Re: [arch-general] kaffeine [sigh] is there an alternative that:...
On 30-03-10 08:46, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: [...] Could somebody recommend another media player I could try that will let me create temporary music lists on the fly by typing the path to a parent dir containing multiple music directories??? One that understands keyboard commands for it's functions??? That is exactly what i'm using mp3blaster for. It's a nice, quick, intuitive player which lets you point to a top-level directory and then add all files (recursively) below that, but also allows to use the subdirectories as groups. see: http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/ It's available in extra, btw. mvg, Guus
Re: [arch-general] kaffeine [sigh] is there an alternative that:...
It would appear that on Mar 31, Guilherme M. Nogueira did say:
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
jtw...@ttlc.netwrote:
[ ... ]
99% of the time what I want is to just play the whole list in random order
with an easy hot key to skip any I decide, upon hearing, that I'm not in
the
mood for.
That is exactly what I do, with a collection of about 10.000 songs.
I use MPD and ncmpcpp frontend, which is great.
with ncmpcpp you just go with TAB to change from playlist to browser and
vice-versa
and press SPACE to add a directory and all its subdirs to the playlist.
So, if you have a top directory where all your mp3s are stored (like I do),
you would
just go to browser and press SPACE on this top dir, and you have the
playlist with
all your songs.
Press 'z' to turn random on and off. User up and down arrow keys or pgup
pgdown
to navigate the playlist, and ENTER to play a song.
Well the MPD/ncmpcpp combo might work for me. But I liked the default
keybindings attributed to MOC. Then I found out it's browser is very much
like mc... So I decided to try MOC first. {errr make that mocp}
So far MOC works for me... I was able to get it from the official
repositories of all 4 of my installed linux distros. But if it acts up
I'll look into MPD/ncmpcpp...
It would appear that on Mar 31, Linas did say:
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
Actually though *_IF_* the $PLAYER doesn't choke on the lines representing
each
directory itself being included with the list of the music files within it,
so that
I don't have to edit the resulting .m3u file. -snip-
find -type f :)
You may want a script to automatically update the list, run it manually
or from cron, add -name constraints for some file types...
I just wanted to remind you that you can use it. Advanced options are an
exercise for the reader :)
Thank you for that Linas, that works great. Once I figured out that it
was actually find $path -type f that is... ;-)
You have basically rescued kaffeine for me. Thanks! Though, depending on my
mood, I'm starting to like MOC
It would appear that on Mar 30, David C. Rankin did say:
You know, it just really makes your wonder -- What were they thinking?? That
combined with all the basic operations that now require ctrl+alt+shift+F11
what
used to be a simple mouse-click, has completely reinvented finger twister.
I don't know what they were thinking. But it sure wasn't how to keep me
using it... KDE4 forced such a change in user methods. (Felt like a Resistance
is futile. You have no choice. You WILL use your PC OUR way. mind set) Any
way it reminded me of why I left Microsoft behind.
But I can't quite agree with the complaint you listed. KDE (even KDE4) lets
you change most keybindings. So finger twisters are avoidable. And
personally, I'd rather have to:
RighthandCtrl+LefthandAlt+BothShifts+F11 then get stuck HAVING to
click on something. One of the things that bugged me with KDE4 was how
many things I used to be able to do without dusting of the trackball,
that were no longer practical without clicking... Especially the
keyboard shortcut assignment method. With kde3, I didn't need to touch the
mouse at all to assign shortcuts. (unless I wanted to assign a 2nd
shortcut) This just isn't practical with KDE4. So of course, I've kind of
adopted E17 as my new favorite desktop, and their keybinding gui is just
as mouse intensive. (sigh) go figure...
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Re: [arch-general] kaffeine [sigh] is there an alternative that:...
It would appear that on Mar 30, Heiko Baums did say: I don't know if it meets your requirements regarding the playlist, but the best audio player I know is MOC (http://moc.daper.net). It has the best sound quality of every player I know and is controlled by keyboard. You can set a global music directory in its config file and by pressing 'a' it appends the selected file or recursively every music file in the selected directory and its subdirectories to the playlist. Well I suppose if it's easy to add music files recursively to the playlist. AND if it's just as easy to wipe the old contents, it might work for me. Pressing 'h' brings the help screen. That's a nice touch... It would appear that on Mar 30, ludovic coues did say: have you try mpd ? mpc allow you to lod every file from the mpd's music directory with a single commnd like `mpc findadd Title ` No I haven't. But to be honest, While I want keyboard control, I don't really want to deal with remembering a command syntax when I just want to get my music going so I can work to it... It would appear that on Mar 30, Xavier Chantry did say: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: Could somebody recommend another media player I could try that will let me create temporary music lists on the fly by typing the path to a parent dir containing multiple music directories??? I don't know any music player that does not allow that. The Kaffeine from kde4... grin One that understands keyboard commands for it's functions??? And same here. It's probably true that most do have some shortcuts, But they're not always obvious. I must confess to being partial to a keyboard accessible pop-up menu like Kaffeine uses where alt+F opens the file menu. And alt+P lets me at the player commands etc... That way I don't have to memorize the assigned keybindings... Anyway I would suggest you to keep trying audio players until you find one that suits your need. Yeah I guess your right. Of course when one doesn't know the names of very many of them, it can be hard to know what to try... For example here is a list of light one : http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lightweight_Applications#Audio_Players I might have known Arch would have a wiki for this... sheepish grin The console/curses one are made exclusively for keyboard control. That's good to know... It would appear that on Mar 30, Ian-Xue Li did say: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 01:12:15PM +0200, Linas wrote: If your main problem is to create playlists for a recursive music tree, I guess that this would work with pretty much all players: find /path/to/music music-list.m3u $PLAYER music-list.m3u One shortcoming of this way is that you might need a expert shell script to update the lists containing the file, plus that filename handling needs some work with shell scripts. Actually though *_IF_* the $PLAYER doesn't choke on the lines representing each directory itself being included with the list of the music files within it, so that I don't have to edit the resulting .m3u file. Then it looks like updating would be handled by simply letting the command overwrite the old .m3u with the new contents... So I guess it wouldn't require that fancy a shell script. Probably even I could write one... Opon the original issue, I think any music player with databases would suit the original writers need. For example, exaile. I'm more interested in the ability to quickly generate a these are there now playlist than in trying to keep an existing database up to date... As for MOC, I recommend cmus over MOC because it got more decoder over different types files. That might be useful. It would appear that on Mar 30, Xavier Chantry did say: Heh cmus is probably my preferred player now so I ought to defend it. Too complicated, seriously ? The only command I ever need is the initial one to add my music directory : # add files, short for ':add ~/music' :a ~/music After that, all you need is 3 keys : space to expand an artist and view the albums, enter to play what you want, tab to switch between album view and track view if you want a particular track. 99% of the time what I want is to just play the whole list in random order with an easy hot key to skip any I decide, upon hearing, that I'm not in the mood for. By the way, in the main/default mode, you don't see directory, you see artist/albums from tags. That would bug me. tags smags IF I'm looking at album/artist info what I want to see is the durned directory names I filed the music under... I could care less what the original album names were. Everything I want to know IS in the pathnames... And these 5 shortcuts can be useful too : x player-play c player-pause v player-stop C toggle continue s toggle shuffle You
Re: [arch-general] kaffeine [sigh] is there an alternative that:...
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.netwrote: [ ... ] 99% of the time what I want is to just play the whole list in random order with an easy hot key to skip any I decide, upon hearing, that I'm not in the mood for. That is exactly what I do, with a collection of about 10.000 songs. I use MPD and ncmpcpp frontend, which is great. with ncmpcpp you just go with TAB to change from playlist to browser and vice-versa and press SPACE to add a directory and all its subdirs to the playlist. So, if you have a top directory where all your mp3s are stored (like I do), you would just go to browser and press SPACE on this top dir, and you have the playlist with all your songs. Press 'z' to turn random on and off. User up and down arrow keys or pgup pgdown to navigate the playlist, and ENTER to play a song. If you need hotkeys, just use mpc commands. mpc next mpc toggle etc... -- Guilherme M. Nogueira Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke
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Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 01:12:15PM +0200, Linas wrote: If your main problem is to create playlists for a recursive music tree, I guess that this would work with pretty much all players: find /path/to/music music-list.m3u $PLAYER music-list.m3u One shortcoming of this way is that you might need a expert shell script to update the lists containing the file, plus that filename handling needs some work with shell scripts. Actually though *_IF_* the $PLAYER doesn't choke on the lines representing each directory itself being included with the list of the music files within it, so that I don't have to edit the resulting .m3u file. Then it looks like updating would be handled by simply letting the command overwrite the old .m3u with the new contents... So I guess it wouldn't require that fancy a shell script. Probably even I could write one... find -type f :) You may want a script to automatically update the list, run it manually or from cron, add -name constraints for some file types... I just wanted to remind you that you can use it. Advanced options are an exercise for the reader :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:05:30AM -0300, Guilherme M. Nogueira wrote: That is exactly what I do, with a collection of about 10.000 songs. I use MPD and ncmpcpp frontend, which is great. with ncmpcpp you just go with TAB to change from playlist to browser and vice-versa and press SPACE to add a directory and all its subdirs to the playlist. So, if you have a top directory where all your mp3s are stored (like I do), you would just go to browser and press SPACE on this top dir, and you have the playlist with all your songs. I use mpd, and I find most of the frontends useless. You can use mpc search or grep to find the music you want and pipe it to mpc add. So mpc listall | mpc add adds every song in your music directory to the current playlist, or use search/find to filter through what you want. Press 'z' to turn random on and off. User up and down arrow keys or pgup pgdown to navigate the playlist, and ENTER to play a song. If you need hotkeys, just use mpc commands. mpc next mpc toggle etc... I bound alt+v to mpc prev, alt+b to mpc next and alt+g to mpc toggle and alt+p to mpc crop; mpc load $(basename $(ls ~.mpd/playlists/ | dmenu) .m3u); mpc play in my wm. Couldn't be simpler, all I want from my music player is to stay out of my way, and that couldn't be more true for mpd. -- Guilherme M. Nogueira Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke -- Helgi Kristvin Sigurbjarnarson helgikrs (at) gmail (dot) com signature.asc Description: Digital Signature
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2010/3/30 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net I could add and delete files to and from this directory tree and know that the next File-Open URL-PathToMusicDirTree would result in kaffeine playing all of them. At most all I needed to do was to set shuffle and repeat options to enjoy my background music for as long as I wanted it. That is all I ever wanted of a music player... have you try mpd ? mpc allow you to lod every file from the mpd's music directory with a single commnd like `mpc findadd Title ` -- Cordialement, Coues Ludovic 06 148 743 42 -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 01:12:15PM +0200, Linas wrote: If your main problem is to create playlists for a recursive music tree, I guess that this would work with pretty much all players: find /path/to/music music-list.m3u $PLAYER music-list.m3u One shortcoming of this way is that you might need a expert shell script to update the lists containing the file, plus that filename handling needs some work with shell scripts. Opon the original issue, I think any music player with databases would suit the original writers need. For example, exaile. As for MOC, I recommend cmus over MOC because it got more decoder over different types files. Overall, if you don't care any of the above, mpd with any suitable player (I use ncmpcpp) is a must-try combination. ps: xmms2 has similar configuration to mpd, but mpd is definitely more popular. -- 李彥學 (Ian-Xue Li) http://b4283.ath.cx A student.
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Ian-Xue Li da.mi.spi...@gmail.com: Overall, if you don't care any of the above, mpd with any suitable player (I use ncmpcpp) is a must-try combination. Cool, I always thought ncmpc can't be made better. :-) Thanks for that hint! -- Gruß, Johannes http://hehejo.de signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:10:22 +0800 schrieb Ian-Xue Li da.mi.spi...@gmail.com: As for MOC, I recommend cmus over MOC because it got more decoder over different types files. Well, just tried cmus. It's so complicated an unintuitive. If I need to first finish my degree to be able to use a program then there's something wrong with it. If I add a directory to the playlist, there are no tracks listed in the playlist, only the directory, and the tracks are played in random order, there's no progress bar, etc. And to do simple things, you first need to enter complicated vi like commands. I hate vi, btw. And my impression is that the sound quality of MOC is still a bit better. I doubt that one need the other decoders. At least I haven't missed a decoder in MOC. Heiko
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You might try sonata. I've got no idea how good it is because i don't have need for a media player on my laptop but feel free to look it over http://sonata.berlios.de/ Josh On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:10:22 +0800 schrieb Ian-Xue Li da.mi.spi...@gmail.com: As for MOC, I recommend cmus over MOC because it got more decoder over different types files. Well, just tried cmus. It's so complicated an unintuitive. If I need to first finish my degree to be able to use a program then there's something wrong with it. If I add a directory to the playlist, there are no tracks listed in the playlist, only the directory, and the tracks are played in random order, there's no progress bar, etc. And to do simple things, you first need to enter complicated vi like commands. I hate vi, btw. And my impression is that the sound quality of MOC is still a bit better. I doubt that one need the other decoders. At least I haven't missed a decoder in MOC. Heiko
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Personally, I use Goggle Music Manager. It's light weight and and it lets you select the base directory for all you music with a few keystrokes. -- Louis Brazeau Informaticien
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:10:22 +0800 schrieb Ian-Xue Li da.mi.spi...@gmail.com: As for MOC, I recommend cmus over MOC because it got more decoder over different types files. Well, just tried cmus. It's so complicated an unintuitive. If I need to first finish my degree to be able to use a program then there's something wrong with it. If I add a directory to the playlist, there are no tracks listed in the playlist, only the directory, and the tracks are played in random order, there's no progress bar, etc. And to do simple things, you first need to enter complicated vi like commands. I hate vi, btw. And my impression is that the sound quality of MOC is still a bit better. I doubt that one need the other decoders. At least I haven't missed a decoder in MOC. Heh cmus is probably my preferred player now so I ought to defend it. Too complicated, seriously ? The only command I ever need is the initial one to add my music directory : # add files, short for ':add ~/music' :a ~/music After that, all you need is 3 keys : space to expand an artist and view the albums, enter to play what you want, tab to switch between album view and track view if you want a particular track. By the way, in the main/default mode, you don't see directory, you see artist/albums from tags. There are 7 views in cmus. Press keys 1-7 to change active view. Library view (1) And these 5 shortcuts can be useful too : x player-play c player-pause v player-stop C toggle continue s toggle shuffle You cannot pretend you want keyboard controls, and not open the man page to learn the few keys you need :)
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Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:54:48 +0200 schrieb Xavier Chantry chantry.xav...@gmail.com: Heh cmus is probably my preferred player now so I ought to defend it. Too complicated, seriously ? The only command I ever need is the initial one to add my music directory : # add files, short for ':add ~/music' :a ~/music :add command: As I said complicated vi like commands. In MOC you have a file and directory list on the left and a play list on the right side. You just need to move the selection bar with the cursor keys and press a for add to add a file or a directory recursively to the play list. And to remove a song from the playlist you just need to press d for delete. Toggling between the two lists is possible with tab. Btw., I'm not a friend of those libraries. I organize my audio files on my hard disk with directories and subdirectories. One directory for the interpreter and one subdirectory for the album. With those libraries I usually have chaos and have much more problems finding my files, because they don't work correctly and/or the tags are not filled correctly and consistently. After that, all you need is 3 keys : space to expand an artist and view the albums, enter to play what you want, tab to switch between album view and track view if you want a particular track. By the way, in the main/default mode, you don't see directory, you see artist/albums from tags. There are 7 views in cmus. Press keys 1-7 to change active view. Library view (1) And these 5 shortcuts can be useful too : x player-play c player-pause v player-stop C toggle continue s toggle shuffle In MOC: Enter play p pause s stop n next b back S toggle shuffle Somehow much more intuitive, isn't it? You cannot pretend you want keyboard controls, and not open the man page to learn the few keys you need :) I read the man page. But in MOC you just press h to toggle between the player and a quick help about the shortcuts. MOC has a man page, too, but not for the shortcuts. It's more for infos about configuration or using it with lirc. And MOC has a progress bar, shows the file format, the bitrate and some other infos. I don't know if cmus has them, but MOC has themes. Heiko
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Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:03:03 +0200 schrieb ludovic coues cou...@gmail.com: people who doesn't like at all vi(m) will not like this kind of shortcut too I suppose. You're wrong. Shortcuts are much different from those vi commands. For many simple editing tasks you need such complicated :commands in vi. In other editors you can do everything more intuitive with the cursor keys and with simple shortcuts. Heiko
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Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:46:10 -0400 schrieb David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net: I still use audacious. It's definitely able to be highly keyboard drive. Not sure about the add music dir recursively functionality though. This works in audacious, too. Just select a directory and click Add. Audacious has a nice XMMS like interface. But it has a notable poorer sound quality compared to MOC. It's notable at least with a 24/96 audio card and a good amp, speakers or headphones, when listening to FLAC files. Heiko
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On 03/30/2010 01:39 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:46:10 -0400 schrieb David Rosenstrauchdar...@darose.net: I still use audacious. It's definitely able to be highly keyboard drive. Not sure about the add music dir recursively functionality though. This works in audacious, too. Just select a directory and click Add. Audacious has a nice XMMS like interface. But it has a notable poorer sound quality compared to MOC. It's notable at least with a 24/96 audio card and a good amp, speakers or headphones, when listening to FLAC files. Heiko Doesn't really matter to me, as I listen to it with iPod headphones, and only listen to Internet radio with it anyway, which usually has at best 128kbps quality. DR
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:54:48 +0200 schrieb Xavier Chantry chantry.xav...@gmail.com: Heh cmus is probably my preferred player now so I ought to defend it. Too complicated, seriously ? The only command I ever need is the initial one to add my music directory : # add files, short for ':add ~/music' :a ~/music :add command: As I said complicated vi like commands. I did say some people like me only need it once. I put my music only in one directory, I don't think it's so uncommon. In MOC you have a file and directory list on the left and a play list on the right side. You just need to move the selection bar with the cursor keys and press a for add to add a file or a directory recursively to the play list. And to remove a song from the playlist you just need to press d for delete. Toggling between the two lists is possible with tab. Btw., I'm not a friend of those libraries. I organize my audio files on my hard disk with directories and subdirectories. One directory for the interpreter and one subdirectory for the album. With those libraries I usually have chaos and have much more problems finding my files, because they don't work correctly and/or the tags are not filled correctly and consistently. http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ After that, all you need is 3 keys : space to expand an artist and view the albums, enter to play what you want, tab to switch between album view and track view if you want a particular track. By the way, in the main/default mode, you don't see directory, you see artist/albums from tags. There are 7 views in cmus. Press keys 1-7 to change active view. Library view (1) And these 5 shortcuts can be useful too : x player-play c player-pause v player-stop C toggle continue s toggle shuffle In MOC: Enter play p pause s stop n next b back S toggle shuffle Somehow much more intuitive, isn't it? Maybe you should look up where z x c v b are in a qwerty layout and what they do, and it will suddenly looks more intuitive and practical. If you're not on qwerty, you can rebind them. You cannot pretend you want keyboard controls, and not open the man page to learn the few keys you need :) I read the man page. But in MOC you just press h to toggle between the player and a quick help about the shortcuts. MOC has a man page, too, but not for the shortcuts. It's more for infos about configuration or using it with lirc. Settings view (7) Lists keybindings, unbound commands and options. Remove bindings with D or del, change bindings and variables with enter and toggle variables with space. And MOC has a progress bar, shows the file format, the bitrate and some other infos. I have no need for a progress bar, this is enough for me, both more informative and shorter : 00:07 / 03:14 I don't know if it can display file format and bitrate, I don't care much and I have other ways to find this information the rare times I need it. I don't know if cmus has them, but MOC has themes. It has themes too. I have nothing against MOC, I like it too, just wanted to clarify a few things about cmus in case some people want to give it a try. No big deal, really.
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On Tue 30 Mar 2010 19:26 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: schrieb Xavier Chantry chantry.xav...@gmail.com: Heh cmus is probably my preferred player now so I ought to defend it. Too complicated, seriously ? The only command I ever need is the initial one to add my music directory : # add files, short for ':add ~/music' :a ~/music :add command: As I said complicated vi like commands. I don't know what planet you come from, but that seems pretty simple and straightforward to my inferior human brain.
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Am Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:10:05 -0400 schrieb Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com: On Tue 30 Mar 2010 19:26 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: schrieb Xavier Chantry chantry.xav...@gmail.com: Heh cmus is probably my preferred player now so I ought to defend it. Too complicated, seriously ? The only command I ever need is the initial one to add my music directory : # add files, short for ':add ~/music' :a ~/music :add command: As I said complicated vi like commands. I don't know what planet you come from, but that seems pretty simple and straightforward to my inferior human brain. This single command may be not that hard to remember. But this is not the only command, and just selecting a file with the cursor keys and pressing the shortcut 'a' is much easier and more intuitive than first enter a command ':add' and then enter the complete path manually. The file name completion in cmus doesn't work correctly, btw. And it's not only these commands, but also these shortcuts. From Xavier: Maybe you should look up where z x c v b are in a qwerty layout and what they do, and it will suddenly looks more intuitive and practical. If you're not on qwerty, you can rebind them. This is also not intuitive, because this rebinding works only on qwerty, but not on qwertz keyboards. And this way I have to remember which block of keys are for controlling (zxcvb,xcvbn, asdfg or whatever), and in which order the controls are bound to this block of keys (is it play, stop, next, back, shuffle or stop, back, play, next, shuffle or whatever). 'Enter' for play, 's' for stop, 'p' pause, etc. works with every keyboard with latin characters and you just need to know, what you want to do, and don't need to combine it with some other theories or so called mnemonics. So it's more intuitive. It's not, that one can't remember the other shortcuts, but the question here is, what's easier to remember and to use and what's more intuitive. And I prefer MOC's controls a lot. And pressing the shortcut 'Q' as in MOC is easier, faster and more common as entering the command ':quit' to quit the program. As I said, I don't like - in fact I hate - vi, because it's anything but intuitive and user-friendly. Nevertheless this is not the bugtracker for cmus upstream, and everyone should use, what he wants. Heiko
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On 03/30/2010 01:46 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Since kde4 I've learned that I really need to build a playlist by repetitively using File-Open URL- NonRecursiveDir until I've added each and every subdir of PathToMusicDirTree one at a time. Worse, I need to rebuild the playlist file every time I want to add or remove music from my files... You know, it just really makes your wonder -- What were they thinking?? That combined with all the basic operations that now require ctrl+alt+shift+F11 what used to be a simple mouse-click, has completely reinvented finger twister. I rarely listen to any music on a computer, but on the occasions I have, I haven't had any problems with xmms2. I don't know what its loading capabilities are, but if I could use it -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
