Re: about translating certain words

[pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)]

Ralf Mardorf  writes:
> On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 13:45 +0100, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
>> When I translate to German, I do prefer German words, when
>> there’s no good argument against it.
> that's good practise! OTOH a good arguments against a translation are
> "in Bangla, most people say", "not in real life".

Hello.  Let’s say, if terminology not easily understood, then English is
better.  What people say does not immediately matter IMHO.

> If foo e.g. calls it "panel" then a Wiki related to
> foo shouldn't name it "taskbar", even if a lot of people might use the
> term "taskbar".

Agreed.

Regards,
Florian

Re: about translating certain words

[zoorat]

hi,
thanks for the mail.

On 11/19/23 21:10, ag-sig99 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> First of all, I am happy to see someone having an idea to translate
> Archwiki into Bangla.
> 
> I would suggest it to be translated into casual Bangla since chaste
> Bangla is something that most won't even understand and some common
> terminology might not be even properly translated to convey the required
> information. I believe that using DeepL or any machine translator would
> be a bad idea since it doesn't work well with Indic languages.
> 
> Have a nice day! (:
> 
> Thanking you all,
> 
> ag.
> 
> On 11/18/23 17:29, zoorat wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> I was planning to translate AURweb and archwiki into Bangla.

this is exactly why I initially sent this email.

after exchanging all those emails,
I have concluded that I will prioritize the use of formal Bangla, but 
for technical terms, I will adopt the commonly used words.
the Bangla Academy's handling of technical terms is ineffective and, at 
best, confusing. they just straight up explain the words in the 
dictionary most of the time rather than giving a single word.

and most probably, I will not be using any tools.
maybe some google translate because it at least somewhat works...

have a nice day.

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Re: about translating certain words

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 13:45 +0100, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> When I translate to German, I do prefer German words, when
> there’s no good argument against it.

Hi,

that's good practise! OTOH a good arguments against a translation are
"in Bangla, most people say", "not in real life".

> The terminology of Debian’s or GNOME’s or other translations is also
> relevant.

This IMO is a really important advice, already when not translating into
different languages. If foo e.g. calls it "panel" then a Wiki related to
foo shouldn't name it "taskbar", even if a lot of people might use the
term "taskbar".

Regards,
Ralf

Re: about translating certain words

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 13:34 +, zoorat wrote:
> sorry, but I failed to find Debian's or genome's Bangla documentation or
> things like that.

Hi,

in this case, it might make sense to see if there are already common
translations for comparable "things" on other operating systems,
Android, Windows, iOS, etc.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: about translating certain words

[Lone_Wolf]

On 18-11-2023 18:36, zoorat wrote:

In general, try to convey the information in a way useful to Bengali
readers.  Do *not necessarily* translate literally, like machine
translations would.

thanks a lot.
i will try my best.



Hi, https://translatewiki.net/ appears to have a bangla team, see 
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Bn



Lone_Wolf

Re: about translating certain words

[zoorat]

> In general, try to convey the information in a way useful to Bengali
> readers.  Do *not necessarily* translate literally, like machine
> translations would.

thanks a lot.
i will try my best.

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Re: about translating certain words

[pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)]

Hello zoorat.

zoorat  writes:
> I have the official dictionary from Bangla Academy, I will use it then.
> at first, I didn't even think about them because they don't have the
> best reputation... whatever
> I will try to be as formal as the schoolbooks. as far as I know, those
> are vetted by Bangla Academy.

Good.  This is the right course of action.

>  > The terminology of Debian’s or
>  > GNOME’s or other translations is also relevant.
>
> sorry, but I failed to find Debian's or genome's Bangla documentation or
> things like that. the best Bangla docs I can find is the wikipedia.
>
>  > I do not find a Bangla
>  > team on  though.
>
> sorry, I have no clue about that.
> I'm new to translating...

I intended to suggest to take inspiration from other Bangla translations
of free, open-source software.  It is sad however that from what you
say, it appears there are none/few.  translationproject.org should have
a Bangla team but there is none.

In general, try to convey the information in a way useful to Bengali
readers.  Do *not necessarily* translate literally, like machine
translations would.

Best wishes,
Florian

Re: about translating certain words

[zoorat]

hi,

> in this case, it might make sense to see if there are already common
> translations for comparable "things" on other operating systems,
> Android, Windows, iOS, etc.

I will look into those sources.
as far as I remember, they are just bad machine translation. (I mean 
even grammar doesn't make any sense).
Only Android had somewhat of an usable translation... but no one uses 
those...

even tho, Bengali is the seventh most spoken language,
online, it's only limited to facebook, youtube, and some news sites...

I will try to find as much as possible about translating to Bangla, then 
make up my mind about how to translate.

thanks a lot and have a nice day.

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Re: about translating certain words

[zoorat]

hi,
thanks a lot for the answer.

 > Hello zoorat, I suggest to follow authorities like the Académie
 > Française.  Wikipedia claims Bangla has a Bangla Academy.  What would
 > they say?

I have the official dictionary from Bangla Academy, I will use it then.
at first, I didn't even think about them because they don't have the
best reputation... whatever
I will try to be as formal as the schoolbooks. as far as I know, those
are vetted by Bangla Academy.

 > When I translate to German, I do prefer German words, when
 > there’s no good argument against it.  The terminology of Debian’s or
 > GNOME’s or other translations is also relevant.

sorry, but I failed to find Debian's or genome's Bangla documentation or
things like that. the best Bangla docs I can find is the wikipedia.

 > I do not find a Bangla
 > team on  though.

sorry, I have no clue about that.
I'm new to translating...

have a nice day.
and if you can, please give me some advice.

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Re: about translating certain words

[pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)]

Hello zoorat, I suggest to follow authorities like the Académie
Française.  Wikipedia claims Bangla has a Bangla Academy.  What would
they say?  When I translate to German, I do prefer German words, when
there’s no good argument against it.  The terminology of Debian’s or
GNOME’s or other translations is also relevant.  I do not find a Bangla
team on  though.

Regards,
Florian