RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration
But they would only have their life span shortened considerably if they emigrated earlier rather than later in life. The 70 year old from the Congo will have his life expectancy increased much less by coming to the US than would say an infant (who would enjoy a lifetime of preventative care). Lynn -Original Message- From: Bahizi_P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration Country of destination would be the answer. Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration
At some point there must be a cross-over point. If I live in Third Worldzania for 60 years, exposed to Typhus, Typhoid, Dengue Fever, malaria, Plague, TB, and have been mal-nourished, THEN I move to the US I doubt my life expectancy, AS COMPARED TO AMERICANS, will be all that great, whereas if my parents bring me to the US when I'm 2 then my life expectancy really ought to be that of the average American of my socio-economic class. -Original Message- From: Gray, Lynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:28 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration But they would only have their life span shortened considerably if they emigrated earlier rather than later in life. The 70 year old from the Congo will have his life expectancy increased much less by coming to the US than would say an infant (who would enjoy a lifetime of preventative care). Lynn -Original Message- From: Bahizi_P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration Country of destination would be the answer. Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
Walt, I visited some weapons plants in the 1970'. Since then I've had foot problems and lately haven't felt as alert as I did in those days.. Can I get in on the compensation? Rodney Weiher Warnick, Walter wrote: Even with data, the analysis will be confounded by immigrants' self-selection. Is it reasonable to expect that the life expectancy of immigrants is representative of the population of the country they are leaving? Or, instead, might they be a healthier (or unhealthier) subset of that population? Data that show that immigrants live longer, on average, than the population they left behind might be little related to the life expectancy of the receiving country. The Department of Energy has long faced a closely related problem. Former employees at weapons plants contend that their health was impaired by hazards of their working environment. They demand compensation. It is incontrovertible, however, that, on average, their health is superior to that of the general population. So, are we to conclude that a little radiation is good for health (hormesis); are we to conclude that whatever the adverse effect on health might have been, it was small; or are we to conclude that the original selection for employment required that the applicants meet threshhold conditions of healthiness, so that comparisons with the general population are confounded? Grappling with this issue, the Clinton Administration determined to award $100,000 to former employees of the weapons plants. Walt Warnick -Original Message- From: Bryan D Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 6:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration Bahizi_P wrote: Country of destination would be the answer. Not to be critical, but do you have any data, or is this just your best guess? Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace* -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who are they? Why are they running? Could they be coming to me? Really coming to me? And why? To kill me? *Me* whom everyone loves? Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
You can find lots of data on life-expectancy and health broken down by age, race, hispanic origin and much else at tbe National Center for Health Statistics http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/about.htm after a quick search, however, I couldn't find anything on country of birth, let alone age of immigration per se. Alex -- Dr. Alexander Tabarrok Vice President and Director of Research The Independent Institute 100 Swan Way Oakland, CA, 94621-1428 Tel. 510-632-1366, FAX: 510-568-6040 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
At some point there must be a cross-over point. If I live in Third Worldzania for 60 years, exposed to Typhus, Typhoid, Dengue Fever, malaria, Plague, TB, and have been mal-nourished, THEN I move to the US I doubt my life expectancy, AS COMPARED TO AMERICANS, will be all that great, whereas if my parents bring me to the US when I'm 2 then my life expectancy really ought to be that of the average American of my socio-economic class. what do you mean ought?? it is an empirical question and there is no reason to suppose that anomalies pop up when the data is looked at. i saw a study recently that makes my point. there was a bad famine in the netherlands that ended in may of 1945. babies born before may had a low probabiliy of being fat. those born 3 months after may, had a very great chance of being fat. The genes are the same, but what happened in the womb affects each of our lives.
RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration
I think you can`t unlink both factors (genes/womb and country) because genetic defects and growth of embryo are partly affected by social and environmental circumstances of the country, carciogenic pollution and food, malnutrition or physical stress of the mother (hard work, etc.). Thatswhy I would suggest, that maximum live expectancy is independant from origin (see Nesse, Williamson: Why We Get Sick : The New Science of Darwinian Medicine)but average life expectancy is primary dependent on country of origin. Greetings from Halle(Germany) Steffen ~~~ Steffen Hentrich Research assistant: Environmental Economics Institute for Economic Research Halle Structural Change Department Kleine Maerkerstrasse 8 D-06108 Halle (Saale) GERMANY Tel.: ++ 49 345 7753 808 Fax: ++ 49 345 7753 820 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iwh-halle.de/d/abteil/stwa/shh/pers.htm -Original Message- From: jim horsman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 3:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- The country is not the determining factor for life expectancy. Some immigrants live like the country of origin and presumably they would have life expectancies similar to said country. Some immigrants live like the host country and should have similar life expectancies. 2 caveats 1- genes matter 2- what happens in the womb is enormously important and must be taken into consideration.
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
Bahizi_P wrote: Country of destination would be the answer. Not to be critical, but do you have any data, or is this just your best guess? Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace* -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who are they? Why are they running? Could they be coming to me? Really coming to me? And why? To kill me? *Me* whom everyone loves? Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Life Expectancy and Immigration
Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration
It would seem to depend on the age of the person at the time of the move. Lynn Gray -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
RE: Life Expectancy and Immigration
Country of destination would be the answer. Life expectancy has a lot to do with access to a myriad of services primary available in developed countries (where life expectancy is greater) such as: -medical services and treatment (Proper diagnosis and so on) -presence (or lack thereof) of highly and deadly contagious diseases -proper nutrition -proper mental health care (anxiety and stress due to environment, i.e. political unrest) Lifespan is also related to: -better information -and overall better quality of life The reverse would also true. A person going from a country with high life expectancy to one with a shorter lifespan and adopting the locals way of life, i.e. exposure to diseases, malnutrition, etc, would have their lifespan considerably shortened. My 2c worth. Pierre Bahizi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Caplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Life Expectancy and Immigration Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
Gray, Lynn wrote: It would seem to depend on the age of the person at the time of the move. Maybe so, maybe not. We can imagine that if a 70-year-old person from Congo shows up in the U.S., they can immediately tap into the wonders of the U.S. medical system, nutrition, etc. Do you know of any data? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was thinking that Prince Andrei was in error and did not see the true light, and that he, Pierre, ought to come to his aid, to enlighten and uplift him. But no sooner had he thought out what he should say and how to say it than he foresaw that Prince Andrei, with one word, a single argument, would discredit all his teachings, and he was afraid to begin, afraid to expose to possible ridicule what he cherished and held sacred. Leo Tolstoy, *War and Peace*
Re: Life Expectancy and Immigration
Life expectancy varies widely between countries. When someone moves to a new country, what best predicts their lifespan? Country of origin? Or country of destination? -- The country is not the determining factor for life expectancy. Some immigrants live like the country of origin and presumably they would have life expectancies similar to said country. Some immigrants live like the host country and should have similar life expectancies. 2 caveats 1- genes matter 2- what happens in the womb is enormously important and must be taken into consideration.
