Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
Ya. I am not saying its a bad track. Its just too ordinary. Such arrangements were seen in the 90s by bands like 2-unlimited, Snap and few more. Later some teen pop bands like Aqua, Abba Teens etc retained the same style with newer sounding patterns and sequence. May be its the scripts requirement or perhaps ( and this is what i think...) that if rahman and his team provided a more advanced arrangement, the masses wont understand it and give a thumbs down. I think this because, the track NaNa from Couple's Retreat was just awesome. The arrangements and feel was truly global. Sounded like bands - inner circle or Bob Marley. anywaysfor now i will stop with Puthiya Manitha and Kilimanjaro.. Remixes I Originals I Opinions at http://www.wiredbeats.com From: arunsoft2k To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 2 August, 2010 9:21:23 AM Subject: Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran wow! nice read wiredbeats. I may have some of remixes from your website!!we need experts pov for Rahman album!something to learn and enjoy! btw..I cudnt get why you call Irumbile oru idhyam or even Fanaa a flat track. I remember shankar saying in the audio launch that he wanted a song for bringing the emotions in the robot. Rahman tried 3 to 4 times and came up with this finally loved by Shankar. as you said, teh flow is being interrupted. I believe thefirst 3 tunes might have satified music lovers but then, it doesnt works that way I guess. I dont know its fair to compare a techno-trance album with Rahman's situational song in endhiran. after repeated listening, Im hooked to this song, it brings a little south music taste in it..."Kaaadhal ahzaikudho"!!. I guess I get what you are saying..Rahman not changing the rhythm, the whole song, knowing Rahman who is the best bringing different moods uin the samme song! I believe there will be a reason for this vision in the oscar winner's mind! ;) "I robo un kadhil I love u sollata" !!! nice. Rahman cud have avoided the keisha like rap in between!! but then it sounds good too! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Amith Chandhran wrote: > > Hi WB, > > Thanks for putting a perfect analysis in simplest way. I agree with most of > your opinions expressed herein. Balanced, and very well put. You should > write more! Perhaps, AR should do more techno-trance albums! ;-) > > - > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM, wiredbeats wrote: > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many > > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > > enthiran. > > > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and > > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access > > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off > > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the > > first track of the CD. > > > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are > > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track > > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards > > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs > > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation > > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so > > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more > > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in > > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall > > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
"Don't mind me. I am frank. I still feel Rahman's best is Dil Se Re from Dil Se. He is yet to repeat that vision." AGREED :D On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM, wiredbeats wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > enthiran. > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the > first track of the CD. > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute > satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the > rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music > producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after the > Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer > of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into the > mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly > brilliant. It feels rich. > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and > uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a > very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be > careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop > so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very > irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to > breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values are > awesome. > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very > sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i > heard it first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level > when Kash n krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so > global and so trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose > lyrics. Not done, this is the weakest track. > > Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile > from Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell > flat in the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. > Its very jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru > idhyam should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry > corsten's latest release called Twice in a Blue moon. I am comparing for a > reasonRahman need not produce flat tracks like this. > > Chitti Dance showcase is playing with toys and super interesting and fun to > listen to.Perhaps even better fun to watch the video. But thats it. > > Rest of the tracks are ok. Good, for a change Yogi B has been used instead > of Blaaze. He is good, but Yogi B gives a good break from Blaaze. > > However, what is satisfing with Enthiran is it 'sounds good' and achives > its purpose. There is no great melody, just the overall feel of the disc is > very positive and one does not go through dips and rises. > > *More than Rahman, i congratulate K.J. Singh and Deepak P.A for setting a > standard of production values. *We have come a long way from the trash > sounding
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
wow! nice read wiredbeats. I may have some of remixes from your website!!we need experts pov for Rahman album!something to learn and enjoy! btw..I cudnt get why you call Irumbile oru idhyam or even Fanaa a flat track. I remember shankar saying in the audio launch that he wanted a song for bringing the emotions in the robot. Rahman tried 3 to 4 times and came up with this finally loved by Shankar. as you said, teh flow is being interrupted. I believe thefirst 3 tunes might have satified music lovers but then, it doesnt works that way I guess. I dont know its fair to compare a techno-trance album with Rahman's situational song in endhiran. after repeated listening, Im hooked to this song, it brings a little south music taste in it..."Kaaadhal ahzaikudho"!!. I guess I get what you are saying..Rahman not changing the rhythm, the whole song, knowing Rahman who is the best bringing different moods uin the samme song! I believe there will be a reason for this vision in the oscar winner's mind! ;) "I robo un kadhil I love u sollata" !!! nice. Rahman cud have avoided the keisha like rap in between!! but then it sounds good too! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Amith Chandhran wrote: > > Hi WB, > > Thanks for putting a perfect analysis in simplest way. I agree with most of > your opinions expressed herein. Balanced, and very well put. You should > write more! Perhaps, AR should do more techno-trance albums! ;-) > > - > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM, wiredbeats wrote: > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many > > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > > enthiran. > > > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and > > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access > > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off > > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the > > first track of the CD. > > > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are > > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track > > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards > > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs > > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation > > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so > > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more > > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in > > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall > > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute > > satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the > > rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music > > producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after the > > Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer > > of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into the > > mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly > > brilliant. It feels rich. > > > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and > > uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a > > very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be > > careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop > > so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very > > irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to > > breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values are > > awesome. > > > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very > > sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i > > heard it first i
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
Hi WB, Thanks for putting a perfect analysis in simplest way. I agree with most of your opinions expressed herein. Balanced, and very well put. You should write more! Perhaps, AR should do more techno-trance albums! ;-) - On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM, wiredbeats wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > enthiran. > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the > first track of the CD. > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute > satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the > rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music > producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after the > Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer > of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into the > mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly > brilliant. It feels rich. > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and > uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a > very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be > careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop > so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very > irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to > breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values are > awesome. > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very > sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i > heard it first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level > when Kash n krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so > global and so trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose > lyrics. Not done, this is the weakest track. > > Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile > from Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell > flat in the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. > Its very jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru > idhyam should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry > corsten's latest release called Twice in a Blue moon. I am comparing for a > reasonRahman need not produce flat tracks like this. > > Chitti Dance showcase is playing with toys and super interesting and fun to > listen to.Perhaps even better fun to watch the video. But thats it. > > Rest of the tracks are ok. Good, for a change Yogi B has been used instead > of Blaaze. He is good, but Yogi B gives a good break from Blaaze. > > However, what is satisfing with Enthiran is it 'sounds good' and achives > its purpose. There is no great melody, just the overall feel of the disc is > very positive and one does not go through dips and rises. > > *More than Rahman, i congratulate K.J. Singh and Deepak P.A
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
I loved fanaa too but respect your view ... From: Pradeepan To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 4:43:48 PM Subject: Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran WiredB, Nice, but I don't completely agree with your view that Rahman hasn't done Trance well.. except Fana, he has never done a completely Trance song.. ATM just had elements of trance in the song. i've loved all his uses so far. Who'd have thought Kannathil Muthamittal last repetition of the pallavi would have it at the end ? On 8/1/10, wiredbeats wrote: >Hello all, > > >I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 >odd >years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many good >reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > >I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on >enthiran. > > >Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole sound >track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and mixing >expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all gizmos and >toys >that today almost all good composers have or can gain access to. It is the >balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off between noise >and >music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the first track of the >CD. > > >I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and >lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few >select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to >name >a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the >production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you >spend >on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always produce >melody, >but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are chosen and placed >with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track sounds awesome. >Rahman >has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards set by such international >artists. However, in the context of film songs such brilliance are >often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation and directors brief. >And >i think striking a balance is very tough given so many strings pulling. If you >remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more free flowing and thats why >Vande >Mataram and his latest god level tracks in Nokia Connections album are talked >about. > > >Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - the >samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall usage of >the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute >satisfaction. >The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the rising and >falling >synths are right there where the best of the music producers operate. I mean >when i heard it for the first time and after the Khatija's lines are over i >felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer of soft kicks with prominent >highs and sort of make the track flow into the mainline. And it happened and >happened so well. This is strikingly brilliant. It feels rich. > > >Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and uses >all >the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a very loud >character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be careful not to >under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop so badly that you >would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very irritating. >Khilimanjaro >is a fairly simple track and has a of space to breath. This makes it very >catchy >and to top it, the production values are awesome. > > >The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very >sad >and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i heard >it >first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level when Kash n >krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so global and so >trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose lyrics. Not done, >this is the weakest track. > > >Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile >from >Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell flat in >the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. Its very >jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru idhyam >should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry corsten's >latest release called Twice in a Blu
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
I always feel kelaamal kaiyyile is one of the under-rated songs of AR.. I love kelaamal kaiyyile especially for the techno rhythm and the ambience.. who else can think of using such rhythm for a melodic number.. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:00 PM, AJ wrote: > > > In my opinion, Pudhiya Manidha is ARR's number one/best trance techno track > ever. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , > Pradeepan wrote: > > > > WiredB, > > Nice, but I don't completely agree with your view that Rahman hasn't done > > Trance well.. > > except Fana, he has never done a completely Trance song.. > > ATM just had elements of trance in the song. i've loved all his uses so > far. > > Who'd have thought Kannathil Muthamittal last repetition of the pallavi > > would have it at the end ? > > > > On 8/1/10, wiredbeats wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the > last 8 > > > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so > many > > > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > > > > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > > > enthiran. > > > > > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the > whole > > > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming > and > > > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > > > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain > access > > > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a > trade-off > > > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in > the > > > first track of the CD. > > > > > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo > and > > > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi > and few > > > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, > Moby to > > > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the > song, the > > > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that > you > > > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > > > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used > are > > > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat > track > > > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the > standards > > > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film > songs > > > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the > song,situation > > > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given > so > > > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes > more > > > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level > tracks in > > > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > > > > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc > - > > > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the > overall > > > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an > absolute > > > satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, > the > > > rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music > > > producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after > the > > > Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a > layer > > > of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into > the > > > mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly > > > brilliant. It feels rich. > > > > > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and > > > uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums > have a > > > very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be > > > careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will > drop > > > so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be > very > > > irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to > > > breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values > are > > > awesome. > > > > > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a > very > > > sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. > When i > > > heard it first i felt the track is going to take off in an another > level > > > when Kash n krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, > so > > > global and so trance. But then the song remained the same with some > loose > > > lyrics. Not done, this is the weakest track. > > > > > > Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal > Kayile > > > from Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and > fell > > > flat in the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
In my opinion, Pudhiya Manidha is ARR's number one/best trance techno track ever. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pradeepan wrote: > > WiredB, > Nice, but I don't completely agree with your view that Rahman hasn't done > Trance well.. > except Fana, he has never done a completely Trance song.. > ATM just had elements of trance in the song. i've loved all his uses so far. > Who'd have thought Kannathil Muthamittal last repetition of the pallavi > would have it at the end ? > > On 8/1/10, wiredbeats wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many > > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > > enthiran. > > > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and > > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access > > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off > > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the > > first track of the CD. > > > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are > > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track > > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards > > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs > > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation > > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so > > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more > > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in > > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall > > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute > > satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the > > rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music > > producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after the > > Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer > > of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into the > > mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly > > brilliant. It feels rich. > > > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and > > uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a > > very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be > > careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop > > so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very > > irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to > > breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values are > > awesome. > > > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very > > sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i > > heard it first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level > > when Kash n krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so > > global and so trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose > > lyrics. Not done, this is the weakest track. > > > > Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile > > from Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell > > flat in the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. > > Its very jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru > > idhyam should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry > > corsten's latest release called Twice in a Blue moon. I am comparing for a > > reasonRahman need not produce flat tracks like this. > > > > Chitti Dance showcase is playing with toys and super interesting and fun to > > listen to.Perhaps even better fun to watch the video. But thats it. > > > > Rest of the tracks are o
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
WiredB, Nice, but I don't completely agree with your view that Rahman hasn't done Trance well.. except Fana, he has never done a completely Trance song.. ATM just had elements of trance in the song. i've loved all his uses so far. Who'd have thought Kannathil Muthamittal last repetition of the pallavi would have it at the end ? On 8/1/10, wiredbeats wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > enthiran. > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the > first track of the CD. > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute > satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the > rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music > producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after the > Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer > of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into the > mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly > brilliant. It feels rich. > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and > uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a > very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be > careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop > so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very > irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to > breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values are > awesome. > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very > sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i > heard it first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level > when Kash n krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so > global and so trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose > lyrics. Not done, this is the weakest track. > > Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile > from Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell > flat in the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. > Its very jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru > idhyam should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry > corsten's latest release called Twice in a Blue moon. I am comparing for a > reasonRahman need not produce flat tracks like this. > > Chitti Dance showcase is playing with toys and super interesting and fun to > listen to.Perhaps even better fun to watch the video. But thats it. > > Rest of the tracks are ok. Good, for a change Yogi B has been used instead > of Blaaze. He is good, but Yogi B gives a good break from Blaaze. > > However, what is satisfing with Enthiran is it 'sounds good' and achives > its purpose. There is no great melody, just the overall feel of the disc is > very positive and one does not go t
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
great review, WB, this helped me notice those minute details. Thank you :) On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM, wiredbeats wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many > good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > enthiran. > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and > mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all > gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access > to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off > between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the > first track of the CD. > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always > produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are > chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track > sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards > set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs > such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation > and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so > many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more > free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in > Nokia Connections album are talked about. > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall > usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute > satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the > rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music > producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after the > Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer > of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into the > mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly > brilliant. It feels rich. > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and > uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a > very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be > careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop > so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very > irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to > breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values are > awesome. > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very > sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i > heard it first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level > when Kash n krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so > global and so trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose > lyrics. Not done, this is the weakest track. > > Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile > from Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell > flat in the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. > Its very jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru > idhyam should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry > corsten's latest release called Twice in a Blue moon. I am comparing for a > reasonRahman need not produce flat tracks like this. > > Chitti Dance showcase is playing with toys and super interesting and fun to > listen to.Perhaps even better fun to watch the video. But thats it. > > Rest of the tracks are ok. Good, for a change Yogi B has been used instead > of Blaaze. He is good, but Yogi B gives a good break from Blaaze. > > However, what is satisfing with Enthiran is it 'sounds good' and achives > its purpose. There is no great melody, just the overall feel of the disc is > very positive and one does not go through dips and rises. > > *More than Rahman, i congratulate K.J. Singh and Deepak P.A for setting a > standard of production values. *We have come a long way from the trash > sounding BLUE to some awesome sounding VTV, Puli and Enthir
Re: [arr] My notes on enthiran
You are simply awesome bro... Kudos.. loved it On 8/1/10, wiredbeats wrote: > Hello all, > > I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 > odd > years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many good > reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. > > I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on > enthiran. > > Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole > sound > track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and mixing > expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all gizmos and > toys > that today almost all good composers have or can gain access to. It is the > balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off between noise > and > music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the first track of the > CD. > > I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and > lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few > select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to > name > a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the > production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you > spend > on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always produce > melody, > but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are chosen and > placed > with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track sounds awesome. > Rahman > has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards set by such international > artists. However, in the context of film songs such brilliance are > often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation and directors brief. > And > i think striking a balance is very tough given so many strings pulling. If > you > remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more free flowing and thats why > Vande > Mataram and his latest god level tracks in Nokia Connections album are > talked > about. > > Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - > the > samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall usage > of > the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute > satisfaction. > The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the rising and > falling > synths are right there where the best of the music producers operate. I mean > when i heard it for the first time and after the Khatija's lines are over i > felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer of soft kicks with > prominent > highs and sort of make the track flow into the mainline. And it happened and > happened so well. This is strikingly brilliant. It feels rich. > > Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and uses > all > the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a very loud > character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be careful not to > under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop so badly that > you > would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very irritating. > Khilimanjaro > is a fairly simple track and has a of space to breath. This makes it very > catchy > and to top it, the production values are awesome. > > The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very > sad > and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i > heard it > first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level when Kash n > krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so global and so > trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose lyrics. Not > done, > this is the weakest track. > > Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile > from > Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell flat > in > the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. Its very > jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru idhyam > should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry corsten's > latest release called Twice in a Blue moon. I am comparing for a > reasonRahman need not produce flat tracks like this. > > Chitti Dance showcase is playing with toys and super interesting and fun to > listen to.Perhaps even better fun to watch the video. But thats it. > > Rest of the tracks are ok. Good, for a change Yogi B has been used instead > of > Blaaze. He is good, but Yogi B gives a good break from Blaaze. > > However, what is satisfing with Enthiran is it 'sounds good' and achives its > purpose. There is no great melody, just the overall feel of the disc is very > positive and one does not go through dips and rises. > > More than Rahman, i congratulate K.J. Singh and Deepak P.A for setting a > standard of production values. We have come a long way from the trash > sounding > BLUE to some awesome sounding VTV, Puli and Enthiran.
[arr] My notes on enthiran
Hello all, I have not written a review of any album so far in this group in the last 8 odd years of being around. I think its been that long...what with so many good reviewers around such as Chord etc, we are well balanced. I just thought this time i would attempt to sort of share some notes on enthiran. Enthiran did not require any brilliance in actual composition, the whole sound track needed lot of energy and some out of the world programming and mixing expertise. The concept of the sound track of enthiran suits all gizmos and toys that today almost all good composers have or can gain access to. It is the balance of what to use, how much to use to strike a trade-off between noise and music. This trade-off is seen in its absolute best in the first track of the CD. I am great fan of electronica - house, techno, beach house,down tempo and lounge music produced by lables such as Ministry of sound, Hed Kandi and few select DJ/programmers such as Armin Van Burren, Ferry Corsten, ATB, Moby to name a few. What these guys ensure is that the overall feel of the song, the production values are so damn rich that you feel that extra cash that you spend on your expensive CD system is well spent. They many not always produce melody, but the rhythm, the bass, the ambient pads, synths used are chosen and placed with such perfection that a rather simple 4x4 beat track sounds awesome. Rahman has a team that achieves and exceeds the standards set by such international artists. However, in the context of film songs such brilliance are often interrupted by the demands of the song,situation and directors brief. And i think striking a balance is very tough given so many strings pulling. If you remove the strings, Rahman's music becomes more free flowing and thats why Vande Mataram and his latest god level tracks in Nokia Connections album are talked about. Now, if you listen to puthiya manitha, the first track in enthiran disc - the samples used, the structuring of the song, the reverb and the overall usage of the stereo soundscape has come out so well that it is an absolute satisfaction. The dept of the kick (beat), the open and closed HiHats, the rising and falling synths are right there where the best of the music producers operate. I mean when i heard it for the first time and after the Khatija's lines are over i felt ..It would be great if he introduces a layer of soft kicks with prominent highs and sort of make the track flow into the mainline. And it happened and happened so well. This is strikingly brilliant. It feels rich. Same is the case with Khilimanjaro track. The taiko drums sink deep and uses all the stereo landscape such an instrument needs. Taiko drums have a very loud character to it. Once you introduce it in a song, you must be careful not to under utilise it because energy levels in the song will drop so badly that you would start to loose interest. Over usage would be very irritating. Khilimanjaro is a fairly simple track and has a of space to breath. This makes it very catchy and to top it, the production values are awesome. The problem comes in the other track - Irumbile oru idhayam. This is a very sad and average track. It seems to be put in a hurry. Very ordinary. When i heard it first i felt the track is going to take off in an another level when Kash n krisshy start their lines, those vocals sounded so classy, so global and so trance. But then the song remained the same with some loose lyrics. Not done, this is the weakest track. Infact, Trance has never been Rahman's forte. That track - Kellamal Kayile from Azhagiya Tamil Magan was very sad too. It had a template beat and fell flat in the first 60 second. Infact, i don't like Fanaa from Yuva either. Its very jarring. Going by the standard set in Puthiya manitha, irumbile oru idhyam should have sounded something like 9PM by ATB or check out Ferry corsten's latest release called Twice in a Blue moon. I am comparing for a reasonRahman need not produce flat tracks like this. Chitti Dance showcase is playing with toys and super interesting and fun to listen to.Perhaps even better fun to watch the video. But thats it. Rest of the tracks are ok. Good, for a change Yogi B has been used instead of Blaaze. He is good, but Yogi B gives a good break from Blaaze. However, what is satisfing with Enthiran is it 'sounds good' and achives its purpose. There is no great melody, just the overall feel of the disc is very positive and one does not go through dips and rises. More than Rahman, i congratulate K.J. Singh and Deepak P.A for setting a standard of production values. We have come a long way from the trash sounding BLUE to some awesome sounding VTV, Puli and Enthiran. Skipping Raavan(an)...i don't know whats wrong what that album...i have forgotten it! And belive me guys when i say this...Enthiran NEEDS and CD. You loose the maximum when you convert in MP3. The loss is noticab
