Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
Nope.. as far as I can make out.. it is O Ya sa .. Ma Ya sa .. Gomz, your ear's alright ;-) On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Gomzy™ wrote: > > > Okay guys help me here. The first two lines(lyrics) > *Khoya sa, paya sa * > Does anyone hear them as above? > I hear them as > *Oh Ya sa, Maya sa *. > Anyone? > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, rivjot wrote: > >> >> >> Indeed! Rahman uses them quite often and it works like magic for me. >> few of the songs are based just on these 'dummy words' .. like O Saya, >> Azeem O Shaan to some extent >> >> >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , >> "ichord" wrote: >> > >> > It's not the fact that he uses them, it's the way he uses them. >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , V >> S Rawat wrote: >> > > >> > > On 9/12/2009 3:18 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: >> > > >> > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can >> see how AR is a fan of these sounds!!! >> > > > >> > > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as >> if he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really >> unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar >> Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" >> He's just amazing! >> > > > >> > > >> > > There have been innumerable MDs who used and songs that have "nonsense >> >> > > syllables and words". There is even a term for it "dummy words". C >> > > Ramchandra's several songs of 50s having dummy words. Radio Ceylon >> even >> > > had a full program at one time in 70s (I think) in which they played >> > > only the songs having dummy words. >> > > >> > > With such a history, why is using these in a song becomes "really >> unique >> > > and special about him (ARR)"? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Rawat >> > > >> > >> >> > >
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
maybe because i saw the lyrics and knew it was khoya sa and i am looking for khoya sa it sounds like khoya sa to me. but its definitely not paya sa which i am hearing. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Gomzy™ wrote: > > > Okay guys help me here. The first two lines(lyrics) > *Khoya sa, paya sa * > Does anyone hear them as above? > I hear them as > *Oh Ya sa, Maya sa *. > Anyone? > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, rivjot wrote: > >> >> >> Indeed! Rahman uses them quite often and it works like magic for me. >> few of the songs are based just on these 'dummy words' .. like O Saya, >> Azeem O Shaan to some extent >> >> >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , >> "ichord" wrote: >> > >> > It's not the fact that he uses them, it's the way he uses them. >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , V >> S Rawat wrote: >> > > >> > > On 9/12/2009 3:18 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: >> > > >> > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can >> see how AR is a fan of these sounds!!! >> > > > >> > > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as >> if he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really >> unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar >> Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" >> He's just amazing! >> > > > >> > > >> > > There have been innumerable MDs who used and songs that have "nonsense >> >> > > syllables and words". There is even a term for it "dummy words". C >> > > Ramchandra's several songs of 50s having dummy words. Radio Ceylon >> even >> > > had a full program at one time in 70s (I think) in which they played >> > > only the songs having dummy words. >> > > >> > > With such a history, why is using these in a song becomes "really >> unique >> > > and special about him (ARR)"? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Rawat >> > > >> > >> >> > > -- Wit beyond measure is mans greatest treasure
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
Okay guys help me here. The first two lines(lyrics) *Khoya sa, paya sa * Does anyone hear them as above? I hear them as *Oh Ya sa, Maya sa *. Anyone? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, rivjot wrote: > > > Indeed! Rahman uses them quite often and it works like magic for me. > few of the songs are based just on these 'dummy words' .. like O Saya, > Azeem O Shaan to some extent > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , > "ichord" wrote: > > > > It's not the fact that he uses them, it's the way he uses them. > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , V > S Rawat wrote: > > > > > > On 9/12/2009 3:18 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > > > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can > see how AR is a fan of these sounds!!! > > > > > > > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as > if he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar > Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" > He's just amazing! > > > > > > > > > > There have been innumerable MDs who used and songs that have "nonsense > > > syllables and words". There is even a term for it "dummy words". C > > > Ramchandra's several songs of 50s having dummy words. Radio Ceylon even > > > > had a full program at one time in 70s (I think) in which they played > > > only the songs having dummy words. > > > > > > With such a history, why is using these in a song becomes "really > unique > > > and special about him (ARR)"? > > > > > > -- > > > Rawat > > > > > > > >
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
On 9/12/2009 10:37 PM India Time, _rivjot_ wrote: > Indeed! Rahman uses them quite often and it works like magic for me. > few of the songs are based just on these 'dummy words' .. like O Saya, Azeem > O Shaan to some extent Just curious. What were the dummy words in Azeem O Shaan that you are refering to? that Dim tom tana nana... or that ta ra ra ta re re or that chhan chhan. I always thought that all these are classical touch or just hummings, but not dummy words. For that matter, in Takshak there was an entire song that had this dim tara nana sort of thinggy. Dummy words are different, more like mastam, rushtam, shushtam, that just gets put there and don't exist in the language. Other things like "Azeem O Shaan", "Furwa rawa", "marhaba", "Jalaludin", etc. these are full fledged words of urdu/ persian/ arabic languages. They have real meanings, translations, they are widely used. These are not dummy words. -- Rawat > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "ichord" wrote: >> It's not the fact that he uses them, it's the way he uses them. >> >> >> >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat wrote: >>> On 9/12/2009 3:18 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: >>> First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see how AR is a fan of these sounds!!! I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" He's just amazing! >>> There have been innumerable MDs who used and songs that have "nonsense >>> syllables and words". There is even a term for it "dummy words". C >>> Ramchandra's several songs of 50s having dummy words. Radio Ceylon even >>> had a full program at one time in 70s (I think) in which they played >>> only the songs having dummy words. >>> >>> With such a history, why is using these in a song becomes "really unique >>> and special about him (ARR)"? >>> >>> -- >>> Rawat
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
Indeed! Rahman uses them quite often and it works like magic for me. few of the songs are based just on these 'dummy words' .. like O Saya, Azeem O Shaan to some extent --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "ichord" wrote: > > It's not the fact that he uses them, it's the way he uses them. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat wrote: > > > > On 9/12/2009 3:18 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see > > > how AR is a fan of these sounds!!! > > > > > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if > > > he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really > > > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar > > > Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen > > > teena" He's just amazing! > > > > > > > There have been innumerable MDs who used and songs that have "nonsense > > syllables and words". There is even a term for it "dummy words". C > > Ramchandra's several songs of 50s having dummy words. Radio Ceylon even > > had a full program at one time in 70s (I think) in which they played > > only the songs having dummy words. > > > > With such a history, why is using these in a song becomes "really unique > > and special about him (ARR)"? > > > > -- > > Rawat > > >
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
On 9/12/2009 2:10 PM India Time, _aristocratic bureaucrat_ wrote: > yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics > booklet, the song goes� > > khoya sa, paya sa, > saaya sa, soya saa..� O my God. that makes perfect sense. It also proves that whatever some members here are equating music with mathematics, lyrics surely are not mathematics. Two independent words or syllables when written together give an altogether different meaning. And the above reinforces my petty (some find it not "petty") peeve about our man roughshodding lyrics to let the music have its way. The above 4 pairs of two words each now sound so beautiful, so meaningful, so well written, so simple yet ocean-deep, that it was unjustified that ARR used them so that none of we could understand a single of them all the while we all have been listening to it 24x7. I think some might still find it wordsmithing - just putting the rhyming words together, but the way I look into lyrics, I am feeling that the above is much better than entire guzarish forced rhyming, though second line pairs in the above could have been slightly more related. For those of us who are not much into hindi, here is the translation: khoya sa - somewhat lost paya sa - somewhat like having gained something saaya sa - somewhat shadowey soya saa - somewhat sleepy Thanks a gig, dear aristocratic bureaucrat, for sharing this with us. You made by day by highlighting the deeper meaning. -- Rawat
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
On 9/12/2009 4:32 PM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > It's not the fact that he uses them, it's the way he uses them. > In this particular case, ARR's music converted perfectly meaningful words sound like dummy words. -- It reminds me of my earlier confusion about "Pachpan (55) Rang de, Chaupan (54) Rang De" (RDB) when the learned members had clarified that it was "Bachpan (childhood) Rang de, Yauvan (adulthood) Rang De" which made perfect sense. Thanks to this group for providing so useful inputs that makes me like our man's music much more. I feel sad that millions of ARR fans who are not getting such inputs from this group or elsewhere would be missing the beauty of ARR's songs by not getting the lyrics correctly. -- Rawat
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
I stand corrected! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, aristocratic bureaucrat wrote: > > yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics booklet, > the song goes > > khoya sa, paya sa, > saaya sa, soya saa.. > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, ichord wrote: > > > > > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see how > > AR is a fan of these sounds!!! > > > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if > > he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really > > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar > > Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" > > He's just amazing! > > > > > > > > > > -- > Wit beyond measure is mans greatest treasure >
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
yeah. i love the usage of such words. but according to the lyrics booklet, the song goes khoya sa, paya sa, saaya sa, soya saa.. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, ichord wrote: > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see how > AR is a fan of these sounds!!! > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if > he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar > Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" > He's just amazing! > > > -- Wit beyond measure is mans greatest treasure
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
It's not the fact that he uses them, it's the way he uses them. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat wrote: > > On 9/12/2009 3:18 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see > > how AR is a fan of these sounds!!! > > > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if > > he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really > > unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar > > Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen > > teena" He's just amazing! > > > > There have been innumerable MDs who used and songs that have "nonsense > syllables and words". There is even a term for it "dummy words". C > Ramchandra's several songs of 50s having dummy words. Radio Ceylon even > had a full program at one time in 70s (I think) in which they played > only the songs having dummy words. > > With such a history, why is using these in a song becomes "really unique > and special about him (ARR)"? > > -- > Rawat >
Re: [arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
On 9/12/2009 3:18 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see how > AR is a fan of these sounds!!! > > I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if he's > adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really unique > and special about him! Notice in Yaar Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and > then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" He's just amazing! > There have been innumerable MDs who used and songs that have "nonsense syllables and words". There is even a term for it "dummy words". C Ramchandra's several songs of 50s having dummy words. Radio Ceylon even had a full program at one time in 70s (I think) in which they played only the songs having dummy words. With such a history, why is using these in a song becomes "really unique and special about him (ARR)"? -- Rawat
[arr] Rahman a fan of "Ya" and "Sa"?
First there was "O Saya" from SDM, and now "O Ya Sa" from Blue. Can see how AR is a fan of these sounds!!! I love how AR uses nonsense syllables and words in a song, almost as if he's adding another instrument track through the vocals. That is really unique and special about him! Notice in Yaar Mila..."kudikudikudikudikudiya!" and then "atha atheena a theen theen teena" He's just amazing!
