Re: [arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-10 Thread Thulasi Ram 
so guys all due respect to the great IR, - YES please
but does arr really need to credit him? - NO

On 9/10/07, sri ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   arr was first introduced to mani by suhasini maniratnam,mani's 
> wife.thenmani discussed roja with arr and asked him to do an album as an
> audition.arr sent mani the album of roja to delhi within maybe one day and
> mani was so impressed he roped in arr.we all know mani worked with IR
> until dalapathy after which he had a tiff.
> the point i'm making is, had mani known arr as an assosciate of IR,how
> does he hear about arr through his wife?arr worked with IR as a keyboard
> player while still a child and later went on to work with many other
> people.he was not assosciated with IR for that long that he needs to
> credit his music with IR.the music arr knows comes to him through his
> father Mr.R.Shekhar.
>
>  so guys all due respect to the great IR,but does arr really need to
> credit him?
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: nat_samy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 12:49:35 PM
> Subject: [arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja
>
>  What has been irking me more than 'ARRahman not crediting IR' is 'why
> IR has not been instrumental in bringing out ARR's talent to the
> world'. ARR has worked with IR for sometime, I would have expected IR
> to pass the mantle. Why it has to be a director Mani Ratnam who heard
> about Rahmans talent from word of mouth. Ofcourse a gifted talent
> like ARR is not going to be hidden away. I have been a fan of IR
> since 70s. I did not know much about the early years of ARR, as I
> myself came to know his greatness as late as 1996. I am not trying to
> stir up any contraversy, it is too late anyway, it is just something
> I have been wondering but not opened up.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com ,
> kenny korg 
> wrote:
> >
> > U r right Kalimuthu.
> > u said this in ur post..
> > "But I would say it's IR who revolutionised tamil music more than
> anybody
> > else (before ARR). "
> > However IR music famous within INDIA and Indian at Overseas at
> his time (80's)
> > But whole world is listening to Rahman's music without borders..
> > Thats the best part of Rahman
> >
> >
> >  - - ---
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Re: [arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-10 Thread sri ram 
arr was first introduced to mani by suhasini maniratnam,mani's wife.then mani 
discussed roja with arr and asked him to do an album as an audition.arr sent 
mani the album of roja to delhi within maybe one day and mani was so impressed 
he roped in arr.we all know mani worked with IR until dalapathy after which he 
had a tiff.
the point i'm making is, had mani known arr as an assosciate of IR,how does he 
hear about arr through his wife?arr worked with IR as a keyboard player while 
still a child and later went on to work with many other people.he was not 
assosciated with IR for that long that he needs to credit his music with IR.the 
music arr knows comes to him through his father Mr.R.Shekhar.

 so guys all due respect to the great IR,but does arr really need to credit him?
 

- Original Message 
From: nat_samy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 12:49:35 PM
Subject: [arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja









  



What has been irking me more than 'ARRahman not crediting IR' is 
'why 

IR has not been instrumental in bringing out ARR's talent to the 

world'. ARR has worked with IR for sometime, I would have expected IR 

to pass the mantle. Why it has to be a director Mani Ratnam who heard 

about Rahmans talent from word of mouth. Ofcourse a gifted talent 

like ARR is not going to be hidden away. I have been a fan of IR 

since 70s. I did not know much about the early years of ARR, as I 

myself came to know his greatness as late as 1996. I am not trying to 

stir up any contraversy, it is too late anyway, it is just something 

I have been wondering but not opened up.



--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, kenny korg  

wrote:

>

> U  r right Kalimuthu.

>u said this in ur post.. 

>   "But I would say it's IR who revolutionised tamil music more than 

anybody 

>   else (before ARR). "

>   However IR music famous within INDIA and Indian at Overseas at 

his time (80's)

>   But whole world is listening to Rahman's music without borders..

>   Thats the best part of Rahman

> 

>

>  - - ---

> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your 

story.

>  Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

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[arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-10 Thread nat_samy 
What has been irking me more than 'ARRahman not crediting IR' is 'why 
IR has not been instrumental in bringing out ARR's talent to the 
world'. ARR has worked with IR for sometime, I would have expected IR 
to pass the mantle. Why it has to be a director Mani Ratnam who heard 
about Rahmans talent from word of mouth. Ofcourse a gifted talent 
like ARR is not going to be hidden away. I have been a fan of IR 
since 70s. I did not know much about the early years of ARR, as I 
myself came to know his greatness as late as 1996. I am not trying to 
stir up any contraversy, it is too late anyway, it is just something 
I have been wondering but not opened up.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, kenny korg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> U  r right Kalimuthu.
>u said this in ur post.. 
>   "But I would say it's IR who revolutionised tamil music more than 
anybody 
>   else (before ARR). "
>   However IR music famous within INDIA and Indian at Overseas at 
his time (80's)
>   But whole world is listening to Rahman's music without borders..
>   Thats the best part of Rahman
> 
>
> -
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your 
story.
>  Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
>

[arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-10 Thread kenny korg 
U  r right Kalimuthu.
   u said this in ur post.. 
  "But I would say it's IR who revolutionised tamil music more than anybody 
  else (before ARR). "
  However IR music famous within INDIA and Indian at Overseas at his time (80's)
  But whole world is listening to Rahman's music without borders..
  Thats the best part of Rahman

   
-
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Re: [arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-10 Thread Abdul Manaf 
Yes Thulsi, you are correct, IR is a legend, no doubt. I don't think he is 
arr's guru. ARR created his own style himself. Those who are hearing 
ARR's Songs can undertand that in his style of music there is no influence 
of IR. For me i like IR very much for his amazing work he did before ARR. But 
there were some unwanted statements occur from IR in 90s. I remember that when 
Kadhalan audio released, IR said that "Todays Super hits are like a bomb 
explosion" i think that it was against ARR. Today ARR encouraging all 
other musicians.

Thulasi Ram wrote: 
> exactly true Amin. unfortunately our group have many of them that 
> tend to prick ARR for absolutely no reason. most devastating fact, more 
> people comply with that. one apt example is this thread. many think that ARR 
> learnt from IR.. 
>  to others=> hey come on, ARR did not take music classes and lessons. ARR 
> just worked for IR along with many other MD's. so, IR is no way a guru for 
> ARR. dont spoil the meaning of the word guru. better put a full stop to this 
> meaningless thread. none bother to appreciate the fact that ARR has been 
> selected as a nominee along with Bill Gates but lend their initiative to some 
> meaningless stuff like this. 
>  On 9/9/07, Mohamed Amin < [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > wrote: 
> Hi all,     One thing we are forgetting here. This group is for 
> the music of A.R.Rahman and not for dictating ARR. So, we should refrain 
> ourselves from dictating what ARR must do and not do. Its his own wish. We 
> are here just to listen and discuss his music. We should stop ourselves from 
> overstepping into his personal opinion. 
>      regards,  Amin        "♫ Avinash ☺"  yahoo.com > wrote:  I totally agree with
>  Aakarsh. In My Opinion, they both are genius on their own ways. Rahman does 
> not have to say that (to credit IR), his music itself reflects the most of 
> Ilayaraja's style. And the most of emotions expressed in 
>  Rahman's music is similar to Ilayaraja's oldies. The only difference is, 
> Rahman used technology & his talent to give right track to those emotions!! 
> Just my opinions/obervation s... --- In 
>  arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com , Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED] ..> wrote: >
>  > HI! > > I dont dispute the fact that ARR revolutionized Indian Film Music, 
> but IR belongs to the generation before ARR. Besides, ARR is a humble 
> disciple of IR. So, it would be nice of him if he credits 
>  his guru when he talks about learning music. He can credit many others too, 
> but the fact that IR was the biggest musical phenomenon
>  prior to ARR must not be forgotten. > IR cannot credit ARR because IR didnt 
> learn anything from ARR (musically atleast, although both learnt programming 
> techniques while working together). > 
>> Also, instead of weaving rivalry between them (and their fans), one should 
>> genuinely agree that both are geniuses in their own ways. and It would be 
>> such a nice event to see ARR saying a good word or two, about his one time 
>> master. Atleast, Rahman being hs humble and 
>  down to earth self, should credit his guru. > > and regarding why IR never 
> credited ARR...well, the analogies can be many. R.D.Burman always credited 
> his father S.D.Burman for instilling music in him...but did 
> S.D.Burman ever talk about R.D.Burman? Did Shiv Kumar Sharma ever credit 
> Rahul Sharma (both are santoor maestros)? never. that doesnt mean that there 
> was any rivalry...its just a generation seldom talks about next generation. 
>  I
>  am sure Rahman wouldnt credit some composer X, who could be at the top 
> (however good or bad he may be...) 10 years from now. Its only the next 
> generation which should look up to the previous one, with veneration.
>  > > I too was taken aback when rahman doesnt speak about his musical 
> experiences (musical learnings, apart from the fact that IR made great music 
> without alcohol, which rahman often says) with IR. 
> afterall, ARR was the only rightful successor to IR, because both have a 
> pious appraoch towards music. > > - Regards > Aakarsh. > > Thulasi Ram 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > does IR credit ARR for the music revolution 
> ARR has made 
>  to the Indian music industry? how can u expect the other way around? the 
> interview was good and ARR was spot on. > > On 9/8/07, anishshreya 
>  wrote: Guys, > > In the interview with NDTV...arr seems to
>  credit alot of old > composers like MSV and KV Mahadevan... .but he seems 
> not to credit > Illayaraja.. ..i am sure there have been alot if stuff he 
> learnt from > IR.Maybe he should also credit Illayaraja evenly. Talking abt 
>  names > like visha shekar and shankar eshan loyi would have been glad if 
> > he would have rather said something abt ilayaraja where in terms of > 
> class..he is far apart from many composers in the 80s.
>  > > Comeon...afterall. ..our boss came from illayaraja school When Gangai > 
> Amaran brother of illayar

Re: [arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-09 Thread Thulasi Ram 
exactly true Amin. unfortunately our group have many of them that tend to
prick ARR for absolutely no reason. most devastating fact, more people
comply with that. one apt example is this thread. many think that ARR learnt
from IR..

to others=> hey come on, ARR did not take music classes and lessons. ARR
just worked for IR along with many other MD's. so, IR is no way a guru for
ARR. dont spoil the meaning of the word guru.

better put a full stop to this meaningless thread. none bother to appreciate
the fact that ARR has been selected as a nominee along with Bill Gates but
lend their initiative to some meaningless stuff like this.

On 9/9/07, Mohamed Amin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Hi all,
>
> One thing we are forgetting here. This group is for the music of
> A.R.Rahman and not for dictating ARR. So, we should refrain ourselves from
> dictating what ARR must do and not do. Its his own wish. We are here just to
> listen and discuss his music. We should stop ourselves from overstepping
> into his personal opinion.
>
> regards,
> Amin
>
>
> *"♫ Avinash ☺" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
>  I totally agree with Aakarsh.
>
> In My Opinion, they both are genius on their own ways. Rahman does
> not have to say that (to credit IR), his music itself reflects the
> most of Ilayaraja's style. And the most of emotions expressed in
> Rahman's music is similar to Ilayaraja's oldies. The only difference
> is, Rahman used technology & his talent to give right track to those
> emotions!!
>
> Just my opinions/obervations...
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > HI!
> >
> > I dont dispute the fact that ARR revolutionized Indian Film
> Music, but IR belongs to the generation before ARR. Besides, ARR is
> a humble disciple of IR. So, it would be nice of him if he credits
> his guru when he talks about learning music. He can credit many
> others too, but the fact that IR was the biggest musical phenomenon
> prior to ARR must not be forgotten.
> > IR cannot credit ARR because IR didnt learn anything from ARR
> (musically atleast, although both learnt programming techniques
> while working together).
> >
> > Also, instead of weaving rivalry between them (and their fans),
> one should genuinely agree that both are geniuses in their own ways.
> and It would be such a nice event to see ARR saying a good word or
> two, about his one time master. Atleast, Rahman being hs humble and
> down to earth self, should credit his guru.
> >
> > and regarding why IR never credited ARR...well, the analogies
> can be many. R.D.Burman always credited his father S.D.Burman for
> instilling music in him...but did S.D.Burman ever talk about
> R.D.Burman? Did Shiv Kumar Sharma ever credit Rahul Sharma (both are
> santoor maestros)? never. that doesnt mean that there was any
> rivalry...its just a generation seldom talks about next generation.
> I am sure Rahman wouldnt credit some composer X, who could be at the
> top (however good or bad he may be...) 10 years from now. Its only
> the next generation which should look up to the previous one, with
> veneration.
> >
> > I too was taken aback when rahman doesnt speak about his musical
> experiences (musical learnings, apart from the fact that IR made
> great music without alcohol, which rahman often says) with IR.
> afterall, ARR was the only rightful successor to IR, because both
> have a pious appraoch towards music.
> >
> > - Regards
> > Aakarsh.
> >
> > Thulasi Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > does IR credit ARR for the music revolution ARR has made
> to the Indian music industry? how can u expect the other way around?
> the interview was good and ARR was spot on.
> >
> > On 9/8/07, anishshreya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Guys,
> >
> > In the interview with NDTV...arr seems to credit alot of old
> > composers like MSV and KV Mahadevanbut he seems not to credit
> > Illayarajai am sure there have been alot if stuff he learnt
> from
> > IR.Maybe he should also credit Illayaraja evenly. Talking abt
> names
> > like visha shekar and shankar eshan loyi would have been glad
> if
> > he would have rather said something abt ilayaraja where in terms
> of
> > class..he is far apart from many composers in the 80s.
> >
> > Comeon...afterall...our boss came from illayaraja school When
> Gangai
> > Amaran brother of illayaraja can credit arr...why not our boss?
> Boss
> > should really speak abt IR in some intervoews and the days when
> they
> > were working together.
> >
> > Arr always
> >
> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Amith Chandhran"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe it is taken on 10th August. :-)
> > >
> > > On 9/8/07, $*$ PaVaN $*$  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ya..its a new one..rahman talks abt janaganamana...thn shreya
> > ghosal
> > > > winning flimfare award and many more..
> > > >
> > > > Watched it yesterday on NDTV..nice one :-)
> > > >
> > > > *Anil Nair * wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not sure if this has been p

Re: [arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-09 Thread Mohamed Amin 
Hi all,
   
  One thing we are forgetting here. This group is for the music of A.R.Rahman 
and not for dictating ARR. So, we should refrain ourselves from dictating what 
ARR must do and not do. Its his own wish. We are here just to listen and 
discuss his music. We should stop ourselves from overstepping into his personal 
opinion. 
   
  regards,
  Amin
   
   
  "♫ Avinash ☺" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I totally agree with Aakarsh. 

In My Opinion, they both are genius on their own ways. Rahman does 
not have to say that (to credit IR), his music itself reflects the 
most of Ilayaraja's style. And the most of emotions expressed in 
Rahman's music is similar to Ilayaraja's oldies. The only difference 
is, Rahman used technology & his talent to give right track to those 
emotions!!

Just my opinions/obervations...

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> HI!
> 
> I dont dispute the fact that ARR revolutionized Indian Film 
Music, but IR belongs to the generation before ARR. Besides, ARR is 
a humble disciple of IR. So, it would be nice of him if he credits 
his guru when he talks about learning music. He can credit many 
others too, but the fact that IR was the biggest musical phenomenon 
prior to ARR must not be forgotten. 
> IR cannot credit ARR because IR didnt learn anything from ARR 
(musically atleast, although both learnt programming techniques 
while working together). 
> 
> Also, instead of weaving rivalry between them (and their fans), 
one should genuinely agree that both are geniuses in their own ways. 
and It would be such a nice event to see ARR saying a good word or 
two, about his one time master. Atleast, Rahman being hs humble and 
down to earth self, should credit his guru. 
> 
> and regarding why IR never credited ARR...well, the analogies 
can be many. R.D.Burman always credited his father S.D.Burman for 
instilling music in him...but did S.D.Burman ever talk about 
R.D.Burman? Did Shiv Kumar Sharma ever credit Rahul Sharma (both are 
santoor maestros)? never. that doesnt mean that there was any 
rivalry...its just a generation seldom talks about next generation. 
I am sure Rahman wouldnt credit some composer X, who could be at the 
top (however good or bad he may be...) 10 years from now. Its only 
the next generation which should look up to the previous one, with 
veneration.
> 
> I too was taken aback when rahman doesnt speak about his musical 
experiences (musical learnings, apart from the fact that IR made 
great music without alcohol, which rahman often says) with IR. 
afterall, ARR was the only rightful successor to IR, because both 
have a pious appraoch towards music.
> 
> - Regards
> Aakarsh.
> 
> Thulasi Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> does IR credit ARR for the music revolution ARR has made 
to the Indian music industry? how can u expect the other way around? 
the interview was good and ARR was spot on.
> 
> On 9/8/07, anishshreya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Guys,
> 
> In the interview with NDTV...arr seems to credit alot of old 
> composers like MSV and KV Mahadevanbut he seems not to credit 
> Illayarajai am sure there have been alot if stuff he learnt 
from 
> IR.Maybe he should also credit Illayaraja evenly. Talking abt 
names 
> like visha shekar and shankar eshan loyi would have been glad 
if 
> he would have rather said something abt ilayaraja where in terms 
of 
> class..he is far apart from many composers in the 80s.
> 
> Comeon...afterall...our boss came from illayaraja school When 
Gangai 
> Amaran brother of illayaraja can credit arr...why not our boss? 
Boss 
> should really speak abt IR in some intervoews and the days when 
they 
> were working together.
> 
> Arr always
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Amith Chandhran" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I believe it is taken on 10th August. :-)
> > 
> > On 9/8/07, $*$ PaVaN $*$  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ya..its a new one..rahman talks abt janaganamana...thn shreya 
> ghosal
> > > winning flimfare award and many more..
> > >
> > > Watched it yesterday on NDTV..nice one :-)
> > >
> > > *Anil Nair * wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure if this has been posted before seems like a new 
one 
> to me
> > >
> > > http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/default.aspx?
> id=16843
> > >
> > > -A
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > --
> > > Got a little couch potato?
> > > Check out fun summer activities for 
> 
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> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla.
> 
> http://kamal-aakarsh.blogspot.com 
> 
> there are two ways to live life.one is as though nothing is a 
miracle. and the other is as though everythi

[arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-09 Thread jsrwm 
Gangai Amaran has openly made fun of 'Ottagathi Kattikko' song in a 
stage



--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "anishshreya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Guys,
> 
> In the interview with NDTV...arr seems to credit alot of old 
> composers like MSV and KV Mahadevanbut he seems not to credit 
> Illayarajai am sure there have been alot if stuff he learnt 
from 
> IR.Maybe he should also credit Illayaraja evenly. Talking abt 
names 
> like visha shekar and shankar eshan loyi would have been glad 
if 
> he would have rather said something abt ilayaraja where in terms 
of 
> class..he is far apart from many composers in the 80s.
> 
> Comeon...afterall...our boss came from illayaraja school When 
Gangai 
> Amaran  brother of illayaraja can credit arr...why not our boss? 
Boss 
> should really speak abt IR in some intervoews and the days when 
they 
> were working together.
> 
> Arr always
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Amith Chandhran" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I believe it is taken on 10th August. :-)
> > 
> > On 9/8/07, $*$ PaVaN $*$  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Ya..its a new one..rahman talks abt janaganamana...thn 
shreya 
> ghosal
> > > winning flimfare award and many more..
> > >
> > > Watched it yesterday on NDTV..nice one :-)
> > >
> > > *Anil Nair * wrote:
> > >
> > >  Not sure if this has been posted before seems like a new 
one 
> to me
> > >
> > > http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/default.aspx?
> id=16843
> > >
> > > -A
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > --
> > > Got a little couch potato?
> > > Check out fun summer activities for 
> 
kids. ?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz>
> > >
> > >  
> > >
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>

[arr] Re: Arr...why is he not crediting Illayaraja

2007-09-09 Thread ♫ Avinash ☺ 
I totally agree with Aakarsh. 

In My Opinion, they both are genius on their own ways. Rahman does 
not have to say that (to credit IR), his music itself reflects the 
most of Ilayaraja's style. And the most of emotions expressed in 
Rahman's music is similar to Ilayaraja's oldies. The only difference 
is, Rahman used technology & his talent to give right track to those 
emotions!!

Just my opinions/obervations...


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> HI!
>
>   I dont dispute the fact that ARR revolutionized Indian Film 
Music, but IR belongs to the generation before ARR. Besides, ARR is 
a humble disciple of IR. So, it would be nice of him if he credits 
his guru when he talks about learning music. He can credit many 
others too, but the fact that IR was the biggest musical phenomenon 
prior to ARR must not be forgotten. 
>   IR cannot credit ARR because IR didnt learn anything from ARR 
(musically atleast, although both learnt programming techniques 
while working together). 
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>   Also, instead of weaving rivalry between them (and their fans), 
one should genuinely agree that both are geniuses in their own ways. 
and It would be such a nice event to see ARR saying a good word or 
two, about his one time master. Atleast, Rahman being hs humble and 
down to earth self, should credit his guru. 
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>   and regarding why IR never credited ARR...well, the analogies 
can be many. R.D.Burman always credited his father S.D.Burman for 
instilling music in him...but did S.D.Burman ever talk about 
R.D.Burman? Did Shiv Kumar Sharma ever credit Rahul Sharma (both are 
santoor maestros)? never. that doesnt mean that there was any 
rivalry...its just a generation seldom talks about next generation. 
I am sure Rahman wouldnt credit some composer X, who could be at the 
top (however good or bad he may be...) 10 years from now. Its only 
the next generation which should look up to the previous one, with 
veneration.
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>   I too was taken aback when rahman doesnt speak about his musical 
experiences (musical learnings, apart from the fact that IR made 
great music without alcohol, which rahman often says) with IR. 
afterall, ARR was the only rightful successor to IR, because both 
have a pious appraoch towards music.
>
>   - Regards
>   Aakarsh.
> 
> Thulasi Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   does IR credit ARR for the music revolution ARR has made 
to the Indian music industry? how can u expect the other way around? 
the interview was good and ARR was spot on.
> 
>   On 9/8/07, anishshreya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Guys,
> 
> In the interview with NDTV...arr seems to credit alot of old 
> composers like MSV and KV Mahadevanbut he seems not to credit 
> Illayarajai am sure there have been alot if stuff he learnt 
from 
> IR.Maybe he should also credit Illayaraja evenly. Talking abt 
names 
> like visha shekar and shankar eshan loyi would have been glad 
if 
> he would have rather said something abt ilayaraja where in terms 
of 
> class..he is far apart from many composers in the 80s.
> 
> Comeon...afterall...our boss came from illayaraja school When 
Gangai 
> Amaran brother of illayaraja can credit arr...why not our boss? 
Boss 
> should really speak abt IR in some intervoews and the days when 
they 
> were working together.
> 
> Arr always
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Amith Chandhran" 
>  wrote:
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> > I believe it is taken on 10th August. :-)
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> > On 9/8/07, $*$ PaVaN $*$  wrote:
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> > > Ya..its a new one..rahman talks abt janaganamana...thn shreya 
> ghosal
> > > winning flimfare award and many more..
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> > > Watched it yesterday on NDTV..nice one :-)
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> > > *Anil Nair * wrote:
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> > > Not sure if this has been posted before seems like a new 
one 
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>   Regards
> Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla.
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>   http://kamal-aakarsh.blogspot.com 
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