Re: [arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
i really like ur point now-a-days Rahman Sir is becoming quite monotonous and not giving much dancing songs bcoz generation needs dancing songs friends __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
Friends, Just felt like sharing an excerpt from an interview by our boss: " Music is like a medicine that cures. Just like a medicine, it tastes sour at the beginning but as time passes it starts to work. If you take sweets for example, they taste great at the beginning but they vanish without a trace immediately. Songs are also like that. You like some songs immediately on hearing but you forget them in the same speed. And there are songs that you hated the first time you heard it, but as time goes on you get a real satisfied feeling hearing it. So, as far as music is concerned you can't decide anything immediately. " -ALLAH RAKHA RAHMAN > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz wrote: > > > > Hi frenz... > > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to > GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and > required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE NAME > OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song is "JUNE PONA" > from > > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a song! > this is > > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) That > > actually is a good song too... > > > >What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by something > in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much about the tune > but the audio quality... > > > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less > compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are > sounding great.. > > > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud have > the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud accept > this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already send > a mail regarding this earlier.. > > > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ songs sound louder > and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a single sound... > > > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but qualitywise HJ is > one or two steps far than our king.. > > > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt i have to accept > one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer and something fresh in my > CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > > > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 songs very much in > > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter sounds fresh > qualitywise.. > > > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look into this matter.. > > > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only praising the > merits in the tune but also to let him know about the flaws in the > songs... > > > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's songs have poor > quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is having one of the > world's well equipped studio...but i cant understand y it happens > though...Again i m stressing on > > " comparatively with HJ" > > > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > > this..
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
Hi guys I would have to agree with some of the observations made by some of our members,Guru's sound quality is not upto ARR's level.ARR set the benchmark for sound quality but Guru fails to match it.While some percussions instruments like the tabla in "Ay Hairathe" are well recorded and sound great,the overall sound is forward sounding like most other Indian recording. There were other things which spoil this recording which were mentioned in the review of Guru by AV Max magazine in this month's issue.Usually ARR's recordings get a good review and rating from AV Max but for Guru they have given a rating of 2/5 for recording quality. Below is the review from the magazine about the recording - "The Recording is forward sounding,lacks the detailing in the sound.The separation in the soundtrack is not satisfactory.There is audible sibilance in the tracks throughout.The vocals are deficient of its warmth and natural timbre.The bass lines and rhythm arrangements in 'Guru' are well recorded." - AV MAX,December 2006. Some of our members said that sound quality might have come down because of the many instruments used or the use of more live instruments for the recording but I don't agree with this point.There are many great recordings out there with a lot of instruments and live recordings which sound great. Another member pointed out that HJ has a latest console which might be the reason for the sound quality of Unnaale Unnaale but ARR also has some of the best hardware.ARR made great sounding recording with just decent quality hardware in the early 90s.The type of equipments used for a recording matters only upto a certain level,beyond which the sound quality depends on the sound sense and the skills of the sound engieners/MD. I don't know who is to be blamed for the sound quality of Guru,maybe the sound engineers are to be blamed.It might also be a case of experimentations gone wrong,they might have tried to create a fresh/new sound for the recording. Lets hope the next release sounds great like how an ARR recording should sound :-) Regards Fredrick --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi frenz... > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song is "JUNE PONA" from > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a song! this is > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) That > actually is a good song too... > >What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much about the tune but the audio quality... > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are sounding great.. > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud have the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud accept this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already send a mail regarding this earlier.. > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ songs sound louder and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a single sound... > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but qualitywise HJ is one or two steps far than our king.. > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt i have to accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer and something fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 songs very much in > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter sounds fresh qualitywise.. > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look into this matter.. > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only praising the merits in the tune but also to let him know about the flaws in the songs... > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's songs have poor quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is having one of the world's well equipped studio...but i cant understand y it happens though...Again i m stressing on > " comparatively with HJ" > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > this.. > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php >
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mr bharath, by far your entry into this discussion was what i was waiting for...sensible,fact-rich and logically unbiassed between north and south music industry. great stuff man! do send our collective love to our Guru when you see him next! --Balamurugan Ramakrishnan-- --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Bharath Venkatesan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That is an interesting discussion going on here, but I think, we need to > take few steps and take a brief look at the workflow employed by both ARR > and HJ and try to understand the perceived sound quality differences. > > > ARR's tracks go directly from his Logic Pro on Digidesign platform into > either Euphonix System 5 or Neve 88R which then gets recorded back into Pro > Tools. Most of the mix or creating space for every instrument in the song, > takes place at the Euphonix/Neve level. > > > > Now you have to understand that, System 5 is a digital console whereas Neve > 88R is a vintage sounding modern analog console which introduces its own > sound/distortion to the mix. Part of western music industry loves this > vintage sound and describes the crystal clear digital sound as lifeless. > > > > The songs we heard few years ago were all mixed totally either on Euphonix > System 5 or completely in the box on Pro Tools, whereas the new ones are > probably done fully on Neve which gives a different sonic characters, which > few of you describe as "not clear". I absolutely trust ARR/H. Sridhar's > choice to use a particular gear to achieve the sound they have in mind. > > > > Now, somebody mentioned HJ having Euphonix MC and mentioned that it was > advanced. I actually found it bit funny, no offence intended of course. From > a simple man's viewpoint, Euphonix Media Applications controller, which is > what HJ has, is a powerful keyboard and mouse, which offers lot of short cut > keys, knobs, jog wheels, buttons etc, which improves the time you take to do > certain operations on programs like Logic Pro, Pro Tools. I have used MC few > times and HJ himself showed me things, he feels, help him do things > efficiently. Simply put, HJ's gadget doesn't have onboard signal processing > as the big brother version installed at ARR's studio. > > > > With HJ's workflow, it is slightly different. Everything is recorded and mixed > directly on Pro Tools. If you look at Digidesign's website, you can see that > he has ICON, which is a powerful controller for Pro Tools, but doesn't have > onboard signal processing. Instead, it uses high quality plugins/tools that > are available from within Pro Tools for sound processing. Once the sound > enters the computer, it stays digital until the end. So you feel that it is > clear, as there is no distortion introduced anywhere in the signal chain, as > compared to the effect Neve has on songs mixed at ARR's studio. > > > > With "Guru", I think, it gets much more complex, when the tracks are brought > from different studios across the world (e.g. Phase one Toronto, and may be > some studio from Mumbai). Each session might have had different microphones, > different recording techniques, engineers etc and the responsibility to make > it sound even/good, falls on mixing engineer's shoulders. > > > > Having met both, being fan of both and, H. Sridhar, being my indirect > mentor, I will refrain from judging which one is better. I like both and of > course, I would feel proud and earn more bragging brownie points, if ARR > mixes everything on Pro Tools. > > > > Apart from this whole technology gizmos, as somebody else pointed out, > orchestration/arrangement matters a lot. With ARR songs, there are so many > things happening that I learn something new, every time I listen to it. > > > > So, personally, I don't really bog myself down too much on the sound quality > and trust the judgment of professionals doing the job and just enjoy the > music they create. > > > > Disclaimer: BTW if anyone thinks or knows that I am totally wrong on the > technology side of things, please let me know. These are few things I picked > up when I had the privilege of meeting the greats and I very well could have > misunderstood. I really admire your concentration, if you really read each > and every line so far :) > > -- > :: Bharath > http://singingphotons.net >
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - My EXPLANATION on Sound Quality
Maybe ARR is just using less compression on his tracks? This is actually better, since we get a fuller dynamic range. In the US a lot of pop and rock albums are compressed to death, which gives a higher average volume but they have poor dynamic range. The mastering on ARR's albums is fine, no need to change it. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Pradeepan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > I read the threads about ARR Sound quality not being Good Enough > comparitively. > > let me tell what I feel. > > I also feel other MD's Sounds are more SHRILL. > So at the same Sound level, their Songs sound Shrill and clearer. > But I feel if you go for Higher Volumes, A.R.Rahman songs bring out > the deeper Sounds in his Music. > > Please try listening in Windows Media Player with the WOW Effects ON. > then you will see the difference. > I am not sure myself. > But definitely I agree that other MD;s sounds are more SHRILLER. > > But coming to think of it, can't ARR know about this ! > surely he knows what he is doing.. > maybe it will help if soomeone asks about this in an interview or > something.. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Dinesh" wrote: > > > > hmm guys...a good topic of discussion...to tell u the truth,this has > > been missing in ARR's quality ever since 2002 not sure y,but > > yea,quality wise,some of his audio,lacks that diamond clearness that > > his songs used to have in the 90s. when i just pick a song from > > his 90s albumWHOA...a huge difference in clearness wise its > > just based on a 2.1 channel audio system... and comparing it to Hj's > > Unnale just my request,plz do not compare anything that is ARR > > with HJ i just listened to the Unnale Unnale songs , sounds very > > monotonous though and the instrumetns & beats r just so > > boring,except Mudhal Naal,which seem to be inspired from Boss's > > Rubaroo, and Vaigasi Nilave is the only good once in the album the > > clearness quality too somehow lacks,but yea...its somehow CLEARER than > > some of ARR's album > > > > hope ARR will look into this matter. the final verdict would be > > his 90s album sounded more clearer compared to now...no?! > > >
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - my explanation - Oh God!!
I keep wondering wen this will stop!!! People comparing 2 completely different albums as to which is best GURU & Unnale unnale are faaar apart in every aspect - their flavor, language, story, director, MD and most important - "Their PERIOD". A world class Music director wont compromise on "quality" (as quoted by some) without reason. ARR always gives a lot more than wat Mani and the audience expect from him in their combos and according to me he has done that in GURU too U cant expect computerised tones and loops to play in a story depicting the 70s do u??? Jeeva's films on the other hand demand freshness and youth in the music and Harris has provided it too... On the whole there is nothin similar between these 2 albums... So please stop saying that our Boss is 2nd to anyone in terms of quality or tone or freshness or anything for that matter The real fact is that ARR has matured a lot more than any other music composer and he is the only one who can do wonders in any kind of film - be it a period, offbeat, love story, commercial, etc, etc I cant stop wondering why we fans ourselves doubt our BOSS wen professionals in the field themselves admit that ARR is the best in mixing and "BALANCING Frequencies"... I am sure every song in GURU will fit in neatly with the movie... Wait & watch folks With Luv, A.Dhinesh On 12/20/06, up84mouli <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > > Hi Fans, > > I dont know what is the "number" of this explanation, but anyway - > thought I will also do my bit here... > > When you "consider" seriously, there may be some possibilities as I > have listed them below. > > 1. Guru might not have needed that kind of sound. Mani was probably > given some samples and it might well be HE who decided it. > > 2. Rahman probably "hires" those equipments as a cost-cut measure and > Mani is an MBA. So, they might have "calculated" a lot of things about > what is important rather than going with THE BEST always... > > 3. Guru involves a "period element" in its story. That is why they > didn't use ultra-modern lyrics and so did away with the ultra-sfx > sound stuff and went with something that is warm and original, > reminding us to some extent the (g)olden times. That is my reasoning > why there was a song like "Baazi Lagaa" in the first place, but why it > DIDNT sound at least like the rest is something I myself am thinking > about... > > 4. I will now return to the "old classical arguement" and mention ONLY > ONE point that suit this writing IN GENERAL - including, but not > restricted to Guru. > > Rahman uses more LIVE instruments and wants them to sound just like > that (WHHIWWH (What he hears is what WE hear)) - of course with some > manipulations and improvisations here and there... > > Finally, I DONT get a feeling something has gone wrong. > > Please reply to the following: > > Mention some ARR songs which sounded EXACTLY like HR's Unnaale > Unnaale. So that... > > a. We can understand what you (the person who started it and those who > support it) are trying to refer exactly as the difference. > > b. We can try to respond "quantitatively" to the message... > > Thanks for reading. > Chandra. > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com , > "Alan Hadle .H" > wrote: > > > > here goes my explanation. . > > > > frd > > unnale unnale is a ameatur album in my view.. he starts off with the > > strings u think u are upto a rock song but suddenly he brings in pop > > beats..finally makes up a song that is loud but not clear..harris in > > my point is recycling old christian songs.u would have noticed that > > the song paartha mudhal naale is an abrupt copy of the song yesu > > pirantharey. . quality and even in ur terms loudness wise rahman is not > > in the comparable distance.. hear meenaxi.. hear lakeer,tehzeeb u will > > feel the difference.. of course tamil has a lot of classics ..have u > > heard love birds of rahman except malaragale i would call it an album > > similar to harris.. it was popular at tht time but today no one > > listens to it like they listen to roja ,alaipayuthe kandukondain etc.. > > harris albums r all the ame like love birds.. > > > > sillenu oru kadhal had different sounds thats wht a rahman album is > > all about.. u get set to the sounds after repetitive hearing.. i dunt > > know what ur musical taste is but ppl like me would wait for new > > sounds in every rahman album.. guru is a classic don't compare it with > > unnale unnale..its like comparing pudhiya mugam and minnale.. rahman > > isnt missing anything.. in fact he is giving more loops to harris for > > free lol > > music is all abt hearing new sounds in different combo's so cheer up.. > > signs > > alanhadley > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com , > "yeshrao81" wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these > > > days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. > > > > > > If he just use
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - My EXPLANATION on Sound Quality
Hi Guys, I read the threads about ARR Sound quality not being Good Enough comparitively. let me tell what I feel. I also feel other MD's Sounds are more SHRILL. So at the same Sound level, their Songs sound Shrill and clearer. But I feel if you go for Higher Volumes, A.R.Rahman songs bring out the deeper Sounds in his Music. Please try listening in Windows Media Player with the WOW Effects ON. then you will see the difference. I am not sure myself. But definitely I agree that other MD;s sounds are more SHRILLER. But coming to think of it, can't ARR know about this ! surely he knows what he is doing.. maybe it will help if soomeone asks about this in an interview or something.. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Dinesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hmm guys...a good topic of discussion...to tell u the truth,this has > been missing in ARR's quality ever since 2002 not sure y,but > yea,quality wise,some of his audio,lacks that diamond clearness that > his songs used to have in the 90s. when i just pick a song from > his 90s albumWHOA...a huge difference in clearness wise its > just based on a 2.1 channel audio system... and comparing it to Hj's > Unnale just my request,plz do not compare anything that is ARR > with HJ i just listened to the Unnale Unnale songs , sounds very > monotonous though and the instrumetns & beats r just so > boring,except Mudhal Naal,which seem to be inspired from Boss's > Rubaroo, and Vaigasi Nilave is the only good once in the album the > clearness quality too somehow lacks,but yea...its somehow CLEARER than > some of ARR's album > > hope ARR will look into this matter. the final verdict would be > his 90s album sounded more clearer compared to now...no?! >
Re: [arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - my explanation #??
the person has actually exaggerated HJ..It is very difficult for anyone to accept his statement "we wont lose even a single sound"..whoever be the music director there are certain sounds which will come to our notice only by paying utmost attention..and only through speakers Also ARRs songs will remain in one's memory forever..that is repeated hearing is possible but in case of harris once the movie time and the period id over..it is boring..that is where ARR stands out among all other musicians. On 12/20/06, up84mouli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Fans, I dont know what is the "number" of this explanation, but anyway - thought I will also do my bit here... When you "consider" seriously, there may be some possibilities as I have listed them below. 1. Guru might not have needed that kind of sound. Mani was probably given some samples and it might well be HE who decided it. 2. Rahman probably "hires" those equipments as a cost-cut measure and Mani is an MBA. So, they might have "calculated" a lot of things about what is important rather than going with THE BEST always... 3. Guru involves a "period element" in its story. That is why they didn't use ultra-modern lyrics and so did away with the ultra-sfx sound stuff and went with something that is warm and original, reminding us to some extent the (g)olden times. That is my reasoning why there was a song like "Baazi Lagaa" in the first place, but why it DIDNT sound at least like the rest is something I myself am thinking about... 4. I will now return to the "old classical arguement" and mention ONLY ONE point that suit this writing IN GENERAL - including, but not restricted to Guru. Rahman uses more LIVE instruments and wants them to sound just like that (WHHIWWH (What he hears is what WE hear)) - of course with some manipulations and improvisations here and there... Finally, I DONT get a feeling something has gone wrong. Please reply to the following: Mention some ARR songs which sounded EXACTLY like HR's Unnaale Unnaale. So that... a. We can understand what you (the person who started it and those who support it) are trying to refer exactly as the difference. b. We can try to respond "quantitatively" to the message... Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , "Alan Hadle .H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > here goes my explanation.. > > frd > unnale unnale is a ameatur album in my view.. he starts off with the > strings u think u are upto a rock song but suddenly he brings in pop > beats..finally makes up a song that is loud but not clear..harris in > my point is recycling old christian songs.u would have noticed that > the song paartha mudhal naale is an abrupt copy of the song yesu > pirantharey.. quality and even in ur terms loudness wise rahman is not > in the comparable distance.. hear meenaxi.. hear lakeer,tehzeeb u will > feel the difference.. of course tamil has a lot of classics ..have u > heard love birds of rahman except malaragale i would call it an album > similar to harris.. it was popular at tht time but today no one > listens to it like they listen to roja ,alaipayuthe kandukondain etc.. > harris albums r all the ame like love birds.. > > sillenu oru kadhal had different sounds thats wht a rahman album is > all about.. u get set to the sounds after repetitive hearing.. i dunt > know what ur musical taste is but ppl like me would wait for new > sounds in every rahman album.. guru is a classic don't compare it with > unnale unnale..its like comparing pudhiya mugam and minnale.. rahman > isnt missing anything.. in fact he is giving more loops to harris for > free lol > music is all abt hearing new sounds in different combo's so cheer up.. > signs > alanhadley > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , "yeshrao81" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these > > days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. > > > > If he just uses basic bass guitar, piano and drums and great > > melodieshe will sound a lot more like his 90s.. > > > > Anyways...as for HJ...I think there is nothing else other loudness > > in his recordings... > > > > ARR is trying somehing newbut I would suggest he uses very few > > instruments...like he did in > > 1. Oh vennilla (kadhal desam) > > 2. Thendrale (kadhal desam) > > 3. Kollaiyile (kadhalan) > > 4. Minnale nee vandhu (may madham) > > 5. tHEN kilakku cheemaiyile(kILAKKU Cheemaiyile) > > 6. Thamila Thamila (Roja) > > 7. Rasathi (Thiruda Thiruda) > > 8. Vellai Pookal (KM) > > 9. En mel vizhundha malai thuili (May madham) > > 10. Nila Kaigiradhu (Indira) > > These numbers had best melody and magical bass and guitars...HJ has > > not even done anything like this so far! > > > > The best sound is not necessarily loud onesbut also brings in > > each instrument to the listener very clearlyexample is Thiruda > > Thiruda. > > > > But I should say...swades, bose, had great sound recording. > > > > Is H sridhar sti
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - my explanation #??
Hi Fans, I dont know what is the "number" of this explanation, but anyway - thought I will also do my bit here... When you "consider" seriously, there may be some possibilities as I have listed them below. 1. Guru might not have needed that kind of sound. Mani was probably given some samples and it might well be HE who decided it. 2. Rahman probably "hires" those equipments as a cost-cut measure and Mani is an MBA. So, they might have "calculated" a lot of things about what is important rather than going with THE BEST always... 3. Guru involves a "period element" in its story. That is why they didn't use ultra-modern lyrics and so did away with the ultra-sfx sound stuff and went with something that is warm and original, reminding us to some extent the (g)olden times. That is my reasoning why there was a song like "Baazi Lagaa" in the first place, but why it DIDNT sound at least like the rest is something I myself am thinking about... 4. I will now return to the "old classical arguement" and mention ONLY ONE point that suit this writing IN GENERAL - including, but not restricted to Guru. Rahman uses more LIVE instruments and wants them to sound just like that (WHHIWWH (What he hears is what WE hear)) - of course with some manipulations and improvisations here and there... Finally, I DONT get a feeling something has gone wrong. Please reply to the following: Mention some ARR songs which sounded EXACTLY like HR's Unnaale Unnaale. So that... a. We can understand what you (the person who started it and those who support it) are trying to refer exactly as the difference. b. We can try to respond "quantitatively" to the message... Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Hadle .H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > here goes my explanation.. > > frd > unnale unnale is a ameatur album in my view.. he starts off with the > strings u think u are upto a rock song but suddenly he brings in pop > beats..finally makes up a song that is loud but not clear..harris in > my point is recycling old christian songs.u would have noticed that > the song paartha mudhal naale is an abrupt copy of the song yesu > pirantharey.. quality and even in ur terms loudness wise rahman is not > in the comparable distance.. hear meenaxi.. hear lakeer,tehzeeb u will > feel the difference.. of course tamil has a lot of classics ..have u > heard love birds of rahman except malaragale i would call it an album > similar to harris.. it was popular at tht time but today no one > listens to it like they listen to roja ,alaipayuthe kandukondain etc.. > harris albums r all the ame like love birds.. > > sillenu oru kadhal had different sounds thats wht a rahman album is > all about.. u get set to the sounds after repetitive hearing.. i dunt > know what ur musical taste is but ppl like me would wait for new > sounds in every rahman album.. guru is a classic don't compare it with > unnale unnale..its like comparing pudhiya mugam and minnale.. rahman > isnt missing anything.. in fact he is giving more loops to harris for > free lol > music is all abt hearing new sounds in different combo's so cheer up.. > signs > alanhadley > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "yeshrao81" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these > > days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. > > > > If he just uses basic bass guitar, piano and drums and great > > melodieshe will sound a lot more like his 90s.. > > > > Anyways...as for HJ...I think there is nothing else other loudness > > in his recordings... > > > > ARR is trying somehing newbut I would suggest he uses very few > > instruments...like he did in > > 1. Oh vennilla (kadhal desam) > > 2. Thendrale (kadhal desam) > > 3. Kollaiyile (kadhalan) > > 4. Minnale nee vandhu (may madham) > > 5. tHEN kilakku cheemaiyile(kILAKKU Cheemaiyile) > > 6. Thamila Thamila (Roja) > > 7. Rasathi (Thiruda Thiruda) > > 8. Vellai Pookal (KM) > > 9. En mel vizhundha malai thuili (May madham) > > 10. Nila Kaigiradhu (Indira) > > These numbers had best melody and magical bass and guitars...HJ has > > not even done anything like this so far! > > > > The best sound is not necessarily loud onesbut also brings in > > each instrument to the listener very clearlyexample is Thiruda > > Thiruda. > > > > But I should say...swades, bose, had great sound recording. > > > > Is H sridhar still doing the sound engineering for ARR? > > > > Thanks, > > Yeshwanth > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "arunsoft2k" > > wrote: > > > > > > I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But following quality > > > of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from ARR in any other > > > aspects > > > > > > Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of them sounds > > > good though supported by the quality of sound. > > > > > > Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the songs. > > > > > > He
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The problem with rahman is that he has inexaustible and unemptiable stuff..so within a song itself he keeps improvisin and doesnt repeat the same line again and again however impressive it is..hope u all would hav noticed it..one example..in mayya mayya song,the violin bit in between the lines 'souda raat ka' and 'toudi chand ki'(forgive me if llyrics r wrong) is so catchy and amazin to hear..but it comes in a undermined fashion..its not very sharp to hear..there are thousands of other example.. the problem with rahman is that he is an unassumin genius..doesnt bother to keep repeatin the same tune just because its great..he instead gives many other such interludes..in a single song..so the listeners at first time are over loaded and not able to retain one particular tune..so they dismiss the song as 'not so impressive'.where as in case of harris..he has limited stuff ..hnce if he scores ont good tune..he keeps repeatin it in the song till the listeners absorb it completely.. hope u can relate with my point.. another problem is yet again the extra calibre of rahman..he keeps complicatin the tune and doesnt present it in as simple a manner as others do..thats not his fault..his brain never rests and tries to improvise till the end..and the enormous amt of layerin which can be enjoyed by unfoldin every layer at each time of listenin and not at the very first time.. One big thing which is missin in th Listeners is PATIENCE..which can wipe out all the above stated 'draw backs' of rahman.. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Thineshan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I entirely agree with u. The quality of the sound, is lower now, so > Rahman's songs dont have the same energy as they used to. There is a > flaw in the recording process. I am not an expert compared to how > genius he is, but this is a humble opinion. However, Guru is an > exception to this, the sound quality is really good. Also, Rahman > nowadays is using real instruments as we saw with ey hairathe, real > instruments dont sound as clear as synthesized because its a person > playing it and while recording live instruments quality is lost as > opposed to producing sounds on the computer which doesnt requrie > mics to record so helps to retain the quality. I think this is why > HJ's sounds sound clear and audio is of better quality since he is > using the same method Rahman used years ago: synthesized > instruments. It will be pathetic to hear HJ if he uses the same > instruments rahman does. > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, suresh jayakumar > wrote: > > > > Could it be due to extensive use of synthesised sounds > > by HJ. > > > > > > ARR's sound feels natural in my opinion. > > > > --- arunsoft2k wrote: > > > > > I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But > > > following quality > > > of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from > > > ARR in any other > > > aspects > > > > > > Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of > > > them sounds > > > good though supported by the quality of sound. > > > > > > Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the > > > songs. > > > > > > He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the > > > song in most > > > cases. > > > > > > I think he's inspiring most of the western music and > > > also I feel his > > > tunes are based on late 80's english pop music. > > > > > > "Arr is Arr". > > > > > > ARR is master of all the above thats why as you > > > mentioned he > > > is "world class".He doesn't even need great sound > > > quality to prove > > > that. But you are right ARR might need to try > > > something more in the > > > sound quality including 5.1 recording then it would > > > be a additonal > > > bonus for some of us. i too felt Harris soungs good > > > in 5.1. i get > > > surprised sometime. > > > > > > But nothin to worry about. > > > > > > Arun. > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi frenz... > > > > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house > > > and listened to > > > GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the > > > songs are nice and > > > required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the > > > next folder (THE > > > NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song > > > (the song is "JUNE > > > PONA" from > > > > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said > > > " dei what a > > > song! this is > > > > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a > > > HJ musical) > > > That > > > > actually is a good song too... > > > > > > > >What i m trying to say here is that he was > > > attracted by > > > something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's > > > one..Not much > > > about the tune but the audio quality... > > > > > > > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but > > > somewhat less > > > compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the > > > moderate songs are > > > sounding
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I am reading reading and reading that Rahman's sound are not upto the mark now-a-days, and can't resists myself to post this one. What sound is not clearer in recent days? I haven't heard HJ recently, so can't comment on his works. But Rahman's sound degradation is not a thing I can agree with u all. In "yeh rista" from Minaxi, everytime it seems my eardrums are full with water when listened with ear phone. In 'Thottal poo malarum" the sound effect in 5.1 system is like nothing I've ever heard. In "Spiderman" song do u forget the quality of sound? In "yuhi chala chal rahi" have u ever found the sound of dopler effect? Whenever two cars cross in a road with blowing horns..the effect is called dopler effectwhich composer have ever used that effect in a song?? What u'll tel about the opening sound effect (not a single instrument is synthetic) of "may bhari bhari" from mangal Pandey? Is there no charming effect n "badal" song when guiter is marrying with Santoor(Or some instrument sounds like that I don't kow)? What u will be telling about the sound effect of a mere add for "Worldspace"? Don't u remember the effect of instrumental piece of the song "desh ki mitti"? Have u ever listened to background score for Mangal Pandey "Jwala theme"...I got it from this site only. The sound of Boys is outstanding The sound of "Aha" title song and the song sung by Shankar/Basundhara are fabulous. What will u tell about Innisai? Have u forget the themes of RDB, and loose control's sound? In my opinion everyday rahman's sound is getting clearerdon't u think the sound of very recent maya maya is very oldie and also very haunting. What about the sound of "Jage hai"sound of Rahman's voice is also very differntand it's music remind me John Willium's music in a animated film on Dinosors (forgot the name)..I meant the sound quality and the nature of music. I don't know why we r not happy with Rahman's sound any more? Arijit On 19/12/06, Thineshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I entirely agree with u. The quality of the sound, is lower now, so Rahman's songs dont have the same energy as they used to. There is a flaw in the recording process. I am not an expert compared to how genius he is, but this is a humble opinion. However, Guru is an exception to this, the sound quality is really good. Also, Rahman nowadays is using real instruments as we saw with ey hairathe, real instruments dont sound as clear as synthesized because its a person playing it and while recording live instruments quality is lost as opposed to producing sounds on the computer which doesnt requrie mics to record so helps to retain the quality. I think this is why HJ's sounds sound clear and audio is of better quality since he is using the same method Rahman used years ago: synthesized instruments. It will be pathetic to hear HJ if he uses the same instruments rahman does. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , suresh jayakumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could it be due to extensive use of synthesised sounds > by HJ. > > > ARR's sound feels natural in my opinion. > > --- arunsoft2k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But > > following quality > > of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from > > ARR in any other > > aspects > > > > Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of > > them sounds > > good though supported by the quality of sound. > > > > Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the > > songs. > > > > He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the > > song in most > > cases. > > > > I think he's inspiring most of the western music and > > also I feel his > > tunes are based on late 80's english pop music. > > > > "Arr is Arr". > > > > ARR is master of all the above thats why as you > > mentioned he > > is "world class".He doesn't even need great sound > > quality to prove > > that. But you are right ARR might need to try > > something more in the > > sound quality including 5.1 recording then it would > > be a additonal > > bonus for some of us. i too felt Harris soungs good > > in 5.1. i get > > surprised sometime. > > > > But nothin to worry about. > > > > Arun. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , haja nawaz > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi frenz... > > > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house > > and listened to > > GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the > > songs are nice and > > required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the > > next folder (THE > > NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song > > (the song is "JUNE > > PONA" from > > > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said > > " dei what a > > song! this is > > > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a > > HJ musical) > > That > > > actually is a good song too... > > > > > > What i m trying to say here is that he was > > attracted by > > something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's > > one..Not much > > about the tune but the audio quality... > > > >
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Muthal naal song from unnale unnale also resembles roobaroo from rang de basanti . hear the song ... http://www.oosai.com/tamilsongs/unnale_unnale_songs.cfm ruben mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i understand what you mean guy. when i research about this, i found out harris jayaraj have some advance sound system Euphonix MC Media Application Controller http://www.euphonix.com/news/news2006/100306_harris_jayaraj.htm ... compare to Rahman who only Euphonix System 5 . harris jayaraj euphonix is much more advance and used in hollywood studiosbut my question why arrahman does not own one, when he alrdy have a class studio..? hope you guys clear now abt this.. s_sundarr_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: pls join the 2 cent group harris jayaraj! guru is not loud and clear ! chk ur speakers! its very gud and the music is beyond comparision to what ennale ennale sorry unnale unnale. HJ+Jeeva = perarasu + vijay pls stop hurting people here~ cheers rahman fan, --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi frenz... > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song is "JUNE PONA" from > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a song! this is > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) That > actually is a good song too... > > What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much about the tune but the audio quality... > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are sounding great.. > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud have the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud accept this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already send a mail regarding this earlier.. > > From his first to his latest albums, all HJ songs sound louder and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a single sound... > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but qualitywise HJ is one or two steps far than our king.. > > I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt i have to accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer and something fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > > But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 songs very much in > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter sounds fresh qualitywise.. > > Why this is happening..He needs to surely look into this matter.. > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only praising the merits in the tune but also to let him know about the flaws in the songs... > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's songs have poor quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is having one of the world's well equipped studio...but i cant understand y it happens though...Again i m stressing on > " comparatively with HJ" > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > this.. > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com arvind Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php
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I entirely agree with u. The quality of the sound, is lower now, so Rahman's songs dont have the same energy as they used to. There is a flaw in the recording process. I am not an expert compared to how genius he is, but this is a humble opinion. However, Guru is an exception to this, the sound quality is really good. Also, Rahman nowadays is using real instruments as we saw with ey hairathe, real instruments dont sound as clear as synthesized because its a person playing it and while recording live instruments quality is lost as opposed to producing sounds on the computer which doesnt requrie mics to record so helps to retain the quality. I think this is why HJ's sounds sound clear and audio is of better quality since he is using the same method Rahman used years ago: synthesized instruments. It will be pathetic to hear HJ if he uses the same instruments rahman does. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, suresh jayakumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could it be due to extensive use of synthesised sounds > by HJ. > > > ARR's sound feels natural in my opinion. > > --- arunsoft2k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But > > following quality > > of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from > > ARR in any other > > aspects > > > > Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of > > them sounds > > good though supported by the quality of sound. > > > > Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the > > songs. > > > > He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the > > song in most > > cases. > > > > I think he's inspiring most of the western music and > > also I feel his > > tunes are based on late 80's english pop music. > > > > "Arr is Arr". > > > > ARR is master of all the above thats why as you > > mentioned he > > is "world class".He doesn't even need great sound > > quality to prove > > that. But you are right ARR might need to try > > something more in the > > sound quality including 5.1 recording then it would > > be a additonal > > bonus for some of us. i too felt Harris soungs good > > in 5.1. i get > > surprised sometime. > > > > But nothin to worry about. > > > > Arun. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi frenz... > > > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house > > and listened to > > GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the > > songs are nice and > > required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the > > next folder (THE > > NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song > > (the song is "JUNE > > PONA" from > > > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said > > " dei what a > > song! this is > > > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a > > HJ musical) > > That > > > actually is a good song too... > > > > > >What i m trying to say here is that he was > > attracted by > > something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's > > one..Not much > > about the tune but the audio quality... > > > > > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but > > somewhat less > > compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the > > moderate songs are > > sounding great.. > > > > > > But logically , being a World Class Music > > Director ARR shud have > > the highest audio quality but thats not true here > > ... we shud accept > > this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I > > have already > > send a mail regarding this earlier.. > > > > > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ > > songs sound louder > > and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a > > single sound... > > > > > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but > > qualitywise HJ > > is one or two steps far than our king.. > > > > > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt > > i have to > > accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer > > and something > > fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > > > > > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 > > songs very much > > in > > > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter > > sounds fresh > > qualitywise.. > > > > > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look > > into this > > matter.. > > > > > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only > > praising the > > merits in the tune but also to let him know about > > the flaws in the > > songs... > > > > > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's > > songs have poor > > quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is > > having one of > > the world's well equipped studio...but i cant > > understand y it > > happens though...Again i m stressing on > > > " comparatively with HJ" > > > > > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > > > this.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mo
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Hello Dear ARR Fans At some extent i agree with this matter that sound quality or may be music quality or we can style of ARR has been changed by the time in compair to 90's.. Even ARR was asked such qustions, and he answered too that "People will get bore to have same sound beats and music if i keep composing same style of Music", but probabely ARR dont knows that people can Die for Roja and Bomay.. it has power to create real feeling in listener.. I hope someday Bombays and Rojas will surely come back to Us. Thank you, -Viral K. Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php
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here goes my explanation.. frd unnale unnale is a ameatur album in my view.. he starts off with the strings u think u are upto a rock song but suddenly he brings in pop beats..finally makes up a song that is loud but not clear..harris in my point is recycling old christian songs.u would have noticed that the song paartha mudhal naale is an abrupt copy of the song yesu pirantharey.. quality and even in ur terms loudness wise rahman is not in the comparable distance.. hear meenaxi.. hear lakeer,tehzeeb u will feel the difference.. of course tamil has a lot of classics ..have u heard love birds of rahman except malaragale i would call it an album similar to harris.. it was popular at tht time but today no one listens to it like they listen to roja ,alaipayuthe kandukondain etc.. harris albums r all the ame like love birds.. sillenu oru kadhal had different sounds thats wht a rahman album is all about.. u get set to the sounds after repetitive hearing.. i dunt know what ur musical taste is but ppl like me would wait for new sounds in every rahman album.. guru is a classic don't compare it with unnale unnale..its like comparing pudhiya mugam and minnale.. rahman isnt missing anything.. in fact he is giving more loops to harris for free lol music is all abt hearing new sounds in different combo's so cheer up.. signs alanhadley --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "yeshrao81" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these > days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. > > If he just uses basic bass guitar, piano and drums and great > melodieshe will sound a lot more like his 90s.. > > Anyways...as for HJ...I think there is nothing else other loudness > in his recordings... > > ARR is trying somehing newbut I would suggest he uses very few > instruments...like he did in > 1. Oh vennilla (kadhal desam) > 2. Thendrale (kadhal desam) > 3. Kollaiyile (kadhalan) > 4. Minnale nee vandhu (may madham) > 5. tHEN kilakku cheemaiyile(kILAKKU Cheemaiyile) > 6. Thamila Thamila (Roja) > 7. Rasathi (Thiruda Thiruda) > 8. Vellai Pookal (KM) > 9. En mel vizhundha malai thuili (May madham) > 10. Nila Kaigiradhu (Indira) > These numbers had best melody and magical bass and guitars...HJ has > not even done anything like this so far! > > The best sound is not necessarily loud onesbut also brings in > each instrument to the listener very clearlyexample is Thiruda > Thiruda. > > But I should say...swades, bose, had great sound recording. > > Is H sridhar still doing the sound engineering for ARR? > > Thanks, > Yeshwanth > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "arunsoft2k" > wrote: > > > > I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But following quality > > of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from ARR in any other > > aspects > > > > Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of them sounds > > good though supported by the quality of sound. > > > > Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the songs. > > > > He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the song in most > > cases. > > > > I think he's inspiring most of the western music and also I feel > his > > tunes are based on late 80's english pop music. > > > > "Arr is Arr". > > > > ARR is master of all the above thats why as you mentioned he > > is "world class".He doesn't even need great sound quality to prove > > that. But you are right ARR might need to try something more in > the > > sound quality including 5.1 recording then it would be a additonal > > bonus for some of us. i too felt Harris soungs good in 5.1. i get > > surprised sometime. > > > > But nothin to worry about. > > > > Arun. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz wrote: > > > > > > Hi frenz... > > > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to > > GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and > > required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE > > NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song > is "JUNE > > PONA" from > > > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a > > song! this is > > > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) > > That > > > actually is a good song too... > > > > > >What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by > > something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much > > about the tune but the audio quality... > > > > > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less > > compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are > > sounding great.. > > > > > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud > have > > the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud > accept > > this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already > > send a mail regarding this earlier.. >
Re: [arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
i understand what you mean guy. when i research about this, i found out harris jayaraj have some advance sound system Euphonix MC Media Application Controller http://www.euphonix.com/news/news2006/100306_harris_jayaraj.htm ... compare to Rahman who only Euphonix System 5 . harris jayaraj euphonix is much more advance and used in hollywood studiosbut my question why arrahman does not own one, when he alrdy have a class studio..? hope you guys clear now abt this.. s_sundarr_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: pls join the 2 cent group harris jayaraj! guru is not loud and clear ! chk ur speakers! its very gud and the music is beyond comparision to what ennale ennale sorry unnale unnale. HJ+Jeeva = perarasu + vijay pls stop hurting people here~ cheers rahman fan, --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi frenz... > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song is "JUNE PONA" from > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a song! this is > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) That > actually is a good song too... > >What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much about the tune but the audio quality... > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are sounding great.. > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud have the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud accept this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already send a mail regarding this earlier.. > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ songs sound louder and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a single sound... > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but qualitywise HJ is one or two steps far than our king.. > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt i have to accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer and something fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 songs very much in > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter sounds fresh qualitywise.. > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look into this matter.. > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only praising the merits in the tune but also to let him know about the flaws in the songs... > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's songs have poor quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is having one of the world's well equipped studio...but i cant understand y it happens though...Again i m stressing on > " comparatively with HJ" > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > this.. > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
pls join the 2 cent group harris jayaraj! guru is not loud and clear ! chk ur speakers! its very gud and the music is beyond comparision to what ennale ennale sorry unnale unnale. HJ+Jeeva = perarasu + vijay pls stop hurting people here~ cheers rahman fan, --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi frenz... > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song is "JUNE PONA" from > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a song! this is > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) That > actually is a good song too... > >What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much about the tune but the audio quality... > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are sounding great.. > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud have the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud accept this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already send a mail regarding this earlier.. > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ songs sound louder and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a single sound... > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but qualitywise HJ is one or two steps far than our king.. > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt i have to accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer and something fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 songs very much in > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter sounds fresh qualitywise.. > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look into this matter.. > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only praising the merits in the tune but also to let him know about the flaws in the songs... > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's songs have poor quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is having one of the world's well equipped studio...but i cant understand y it happens though...Again i m stressing on > " comparatively with HJ" > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > this.. > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php >
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
Hi, I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. If he just uses basic bass guitar, piano and drums and great melodieshe will sound a lot more like his 90s.. Anyways...as for HJ...I think there is nothing else other loudness in his recordings... ARR is trying somehing newbut I would suggest he uses very few instruments...like he did in 1. Oh vennilla (kadhal desam) 2. Thendrale (kadhal desam) 3. Kollaiyile (kadhalan) 4. Minnale nee vandhu (may madham) 5. tHEN kilakku cheemaiyile(kILAKKU Cheemaiyile) 6. Thamila Thamila (Roja) 7. Rasathi (Thiruda Thiruda) 8. Vellai Pookal (KM) 9. En mel vizhundha malai thuili (May madham) 10. Nila Kaigiradhu (Indira) These numbers had best melody and magical bass and guitars...HJ has not even done anything like this so far! The best sound is not necessarily loud onesbut also brings in each instrument to the listener very clearlyexample is Thiruda Thiruda. But I should say...swades, bose, had great sound recording. Is H sridhar still doing the sound engineering for ARR? Thanks, Yeshwanth --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "arunsoft2k" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But following quality > of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from ARR in any other > aspects > > Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of them sounds > good though supported by the quality of sound. > > Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the songs. > > He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the song in most > cases. > > I think he's inspiring most of the western music and also I feel his > tunes are based on late 80's english pop music. > > "Arr is Arr". > > ARR is master of all the above thats why as you mentioned he > is "world class".He doesn't even need great sound quality to prove > that. But you are right ARR might need to try something more in the > sound quality including 5.1 recording then it would be a additonal > bonus for some of us. i too felt Harris soungs good in 5.1. i get > surprised sometime. > > But nothin to worry about. > > Arun. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz wrote: > > > > Hi frenz... > > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to > GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and > required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE > NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song is "JUNE > PONA" from > > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a > song! this is > > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) > That > > actually is a good song too... > > > >What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by > something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much > about the tune but the audio quality... > > > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less > compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are > sounding great.. > > > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud have > the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud accept > this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already > send a mail regarding this earlier.. > > > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ songs sound louder > and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a single sound... > > > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but qualitywise HJ > is one or two steps far than our king.. > > > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt i have to > accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer and something > fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > > > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 songs very much > in > > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter sounds fresh > qualitywise.. > > > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look into this > matter.. > > > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only praising the > merits in the tune but also to let him know about the flaws in the > songs... > > > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's songs have poor > quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is having one of > the world's well equipped studio...but i cant understand y it > happens though...Again i m stressing on > > " comparatively with HJ" > > > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > > this.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! > Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php > > >
Re: [arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
Could it be due to extensive use of synthesised sounds by HJ. ARR's sound feels natural in my opinion. --- arunsoft2k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But > following quality > of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from > ARR in any other > aspects > > Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of > them sounds > good though supported by the quality of sound. > > Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the > songs. > > He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the > song in most > cases. > > I think he's inspiring most of the western music and > also I feel his > tunes are based on late 80's english pop music. > > "Arr is Arr". > > ARR is master of all the above thats why as you > mentioned he > is "world class".He doesn't even need great sound > quality to prove > that. But you are right ARR might need to try > something more in the > sound quality including 5.1 recording then it would > be a additonal > bonus for some of us. i too felt Harris soungs good > in 5.1. i get > surprised sometime. > > But nothin to worry about. > > Arun. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi frenz... > > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house > and listened to > GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the > songs are nice and > required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the > next folder (THE > NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song > (the song is "JUNE > PONA" from > > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said > " dei what a > song! this is > > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a > HJ musical) > That > > actually is a good song too... > > > >What i m trying to say here is that he was > attracted by > something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's > one..Not much > about the tune but the audio quality... > > > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but > somewhat less > compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the > moderate songs are > sounding great.. > > > > But logically , being a World Class Music > Director ARR shud have > the highest audio quality but thats not true here > ... we shud accept > this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I > have already > send a mail regarding this earlier.. > > > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ > songs sound louder > and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a > single sound... > > > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but > qualitywise HJ > is one or two steps far than our king.. > > > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt > i have to > accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer > and something > fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > > > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 > songs very much > in > > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter > sounds fresh > qualitywise.. > > > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look > into this > matter.. > > > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only > praising the > merits in the tune but also to let him know about > the flaws in the > songs... > > > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's > songs have poor > quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is > having one of > the world's well equipped studio...but i cant > understand y it > happens though...Again i m stressing on > > " comparatively with HJ" > > > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > > this.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your > Yahoo! > Messenger. Download Now! > http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
hmm guys...a good topic of discussion...to tell u the truth,this has been missing in ARR's quality ever since 2002 not sure y,but yea,quality wise,some of his audio,lacks that diamond clearness that his songs used to have in the 90s. when i just pick a song from his 90s albumWHOA...a huge difference in clearness wise its just based on a 2.1 channel audio system... and comparing it to Hj's Unnale just my request,plz do not compare anything that is ARR with HJ i just listened to the Unnale Unnale songs , sounds very monotonous though and the instrumetns & beats r just so boring,except Mudhal Naal,which seem to be inspired from Boss's Rubaroo, and Vaigasi Nilave is the only good once in the album the clearness quality too somehow lacks,but yea...its somehow CLEARER than some of ARR's album hope ARR will look into this matter. the final verdict would be his 90s album sounded more clearer compared to now...no?!
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR
I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But following quality of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from ARR in any other aspects Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of them sounds good though supported by the quality of sound. Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the songs. He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the song in most cases. I think he's inspiring most of the western music and also I feel his tunes are based on late 80's english pop music. "Arr is Arr". ARR is master of all the above thats why as you mentioned he is "world class".He doesn't even need great sound quality to prove that. But you are right ARR might need to try something more in the sound quality including 5.1 recording then it would be a additonal bonus for some of us. i too felt Harris soungs good in 5.1. i get surprised sometime. But nothin to worry about. Arun. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, haja nawaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi frenz... > Yesterday evening my frend came to my house and listened to GURU songs..He heard the songs and said that the songs are nice and required time to grow on u..Then he moved to the next folder (THE NAME OF THE FOLDER IS "NEW FOLDER")and put a song (the song is "JUNE PONA" from > "UNNALE UNNALE" , A HJ musical) and atonce said " dei what a song! this is > from which film ?" ( he didnt know that it is a HJ musical) That > actually is a good song too... > >What i m trying to say here is that he was attracted by something in the HJ song that is lacking in ARR's one..Not much about the tune but the audio quality... > > I am not saying ARR has poor audio quality but somewhat less compared to HJ..With HJ's audio quality even the moderate songs are sounding great.. > > But logically , being a World Class Music Director ARR shud have the highest audio quality but thats not true here ... we shud accept this fact even as a ARR fan although it is harsh...I have already send a mail regarding this earlier.. > >From his first to his latest albums, all HJ songs sound louder and most importantly very clear..We wont lose even a single sound... > > Tunewise ARR is king..he is more than that..but qualitywise HJ is one or two steps far than our king.. > >I was heartbroken upon my frend's reaction..BUt i have to accept one fact that UNNALE sounds louder ,clearer and something fresh in my CREATIVE 5.1 speakers compared to GURU > >But i dont say GURU is of low quality..i love 5 songs very much in > guru but only 2 songs in UNNALE..But the latter sounds fresh qualitywise.. > >Why this is happening..He needs to surely look into this matter.. > > Guyz as a true fan we should not stop at only praising the merits in the tune but also to let him know about the flaws in the songs... > > Guys again i m saying that i dont say that ARR's songs have poor quality or less quality ... There is no doubt he is having one of the world's well equipped studio...but i cant understand y it happens though...Again i m stressing on > " comparatively with HJ" > > Ok guyz i m expecting ur comment on > this.. > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php >
