Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[Tamiliniyan]

http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSTRE5970QC20091008
Tech credits are solid, with the film representing the American debut of Indian 
superstar film composer A.R. Rahman ("Slumdog Millionaire"). His is an 
efficient though relatively unmemorable job, the only hint of his Indian roots 
coming in the almost superfluous sequences involving Reno's "couples whisperer."

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Tamiliniyan  wrote:

From: Tamiliniyan 
Subject: Re: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 1:15 PM












 
 





  http://www.ahmedaba dmirror.com/ index.aspx? 
page=article§id=56&contentid=200910112 0091011000754187 481e865d§xslt=
A R Rahman’s first post-Slumdog project, Couples Retreat, is a complete waste 
of his talent; the music is deep in the background and does nothing to enhance 
the film


Why did Rahman take three months, composing sounds which hardly matter in the 
film? Why did the producers hire him from the pool of composers in Hollywood? 
Was Rahman supposed to add prestige to what was perceived as a weak project? 
And why did Rahman accept this film as his first post-Oscars project? Was it 
just for money? And is money
 that important for Rahman at this stage in his life and career? 

These are questions that all of his fans should be asking.
 . . . .
--- On Sat, 10/10/09, jemsheed  wrote:

From: jemsheed 
Subject: Re: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 5:35 PM












 
 


  i remember an interview by ARR, he said the same he feels 
that his music sounds repetitive.
We had thread here about that.
Its right at least if you take the albums together Yuvraj/JTYJ/ Ghajini .
Thanks for Jodha Akbar and Delhi-6.

I know its too much but i am waiting for a Hollywood output like 'Finding 
Neverland' from ARR. 
Its my wish. :)
--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Farzad Khaleel  wrote:

From: Farzad Khaleel 
Subject: Re: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 5:58 PM






 


  >> Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too 
predictable hence feels repetitive.Personal ly i found the 'Sajana' song from 
CR in most of the parts sounds cliche. Missing the haunting interludes, more 
hip hop styled ,no orchestration at all, easy to sing

Agreed with you Jemsheed. I still remember those old days when people never 
used to attempt ARR songs in stage shows as they know that it would be a 
complete mess and its not that easy to sing. But nowadays some songs can be 
easily hummed by anyone. But it doesn't mean that ARR has ran out of his 
standards.

I strongly feel that earlier we had less means to hear music. A song can be 
heard only once from home a day. Because we will be busy with our works and we 
cannot carry our tape recorder everywhere. So it gained soul and lasted long.

But when Ipods. Mobiles, Car stereos and various other means came in, we are 
listening ARR songs everywhere. When we travel in Cars, songs are played in car 
stereos, when we work Ipods are beside. So definitely when we are repetitively 
playing some songs in loop. It sounds repetitive and we will definitely skip 
the albums so fast, and wait for the next one to release. We cannot complain us 
or ARR regarding this matter. Because as a human being like us, he doesn't know 
how to satisfy different music listeners of different taste.




On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:09 AM, jemsheed  wrote:













 





  

Just see the thread 'Listen to Raavan's song by Aishwarya Rai'
somebody tagged  a song as 'AR's'. Some of the guys started review it ,they 
liked it..comments says nice and simple work from ARR.


Just tag anything 'ARR', sell it here..

and the point,



"Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason." is a valid one..that need 
a discussion.

Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too predictable hence 
feels repetitive.Personal ly i found the 'Sajana' song from CR in most of the 
parts sounds cliche.


Missing the haunting interludes, more hip hop styled ,no orchestration at all, 
easy to sing(may be no use of ragas or simple use of ragas).
But all the songs are listenable but not having that much life.

Let us have an healthy discussion.


--- On Fri, 9/10/09, sriramvr_in  wrote:


From: sriramvr_in 

Subject: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 11:25 PM






 


  Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently 
listening to the comments made about me reg.

Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[Tamiliniyan]

http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/index.aspx?page=article§id=56&contentid=2009101120091011000754187481e865d§xslt=
A R Rahman’s first post-Slumdog project, Couples Retreat, is a complete waste 
of his talent; the music is deep in the background and does nothing to enhance 
the film


Why did Rahman take three months, composing sounds which hardly matter in the 
film? Why did the producers hire him from the pool of composers in Hollywood? 
Was Rahman supposed to add prestige to what was perceived as a weak project? 
And why did Rahman accept this film as his first post-Oscars project? Was it 
just for money? And is money that important for Rahman at this stage in his 
life and career? 

These are questions that all of his fans should be asking.

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, jemsheed  wrote:

From: jemsheed 
Subject: Re: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 5:35 PM












 
 





  i remember an interview by ARR, he said the same he feels 
that his music sounds repetitive.
We had thread here about that.
Its right at least if you take the albums together Yuvraj/JTYJ/ Ghajini .
Thanks for Jodha Akbar and Delhi-6.

I know its too much but i am waiting for a Hollywood output like 'Finding 
Neverland' from ARR. 
Its my wish. :)
--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Farzad Khaleel  wrote:

From: Farzad Khaleel 
Subject: Re: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 5:58 PM






 


  >> Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too 
predictable hence feels repetitive.Personal ly i found the 'Sajana' song from 
CR in most of the parts sounds cliche. Missing the haunting interludes, more 
hip hop styled ,no orchestration at all, easy to sing

Agreed with you Jemsheed. I still remember those old days when people never 
used to attempt ARR songs in stage shows as they know that it would be a 
complete mess and its not that easy to sing. But nowadays some songs can be 
easily hummed by anyone. But it doesn't mean that ARR has ran out of his 
standards.

I strongly feel that earlier we had less means to hear music. A song can be 
heard only once from home a day. Because we will be busy with our works and we 
cannot carry our tape recorder everywhere. So it gained soul and lasted long.

But when Ipods. Mobiles, Car stereos and various other means came in, we are 
listening ARR songs everywhere. When we travel in Cars, songs are played in car 
stereos, when we work Ipods are beside. So definitely when we are repetitively 
playing some songs in loop. It sounds repetitive and we will definitely skip 
the albums so fast, and wait for the next one to release. We cannot complain us 
or ARR regarding this matter. Because as a human being like us, he doesn't know 
how to satisfy different music listeners of different taste.




On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:09 AM, jemsheed  wrote:













 





  

Just see the thread 'Listen to Raavan's song by Aishwarya Rai'
somebody tagged  a song as 'AR's'. Some of the guys started review it ,they 
liked it..comments says nice and simple work from ARR.


Just tag anything 'ARR', sell it here..

and the point,



"Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason." is a valid one..that need 
a discussion.

Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too predictable hence 
feels repetitive.Personal ly i found the 'Sajana' song from CR in most of the 
parts sounds cliche.


Missing the haunting interludes, more hip hop styled ,no orchestration at all, 
easy to sing(may be no use of ragas or simple use of ragas).
But all the songs are listenable but not having that much life.

Let us have an healthy discussion.


--- On Fri, 9/10/09, sriramvr_in  wrote:


From: sriramvr_in 

Subject: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 11:25 PM






 


  Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently 
listening to the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue "lacking 
soul". I Stand by the fact anytime, anyday.. Unfortunately there isn't anything 
which I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish them luck and 
prosperity throughout their life.



Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that many 
new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR fans have the 
right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will be only a healthy 
leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly welcomed by the Master 
himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many members who like constru

Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[ichord]

Rivjot,

I didn't include Blue because having it in my list wouldn't strengthen my 
argument since this guy has written Blue off already.  I love Blue's 
music.can't get away from it and I think Bhoola Tujhe is very soulful.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Rivjot"  wrote:
>
> Very well said Roshan, I was writing something similar then read this.
> 
> @ chord - You didnt include a single song from Blue in that list, which I 
> guess speaks for a lot of things. 
> 
> @sriramvr_in - You are right, everyone should have right to express his/her 
> opinion and nobody should try to force his/her opinion on others (as it just 
> doesnt work). 
> But you changed your statement mate! Now you saying that Blue album (only) 
> lacks souls and earlier you were saying Blue AND RECENT ALBUMS (recent albums 
> were Delhi 6, Yuvvraaj, Slumdog) lack soul.. so there is a HUGE difference. 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Roshan  wrote:
> >
> > Sriram,
> > 
> > Your intentions may have been good. but I wouldn't classify saying "recent
> > albums of AR Rahman lacking soul" as a constructive criticism.  it merely
> > says that you didn't like the recent albums while the entire nation has been
> > loving these soul-less songs.
> > 
> > Criticism is welcomed by everyone. but you have to choose words carefully
> > when doing that. these albums you said are lacking soul, happened to have
> > some of the greatest songs. how can you say that Masakali, Dil Gira Daftan,
> > Ishq Ada Hai, Meharbaan, Hawa Sun Hawa, songs of Jodha Akhabr and many, many
> > more gems like these are soul-less ?
> > 
> > you can say that you didn't like them, but then again, if you didn't like
> > them, just simply skip it.  You don't have to force yourself to listen to
> > something and then complain about it.
> > 
> > Here is a sample of constructive criticism if you would like
> > 
> > I didn't like Ae Bachoo from Gajini, because I thought the song was trying
> > hard to be a hard-rock kind of song but the tune didn't fit quiet well for
> > that format.  I also think that the guitar solo could have been a bit more
> > long and melodious.
> > 
> > But, I do love Behka. the tune was simple, even I could sing along with it..
> > and when the Saxophone kicked in, I was like.. WOW
> > 
> > 
> > But imagine what would happen is I said Ghajini album is soul-less. I cannot
> > do that. Because there is one gem of a song in it. I skip songs I didn't
> > like, i listen to the song I love.
> > 
> > Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that many
> > new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days!
> > 
> > 
> > Here again, don't classify people as old members and new members. it implies
> > that the group used to be great once but the new members ruined it.
> > 
> > Try to get along with us new members :)  and you will see that we are no
> > different than you old pals
> > 
> > cheers
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:25 PM, sriramvr_in  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently listening to
> > > the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue "lacking soul". I
> > > Stand by the fact anytime, anyday. Unfortunately there isn't anything 
> > > which
> > > I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish them luck and
> > > prosperity throughout their life.
> > >
> > > Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that
> > > many new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR fans
> > > have the right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will be
> > > only a healthy leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly welcomed
> > > by the Master himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many members who
> > > like constructive criticisms these years.
> > >
> > > Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
> > > carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
> > > eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason.
> > >
> > > What justification to be given when it simply lacks "soul"?
> > >
> > > V R Sriram
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > ---
> > http://ramblingsoul.com
> > http://2ic.in
> >
>

Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[ichord]

Roshan, I completely agree with you!

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Roshan  wrote:
>
> I don't agree with you people at all.
> 
> Lack of orchestra and interludes ?
> 
> Guys, just remember this.. AR is composing for films, he is not making
> classical music. He picks the instruments based on what the requirement is
> for the movie. so, don't expect to have a full orchestra playing all the
> songs for a movie like Blue.  But still, listen to the tracks like Itinerary
> from CR, that Continium piece in Rehna Tu, the Flute interludes in Hawa Sun
> Hawa, the orchestral arrangements of Tu Muskura..  the Sax in Tu Bole...
> etc..
> 
> Come on.. two minutes of awesomeness in Rehna Tu,  the soulful tune and
> equally brilliant singing in Dil Gira Daftan,  if yall think that these
> songs sound too repetitive, i will probably go an check my ears. :)
> 
> I just don't get it when people complain about  ar loosing his touch or
> becoming repetitive. For me, I think rahman became more versatile now.  he
> has reached a stage now that he can decide not to have a indian style
> interlude for a song like Sajna.  there is absolutely no need for it.  it is
> a western song and you don;t get to hear much interludes in a R&B or Soul
> singing.  because, simply there is no need for it in that genre. "Less is
> More"
> 
> 
> And I think, all type of music, whether it is WEstern classical, Carnatic or
> Hindustani or japanese or chinese, have their own charm and beauty.  if a
> song doesn't have Carnatic Raga in it, it is not going to become soul-less.
> I am sure Western and Hindustani music can also bring soul to a song.
> 
> for anyone who has doubts, Listen to the track called "One man's dream" by
> Yanni
> 
> That's just my opinion
> 
> :)
>

Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[Roshan]

I don't agree with you people at all.

Lack of orchestra and interludes ?

Guys, just remember this.. AR is composing for films, he is not making
classical music. He picks the instruments based on what the requirement is
for the movie. so, don't expect to have a full orchestra playing all the
songs for a movie like Blue.  But still, listen to the tracks like Itinerary
from CR, that Continium piece in Rehna Tu, the Flute interludes in Hawa Sun
Hawa, the orchestral arrangements of Tu Muskura..  the Sax in Tu Bole...
etc..

Come on.. two minutes of awesomeness in Rehna Tu,  the soulful tune and
equally brilliant singing in Dil Gira Daftan,  if yall think that these
songs sound too repetitive, i will probably go an check my ears. :)

I just don't get it when people complain about  ar loosing his touch or
becoming repetitive. For me, I think rahman became more versatile now.  he
has reached a stage now that he can decide not to have a indian style
interlude for a song like Sajna.  there is absolutely no need for it.  it is
a western song and you don;t get to hear much interludes in a R&B or Soul
singing.  because, simply there is no need for it in that genre. "Less is
More"


And I think, all type of music, whether it is WEstern classical, Carnatic or
Hindustani or japanese or chinese, have their own charm and beauty.  if a
song doesn't have Carnatic Raga in it, it is not going to become soul-less.
I am sure Western and Hindustani music can also bring soul to a song.

for anyone who has doubts, Listen to the track called "One man's dream" by
Yanni

That's just my opinion

:)

Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[jemsheed]

i remember an interview by ARR, he said the same he feels that his music sounds 
repetitive.
We had thread here about that.
Its right at least if you take the albums together Yuvraj/JTYJ/Ghajini .
Thanks for Jodha Akbar and Delhi-6.

I know its too much but i am waiting for a Hollywood output like 'Finding 
Neverland' from ARR. 
Its my wish. :)
--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Farzad Khaleel  wrote:

From: Farzad Khaleel 
Subject: Re: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 5:58 PM






 





  >> Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too 
predictable hence feels repetitive.Personal ly i found the 'Sajana' song from 
CR in most of the parts sounds cliche. Missing the haunting interludes, more 
hip hop styled ,no orchestration at all, easy to sing

Agreed with you Jemsheed. I still remember those old days when people never 
used to attempt ARR songs in stage shows as they know that it would be a 
complete mess and its not that easy to sing. But nowadays some songs can be 
easily hummed by anyone. But it doesn't mean that ARR has ran out of his 
standards.

I strongly feel that earlier we had less means to hear music. A song can be 
heard only once from home a day. Because we will be busy with our works and we 
cannot carry our tape recorder everywhere. So it gained soul and lasted long.

But when Ipods. Mobiles, Car stereos and various other means came in, we are 
listening ARR songs everywhere. When we travel in Cars, songs are played in car 
stereos, when we work Ipods are beside. So definitely when we are repetitively 
playing some songs in loop. It sounds repetitive and we will definitely skip 
the albums so fast, and wait for the next one to release. We cannot complain us 
or ARR regarding this matter. Because as a human being like us, he doesn't know 
how to satisfy different music listeners of different taste.




On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:09 AM, jemsheed  wrote:













 





  

Just see the thread 'Listen to Raavan's song by Aishwarya Rai'
somebody tagged  a song as 'AR's'. Some of the guys started review it ,they 
liked it..comments says nice and simple work from ARR.


Just tag anything 'ARR', sell it here..

and the point,



"Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason." is a valid one..that need 
a discussion.

Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too predictable hence 
feels repetitive.Personal ly i found the 'Sajana' song from CR in most of the 
parts sounds cliche.


Missing the haunting interludes, more hip hop styled ,no orchestration at all, 
easy to sing(may be no use of ragas or simple use of ragas).
But all the songs are listenable but not having that much life.

Let us have an healthy discussion.


--- On Fri, 9/10/09, sriramvr_in  wrote:


From: sriramvr_in 

Subject: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 11:25 PM






 


  Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently 
listening to the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue "lacking 
soul". I Stand by the fact anytime, anyday.. Unfortunately there isn't anything 
which I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish them luck and 
prosperity throughout their life.



Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that many 
new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR fans have the 
right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will be only a healthy 
leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly welcomed by the Master 
himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many members who like constructive 
criticisms these years.



Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of carnatic 
raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an eye-opener and 
will help in identifying the reason. 


What justification to be given when it simply lacks "soul"? 


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Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[Rivjot]

Very well said Roshan, I was writing something similar then read this.

@ chord - You didnt include a single song from Blue in that list, which I guess 
speaks for a lot of things. 

@sriramvr_in - You are right, everyone should have right to express his/her 
opinion and nobody should try to force his/her opinion on others (as it just 
doesnt work). 
But you changed your statement mate! Now you saying that Blue album (only) 
lacks souls and earlier you were saying Blue AND RECENT ALBUMS (recent albums 
were Delhi 6, Yuvvraaj, Slumdog) lack soul.. so there is a HUGE difference. 

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Roshan  wrote:
>
> Sriram,
> 
> Your intentions may have been good. but I wouldn't classify saying "recent
> albums of AR Rahman lacking soul" as a constructive criticism.  it merely
> says that you didn't like the recent albums while the entire nation has been
> loving these soul-less songs.
> 
> Criticism is welcomed by everyone. but you have to choose words carefully
> when doing that. these albums you said are lacking soul, happened to have
> some of the greatest songs. how can you say that Masakali, Dil Gira Daftan,
> Ishq Ada Hai, Meharbaan, Hawa Sun Hawa, songs of Jodha Akhabr and many, many
> more gems like these are soul-less ?
> 
> you can say that you didn't like them, but then again, if you didn't like
> them, just simply skip it.  You don't have to force yourself to listen to
> something and then complain about it.
> 
> Here is a sample of constructive criticism if you would like
> 
> I didn't like Ae Bachoo from Gajini, because I thought the song was trying
> hard to be a hard-rock kind of song but the tune didn't fit quiet well for
> that format.  I also think that the guitar solo could have been a bit more
> long and melodious.
> 
> But, I do love Behka. the tune was simple, even I could sing along with it..
> and when the Saxophone kicked in, I was like.. WOW
> 
> 
> But imagine what would happen is I said Ghajini album is soul-less. I cannot
> do that. Because there is one gem of a song in it. I skip songs I didn't
> like, i listen to the song I love.
> 
> Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that many
> new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days!
> 
> 
> Here again, don't classify people as old members and new members. it implies
> that the group used to be great once but the new members ruined it.
> 
> Try to get along with us new members :)  and you will see that we are no
> different than you old pals
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:25 PM, sriramvr_in  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently listening to
> > the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue "lacking soul". I
> > Stand by the fact anytime, anyday. Unfortunately there isn't anything which
> > I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish them luck and
> > prosperity throughout their life.
> >
> > Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that
> > many new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR fans
> > have the right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will be
> > only a healthy leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly welcomed
> > by the Master himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many members who
> > like constructive criticisms these years.
> >
> > Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
> > carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
> > eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason.
> >
> > What justification to be given when it simply lacks "soul"?
> >
> > V R Sriram
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ---
> http://ramblingsoul.com
> http://2ic.in
>

Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[Farzad Khaleel]

*>> **Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too predictable
hence feels repetitive.Personally i found the 'Sajana' song from CR in most
of the parts sounds cliche. Missing the haunting interludes, more hip hop
styled ,no orchestration at all, easy to sing*
Agreed with you Jemsheed. I still remember those old days when people never
used to attempt ARR songs in stage shows as they know that it would be a
complete mess and its not that easy to sing. But nowadays some songs can be
easily hummed by anyone. But it doesn't mean that ARR has ran out of his
standards.

I strongly feel that earlier we had less means to hear music. A song can be
heard only once from home a day. Because we will be busy with our works and
we cannot carry our tape recorder everywhere. So it gained soul and lasted
long.

But when Ipods. Mobiles, Car stereos and various other means came in, we are
listening ARR songs everywhere. When we travel in Cars, songs are played in
car stereos, when we work Ipods are beside. So definitely when we are
repetitively playing some songs in loop. It sounds repetitive and we will
definitely skip the albums so fast, and wait for the next one to release. We
cannot complain us or ARR regarding this matter. Because as a human being
like us, he doesn't know how to satisfy different music listeners of
different taste.



On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:09 AM, jemsheed  wrote:

>
>
>
> Just see the thread 'Listen to Raavan's song by Aishwarya Rai'
> somebody tagged  a song as 'AR's'. Some of the guys started review it ,they
> liked it..comments says nice and simple work from ARR.
>
> Just tag anything 'ARR', sell it here..
>
> and the point,
>
> "Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
> carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
> eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason." is a valid one..that
> need a discussion.
>
> Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too predictable hence
> feels repetitive.Personally i found the 'Sajana' song from CR in most of the
> parts sounds cliche.
>
> Missing the haunting interludes, more hip hop styled ,no orchestration at
> all, easy to sing(may be no use of ragas or simple use of ragas).
> But all the songs are listenable but not having that much life.
>
> Let us have an healthy discussion.
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/10/09, sriramvr_in * wrote:
>
>
> From: sriramvr_in 
> Subject: [arr] Right to opinion.
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 11:25 PM
>
>
>
> Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently listening to
> the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue "lacking soul". I
> Stand by the fact anytime, anyday.. Unfortunately there isn't anything which
> I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish them luck and
> prosperity throughout their life.
>
> Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that
> many new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR fans
> have the right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will be
> only a healthy leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly welcomed
> by the Master himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many members who
> like constructive criticisms these years.
>
> Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
> carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
> eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason.
>
> What justification to be given when it simply lacks "soul"?
>
> V R Sriram
>
>
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Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[Roshan]

Sriram,

Your intentions may have been good. but I wouldn't classify saying "recent
albums of AR Rahman lacking soul" as a constructive criticism.  it merely
says that you didn't like the recent albums while the entire nation has been
loving these soul-less songs.

Criticism is welcomed by everyone. but you have to choose words carefully
when doing that. these albums you said are lacking soul, happened to have
some of the greatest songs. how can you say that Masakali, Dil Gira Daftan,
Ishq Ada Hai, Meharbaan, Hawa Sun Hawa, songs of Jodha Akhabr and many, many
more gems like these are soul-less ?

you can say that you didn't like them, but then again, if you didn't like
them, just simply skip it.  You don't have to force yourself to listen to
something and then complain about it.

Here is a sample of constructive criticism if you would like

I didn't like Ae Bachoo from Gajini, because I thought the song was trying
hard to be a hard-rock kind of song but the tune didn't fit quiet well for
that format.  I also think that the guitar solo could have been a bit more
long and melodious.

But, I do love Behka. the tune was simple, even I could sing along with it..
and when the Saxophone kicked in, I was like.. WOW


But imagine what would happen is I said Ghajini album is soul-less. I cannot
do that. Because there is one gem of a song in it. I skip songs I didn't
like, i listen to the song I love.

Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that many
new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days!


Here again, don't classify people as old members and new members. it implies
that the group used to be great once but the new members ruined it.

Try to get along with us new members :)  and you will see that we are no
different than you old pals

cheers





On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:25 PM, sriramvr_in  wrote:

>
>
> Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently listening to
> the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue "lacking soul". I
> Stand by the fact anytime, anyday. Unfortunately there isn't anything which
> I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish them luck and
> prosperity throughout their life.
>
> Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that
> many new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR fans
> have the right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will be
> only a healthy leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly welcomed
> by the Master himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many members who
> like constructive criticisms these years.
>
> Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
> carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
> eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason.
>
> What justification to be given when it simply lacks "soul"?
>
> V R Sriram
>
>  
>



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Re: [arr] Right to opinion.

[jemsheed]

Just see the thread 'Listen to Raavan's song by Aishwarya Rai'
somebody tagged  a song as 'AR's'. Some of the guys started review it ,they 
liked it..comments says nice and simple work from ARR.

Just tag anything 'ARR', sell it here..

and the point,


"Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of
carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an
eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason." is a valid one..that need 
a discussion.

Personally what i felt is nowadays ARR's song became too predictable hence 
feels repetitive.Personally i found the 'Sajana' song from CR in most of the 
parts sounds cliche.

Missing the haunting interludes, more hip hop styled ,no orchestration at all, 
easy to sing(may be no use of ragas or simple use of ragas).
But all the songs are listenable but not having that much life.

Let us have an healthy discussion.

--- On Fri, 9/10/09, sriramvr_in  wrote:

From: sriramvr_in 
Subject: [arr] Right to opinion.
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 11:25 PM






 





  Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently 
listening to the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue "lacking 
soul". I Stand by the fact anytime, anyday. Unfortunately there isn't anything 
which I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish them luck and 
prosperity throughout their life.



Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact that many 
new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR fans have the 
right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will be only a healthy 
leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly welcomed by the Master 
himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many members who like constructive 
criticisms these years.



Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage of carnatic 
raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an eye-opener and 
will help in identifying the reason. 



What justification to be given when it simply lacks "soul"? 



V R Sriram




 

  




 

















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