Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy
ARR is not going to win Grammy/Oscar composing for Indian films, bcos these awards recognize English movies/music predominantly. If he does more 'pure' Hollywood movies, then may be there's a realistic chance. ~RS On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We all fans wish that our man wins each and every award in the world at > least once. May he be the first Oscar winning Indian, may he be the > first Grammy winning Indian, for music. > > Of course, he is very capable and has given a widest variety of types of > music/ songs, yet, yet, yet - the fact remains that there is no Oscar/ > Grammy nomination for him till date. > > Could it be that ARR is inherently lacking something, if not in musical > capabilities, but in terms of vision, that is stopping him from coming > up with some Oscar/ Grammy music? > > Has ARR reached a plateau where he just repeating old wine in new > bottle, which still sounds good, but is not worthy of reaching world > audience? > > This groups membership, I think, is of 20-35 age-group, 99.999% males, > well conversant in English/ Net/ PC, mostly middle to upper class. > Doesn't that sound very narrow band of entire population of world? We do > not represent humanity of world. > > We might remain frogs in a well praising ARR no ends, but we don't even > represent even Indian masses, not to speak of representing entire world. > -- > The major drawback -- and it is beyond ARR's control, is indeed the > language. Being here, he has to compose in Indian language and Indian > languages songs do not reach non-Indians, do not get popular enough > worldwide to the level to get a nomination for world level awards like > Oscar/ Grammy, etc. > > It could be a given that some English composition has any chance of > getting any world level award. Of course, several non-english songs/ > music had become immensely popular, but I do not really know how many of > them could even get nominated, let alone win. > > And then, some unique appeal is needed in a song for it to touch the > hearts of billions of people from several countries, races, age groups. > A Vandematarm might earn respectability from every Indian, but it might > not mean a thing at all for rest of 150 countries (how many are there?) > > And I am sad to observe that his non-film and non-Indian-Language > compositions are not becoming popular enough to come to the notice of > the world. Most of my friends have not even heard of "Pray for My > Brother", Warriors of Heaven and Earth, while Bombay dreams is known but > not heard. And the worst part is bad planning on part of producers, > rights-owner that they don't even bother to plan, let alone create and > release videos of ARR's non-film songs. > > So, if you are asked to mention some songs of ARR, any language, that > you think has such worldwide appeal that it could got nominated or could > won a world level award, which it could not -- but for language > handicap, which songs you would mention? > > In summary, which ARR songs you think are Oscar/ Grammy worthy? > > Please give an elaborate, factual "why". Just saying "I like it so much" > would not help much. > > -- > V > > >
Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy
Also Bombay Dreams had some great songs which should be recognised by west and Grammy pepole. 'How many stars' was pure western classial wonder by Rahman (others have shade of Indian/bollywood music). Don't know how many times I have hummed the whole 'how many stars' song in perfect pitch :).. It's sweet and short western classical song by ARR, which most of westerners like to perform on stage.. I got a nice video on youtube for this song performance.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcXbDSad4AA --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * A Vandematarm might earn respectability from every Indian, but it might > not mean a thing at all for rest of 150 countries (how many are there?)* > > Vandemataram (ARR Version) is the second most popular song in the world. > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We all fans wish that our man wins each and every award in the world at > > least once. May he be the first Oscar winning Indian, may he be the > > first Grammy winning Indian, for music. > > > > Of course, he is very capable and has given a widest variety of types of > > music/ songs, yet, yet, yet - the fact remains that there is no Oscar/ > > Grammy nomination for him till date. > > > > Could it be that ARR is inherently lacking something, if not in musical > > capabilities, but in terms of vision, that is stopping him from coming > > up with some Oscar/ Grammy music? > > > > Has ARR reached a plateau where he just repeating old wine in new > > bottle, which still sounds good, but is not worthy of reaching world > > audience? > > > > This groups membership, I think, is of 20-35 age-group, 99.999% males, > > well conversant in English/ Net/ PC, mostly middle to upper class. > > Doesn't that sound very narrow band of entire population of world? We do > > not represent humanity of world. > > > > We might remain frogs in a well praising ARR no ends, but we don't even > > represent even Indian masses, not to speak of representing entire world. > > -- > > The major drawback -- and it is beyond ARR's control, is indeed the > > language. Being here, he has to compose in Indian language and Indian > > languages songs do not reach non-Indians, do not get popular enough > > worldwide to the level to get a nomination for world level awards like > > Oscar/ Grammy, etc. > > > > It could be a given that some English composition has any chance of > > getting any world level award. Of course, several non-english songs/ > > music had become immensely popular, but I do not really know how many of > > them could even get nominated, let alone win. > > > > And then, some unique appeal is needed in a song for it to touch the > > hearts of billions of people from several countries, races, age groups. > > A Vandematarm might earn respectability from every Indian, but it might > > not mean a thing at all for rest of 150 countries (how many are there?) > > > > And I am sad to observe that his non-film and non-Indian-Language > > compositions are not becoming popular enough to come to the notice of > > the world. Most of my friends have not even heard of "Pray for My > > Brother", Warriors of Heaven and Earth, while Bombay dreams is known but > > not heard. And the worst part is bad planning on part of producers, > > rights-owner that they don't even bother to plan, let alone create and > > release videos of ARR's non-film songs. > > > > So, if you are asked to mention some songs of ARR, any language, that > > you think has such worldwide appeal that it could got nominated or could > > won a world level award, which it could not -- but for language > > handicap, which songs you would mention? > > > > In summary, which ARR songs you think are Oscar/ Grammy worthy? > > > > Please give an elaborate, factual "why". Just saying "I like it so much" > > would not help much. > > > > -- > > V > > > > > > >
Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy
We should accept that fact that what has been not achieved by the old music personalities for last 77 years, it is achieved by ARR. For example the great music directors of hindi films like Roshan, Naushad and so on were very rarely known to the south audience. And the good south composers like Ilyaraja were not known by the north Indians. But ARR dissolved the boundaries of the territories and lead his music known by the entire India. ANK --- On Sat, 6/28/08, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 9:59 AM > On 6/28/2008 9:24 AM India Time, _NAVEEN KUMAR_ wrote: > > > I didn’t understand what this mean “repeating old > wine in a new > > bottle” although it is perfectly alright for the > other music > > directors like Anu malik, Himesh Reshamiya, Preetam, > Rajesh Roshan > > etc. who not only repeating the old wine but also > steeling the wine > > from the other parts of the world. On the contrary, > whenever I > > listen a new song of ARR I gets a new flavour of wine > with > > exceptional taste. > > > > Meant just that what new things he is giving is not taking > him to new > territories. It is still typical Tamil/ Hindi music which > different guys > have been giving for 77 years in their different ways. > > It is still wine, it is not becoming nector or milk or > honey or elixir... > > -- > Rawat
Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy
On 6/28/2008 9:24 AM India Time, _NAVEEN KUMAR_ wrote: > I didn’t understand what this mean “repeating old wine in a new > bottle” although it is perfectly alright for the other music > directors like Anu malik, Himesh Reshamiya, Preetam, Rajesh Roshan > etc. who not only repeating the old wine but also steeling the wine > from the other parts of the world. On the contrary, whenever I > listen a new song of ARR I gets a new flavour of wine with > exceptional taste. > Meant just that what new things he is giving is not taking him to new territories. It is still typical Tamil/ Hindi music which different guys have been giving for 77 years in their different ways. It is still wine, it is not becoming nector or milk or honey or elixir... -- Rawat
Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy
Why are we giving so such emphasis on oscar/grammy awards. In my opinion ARR’s music went much more far behind from winning a grammy/oscar. ARR getting an oscar/grammy doesn’t mean he is honored, but the oscar/grammy award itself will be honored by getting into ARR’s list of awards. In other words nothing can be awarded enough to the music legend for his magical compositions. We should not assume that ARR is lacking something which is stopping him from oscar/grammy. But in fact he is having extra ordinary elements as an artist, as a human being and his vision can be easily understood when we come across ARR foundation. He is working for the human welfare. Who other so called oscar/grammy winner or nominator is doing so? I didn’t understand what this mean “repeating old wine in a new bottle” although it is perfectly alright for the other music directors like Anu malik, Himesh Reshamiya, Preetam, Rajesh Roshan etc. who not only repeating the old wine but also steeling the wine from the other parts of the world. On the contrary, whenever I listen a new song of ARR I gets a new flavour of wine with exceptional taste. We should not be worried about reaching ARR’s music to the world level ? What is their level ? Western countries are far backward then India as far as Music, Spirituality and Culture is concerned. They had gained only technology and economy in the past few decades and that too with the help of Indian scientist, doctors, engineers and economists. Indian music is the greatest from the rest of the world’s music. It is the music through which Taansen forced clouds to rain and make lamps enlighten.(Believe it or not, these are the unrevealed truths). For the rest of the world, I can say they will never understand Indian music, because they don’t have that much potential in their intellect that my help them to grasp our music. Now anyone can doubt, how then our music can be considered greatest if it is not understood by the majority of the people. For this let me make understand with an example. A 10th class student cannot understand the syllabus of a Degree student. But a degree student can easily understand the syllabus of the 10th class student. In the same way let me quote an extreme fact that. “INDIANS CAN LISTEN, UNDERSTAND & COMPOSE THE NON-INDIAN MUSIC BUT THE NON-INDIAN CANNOT EVEN UNDERSTAND INDIAN MUSIC”. Majority of the people doing the same thing doesn’t mean that they are doing the right thing. For me we Indian being minor part of the world doing major contribution for the development of the world. At last Indian music is like an ocean in which the music of all over the world merges and losses their entity. And ARR is the king of that ocean. ANK --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Mirza G. Munas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Mirza G. Munas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 6:16 AM > V, Your point of view is factual. But it didn't take me > a single minute to come up with one. I would > say "Bombay Theme"... During recent years.. > atleast for the last two years... I am pretty sure BBC has > used it in every disaster related > documentary BBC's reach is far better than any > other channels in the world. I am confident in saying at > one point or the other every single soul who are living in > a developed or in a developing country would have heard > this song. > > --- On Thu, 26/6/08, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > From: V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy > worthy > To: "arrf" > Date: Thursday, 26 June, 2008, 5:20 PM > > > > > > > We all fans wish that our man wins each and every award in > the world at > least once. May he be the first Oscar winning Indian, may > he be the > first Grammy winning Indian, for music. > > Of course, he is very capable and has given a widest > variety of types of > music/ songs, yet, yet, yet - the fact remains that there > is no Oscar/ > Grammy nomination for him till date. > > Could it be that ARR is inherently lacking something, if > not in musical > capabilities, but in terms of vision, that is stopping him > from coming > up with some Oscar/ Grammy music? > > Has ARR reached a plateau where he just repeating old wine > in new > bottle, which still sounds good, but is not worthy of > reaching world > audience? > > This groups membership, I think, is of 20-35 age-group, > 99.999% males, > well conversant in English/ Net/ PC, mostly middle to upper > class. > Doesn't that sound very narrow band of entire > population of world? We do > not represent human
Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy
V, Your point of view is factual. But it didn't take me a single minute to come up with one. I would say "Bombay Theme"... During recent years.. atleast for the last two years... I am pretty sure BBC has used it in every disaster related documentary BBC's reach is far better than any other channels in the world. I am confident in saying at one point or the other every single soul who are living in a developed or in a developing country would have heard this song. --- On Thu, 26/6/08, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy To: "arrf" Date: Thursday, 26 June, 2008, 5:20 PM We all fans wish that our man wins each and every award in the world at least once. May he be the first Oscar winning Indian, may he be the first Grammy winning Indian, for music. Of course, he is very capable and has given a widest variety of types of music/ songs, yet, yet, yet - the fact remains that there is no Oscar/ Grammy nomination for him till date. Could it be that ARR is inherently lacking something, if not in musical capabilities, but in terms of vision, that is stopping him from coming up with some Oscar/ Grammy music? Has ARR reached a plateau where he just repeating old wine in new bottle, which still sounds good, but is not worthy of reaching world audience? This groups membership, I think, is of 20-35 age-group, 99.999% males, well conversant in English/ Net/ PC, mostly middle to upper class. Doesn't that sound very narrow band of entire population of world? We do not represent humanity of world. We might remain frogs in a well praising ARR no ends, but we don't even represent even Indian masses, not to speak of representing entire world. -- The major drawback -- and it is beyond ARR's control, is indeed the language. Being here, he has to compose in Indian language and Indian languages songs do not reach non-Indians, do not get popular enough worldwide to the level to get a nomination for world level awards like Oscar/ Grammy, etc. It could be a given that some English composition has any chance of getting any world level award. Of course, several non-english songs/ music had become immensely popular, but I do not really know how many of them could even get nominated, let alone win. And then, some unique appeal is needed in a song for it to touch the hearts of billions of people from several countries, races, age groups. A Vandematarm might earn respectability from every Indian, but it might not mean a thing at all for rest of 150 countries (how many are there?) And I am sad to observe that his non-film and non-Indian-Language compositions are not becoming popular enough to come to the notice of the world. Most of my friends have not even heard of "Pray for My Brother", Warriors of Heaven and Earth, while Bombay dreams is known but not heard. And the worst part is bad planning on part of producers, rights-owner that they don't even bother to plan, let alone create and release videos of ARR's non-film songs. So, if you are asked to mention some songs of ARR, any language, that you think has such worldwide appeal that it could got nominated or could won a world level award, which it could not -- but for language handicap, which songs you would mention? In summary, which ARR songs you think are Oscar/ Grammy worthy? Please give an elaborate, factual "why". Just saying "I like it so much" would not help much. -- V __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
Re: [arr] Which ARR song u think is Oscar/ Grammy worthy
* A Vandematarm might earn respectability from every Indian, but it might not mean a thing at all for rest of 150 countries (how many are there?)* Vandemataram (ARR Version) is the second most popular song in the world. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We all fans wish that our man wins each and every award in the world at > least once. May he be the first Oscar winning Indian, may he be the > first Grammy winning Indian, for music. > > Of course, he is very capable and has given a widest variety of types of > music/ songs, yet, yet, yet - the fact remains that there is no Oscar/ > Grammy nomination for him till date. > > Could it be that ARR is inherently lacking something, if not in musical > capabilities, but in terms of vision, that is stopping him from coming > up with some Oscar/ Grammy music? > > Has ARR reached a plateau where he just repeating old wine in new > bottle, which still sounds good, but is not worthy of reaching world > audience? > > This groups membership, I think, is of 20-35 age-group, 99.999% males, > well conversant in English/ Net/ PC, mostly middle to upper class. > Doesn't that sound very narrow band of entire population of world? We do > not represent humanity of world. > > We might remain frogs in a well praising ARR no ends, but we don't even > represent even Indian masses, not to speak of representing entire world. > -- > The major drawback -- and it is beyond ARR's control, is indeed the > language. Being here, he has to compose in Indian language and Indian > languages songs do not reach non-Indians, do not get popular enough > worldwide to the level to get a nomination for world level awards like > Oscar/ Grammy, etc. > > It could be a given that some English composition has any chance of > getting any world level award. Of course, several non-english songs/ > music had become immensely popular, but I do not really know how many of > them could even get nominated, let alone win. > > And then, some unique appeal is needed in a song for it to touch the > hearts of billions of people from several countries, races, age groups. > A Vandematarm might earn respectability from every Indian, but it might > not mean a thing at all for rest of 150 countries (how many are there?) > > And I am sad to observe that his non-film and non-Indian-Language > compositions are not becoming popular enough to come to the notice of > the world. Most of my friends have not even heard of "Pray for My > Brother", Warriors of Heaven and Earth, while Bombay dreams is known but > not heard. And the worst part is bad planning on part of producers, > rights-owner that they don't even bother to plan, let alone create and > release videos of ARR's non-film songs. > > So, if you are asked to mention some songs of ARR, any language, that > you think has such worldwide appeal that it could got nominated or could > won a world level award, which it could not -- but for language > handicap, which songs you would mention? > > In summary, which ARR songs you think are Oscar/ Grammy worthy? > > Please give an elaborate, factual "why". Just saying "I like it so much" > would not help much. > > -- > V > > >
