[AsburyPark] real developers
note... Lil Grauman... "Grauman Towers" You do something well you get acknowledged. Now - they are being torn down to make way for K Hovninian's next Miami Moral of this story; What you did yesterday won't last past the next fire if you let it depress you. The Following is from a press article dated over a year ago "What is so significant about this is that there's a new boardwalk -- I mean new pilings, boardwalk railings, the whole nine yards," said City Manager Terence Reidy. "This is really a transformational event. It doesn't just look good. It's a totally new, solid, secure, safe boardwalk."When people come down and see this . . . they'll say: 'Oh my God, it's really happening this time. It's not a little paint or pixie dust. It's real.' It's absolutely tangible evidence of the rebirth of the city." Moral here... When you have new pilings it ain't "pixie" dust... Has anyone been to the Canadian North West Territories Lately? Happy Memorial Day Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Readies For project would not be built till pre-sold
Compare the level of craftsmanship with the level found on cookman. It appears that either a) the BW job supervisor was asleep on the beach, or b) there was no qualified supervisor/quality assurance at all, and unskilled workers were left to do the best job they could. You can't make a purse from a sow's ear, you can't get craftsmanship unless you employ craftsman and we won't get redevelopment till The Fish recognizes that people aren't going to buy a `pig in a poke'. Amid all the hoorahs, self-congratulations and spent tears at the groundbreaking October 14th was a revealing statement by Dean Geibel, the intended developer of C8 that the project would not be built till it was pre-sold. The Fish's parsimony regarding this project communicates to prospective buyers, that this is a quilt work, amateur attempt at merchandising, which lacks either the financial wherewithal or intestinal fortitude to do it right. How and why would a bunch of Fishy subordinate developers invest their money on a project that screams half assed? We can expect lots more paint over the next 26 years but not much construction, few sales and little else. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tony Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are being kind in calling it a paint 'job'. The color aside (apologies for that have been made; we all make mistakes), it appears as if the bricks soaked up a lot of that color. Anyone want to lay odds on wether or not they even used a base coat of the appropriate primer? It looks totally unprofessional. Compare the level of craftmanship with the level found on cookman. It appears that either a) the BW job supervisor was asleep on the beach, or b) there was no qualified supervisor/quality assurance at all, and unskilled workers were left to do the best job they could. That is not meant to demean whoever actually did the 'work' on the job. The onus falls squarely with those ensuring the quality of the job(IMO) as well as, possibly, the quality of the materials. It is in total contrast to Cookman. You walk away from a stroll down cookman with 'wow, they are really taking this seriously!'. The BW leaves me shaking my head and saying to myself 'They must be joking!' Maybe it wouldn't matter if the BW was not being touted as 'back' and ready to go. I feel the press release was extremely premature. First impressions can not be underestimated in the case of bringing AP back, especially when a unrealistic level of expectation is being wired to the rest of the world. It might be more jurisprudent for them to spend their press release efforts on promoting events, instead of making over the top and untimely claims. While the amount of people down there today was suprising (if not impressive), I am sure I was not the only one who left feeling what was 'fixed' looked cheap, tacky, and temporary. All of that, plus the fact that more than one portion has a long way to go in regards to meeting even a baseline level of safety can not bode well. I will certainly be back because I live here, the question is how many of todays vistors will be repeat customers? tony --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Code enforcement is to busy threatening business owners w/ $500 per day fines for an extension cord instead of holding our beloved Asbury Partners to the development agreement terms and conditions. I guess the City has accepted the 1st Avenue pavilion paint job as a total renovation as stipulated in the agreement. What is the City afraid of? I don't get it? - Original Message - From: Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season On 5/28/05 6:29 PM, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure there are 'debris nets' but how long before someone gets hit with something and the city is sueded? the city doesnt own the casino, so why would the city get sued? Why was New York City so worried about lawsuits from 9/11 ? If something happens to a tourist or person in Asbury Park whether or not it's property owned by Asbury Partners, I would have to believe that the city would be named in a lawsuit as well. People sue everybody even remotely related to things and there is a good point to be made that the City should make sure that people living and visiting the area be kept safe. That's why you have things like building inspections and code restrictions. There is something very, very wrong here. The pavillions that I saw yesterday were not in good shape and the one with Hojos was in shape far beyond what I would expect would condemn a building on Cookman Ave. Do they have different restrictions on the oceanfront than in the downtown district?
[AsburyPark] Cookman
I walk off a job on Cookman because of several reason reason:
{1}the guys he had working with me drank all day
while we was painting.
{2}we wanted to prime bare sheet rock with a dust mask.
{3}chaulk I had to use on those windows I could fit my fingers on my hand in.
{4}coming back from lunch one of the drunks was pointing the spray gun at me
the other guy.
There was shit throw up on Cookman I seen it first hand.Some people it comes
down to how quick they can make a buck the cheapest way cheapest labor.
And there some people that put buildings up on Cookman surroudind areas with
alot of care by people that speak English.And don't rush in getting it up.They
take their time do it right.Happy ~Memorial Day~ Everyone
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[AsburyPark] casino
i was on the boardwalk this afternoon, and saw all the people. things look good, with lots of people. everything is open, and looking crowded. i walked through the casino myself, and everything is well cleaned up. not a large mess with possiably falling debris like some of you make it out to be. a few weeks ago, yes id agree with you. but as of today, its 100 percent cleaned up and organzed looking. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season
It is in total contrast to Cookman. You walk away from a stroll down cookman with 'wow, they are really taking this seriously!'. The BW leaves me shaking my head and saying to myself 'They must be joking! your right, there is a difference between the boardwalk and cookman ave. but keep in mind, that whats being done on cookman ave. is perminate, and ment to remain as you see it. its clear that whats done on the boardwalk is only for a few years, untill a final renovation is done (for anyone out there who didnt know, or figure it out. that final renovation will come as soon as the first 3 main residential projects are completed). I am sure I was not the only one who left feeling what was 'fixed' looked cheap, tacky, and temporary. cheap, yes. tacky, possiably. temporary, of course. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Cookman
its true, some people care more about what there doing. its clear whos whos. i see what your saying, but the hell does speaking enlish have to do with anything. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Readies For cheap, tacky, and temporary
its clear that whats done on the boardwalk is only for a few years, until a final renovation is done that final renovation will come as soon as the first 3 main residential projects are completed). The only thing `clear' is that the MD doesn't know what he's doing. When marketing a product, any product, every product from soup to nuts; you don't come to market with half assed representations of what you want the consumer to purchase. That Larry would do a press release with the mayor, announcing the waterfront area is showing off its new face this summer has been actively preparing for the expected crowds boardwalk has been totally renovated - new boards, railings, lighting and benches more than 15 stores, restaurants and amusements are opening in three boardwalk pavilions, when all the work looked cheap, tacky, and temporary; announces to everyone that he is perpetrating a hoax and fraud, that his final product will be cheap, tacky, and temporary. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in total contrast to Cookman. You walk away from a stroll down cookman with 'wow, they are really taking this seriously!'. The BW leaves me shaking my head and saying to myself 'They must be joking! your right, there is a difference between the boardwalk and cookman ave. but keep in mind, that whats being done on cookman ave. is perminate, and ment to remain as you see it. its clear that whats done on the boardwalk is only for a few years, untill a final renovation is done (for anyone out there who didnt know, or figure it out. that final renovation will come as soon as the first 3 main residential projects are completed). I am sure I was not the only one who left feeling what was 'fixed' looked cheap, tacky, and temporary. cheap, yes. tacky, possiably. temporary, of course. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Cookman
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its true, some people care more about what there doing. its clear whos whos. i see what your saying, but the hell does speaking enlish have to do with anything. `~ How many of these people that speak Russian,Spanish,Jamican are legal.There here to work for a short time go back to where they come from alot of them could give a shit how a building is built.This Country was built on people from foreign lands but they learn the langugage payed their taxes.Its more the Contractors fault.__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.co Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: detailed casino schedule as per sec 3.5 of DA?
someone asked me something offline, and i was looking for this info in order to answer them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the detailed schedule concerning the casino available for public perusal? What makes you think it matters? The Fish has never abided by any of the terms he's found awkward, restoration of the Casino, which our resident apologist for The Fish John Loffredo, tells us is worth $35 million to the city is clearly going to prove a cumbersome expenditure. Hence, if scheduled, how long will you hold your breath? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tony Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the detailed schedule concerning the casino available for public perusal? I am assuming it was submitted prior to the sale closure, as per the developer's agreement. 3.5. Casino Property and Power Plant Property ... The Master Developer shall have prepared a report by an appropriate professional firm(s) reviewing the condition of each property and recommendations for the rehabilitation, or demolition (limited to the rear of the Casino building) if necessary, and the costs of renovation along with a detailed schedule. The report shall also address any environmental conditions known or suspected with regard to each property. The parties shall within 120 days of receipt of the above report, and prior to closing, agree to, said consent not to be unreasonable withheld, a schedule of renovations to be undertaken by the Master Developer after closing. ... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
