[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have uploaded another page from the plan that shows if C- 8 (Block 176) is demolished, then it can only be built to the height limits specified for Block 161, which are 2 and 4 stories. ... (calculation of units, etc) Dan, you've misinterpreted the chart on that page, it is not a controlling part of the plan, it is only an example of how the project might be built out. The height controls are elsewhere in the document. The C-8 site, if leveled would follow the same pattern as the rest on the blocks. 3 floors at Ocean Ave, 4 floors at mid block and 8 floors at Kingsley St (maximums, could be less) Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, you've misinterpreted the chart on that page, it is not a controlling part of the plan, it is only an example of how the project might be built out. The height controls are elsewhere in the document. The C-8 site, if leveled would follow the same pattern as the rest on the blocks. 3 floors at Ocean Ave, 4 floors at mid block and 8 floors at Kingsley St (maximums, could be less) That was my original post (3,4 8 stories) but that is from the chart showing comparison of the 1990-91 and 2002 plans. The reference to Block 161 was in the land use section. Pretty confusing, but not surprising considering this city. In any event, I assume the Planning Board approved the 224 units assuming the structure stays up. If it doesn't and needs to come down, how can the Planning Board approve something that contradicts the underlying blueprint (plan) with amendation? The structure may be salvageable, as we all thought, but there are rumours that the developers are shopping for demo estimates. Also, the constrcution budget I saw showed $18 million for steel. Where's that going? I guess time will tell. If we see it come down and don't hear of amendments to the plan questions need to be asked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The reference to Block 161 was in the land use section. Pretty confusing, but not surprising considering this city. In any event, I assume the Planning Board approved the 224 units assuming the structure stays up. If it doesn't and needs to come down, how can the Planning Board approve something that contradicts the underlying blueprint (plan) with amendation? The structure may be salvageable, as we all thought, but there are rumours that the developers are shopping for demo estimates. Also, the constrcution budget I saw showed $18 million for steel. Where's that going? I guess time will tell. It helps to have been through all the hearings. - 224 units is the max, it can be less. The two towers can be 10 and 16 floors max, they can be less. - The reversion to the 'new' plan is in the event that the entire building can not be rehabilitated. - The approvals are within the envelope of the plan except that 12 foot extensions may be build on the north and south facades. - The demolition is selective for the southeast section which suffered from exposure more than the other sections. - The budget is for the rehabilitation, repair and completion of the superstructure Hope that helps, Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C8 is scrap metal
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Greg S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not believe that there is an Engineer or Insurance professional that would let that superstructure be built on. It has been in the salt air for 20(?) years. The only things relevent are: has corrosion thinned the steel below the load bearing spec, and can below spec areas be repaired/replaced. The floors are crumbling and collapsing every day. There are no floors, only the corrogated sheets that the floors would have been poured on. They have mostly rusted away and will be replaced. Then the floors will be poured. I am sure there is going to be a request to change the plan, we should say no. What change are you anticipating to say no to? There are two options, complete it as designed. Or, raze it and build to the new controls. It doesn't take a lot of vision to understand that the structure is of no value (beside scrap). To the contrary, the building as is, represents millions of dollars invested in clearance, foundations, superstructure, etc. It makes sense to use it if technically/financially feasable. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Talking about C-8, Metro Homes Trump
I understood it, and chuckled. Which of the two pompous multi-millionaire liberals is AP/Action endorsing for governor this year? I'm following my heart this year instead of my head: http://www.pawlowski2005.org/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really astonishing news is that Stuart Koperweis will likely take credit for this Jersey City development too. What makes you say that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Preservation after Disaster
An enlightened New Orleans, Werner -- Monday, September 19, 2005 The Times-Picayune OUR OPINIONS: Rebuild with character The new New Orleans deserves neighborhoods that look like the ones Hurricane Katrina flooded. Without the federal government, the city could not rebuild. But that help should include a promise to rebuild this architecturally unique place in a way that's authentic. Once the rebuilding is done, New Orleans must look like New Orleans. At no point in its nearly 300-year history has New Orleans been mistakable for other cities. One could never have parachuted into New Orleans and confused it with Little Rock, Ark., Des Moines, Iowa, or Cape Girardeau, Mo. No, if you were in New Orleans, you knew it. If you couldn't tell where you were from the sounds of jazz, the taste of the étouffée or the sight of Carnival parades, then you could look at the carefully crafted houses and know for sure. There are bound to be some people who will say New Orleanians are asking for too much and that we ought to be satisfied with whatever we get, as long as it's safe and functional. They will be wrong. Although it's true we are concerned about how the future New Orleans will look, we are even more concerned about how it will feel. It will not feel like home unless it feels strangely foreign to everybody else. There are organizations in the city, the Preservation Resource Center chief among them, that exist to protect the architectural integrity of New Orleans' neighborhoods. The preservationists who work for those organizations have consistently raised their voices to prevent homes in Holy Cross from being made to look like homes in Gentilly, and to prevent homes in the Irish Channel from looking like those in Broadmoor. That should give outsiders a clue to the kind of city New Orleans was and is. Two houses on opposite sides of town can look drastically different but equally well-crafted. There's an internal diversity in the housing stock. As we go forward, it's important that such diversity remains intact. That's why the city's preservationists need to be consulted as New Orleans rebuilds. Officials at the PRC have demonstrated time and again that making houses that are architecturally interesting doesn't mean only the rich can afford them. Preservationists have built and renovated homes in low- to moderate-income neighborhoods for the people who live there. Their efforts should now be duplicated on a large scale for the benefit of the people who called those destroyed neighborhoods home. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
