Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
Well said, Joe. Not to mention the fact that a lot of the kids don't know how to swim in the ocean and their parents have reservations about letting them go to the beach. Kathy - Original Message - From: Joe D'Andrea To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue Cost was the issue two years ago when the project was presented, introduced, approved and built. The time to raise questions on the expenditure was then. Now the city will gear up to open the recreation area for the second year -- or is it the third? How many bites at the "it cost too much" apple does Jerry's white woman get? No, the issue today is not cost. rather the issue is the clear disconnect and outright hostility that was displayed by some people in the audience. Jerry's white woman said anyone can use the beach therefore the recreation area -- which by the way is a lot more than just "four hoses in the ground" -- isn't needed. She implies that everyone in the city should walk to their recreation -- a distance that could be up to one mile. I ask you, who among us is willing to walk a mile for anything? Jerry's white woman makes no consideration for the fact that to many in our community the cost to enter the beach is money they don't have. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Question for the legal minds...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe she's happy, but I'd prefer my media to leave personal opinions > & biases out of the news. > > Should we expect to see citizens labeled in future editions of the APP? > > Maybe Nancy can publish the "enemies list" and everyone can see what > the council's opinion is of them. > Nancy has done that before and I have taken her to task for it. She editorializes often and labels those whose question as "critics." If you want to write an editorial, do it. If you are reporting a story, just stick to the facts and then labels such as gadfly, critics, etc. have no place. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As an aside, my kids love the spray park in Holmdel, and that thing > EASILY cost $800,000 to build. > Again, the important issue for me in this episode is that the Mayor, and perhaps the Deputy Mayor, encouraged and approbriated the speaker when she got directed her comments off of the issue and at the person who was questioning the costs. I don't have a dog in this fight either, even though I consider Jerry and Rita as friends. Who knows what someone will say when they get up to the microphone, but for the elected officials to participate in that nonesense is embarassing. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Question for the legal minds...
Maybe she's happy, but I'd prefer my media to leave personal opinions & biases out of the news. Should we expect to see citizens labeled in future editions of the APP? Maybe Nancy can publish the "enemies list" and everyone can see what the council's opinion is of them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > a council gadfly > Leave it alone, its better than critic and because Tommy started it, she > happy > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Question for the legal minds...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, not libel just the truth. >From the APP article today: > > http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? > AID=/20060304/NEWS01/603040387/1004 > > "Rita Marano, a council gadfly" > > I don't have a dog in this fight, but to me this was a cheap shot for > a reputable newspaper. > > Does it meet the legal definition of libel? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Question for the legal minds...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > a council gadfly > Leave it alone, its better than critic and because Tommy started it, she > happy > gad·fly(gdfl) KEY NOUN: A persistent irritating critic; a nuisance. One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad. Any of various flies, especially of the family Tabanidae, that bite or annoy livestock and other animals. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Question for the legal minds...
a council gadfly Leave it alone, its better than critic and because Tommy started it, she happy SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Question for the legal minds...
>From the APP article today: http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20060304/NEWS01/603040387/1004 "Rita Marano, a council gadfly" I don't have a dog in this fight, but to me this was a cheap shot for a reputable newspaper. Does it meet the legal definition of libel? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
At 11:49 PM + 3/4/06, dfsavgny wrote: >--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Jerry's white woman get? > >Joseph! Those are Jerry's words. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Truth and consequences; Asbury residents, the financial stepchild of > the jersey shore, are overtaxed and underserved; it is painfully clear > that the west side has had, and continues to get, the short end of the > stick of expenditures, services and improvements. > I almost spit my coffee out on the keyboard laughing so hard at that comment. overtaxed compared to whom What percentage of new UNABATED housing has been ADDED to the tax rolls in the last 5 years? 5 years ago, only 30% of the housing was owner/occupied. Have current estimates indicated that number has increased significantly? What's the tax burden on residents living in the non owner/occupied housing? underserved compared to whom I wish my school district was spending the equivalent of Rumson Country Day School's tuition per child each year. Throw that onto this $400,000 grant from the state and the $80,000 traffic study from last week, and I'd be living in a fricking Utopia. Just because there's a big vacuum that mysteriously sucks money out of Asbury Park faster than it comes in doesn't mean the city is being neglected by the county/state/nation/planet. -- As an aside, my kids love the spray park in Holmdel, and that thing EASILY cost $800,000 to build. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are you guys talking about the city has spent over one million > dollars a year the last three years on new roads and sidewalks. On > both sides of the tracks. Thank you. > it just needs to > get safer and I feel that is happening. It appears we are making strides in that regard. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Jerry's white woman get? Joseph! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are you guys talking about the city has spent over one million dollars a year the last three years on new roads and sidewalks. On both sides of the tracks. The city has bought new trucks for our city yard and a new street sweeper the city is cleaner it just needs to get safer and I feel that is happening.Don't play that game Skip you are wrong. People who live here every day know it. Except for Jerrys kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" wrote: > > > > Truth and consequences; Asbury residents, the financial stepchild of > > the jersey shore, are overtaxed and underserved; it is painfully > clear > > that the west side has had, and continues to get, the short end of > the > > stick of expenditures, services and improvements. > > Is that true? Does the west side get less services? In what regard? > What less in improvements? What improvements have been done on the > east side by the City? Whatever improvements I see here appear to be > private funds. It is the east side where owners are being literally > yanked from their properties in the name of redevelopment. That being > said I do not begrudge the building of the water park, but at the same > time citizens who question the apparent questionable sums should not > be shouted down. More importantly, elected officials should not > participate in the shouting down. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
Cost was the issue two years ago when the project was presented, introduced, approved and built. The time to raise questions on the expenditure was then. Now the city will gear up to open the recreation area for the second year -- or is it the third? How many bites at the "it cost too much" apple does Jerry's white woman get? No, the issue today is not cost. rather the issue is the clear disconnect and outright hostility that was displayed by some people in the audience. Jerry's white woman said anyone can use the beach therefore the recreation area -- which by the way is a lot more than just "four hoses in the ground" -- isn't needed. She implies that everyone in the city should walk to their recreation -- a distance that could be up to one mile. I ask you, who among us is willing to walk a mile for anything? Jerry's white woman makes no consideration for the fact that to many in our community the cost to enter the beach is money they don't have. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Truth and consequences; Asbury residents, the financial stepchild of > the jersey shore, are overtaxed and underserved; it is painfully clear > that the west side has had, and continues to get, the short end of the > stick of expenditures, services and improvements. Is that true? Does the west side get less services? In what regard? What less in improvements? What improvements have been done on the east side by the City? Whatever improvements I see here appear to be private funds. It is the east side where owners are being literally yanked from their properties in the name of redevelopment. That being said I do not begrudge the building of the water park, but at the same time citizens who question the apparent questionable sums should not be shouted down. More importantly, elected officials should not participate in the shouting down. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy now?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Werner who? I know only one Werner in AP and I didn't know he is gay. Or has > the list expanded its reach? Please advise. > > Tom Pivinski > Hi Tom, What prompted that commentary? LOL, Maybe not gay but am gay friendly. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
"Didn't Keady say he was also concerned about the cost and that any such projects in the future should be looked at more carefully. That is the ISSUE, the cost of this thing, $800K !!! Not whether it is good for the children or not. Press reporting goes for the fluff again." Truth and consequences; Asbury residents, the financial stepchild of the jersey shore, are overtaxed and underserved; it is painfully clear that the west side has had, and continues to get, the short end of the stick of expenditures, services and improvements. Financially distressed, it must constantly juggle the books to find funds for basic services, so that when discretionary spending is called for, choice often appears capricious. Clearly council feels obliged to provide services to ameliorate the east/west disparity; when it does so, it seems obvious to increase the impact of spending by availing itself of whatever grants that may be available. Unfortunately, the grant process distorts the spirit and costs of these services. This distortion is compounded by a council that means well, but has few tools to value the cost/benefit of alternatives and whose staff and consultants are far from the best. The result too frequently, the continuing bumbling that Asbury Park has become so well known for. Cost certainly is the issue, unfortunately, past sins of omission and commission cloud current decisions and the fear of repeating history prejudges performance. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: happy now?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My point is why do I need to go to council meetings to see you and your > little friends act like asses. You know I have my sources within, I can > stay home. The point of going to the council meetings is not to see anyone, but to be involved in your government. Perhaps that attitude of non- participation is long-lived and wide-spread and would explain the mess this city has been, and is, in. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy now?
Werner who? I know only one Werner in AP and I didn't know he is gay. Or has the list expanded its reach? Please advise. Tom Pivinski SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: happy now?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > My point is why do I need to go to council meetings to see you and your little friends act like asses. You know I have my sources within, I can stay home. Joe, you can sit wherever you want. Maybe there should be a sign in > sheet for the Public so Jerry will know who's there. > > Michael, > And what is your point? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] First Night tonight - music by Rick Barry & Keith Monacchio
Title: First Night tonight - music by Rick Barry & Keith Monacchio There are a pair of excellent New Jersey based artists playing at Genesis Realty tonight as part of Asbury Park’s First Night celebration. The artists, Rick Barry from the Jersey Shore and Keith Monacchio from Trenton will be doing two sets each starting at 6pm. Rick Barry won the 2005 Asbury Music Award for Top Male Solo Artist and Keith Monacchio is the lead singer of the band, The Commons. You can listen to a special broadcast on UpstageRadio.com this afternoon to hear these great artists. Tune in from 4pm to 5:30pm and get a preview of the show tonight! SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: happy now?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Joe, you can sit wherever you want. Maybe there should be a sign in > sheet for the Public so Jerry will know who's there. > > Michael, > And what is your point? > whose michael? i think his point is hes calling you dumb, mind you im not that is just my interpatation Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: happy now?
Joe, you can sit wherever you want. Maybe there should be a sign in sheet for the Public so Jerry will know who's there. Michael, And what is your point? SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: happy now?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Joe, you can sit wherever you want. Maybe there should be a sign in sheet for the Public so Jerry will know who's there. If Nancy wasn't at the City Council meeting then how did she get the story > so right in today's newspaper? > > Joe, you happy? I'm happy you're happy and smarter than I. You were blocking > my view of Nancy at that time of that meeting. Next time, sit in your usual > seat, so you could hear me say, I supported that water park at the meeting. > So when will the next council meeting be on cable? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy now?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If Nancy wasn't at the City Council meeting then how did she get the story so right in today's newspaper? > An incomplete account as usual from Nancy. Didn't Keady say he was also concerned about the cost and that any such projects in the future should be looked at more carefully. That is the ISSUE, the cost of this thing, $800K !!! Not whether it is good for the children or not. Press reporting goes for the fluff again. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] happy now?
If Nancy wasn't at the City Council meeting then how did she get the story so right in today's newspaper? Joe, you happy? I'm happy you're happy and smarter than I. You were blocking my view of Nancy at that time of that meeting. Next time, sit in your usual seat, so you could hear me say, I supported that water park at the meeting. So when will the next council meeting be on cable? SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Jerry... happy now?
If Nancy wasn't at the City Council meeting then how did she get the story so right in today's newspaper? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
