[AsburyPark] Springwood - I need your help
Since this was just brought up in a previous post and I wanted to gauge your opinions anyway, please let me know your thoughts. In the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee we are obviously considering many options. Let me be clear that right now there is mixed use of everything being considered: Stores, housing, rec, etc. One idea in the mix is to build a new state of the art municipal complex on Springwood to house City Hall, Police Department and Fire Department. The experience Cookman has shown is that it is still very difficult to bring people to AP to shop because of the the safety factor (even though it is safe as anywhere else. I had 2 calls this week from Monmouth people as to whether it was safe to come to my office). If we are still trying to convince them that Downtown is safe, we are light years from convincing them shopping on Springwood is safe. It seems to me that putting the Municipal complex on Springwood would not only make it feel safer due to the police being there, but it will create automatic foot traffic of hundreds of people a day down there between workers and people doing business with the City. It can be an instant anchor for whatever stores we can build there near it. It will also open up 3 blocks of prime main street that the City is on now to be developed (stores, parking garage, walkway to downtown, etc). What are your thoughts in this regard? Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Biondi Bill
At 1:35 PM + 3/18/06, bluebishop82 wrote: ...I don't mind anonymous posters, but I do think the website should be responsible for saving IP addresses so that if someone crosses the line on libel then they can be found and held accountable. Recording the IP address and time stamp with posts is something that is trivial to do. However it offers very little guarantee that one can identify the poster of libel. Here's the problem. Most organizations (or homes for that matter) have one IP address for their connection. It may always be the same IP address or it may changes each time the connection is established. None the less, the IP address can be traced and the account holder of the account traced. BUT... and it's a big one. All the computers connected to that network at home or in the office come in on the same IP address. So for example... in my house there are three computers connected to the internet. If something libelous were posted from the IP addresses assigned to my internet connection you would only know that the post came from my house. You wouldn't have a specific individual to sue. And you couldn't even make assumptions about who was in my house at the time the post was made. It gets worse when we consider the work environment. Let's say a business employs 10 salespeople and it has a support staff of 25 additional people. Something libelous gets posted from one of those 35 computers. When traced back, the IP address points to that business. Who are you going to sue? Could you impound all 35 computers? And who's to say the libelous posting didn't come from a visitor that was allowed to plug into the companies internet connection while he/she was there for a meeting? Yeah... you can record the IP address, but it doesn't help you prosecute your libel claim. (Unless you're MOG and you have to sign in at the library to use the computer then the prosecutor of a libel, defamation or bias crime or claim would have the name and address of the offender and could proceed with any remedy at law.) ~joe Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] [AP Daily Dose] Commemorative Tree Planting Program Launched
Commemorative Tree Planting Program Launched Posted: Thursday, March 23rd, 2006 Want to help enhance the city's natural beauty and create a lasting memorial to commemorate a special occasion or the memory of a departed loved one or pet? Then check out the details of the Environmental Shade Tree Commission's Commemorative Tree Planting Program. MORE» For more Asbury Park news, and events, shopping, dining and community guides, visit the new AsburyPark.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this was just brought up in a previous post and I wanted to gauge your opinions anyway, please let me know your thoughts. In the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee we are obviously considering many options. Let me be clear that right now there is mixed use of everything being considered: Stores, housing, rec, etc. One idea in the mix is to build a new state of the art municipal complex on Springwood to house City Hall, Police Department and Fire Department. The experience Cookman has shown is that it is still very difficult to bring people to AP to shop because of the the safety factor (even though it is safe as anywhere else. I had 2 calls this week from Monmouth people as to whether it was safe to come to my office). If we are still trying to convince them that Downtown is safe, we are light years from convincing them shopping on Springwood is safe. It seems to me that putting the Municipal complex on Springwood would not only make it feel safer due to the police being there, but it will create automatic foot traffic of hundreds of people a day down there between workers and people doing business with the City. It can be an instant anchor for whatever stores we can build there near it. It will also open up 3 blocks of prime main street that the City is on now to be developed (stores, parking garage, walkway to downtown, etc). What are your thoughts in this regard? Thanks There are some who may feel that the municipal buildings need to be on Main St. Personally I do not feel that way and think that what you propose is a good idea (generally). I would not like to force it upon the residents there if they don;t want it however. I aslo don't know how far down Springwood you intend to relocate, since I think they have to be within a block or two of the train station. I don;t think the Fire Dept should be there however unless there is going to be a second station east of the tracks. Most of the residential density is east of the tracks as I beleive that larger land area within city limits. The municipal complex (land) now on Main can be put to better uses. Rather than residential, maybe we get an office complex or retail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6. Decide in 1 month who the winner is. Oh yea - don't forget to to put in the RFP that the bidders must be bonded, have shown development experience (past projects count), cannot be assigned, must post a perfomance bond. 7. Includes real, non-negoiatable time frames for development. 8. Another words, as you are an old AP'er, time to stop the bs and build out Springwood area. fuggadaboutit Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury needs a Chinatown....
Time to re-think a master plan or re-market the town. Coming back from San Fran - some more ideas. I'll go back to the idea of raising Bradley Park so you get parking under it. A piece of the west side from Asbury Ave to bangs should be repackaged as Chinatownheck, use eminent domain. San Frans Japantown retail area is only a small piece. AP always had an old Italian Heritage and Greek as well. Call Springwood little Italy. Unless you want to start around Mt Carmel and remake 2nd Ave south the new Little Italy. Give the Greeks Springwood. Or - make Springwood little orleans - AP with a cajun twist. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
Well I hope I can convince you two that we are doing exactly the right thing there right now. In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: 6. Decide in 1 month who the winner is. Oh yea - don't forget to to put in the RFP that the bidders must be bonded, have shown development experience (past projects count), cannot be assigned, must post a perfomance bond. 7. Includes real, non-negoiatable time frames for development. 8. Another words, as you are an old AP'er, time to stop the bs and build out Springwood area. fuggadaboutit Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I hope I can convince you two that we are doing exactly the right thing there right now. Something in writing, that the public may view, would be a start. 35 years there and counting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
you need to convince Neptune, as part of their plan, to make the Rt. 35/Springwood corner an attractive entrance. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
That's being written right now. That's why I'm talking to you right now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Well I hope I can convince you two that we are doing exactly the right thing there right now. Something in writing, that the public may view, would be a start. 35 years there and counting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
If I recall correctly Uncle Phil's suit was settled, which cleared up a rat's nest of title issues. Thereafter a plan was made by the City to redevelop Springwood. People hated it. They complained that the community was not involved, particulary people on and around Springwood. So the City did what I thought was a great job responding to the people. The City got rid of their own plans. To heed to the wishes of those who wanted community involvement, they advertised a series of events held on Springwood for the community to come out and tell them exactly what they wanted on Springwood. Many, many different ideas were recorded at those events. Anyone at those meetings was encouraged to be part of the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee, so that the community itself would be devising the plan. From there the committee was formed. It has been meeting for several months now. We are debating the issues, inviting experts to guide us and will at the end make a recommendation to the City Council as to how to best redevelop Springwood Avenue (and yes we are interfacing with Neptune to tie into their redevelopment). The City will then have a formal redevelopment plan drafted, based upon the Committee's recommendations. Certainly I intend to heed the wishes of those I've read here to make the case for competitive bidding for development of the plan. Nation-wide advertising is what I will try to convince the board should be the policy. I like the process because as you can see it has been from the grass roots up. The committee is dominated by West Side people or people with West Side roots. It is in the stage where we are deciding what to recommend to the council, which is why I'm reaching out to this board for your comments, which I obviously intend to take quite seriously, and use your thoughts at the meetings. Keep them coming. Thanks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Doesn't Uncle Phil still own most of the land?? If so how long in court? So is this plan for all the land some it or in phases. Are there any affordable housing developers interested ? What about recreation? Maybe another water park? Are your R friends in the County involved? That's being written right now. That's why I'm talking to you right now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Well I hope I can convince you two that we are doing exactly the right thing there right now. Something in writing, that the public may view, would be a start. 35 years there and counting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the City did what I thought was a great job responding to the people. The City got rid of their own plans. To heed to the wishes of those who wanted community involvement, they advertised a series of events held on Springwood for the community to come out and tell them exactly what they wanted on Springwood. Many, many different ideas were recorded at those events. Why don't they do that with the waterfront? Only kidding. Just no give aways on this one. No Fishmans. Move city hall there. Maybe move it to Neptune. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Move city hall there. Maybe move it to Neptune. :-) LOL Again you're killin' me! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Springwood - I need your help
Great idea. Move the municipal complex. It is an eyesore and sit on property too valuable. Lets face it all the services need updated space. I would not worry about moving these services since they will still be within one mile of the entire town. Placings a second firehouse in the town would only burden more costs. If the twon was 4 miles wide, I could understand. The issue with Cookman is due to the lack of police presence. Makes no difference where the stataion is, unless it is placed on cookman, but people need to see the police.At times I have seen them driving the streets but this needs to be a regular thing!Now here is what the city needs to do with the property. Office buildings. This town needs places for people to work. Located by cookman so it helps support the stores and by the trian. Office Buildings! bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this was just brought up in a previous post and I wanted to gauge your opinions anyway, please let me know your thoughts.In the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee we are obviously considering many options. Let me be clear that right now there is mixed use of everything being considered: Stores, housing, rec, etc.One idea in the mix is to build a new state of the art municipal complex on Springwood to house City Hall, Police Department and Fire Department.The experience Cookman has shown is that it is still very difficult to bring people to AP to shop because of the the safety factor (even though it is safe as anywhere else. I had 2 calls this week from Monmouth people as to whether it was safe to come to my office).If we are still trying to convince them that Downtown is safe, we are light years from convincing them shopping on Springwood is safe.It seems to me that putting the Municipal complex on Springwood would not only make it feel safer due to the police being there, but it will create automatic foot traffic of hundreds of people a day down there between workers and people doing business with the City. It can be an instant anchor for whatever stores we can build there near it.It will also open up 3 blocks of prime main street that the City is on now to be developed (stores, parking garage, walkway to downtown, etc).What are your thoughts in this regard?Thanks New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Springwood - I need your help
Now here is what the city needs to do with the property. Office buildings. This town needs places for people to work. Located by cookman so it helps support the stores and by the trian. Office Buildings! While I know that many people want the municipal buildings to be on Main Street, I think that there are plenty of advantages to doing this. First, the property would be perfect for businesses. If the city made a simple plan of turning that space into office space (either with the existing building or a new structure) it would already have a nice sized parking lot, but would be extremely convenient by train. Imagine how many businesses would want to be located there IF it started off with affordable pricing? And those businesses would bring jobs to the city. And the people working there would help the local economy through the restaurants, gas stations, convenience stores, etc. Personally, I think this is a better use of the land than a municipal building, but I know many others disagree. I just think its got so many positives it should be looked at closer. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
1. While your at it, move the city garage off main street. And blow away that whole corner. Or just move the complex to the opposite corners - (south of current location, replacng the city yard) again, over the tracks to Memorial/springwood. 2. you need to convince Neptune, as part of their plan, to make the Rt. 35/Springwood corner an attractive "entrance". 3. I'll go back to the idea of "raising" Bradley Park so you get parking under it. 1. Extend Victoria Mall, then the mall will like it starts in Asbury Park. Also remove all gas stations off Main St. 2. Also develop better road plan/ patternso summer traffic can move easier in out of A P UseNeptune's Corllis SpringwoodAve Redevelopments to help AP revitalization. Talk toNeptune. APshould be a regional economic engine. 3. All the redevelopment56 acres should be raised 12'or 14'. Imagine 56 acresof parking and service routes? Only coping what was done in Paris Orlando. Make new entrances for the few buildings that where not demolished on the new mezzanine level. Expensive for now, but truly a city for the future. Oh I forgot, people will be coming to AP to appreciate the beach and thenew street lights that Joe likes. Or was heand Garrett only attacking me? Or not biting the hands of their friends that feed them? All theses ideas were brought up at council meetings, planing board meetings and redevelopment meetings. If it was not the three greatestdeal makers, Terry Wedlon (deals made behind closed doors), Duany,or Kate ideait was not a good or a feasible idea. I don't think Arron was involved withexpanding Duany's theories.Most ofthe above city officials scraped almost every suggestion the planing board recommended. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so we agree cookman needs office workers. Why then, move the muni center vs just building a new one, with offices on floors 3 and 4 or 2,3,4. Stick the police station on the other side of the tracks - connected with a bridge. While your at it, move the city garage off main street. And blow away that whole corner. Or just move the complex to the opposite corners - (south of current location, replacng the city yard) again, over the tracks to Memorial/springwood. i hope you re being sarcastic, jesting , joking whatever. If not you seem to be very intelligent, what would this idea cost? And who's going to pay for it? Hey guys wake up this City is broke and has nothing else to sell or hock, the beachfront condos will not come on line fast enough, for us to survive. Question and again i apologize for my lack of knowledge, are Convention Hall , pavilions, heating plant casion now on tax rolls if answer is yes what are they assesed at and are the taxes current? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Preservation and property value
Historic Districts and Residential Property Values FILE UNDER: Preservation Click to enlarge.The Landmarks Preservation Commission's Web site recently posted a study by the Independent Budget Office that analyzed residential property values in the city's various historic districts. The report is not new--it's dated 2003--but its conclusions seem to back up preservationists' claims that historic districts increase property values. The I.B.O. looked at one-, two- and three-family houses in the period between 1975 and 2002, and concluded that, All else equal, prices of houses in historic districts are higher than those of similar houses outside historic districts. And it's not a chicken- and-the-egg proposition: overall price appreciation from 1975 through 2002 was greater for houses inside historical districts. More tidbits after the jump. Historic districts act as brand labels; In two time periods studied--1975-1982 and 1997-2002--properties in historic districts appreciated at a much higher rate than those outside of historic districts; In three periods--1982-1989, 1993-1997 and 2000-2002--property prices in hisotric districts appreciated slightly faster than those outside of historic districts; In 2000-2002, the differences were statistically insignificant; In 1989-1993, both types of properties declined in value, but those within historic districts declined slightly more than those outside of historic districts; Over the 1975-2002 period, the average increase in value for historic distric properties was 10.2 percent per year (5.3 percent adjusted for inflation), with non-historic district properties at 9.0 percent (4.2 percent adjusted for inflation). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i hope you re being sarcastic, jesting , joking whatever. If not you seem to be very intelligent, what would this idea cost? And who's going to pay for it? Hey guys wake up this City is broke and has nothing else to sell or hock, the beachfront condos will not come on line fast enough, for us to survive. Question and again i apologize for my lack of knowledge, are Convention Hall , pavilions, heating plant casion now on tax rolls if answer is yes what are they assesed at and are the taxes current? They are on tax rolls I am unsure what the taxes are and I don't know if they are current, but they are supposed to be under the RA. If I recall correctly, last year Partners owed about $600K in taxes but paid at the last minute. I think they have some tax increases on appeal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Uncle Phil
Tommy I think your wrong Uncle Phil is still around. His ghost will haunt us. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Uncle Phil
I thought I heard a bump. I'm getting out of here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy I think your wrong Uncle Phil is still around. His ghost will haunt us. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how about building NOTHING and letting the ocean blow through... of course this would nothing for the city coffers nor the partners. Finally a conclusion that makes sense. The fact is that parcel is PUBLIC PROPERTY and has been since the founding days of AP. In all prior redevelopment plans there was never any development contemplated for that site. Rightly so, just as was the case for the triangle blocks between the Casino and Palace. Dedicated PUBLIC PROPERTY. There is value in open undeveloped space in strategic areas such as these. It adds value to the ajoining developable property and continues the rights of the public dedicated over time. Building on every parcel in the entire waterfront to maximixe density, with no open space buffers is a disaster. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
Werner you refuse to recognize your Northern and Western Monmouth overlords. They have the $ and the power, and they will be soaking up all the open space funding. Our only shot at largess is to assist them by accepting our Urban asthetic and continue to further Urbanize, which they are trying to avoid. We're Urban anyway, so grow with it. Forget open spaces in AP. It isn't who we are. Rack'em pack'em and stack'em. It's time to go vertical and build high. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: how about building NOTHING and letting the ocean blow through... of course this would nothing for the city coffers nor the partners. Finally a conclusion that makes sense. The fact is that parcel is PUBLIC PROPERTY and has been since the founding days of AP. In all prior redevelopment plans there was never any development contemplated for that site. Rightly so, just as was the case for the triangle blocks between the Casino and Palace. Dedicated PUBLIC PROPERTY. There is value in open undeveloped space in strategic areas such as these. It adds value to the ajoining developable property and continues the rights of the public dedicated over time. Building on every parcel in the entire waterfront to maximixe density, with no open space buffers is a disaster. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner you refuse to recognize your Northern and Western Monmouth overlords. They have the $ and the power, and they will be soaking up all the open space funding. Our only shot at largess is to assist them by accepting our Urban asthetic and continue to further Urbanize, which they are trying to avoid. We're Urban anyway, so grow with it. Forget open spaces in AP. It isn't who we are. Rack'em pack'em and stack'em. It's time to go vertical and build high. Well funding is only an issue if you need to acquire land for open space, not keep land you already have vacant. Of course, technically we don't have th Triangle any more, we sold it but haven't gotten paid yet. I am not too worried about building on the Triangle since the Marine Grill proper site cannot be built upon. I don't think I would like to see our entire waterfront built up with high density, although I could accept density in isolated spots for lower density elsewhere. None of this is the problem however. That is of course that our waterfront remais in disgraceful condition and no one is doing anything about it. Sorry, but 12-month intervals is just not going to cut it. While the council is looking for the fourth wheel as Ed Johnson put it, they don;t realize that this car has no wheels and is up on milk crates. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: the Marine Grill proper site cannot be built upon. I'll be changing that someday. Always dreamed of building a summer home right there. One of the best buys was when the Kassins purchased the Loch Arbor Site Years ago, the marine grill site WAS almost built upon Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - rack'em pack'em and stack'em
Northern and Western Monmouth overlords have the $ and the power, and they will be soaking up all the open space funding. Our only shot at largess is to assist them by accepting our Urban asthetic and continue to further Urbanize, which they are trying to avoid. We're Urban anyway, so grow with it. Forget open spaces in AP. It isn't who we are. Rack'em pack'em and stack'em. It's time to go vertical and build high. You can't lay our problems on the disastrous planning and political power of suburbia; it wasn't they that gave away 56 acres of Asbury's best, that catastrophe is home grown. The continuing urbanization of Asbury isn't a second best option, it is the path to an enhanced quality of life and greater economic power, but neither demands the elimination of all open space; that and specifically the demise of the triangles was Weldon's and Aaron's doing. Were urbanization nothing more than rack'em pack'em and stack'em Manhattan wouldn't have Central Park nor any other open spaces. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
It sounds like a good idea, and in a perfect world it makes a lot of sense. But lets be realistic here. This city has not been able to get its house in order, and this Council has consistently used City owned property to rearrange the deck chairs on the economic Titanic. Nothing they have done in 5 years has shown they have the ability to successfully redevelop anything. Why don't they start small see if they have the wherewithal to put an actual plan together to make Springwood a viable destination where there is none, rather than giving them more prime property to shove Condos on? Maybe this is the perfect opportunity to get some volunteers from New Brunswick's DevCo to offer opinions, since they seem to have a knack for putting unwanted property back onto the taxrolls getting it to thrive. Property will always become available. Heck, once all the year-round families are forced out the city can choose any one of the grammar schools to put the new muni complex on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this was just brought up in a previous post and I wanted to gauge your opinions anyway, please let me know your thoughts. In the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee we are obviously considering many options. Let me be clear that right now there is mixed use of everything being considered: Stores, housing, rec, etc. One idea in the mix is to build a new state of the art municipal complex on Springwood to house City Hall, Police Department and Fire Department. The experience Cookman has shown is that it is still very difficult to bring people to AP to shop because of the the safety factor (even though it is safe as anywhere else. I had 2 calls this week from Monmouth people as to whether it was safe to come to my office). If we are still trying to convince them that Downtown is safe, we are light years from convincing them shopping on Springwood is safe. It seems to me that putting the Municipal complex on Springwood would not only make it feel safer due to the police being there, but it will create automatic foot traffic of hundreds of people a day down there between workers and people doing business with the City. It can be an instant anchor for whatever stores we can build there near it. It will also open up 3 blocks of prime main street that the City is on now to be developed (stores, parking garage, walkway to downtown, etc). What are your thoughts in this regard? Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
