Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Need help from our teacher

2007-01-03 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
Frank  (asburycheech) wrote: 


Unfortunately, what we got from the  administration was a whole lot of lip 
service and humoring. It's still do-able  if the state ever
decides to listen to us. 


 
That is unfortunate, maybe even irresponsible.   Apparently, this problem is 
not unique to our area; the middle school issue made  it to the front page 
today:  _Trying  to Find Solutions in Chaotic Middle Schools - New York Times_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/education/03middle.html?hpex=1167886800en=3e
af833f60cb0149ei=5059partner=AOL)  
 
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Excerpts:
 
 
Driven by newly documented slumps in learning, by crime rates and by high  
dropout rates in high school, educators across New York and the nation are  
struggling to rethink middle school and how best to teach adolescents at a  
transitional juncture of self-discovery and hormonal change.  
The difficulty of educating this age group is felt even in many wealthy  
suburban school districts. But it is particularly intense in cities, where the  
problems that are compounded in middle school are more acute to begin with and  
where the search for solutions is most urgent
The troubles transcend test scores. While 74 percent of elementary schools  
reported at least one violent incident in the 2003-4 school year, 94 percent of 
 middle schools did, federal statistics show. 

 
Much of the article deals with common occurrences and a grab bag of  
strategies familiar to many of us, but for me the saddest part is the  
frustration 
expressed: You handle stuff like that and you go, 'O.K., now  you want me to 
raise test scores?'  They don't really think past  tomorrow.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Isn't that one  of the suggestions being floated (Frank D) to combine 
 the schools into  a K-8?


Hi Dan and Group,

Two and a half years ago, the  majority of the school board asked
the administration to go in the direction  of K-8 rather than K-5 and
Middle School. The literature on the subject  indicated that in
Suburban districts, the Middle School or Junior High  concept worked
relatively well, whereas in rural and urban, the K-8 model  was
preferable. One of the biggest problems was concentration of all  of
the kids at the most vulnerable and impressionable points in  their
lives all in one building. That was a recipe for disater, and it  has
been, to say the very least, counterproductive. Perhaps a  more
important problem has been to get the parents to continue to  be
involved in the education of their children beyond the 5th grade. 
That  would be easier to achieve with the K-8 model. Also, freeing
up the Middle  School building would allow the community to turn that
into a district-wide  special charter-like school with its own unique
programs and rules, etc.,  giving parents the choice of one of the
three neighborhood K-8 buildings or  the city-wide K-8 school. 
Unfortunately, what we got from the administration  was a whole lot of
lip service and humoring. It's still do-able if the state  ever
decides to listen to us. 
As a member of the board, I'm obliged by  Board policy to state
that I do not speak for the board.
Frank  D'Alessandro




   


[AsburyPark] trader joe's

2007-01-03 Thread dfsavgny
We need to have a lot of people contact TJ telling them we want them in AP. 
Flood the company with requests.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Help on the way We need some information

2007-01-03 Thread kyangazi denson
I have had some good luck with an Asbury Park contractor by the name of Donel,  
you can reach him at 732-6044209. He did a very good job on my roof and water 
heater.  He's also going to do my deck in spring and waterproff my basement.  
   
  Also a handyman by the name of Rubin.  He can be reached at 732-784-0095,  He 
painted my whole house from outside to inside, basement to attic, not bad for 
the price I paid,
   
  Now just like friends who introduce lovers, I am reluctant to give this info 
because you may tie them up before they finish my jobs, LOL
   
  I always put my ads in the Coaster, Asbury Park Press and at the University 
of Monmouthm Brookdale, etc
   
  Good luck to you and keep me posted as to your progress
   
  Shangazi

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Need help from our teacher

2007-01-03 Thread firemer
As a retired administrator for the NYC school system, I found that the K-8  
model was preferable since the parents and teachers got to know one another for 
 a much longer time.  In this situation, the students tended to act out less  
since the principal knew each of the names of the students and had a closer  
relationship with each of the parents.   The test scores were also  much 
higher for students in grades 5-8 in a K-8 setting.  Until reading and  math 
scores 
improve in Asbury Park, many middle class parents, especially black  middle 
class parents, will continue to send their studious children to private  
schools. I think that a mixture of needy families along with middle class  
families 
working together is what is needed to give us a well needed turn around  in 
our schools. Since the number of students in Asbury Park schools is not that  
large, it should not be that difficult to place test prep programs in the  
schools during the school day.  In addition, students in risk of academic  
failure 
should attend math and reading boot camp after school, on Saturdays and  
during the vacation periods.  If these programs can work in the poorest  
schools in 
the South Bronx, they most certainly can work in Asbury Park. As a  result in 
the reading and math score improvement in the South Bronx, students  felt 
more confident and better about themselves and saw educational success as  an 
alternative to gang membership. The other thing that we did in the South  Bronx 
was to bring in successful role models of color, other than rap stars and  
sports stars for the students to identify with and aspire to. We brought in  
CEOs, 
superintendents, politicians and other successful businessmen of color for  
the students see, hear and relate with. The message was that today more than  
ever there are more high level job opportunities  for students of color who  
have succeeded in school.  The message that we instilled upon the students  is 
that there is hope.


Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Need help from our teacher

2007-01-03 Thread denise richardson
We have a very good charter school in Ap already


--- asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Isn't that one of the suggestions being floated
 (Frank D) to combine 
  the schools into a K-8?
 
 
 Hi Dan and Group,
 
 Two and a half years ago, the majority of the
 school board asked
 the administration to go in the direction of K-8
 rather than K-5 and
 Middle School.  The literature on the subject
 indicated that in
 Suburban districts, the Middle School or Junior High
 concept worked
 relatively well, whereas in rural and urban, the K-8
 model was
 preferable.  One of the biggest problems was
 concentration of all of
 the kids at the most vulnerable and impressionable
 points in their
 lives all in one building.  That was a recipe for
 disater, and it has
 been, to say the very least, counterproductive. 
 Perhaps a more
 important problem has been to get the parents to
 continue to be
 involved in the education of their children beyond
 the 5th grade. 
 That would be easier to achieve with the K-8 model. 
 Also, freeing
 up the Middle School building would allow the
 community to turn that
 into a district-wide special charter-like school
 with its own unique
 programs and rules, etc., giving parents the choice
 of one of the
 three neighborhood K-8 buildings or the city-wide
 K-8 school. 
 Unfortunately, what we got from the administration
 was a whole lot of
 lip service and humoring.  It's still do-able if the
 state ever
 decides to listen to us. 
  As a member of the board, I'm obliged by Board
 policy to state
 that I do not speak for the board.
  Frank D'Alessandro
  
   
 
 


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[AsburyPark] Re: Need help from our teacher

2007-01-03 Thread Fred
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well said, I couldn't agree any more but you still need the 
leadership of the Administarion and the Teachers something that's 
just not there right now. That's why the next Super has to be a GOOD 
ONE. 



As a retired administrator for the NYC school system, I found that 
the K-8  
 model was preferable since the parents and teachers got to know one 
another for 
  a much longer time.  In this situation, the students tended to act 
out less  
 since the principal knew each of the names of the students and had 
a closer  
 relationship with each of the parents.   The test scores were also  
much 
 higher for students in grades 5-8 in a K-8 setting.  Until reading 
and  math scores 
 improve in Asbury Park, many middle class parents, especially 
black  middle 
 class parents, will continue to send their studious children to 
private  
 schools. I think that a mixture of needy families along with middle 
class  families 
 working together is what is needed to give us a well needed turn 
around  in 
 our schools. Since the number of students in Asbury Park schools is 
not that  
 large, it should not be that difficult to place test prep programs 
in the  
 schools during the school day.  In addition, students in risk of 
academic  failure 
 should attend math and reading boot camp after school, on Saturdays 
and  
 during the vacation periods.  If these programs can work in the 
poorest  schools in 
 the South Bronx, they most certainly can work in Asbury Park. As a  
result in 
 the reading and math score improvement in the South Bronx, 
students  felt 
 more confident and better about themselves and saw educational 
success as  an 
 alternative to gang membership. The other thing that we did in the 
South  Bronx 
 was to bring in successful role models of color, other than rap 
stars and  
 sports stars for the students to identify with and aspire to. We 
brought in  CEOs, 
 superintendents, politicians and other successful businessmen of 
color for  
 the students see, hear and relate with. The message was that today 
more than  
 ever there are more high level job opportunities  for students of 
color who  
 have succeeded in school.  The message that we instilled upon the 
students  is 
 that there is hope.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Need help from our teacher

2007-01-03 Thread justifiedright
Wow! Hey Frank, can we give this guy a job?  I nominate him to be 
the next Super in AP.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As a retired administrator for the NYC school system, I found that 
the K-8  
 model was preferable since the parents and teachers got to know 
one another for 
  a much longer time.  In this situation, the students tended to 
act out less  
 since the principal knew each of the names of the students and had 
a closer  
 relationship with each of the parents.   The test scores were 
also  much 
 higher for students in grades 5-8 in a K-8 setting.  Until reading 
and  math scores 
 improve in Asbury Park, many middle class parents, especially 
black  middle 
 class parents, will continue to send their studious children to 
private  
 schools. I think that a mixture of needy families along with 
middle class  families 
 working together is what is needed to give us a well needed turn 
around  in 
 our schools. Since the number of students in Asbury Park schools 
is not that  
 large, it should not be that difficult to place test prep programs 
in the  
 schools during the school day.  In addition, students in risk of 
academic  failure 
 should attend math and reading boot camp after school, on 
Saturdays and  
 during the vacation periods.  If these programs can work in the 
poorest  schools in 
 the South Bronx, they most certainly can work in Asbury Park. As 
a  result in 
 the reading and math score improvement in the South Bronx, 
students  felt 
 more confident and better about themselves and saw educational 
success as  an 
 alternative to gang membership. The other thing that we did in the 
South  Bronx 
 was to bring in successful role models of color, other than rap 
stars and  
 sports stars for the students to identify with and aspire to. We 
brought in  CEOs, 
 superintendents, politicians and other successful businessmen of 
color for  
 the students see, hear and relate with. The message was that today 
more than  
 ever there are more high level job opportunities  for students of 
color who  
 have succeeded in school.  The message that we instilled upon the 
students  is 
 that there is hope.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: trader joe's

2007-01-03 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there a specific link you can use to make a request? I went to 
there website, and couldn't 
 find one.


There is a contact us page and then a scroll bar for the subject. One 
of the subjects is location request or suggestion. DO it, but I am 
going to get a name and address of a person so we can send letters in.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Need help from our teacher

2007-01-03 Thread asburycheech
Think we're on the same wave-length here, but it would be nice to know
who this fellow (I assume from the moniker that it's a man) is and, if
he's a resident of Asbury, why he's not on the school board at the
very least.  And yes, the Middle School building is more than 30 years
old.  Just one man's opinion, but it's part of that grotesque
architecture of the 1970's, not at all conducive to education.  It is
to education what that ugly pile of bricks called City Hall on Main
Street is to good government.
  
   Frank D'Alessandro




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow! Hey Frank, can we give this guy a job?  I nominate him to be 
 the next Super in AP.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, firemer@ wrote:
 
  As a retired administrator for the NYC school system, I found that 
 the K-8  
  model was preferable since the parents and teachers got to know 
 one another for 
   a much longer time.  In this situation, the students tended to 
 act out less  
  since the principal knew each of the names of the students and had 
 a closer  
  relationship with each of the parents.   The test scores were 
 also  much 
  higher for students in grades 5-8 in a K-8 setting.  Until reading 
 and  math scores 
  improve in Asbury Park, many middle class parents, especially 
 black  middle 
  class parents, will continue to send their studious children to 
 private  
  schools. I think that a mixture of needy families along with 
 middle class  families 
  working together is what is needed to give us a well needed turn 
 around  in 
  our schools. Since the number of students in Asbury Park schools 
 is not that  
  large, it should not be that difficult to place test prep programs 
 in the  
  schools during the school day.  In addition, students in risk of 
 academic  failure 
  should attend math and reading boot camp after school, on 
 Saturdays and  
  during the vacation periods.  If these programs can work in the 
 poorest  schools in 
  the South Bronx, they most certainly can work in Asbury Park. As 
 a  result in 
  the reading and math score improvement in the South Bronx, 
 students  felt 
  more confident and better about themselves and saw educational 
 success as  an 
  alternative to gang membership. The other thing that we did in the 
 South  Bronx 
  was to bring in successful role models of color, other than rap 
 stars and  
  sports stars for the students to identify with and aspire to. We 
 brought in  CEOs, 
  superintendents, politicians and other successful businessmen of 
 color for  
  the students see, hear and relate with. The message was that today 
 more than  
  ever there are more high level job opportunities  for students of 
 color who  
  have succeeded in school.  The message that we instilled upon the 
 students  is 
  that there is hope.
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: trader joe's

2007-01-03 Thread Hinge
Done

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Is there a specific link you can use to make a request? I went to 
 there website, and couldn't 
  find one.
 
 
 There is a contact us page and then a scroll bar for the subject. One 
 of the subjects is location request or suggestion. DO it, but I am 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Need help from our teacher

2007-01-03 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Think we're on the same wave-length here, but it would be nice to 
know
 who this fellow (I assume from the moniker that it's a man) is and, 
if
 he's a resident of Asbury, why he's not on the school board at the
 very least.  And yes, the Middle School building is more than 30 
years
 old.  Just one man's opinion, but it's part of that grotesque
 architecture of the 1970's, not at all conducive to education.  It 
is
 to education what that ugly pile of bricks called City Hall on Main
 Street is to good government.
   
Frank D'Alessandro
 
 
 
 
while i might agree with you that both bldgs. today are ugly, when 
the middle school was built and city hall built it wasnt like it was 
done in a vacum, both were designed and went thru the public approval 
process, obviously flawed, more so city hall, they knocked down that 
beautiful old train station for what we have, that was a mistake, 
hindsight is perfect , but 2 ugly blds. should not be an excuse for 
poor peformances by their attendees or employees.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette

2007-01-03 Thread restore881FM
Tonight at the Council Meeting, I asked for an update on the status of the 
Madison Marquette participation and finally got confirmation that there is no 
contract between Marquette and the Partners.
It can really hurt a town's credibility when the news media takes on a 
booster role. 
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