[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
sorry about resurrecting such an old post but http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10252015 Economist.com Food prices The end of cheap food Dec 6th 2007 From The Economist print edition Rising food prices are a threat to many; they also present the world with an enormous opportunity FOR as long as most people can remember, food has been getting cheaper and farming has been in decline. In 1974-2005 food prices on world markets fell by three-quarters in real terms. Food today is so cheap that the West is battling gluttony even as it scrapes piles of half-eaten leftovers into the bin. That is why this year's price rise has been so extraordinary. Since the spring, wheat prices have doubled and almost every crop under the sunmaize, milk, oilseeds, you name itis at or near a peak in nominal terms. The Economist's food-price index is higher today than at any time since it was created in 1845 (see chart). Even in real terms, prices have jumped by 75% since 2005. No doubt farmers will meet higher prices with investment and more production, but dearer food is likely to persist for years (see article). That is because agflation is underpinned by long-running changes in diet that accompany the growing wealth of emerging economiesthe Chinese consumer who ate 20kg (44lb) of meat in 1985 will scoff over 50kg of the stuff this year. That in turn pushes up demand for grain: it takes 8kg of grain to produce one of beef. But the rise in prices is also the self-inflicted result of America's reckless ethanol subsidies. This year biofuels will take a third of America's (record) maize harvest. That affects food markets directly: fill up an SUV's fuel tank with ethanol and you have used enough maize to feed a person for a year. And it affects them indirectly, as farmers switch to maize from other crops. The 30m tonnes of extra maize going to ethanol this year amounts to half the fall in the world's overall grain stocks. Dearer food has the capacity to do enormous good and enormous harm. It will hurt urban consumers, especially in poor countries, by increasing the price of what is already the most expensive item in their household budgets. It will benefit farmers and agricultural communities by increasing the rewards of their labour; in many poor rural places it will boost the most important source of jobs and economic growth. Although the cost of food is determined by fundamental patterns of demand and supply, the balance between good and ill also depends in part on governments. If politicians do nothing, or the wrong things, the world faces more misery, especially among the urban poor. If they get policy right, they can help increase the wealth of the poorest nations, aid the rural poor, rescue farming from subsidies and neglectand minimise the harm to the slum-dwellers and landless labourers. So far, the auguries look gloomy. In the trough That, at least, is the lesson of half a century of food policy. Whatever the supposed threatthe lack of food security, rural poverty, environmental stewardshipthe world seems to have only one solution: government intervention. Most of the subsidies and trade barriers have come at a huge cost. The trillions of dollars spent supporting farmers in rich countries have led to higher taxes, worse food, intensively farmed monocultures, overproduction and world prices that wreck the lives of poor farmers in the emerging markets. And for what? Despite the help, plenty of Western farmers have been beset by poverty. Increasing productivity means you need fewer farmers, which steadily drives the least efficient off the land. Even a vast subsidy cannot reverse that. With agflation, policy has reached a new level of self-parody. Take America's supposedly verdant ethanol subsidies. It is not just that they are supporting a relatively dirty version of ethanol (far better to import Brazil's sugar-based liquor); they are also offsetting older grain subsidies that lowered prices by encouraging overproduction. Intervention multiplies like lies. Now countries such as Russia and Venezuela have imposed price controlsan aid to consumersto offset America's aid to ethanol producers. Meanwhile, high grain prices are persuading people to clear forests to plant more maize. Dearer food is a chance to break this dizzying cycle. Higher market prices make it possible to reduce subsidies without hurting incomes. A farm bill is now going through America's Congress. The European Union has promised a root-and-branch review (not yet reform) of its farm-support scheme. The reforms of the past few decades have, in fact, grappled with the rich world's farm programmesbut only timidly. Now comes the chance for politicians to show that they are serious when they say they want to put agriculture right. Cutting rich-world subsidies and trade barriers would help taxpayers; it could revive the stalled Doha round of world trade talks, boosting the
[AsburyPark] Why AP will work year round
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[AsburyPark] FYI _ Housing
ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Sad to say, it's becoming increasingly clear that the national housing picture has turned much more gory than anyone might have imagined; likewise, repeated Wall Street forecasts that a meaningful housing rebound will kick off by mid-2008 appear to have little or no legitimacy. Some housing industry experts suggest the implications are ominous, that the worsening housing slump will accelerate the likelihood of a recession despite a rise in the number of working Americans, and will play havoc with the stock market. Taking note of the growing number of negative housing stories appearing on TV and in newspapers, a veteran real estate developer, Robert Sheridan, tells me: The press, unlike Wall Street, is finally getting the message. Housing is not in a slump, but in a deepening recession that has at least another two to four years to run; it's also in the midst of a serious readjustment of prices. He figures that the readjustment will eventually see prices of single-family homes plummet 10% to 20% and condominiums tumble 20% to 40%. The picture is getting darker and darker by the day, he says. Turning around housing will be like turning around a battleship. Further, the CEO of Chicago-based Robert Sheridan Partners, who has been developing homes around the country since 1975, says he believes it will take another year or two before the mortgage market stabilizes. He also sees at least 2 million foreclosures over the next two years. Ridiculing repeated Wall Street forecasts of a second-half turnaround in 2008, Mr. Sheridan argues: They're dead wrong; the forecasters must be smoking something. The latest worrisome housing trends and figures strongly indicate the Street may indeed be way too euphoric about an impending recovery. In brief: Amid slowing housing demand, a near record 4.45 million existing homes are on the market, versus roughly 2.5 million in the late 1990s. Foreclosure filings are ballooning. There were 224,451 in October, up 94% from October 2006. New home prices last month fell 13% from year-earlier levels, the biggest drop since 1970, while the median price of existing homes dropped 5.1%, the single largest monthly decline ever. A recent Federal Reserve study shows a record 40.8% of lenders have tightened their lending standards on prime mortgages, which should further depress housing sales. At the end of September, about 6% of mortgage borrowers were behind in their payments, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. That's up from 4.6% a year earlier, and it's the worst reading since 1986. A record 0.78% of all American mortgages entered foreclosure in the September quarter, and the overall foreclosure rate jumped to 1.69%, the highest since 1982. Estimates are making the rounds that over the next year new home prices will drop 13%, while existing home prices will fall 15%. Reflecting these developments, investment adviser Michael Larson, a dogged housing industry tracker, concludes that the housing downturn has at least another year to go and could easily spill over into 2009. As a result, he sees further sales weakness and at least another 5% to 10% decline in home prices. I think the sellers are finally getting the message and cutting prices, he says. He takes a dim view of the government's plan to ease the crisis by freezing rates on subprime mortgages. That's no panacea, certainly not a cure-all, Mr. Larson, associate editor of the Safe Money Report, a monthly newsletter in Jupiter, Fla., says. It's difficult to see how you're going to get everyone on the same page, he observes, referring to such participants as the developer, banker, investor, and those who service the mortgage. You have to get a lot of parties to agree to a freeze; it won't be easy. He further notes that 40% to 60% of homeowners whose loans are modified eventually still default. Some smaller homebuilders have already filed for bankruptcy, and Mr. Larsen looks for more of the same from the larger publicly owned ranks. In particular, he points to Standard Pacific and Beazer Homes. His newsletter has already expressed similar sentiments about troubled Countrywide Financial, the country's largest mortgage lender. Making matters worse, the mortgage and housing crises, Mr. Larson says, could cost investors and banks some $400 billion from write-downs and losses on mortgage-related securities. He further cites estimated total losses to household wealth of between $2 trillion and $4 trillion. It all sounds pretty ugly, but our two housing bears see an even uglier tone, with both telling me the worst is yet to come. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[AsburyPark] Re: Why AP will work year round
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/travel/escapes/07deep.html?ref=realestate And there are tons of houses for sale south of AC. At least 5 per block. Also, more development in AC - because AC is more and more a year round resort. Entertainment, shopping and food. America Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why AP will work year round
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there are tons of houses for sale south of AC. At least 5 per block. Also, more development in AC - because AC is more and more a year round resort. Entertainment, shopping and food. America Yes, and it is fine for people further south, or from Philly. AP works for us Yankees. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
Builder puts Asbury high-rise project on hold By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU The Hoboken developer building the 224-unit Esperanza high-rise on the city's beachfront says it is temporarily closing down the construction site and sales office. Dean Geibel, president of Metro Homes, said the company recently informed the city that it was halting construction and sale until such time market conditions allows us to move forward and successfully complete this important luxury beachfront development. Full story: http://tinyurl.com/3632jc --- The key to a good Redevlopment plan is to diversify land uses and anticipate changes in regional economics. Doing so would have assured that no single 'land use' dictated the future economic success of the City. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
WOW. That's really, really, bad. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
Oh great. C-8 anyone? Now we are going to have a partially complete constuction site to further make our oceanfront area look like crap. Awesome. Predictions for the both long and short term health of the real estate market are depressing and scary, and not going to be solved anytime soon. This is going to hurt our city. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Builder puts Asbury high-rise project on hold By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU The Hoboken developer building the 224-unit Esperanza high-rise on the city's beachfront says it is temporarily closing down the construction site and sales office. Dean Geibel, president of Metro Homes, said the company recently informed the city that it was halting construction and sale until such time market conditions allows us to move forward and successfully complete this important luxury beachfront development. Full story: http://tinyurl.com/3632jc --- The key to a good Redevlopment plan is to diversify land uses and anticipate changes in regional economics. Doing so would have assured that no single 'land use' dictated the future economic success of the City. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Builder puts Asbury high-rise project on hold By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU The Hoboken developer building the 224-unit Esperanza high-rise on the city's beachfront says it is temporarily closing down the construction site and sales office. Absolutely disasterous. I am quite aware of difficulties being experienced by developers even in NYC, which appears on the surface to be the healthiest market. The cost and availability of financing is drastically different than it was a few months ago. Most lenders are out of the market and those that are in are charging much higher rates and requiring much more equity. What troubles me is Dean's talk of redesigning the project. Hmmm. What does that mean? Either your plan was sound or it was not. Are they looking simply to spend less money or did they misjudge the market, regardless of the credit crisis? What troubles me is that some of us said that this might become another C-8. I hope not. But, how long will the city allow it to be mothballed? How long will we have to sit with another unfinished project? The CAFRA permit was received in 2004. The residential market and interest rates did not start to hiccup until the second half of 2006. Deals to subdevelopers should have been in the works while the CAFRA was pending. I know, I am going back on my recent pledge to move forward and not cry over spilled milk. Not really. But this is what Partners' and its greed has wrought and what we allowed them to do. I am sure the construction lenders simply reneged on their committments. Metro is not the only one in this position. But the financing can be had. More equity must be put in. They paid toomuch for the land. If summer rolls around and that site is idle, it will be validation of all the naysayers who said not to believe that this city could come back. If they are not going to build, make it a park. The worse thing to have is another C-8 hanging around. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
This is a clear sign that validates something many of us have said for a long time...The Asbury beachfront was never meant to be condo city. This would be the perfect moment to get Asbury Partners the hell out of here, and begin redeveloping toward the direction it always should've been...entertainment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Builder puts Asbury high-rise project on hold By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU The Hoboken developer building the 224-unit Esperanza high-rise on the city's beachfront says it is temporarily closing down the construction site and sales office. Absolutely disasterous. I am quite aware of difficulties being experienced by developers even in NYC, which appears on the surface to be the healthiest market. The cost and availability of financing is drastically different than it was a few months ago. Most lenders are out of the market and those that are in are charging much higher rates and requiring much more equity. What troubles me is Dean's talk of redesigning the project. Hmmm. What does that mean? Either your plan was sound or it was not. Are they looking simply to spend less money or did they misjudge the market, regardless of the credit crisis? What troubles me is that some of us said that this might become another C-8. I hope not. But, how long will the city allow it to be mothballed? How long will we have to sit with another unfinished project? The CAFRA permit was received in 2004. The residential market and interest rates did not start to hiccup until the second half of 2006. Deals to subdevelopers should have been in the works while the CAFRA was pending. I know, I am going back on my recent pledge to move forward and not cry over spilled milk. Not really. But this is what Partners' and its greed has wrought and what we allowed them to do. I am sure the construction lenders simply reneged on their committments. Metro is not the only one in this position. But the financing can be had. More equity must be put in. They paid toomuch for the land. If summer rolls around and that site is idle, it will be validation of all the naysayers who said not to believe that this city could come back. If they are not going to build, make it a park. The worse thing to have is another C-8 hanging around. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This would be the perfect moment to get Asbury Partners the hell out of here How? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
Good question. I wish I had an answer. Reading Fishman's comments at the end of that article makes my blood boil. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: This would be the perfect moment to get Asbury Partners the hell out of here How? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question. I wish I had an answer. Reading Fishman's comments at the end of that article makes my blood boil. Well those are perhaps a key to the whole thing. Fishman said he could not discuss if his company could decrease the amount of money it is to make from the Esperanza as the master developer. Is Metro using this as a lever in its negotiations with Partners? Why are we being used as a bargaining chip? Not having something built there is better than having something (again) unfinished. Which is why when I was fighting the ability of Metro to rebuild to the old C-8 height when the plan said it could not if demolished I was against giving Metro a gift. The developer is not your buddy. While you can cooperate, it is a naturally adversarial role that a city must take. Who is our friend now? Something doesn't make sense. If this was intended to be a temporary postponement to regroup and line up additional financing and equity, why not keep it quiet? No one would have noticed a slowdown during the winter. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
Looks like that site has a curse on it! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rkgsx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW. That's really, really, bad. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: When a City Relies on a Myopic Plan....
Or at least take another look on whether or not it is wise (for anyone) to have so many condo projects undergoing at the same time. Maybe they should go from one finished project to another rather than hope there's enough people to want to move to Asbury to fill all of the places planned. Jack Pitzer wrote: This is a clear sign that validates something many of us have said for a long time...The Asbury beachfront was never meant to be condo city. This would be the perfect moment to get Asbury Partners the hell out of here, and begin redeveloping toward the direction it always should've been...entertainment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Builder puts Asbury high-rise project on hold By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU The Hoboken developer building the 224-unit Esperanza high-rise on the city's beachfront says it is temporarily closing down the construction site and sales office. Absolutely disasterous. I am quite aware of difficulties being experienced by developers even in NYC, which appears on the surface to be the healthiest market. The cost and availability of financing is drastically different than it was a few months ago. Most lenders are out of the market and those that are in are charging much higher rates and requiring much more equity. What troubles me is Dean's talk of redesigning the project. Hmmm. What does that mean? Either your plan was sound or it was not. Are they looking simply to spend less money or did they misjudge the market, regardless of the credit crisis? What troubles me is that some of us said that this might become another C-8. I hope not. But, how long will the city allow it to be mothballed? How long will we have to sit with another unfinished project? The CAFRA permit was received in 2004. The residential market and interest rates did not start to hiccup until the second half of 2006. Deals to subdevelopers should have been in the works while the CAFRA was pending. I know, I am going back on my recent pledge to move forward and not cry over spilled milk. Not really. But this is what Partners' and its greed has wrought and what we allowed them to do. I am sure the construction lenders simply reneged on their committments. Metro is not the only one in this position. But the financing can be had. More equity must be put in. They paid toomuch for the land. If summer rolls around and that site is idle, it will be validation of all the naysayers who said not to believe that this city could come back. If they are not going to build, make it a park. The worse thing to have is another C-8 hanging around. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Hey - what about that old budget.
Don't worry. The state will now have to cover AP for at least another 5 years. The esp at this point was 12-18 months from being complete. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Cut the loss
Maybe it just came down to economics. To finish they probably have to go another $100m or more. Also, what would the redesign be - two big rectangles - no swooping finish no cabanas or carpeting vs marble? What no one wants to pay an extra $30 or 40k here yet to park their car? Most people want to spend $375,000 to $800,00 for a second home. Then there are those that can do more but so are their options. And..lots of times its cheaper to RENT then to OWN - especially if you're unsure about the development. Also, seeing N.Beach not really sold or occupied and Wesley Grove almost empty -isn't reassuring. You need to fill Wesley Grove. You'll need to fill The Blu, The Griffin, Steinbach and the rest of them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] This too shall pass.
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[AsburyPark] on Giving Trees on Wii
Had to stop at Starbucks at Seaview on 66. On the way out, I noticed a gift wish basket. A name, followed by: (partial list) Hooded Jacket sweatshirt size 7 shoes jeans mountain bike Then another: Queen size sheets, Clothes Blanket That was 2 real simple lists. Seemed real. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This too shall pass.
oh good, does that mean you'll be leaving? Greed always falls. No town needs million dollar condos. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: my daughter
haunted by corruption and greed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Delusions of Grandeur
you are ridiculous! i didn't like the shit on the bwalk...i loved ap despite itdoesn't seem like the millionaires will be payin the taxes either, and where did i call for anarchy? wake you! how many times can the same story fail before people call out the bullshitters and the greedy. admit it your delusions didn't serve... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Cut the loss
of course it comes down to economics, and people who don't understand economics but love the idea of millionaires on the beach. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Delusions of Grandeur
oh I just figured out where your call for anarchy comment came fromthe open seats on city council...that's called democracy. when leaders fail, they get replaced...something my family and maybe yours fought hard for a few hundred years ago. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Cut the loss
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course it comes down to economics, and people who don't understand economics but love the idea of millionaires on the beach. actually for someone coming in at the lower end of the pricing were getting some of the best value in Monmouth County, depending on how you define value. Not all millon $ homes. Same for Wesley. Same for units that would of been rented year round or using the condo/hotel approach. Wait and see what happens. There is a shortage of oceanfront rentals and hotel space. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
