[AsburyPark] Re: boardwalk.......awful, awesome or somewhere inbetween?
You wouldn't have written this, if you had visited New Orleans. There IS no parallel to the tragedy there and the situation here! NONE at all! After almost 3 years, they are still finding bodies, people are still displaced. Like slavery, the residents were given ONE-way tickets out and are unable to return on their own. Would you, with the toxic, poisonous trailers, they were issued? No, you have no idea! Their culture, food and way of life has been altered permanently! If I wanted to move back, unless I own property, I'd have to be Angeline Jolie, to move back! Whites are being cheated out of their property, as well as Blacks, whose property was inherited. Public Housing was demolished, rather than reopened and those buildings were structurally sound. Stick to Asbury Park, which is the equivalent to one neighborhood, there! Jazz is but ONE thing, Blacks gave to America. Pride in one's self, is the other. A Catholic City, where even the Jews are Catholic, as everyone there practices Catholicism, whether they want to or not and yet, the government told New Orleans to go to hell! You have no idea! It is still the most European City in the Western Hemisphere. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com , nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote: if the bw is really that dissappointing why bother even coming here when you could spend your time somewhere else? The situation in Asbury Park neither will, nor even could, be as simple as you can always go somewhere else. During and immediately following Hurricane Katrina, plenty of people outside the United States, may of whom had never been to New Orleans, were genuinely horrified http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/09/07/worldviews.\ DTL and disappointed by the devastation and government reaction to the tragedy there. They had no financial ties to the city and certainly paid no taxes to the government whose responsibility it was to provide security, and then relief, to the citizens displaced by the flood. Yet they were no less sincerely distraught because of it. This is because New Orleans, arguably more than any other American city, occupies a special place in the collective conscience of people outside the United States. It is home to a cultural legacy (namely jazz) as indispensible to the global community as French Impressionism, Tango, Greek playwriting, or the Egyptian pyramids. So when the cradle of that legacy was so visibly damaged, the impact was felt far more deeply and personally a world away than when the small towns of Illinois and Iowa flooded last month. A parallel phenomenon exists with Asbury Park, albeit on a less global scale. Despite its decidedly undemocratic roots, the town eventually evolved from Asbury Park, NJ into Asbury Park, U.S.A. a national playground on the level of a Niagara Falls, a Hershey, a Williamsburg, or a Coney Island. The town's cultural legacy, warts http://www.publications.villanova.edu/Concept/2007/07_papers_html/Goldb\ erg.GreetingsfromJimCrow.htm and all http://books.google.com/books?id=RaT7Ip9RXZ8C , became America's. Conversely, the residents' concerns, vis-à-vis redevelopment, became America's. Thus, when Madison Marquette indeed restores a Paramount Theatre so well, they are rightly lauded by those both in and outside the city. When they couple such high-quality restoration with low-quality letdowns like the 5th Avenue Pavilion and the container shops, however, many outside the city feel as robbed as they would if they lived for 30 years on Sewall or Emory. When the developers ignore key aspects of signed agreements with the city, and the city's own representatives forgive it with an almost-flippant those plans were supplanted, it is not only city residents' faces being slapped. Much like the Katrina situation. Now, of course there is no comparison between Madison Marquette and the government in terms of authority or consequences. No one has lost there lives due to MM's actions or inactions and it would be difficult to imagine a scenario where anyone would. But, as they must surely realize by now, in taking on this project MM has entered into an unwritten yet tangible covenant with every American concerned with his or her nation's cultural legacy regardless of residence. Our heritage is in their hands. That is why you can't simply tell someone disappointed in the current direction of the boardwalk, There are other places you can go. Those who want to see Asbury Park finally fulfill its promise economically, socially, culturally are not looking for someplace to go. They are desperately seeking some assurance that quality is not the province of the well-connected, that citizens of any background can still enjoy unfettered access to community resources, and that government and the private sector can indeed meet
[AsburyPark] ITS BEEN A YEAR AT RESTAURANT PLAN B
JULY 28,2007 DEAR FRIENDS AND FAMILY... WOW, WE CANNOT BELIEVE THAT AN ENTIRE YEAR HAS GONE BY. ONE YEAR AGO THIS WEDNESDAY, JOHN AND I SERVED OUR FIRST CUSTOMER, THURSDAY WE FED OUR STAFF FOR THE FIRST TIME ...AND FRIDAY...THE FIRST NIGHT RESTAURANT PLAN B WAS OPEN. IT HAD BEEN A QUICK YEAR... IT HAS BEEN AN EXICITING YEAR...IT HAS BEEN A STRESSFUL YEAR. THIS WEEKEND WE ARE PLANNING A LOW KEY CELEBRATION...WE WILL HAVE LIVE MUSIC SATURDAY NIGHT (HOPEFULLY ON THE SIDEWALK, WITH GOOD WEATHER), SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR YOUR TASTE BUDS. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT THIS YEAR. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND PATRIONAGE IN THE YEARS TO COME. SOME UPCOMING EVENTS IN AND AROUND PLAN B ARE... FRIDAY, AUGUST 1ST CRYBABY GALLERY AT 717 COOKMAN AVE WILL BE HOSTING... THE PORNO JIM SHOW, 10.00 SUGGESTED DONATION. THIS IS A MUST DO. (_WWW.PORNOJIM.COM_ (http://www.PORNOJIM.COM) ) DON'T FORGET YOU CAN DINE BEFORE THE SHOW OR JOIN US FOR OUR LATE NITE BITES MENU AFTER THE SHOW. YOU CAN CALL THE GALLERY AT 732-869-0606 FOR MORE INFORMATION WEDNESDAY AUGUST 6 TH, PARANORMAL BOOKS AND CURIOSITIES (_WWW.PARANORMALBOOKSNJ.COM_ (http://www.PARANORMALBOOKSNJ.COM) ) WILL BE HOLDING A GALLERY READING IN THE BOOK STORE 627 COOKMAN AVE, AND HOSTING A DINNER AT PLAN B BEFORE TO DINE WITH THE TEAM THAT DID A GHOST HUNT AT PLAN B. CONTACT KATHY AT 732-455-3188 TO MAKE RESERVATIONS. ON AUGUST 10 TH WE WILL BE HOSTING A GHOST INVESTIGATION AT THE RESTAURANT. WE WILL BE OFFERING A LITE BITE PRIX FIXE DINNER AND THEN KATHY WILL SET UP HER EQUIPTMENT AND FURTHER INVESTIGATE THE HAUTING OF RESTAURANT PLAN B. PLEASE BE SURE TO JOIN US FOR THESE GREAT ACTIVIES... THIS IS WHAT MAKES ASBURY PARK GREAT! AGAIN THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT THIS PAST YEAR. SEE YOU AT THE BEACH JEFFREY AND LUIS **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
[AsburyPark] Re: Speech Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, do Blacks matter or even count, since we're discussing ethnics? Sharon, Your wish is my command: http://tinyurl.com/6yhg8q Probably better to leave a comment there and not here, so as to not tick-off Pete the Moderator. Unless of course you think it is Asbury related, which I happen to think it is (but Pete's can be a little picky). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Park Art: Fourth Avenue and Main Street
Linda Griggs (http://lindagriggs.com http://lindagriggs.com ) obtained permission from the property owner of the old fueling station on the corner of Main Street and Fourth Avenue to create a mural. Here are some pictures of Linda's work in progress, these pictures have been provided to me by Linda with permission to post them. Please note that the mural is removeable and may disappear at any time, so, grab your own photos quickly! Linda will continue enhancing the mural for as long as it remains: BEFORE: [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2712037116/ AFTER: [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2712037014/ After AFTER With Detail: [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2711224747/
[AsburyPark] Re: Is it possible for the city to get a fair deal at this late stage?
You're so right Sharon. That is exactly how we think when we think of NYC or Paris, etc. It's the Empire State Building, the Met, Lincoln Center, or the Louvre not how many residences there are, or gosh can I get a condo there? You go to see stuff and do stuff - and leave money behind. If these great cities have done their job right, on your way back you're already thinking about how soon you can return. And, yes, the city does have opposing purposes to the rights holder and the redevelopers. That's why they're not supposed to be so damn cozy. Sure the mutual goal is to move forward, but the city has to keep the public good in the fore at all times. Just as the developers have to keep their bottom lines at the forefront of their concerns. There's nothing sinister here - just separate purposes. It has worked for years in journalism - we call it adversarial relationships. It's healthier for the public. The city is in an adversarial role with the developers. The city has to figure how many services -- especially safety services -- it can bring to residents for the tax revenue it's bringing in. And it has to do that without raising taxes. Actually, I think the council is finally realizing all of this. You don't see them at many of the developer-related events. But it's way too late to get a fair deal for the city. It's pretty much whatever the developers decide to throw from the table. Does anyone see where we have any leverage left? I mean even if we ran 5 new people next year, what is there to pick up and run with? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...And I agree with BOTH of you. Why do people flock to Paris? To see the Eiffel Tower, Notre Dame, Monmartre, the Champs Elysee, etc. Just why DID people delight in Asbury Park, for decades? The Amusements and the relaxing air, back when a stroll was considered exercise. Women wore their bustles and sported beautiful hats and umbrellas and enjoyed majestic scenery, sipped tea, recalling another era. When we think of New York, it's the Empire State Building, Broadway, 42nd St. and Grand Central Station, just to name a few. Asbury Park, was once home to grand theatres, symphonic bands and churches, a really cultured place. All gone! People moving in want South Beach, public transportation, which is almost nil, here, save for the train station. The nearest supermarkets are in Ocean Township and Neptune. I am for a Whole Foods that sell quality and organic foods. I am for reviving the movie theatres, if this is to be a year round community. I think that MM, Asbury Partners and even the former Carabetta enterprises, now defunct, after bankruptcy, had good motives, but their bottom line is profit! I don't blame them, but our history and architedture have paid a heavy price in the name of progress. What about the West Side? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap wonderwomanator@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap wonderwomanator@ wrote: Thanks for the support sandpiper! Just to clarify, I mentioned the more urban examples of container shops to show contrast, which you understood! I read another post by a member who couldn't take a photo next to Madame Marie's due to the godawful container smack up against the side of Madam Marie's. Let's respect what we have and give careful consideration when adding structures to the streetscape! A little architectural integrity PLEASE!!! === You're barking up the wrong tree, pissing in the wind, etc, etc I've been at this for decades, Asbury Park is seriously dysfunctional and the simplest of obvious things are impossible. Werner Werner, I respect your experience, and perserverence in the face of strong opposition. I know quite well that I'm pissing in the wind, but some things just stick out so blatantly that even a tired old warrior like myself can't contain herself and has to put her 2 cents in. I know I'm basically preaching to a small choir, but there are a few newbies who may be converted. I get irritated when I read all the everything is wonderful posts, when some of these posters don't know the history of the architecture of AP. Sure, it is great that there is foot traffic on the boards, and life is coming back to a dead space. But at what price. Europeans value their architectural history. There were real opportunities for funding from the National Trust for Historic Preservation, etc which could have played a large role in preserving and restoring the remaining structures of old Asbury grandeur, but it was not to be. All that can be done now is try to reach out to new people and attempt to open their eyes and
