[AsburyPark] What 's the status of....
...the building just south of the bandstand building? I looked at the webcam picture and it seems that the Esperanza sign is gone but the building is just whitewashed. Is anything in there yet? I agree with some previous comments that its a waste of space and pretty silly to not renovate that building. Are the developer offices and cat hotel still in there? Doesn't seem that there's much effort to get things done. Are they stopping because of litigation that was reported with the city? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Lights are back on!
I was really surprised to hear the power went out. I was glued to the radio and tv all night. No effect up here, although I was almost hoping so I could see what a real night sky looks like. I've been to the observaory off of 287 and its pretty cool. BTW - there are light pollution rules in some towns in the area. Makes them much nicer.hint hint The webcam of AP shown some really 'hot' lights shining out and up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b...@... wrote: From 6:15 PM until 9:45, AP and surrounding neighborhoods were without power. Thanks for calling Glenn! I had my shortwave radio tuned to New Jersey 101.5, keeping up with the reports, the whirl of helicopters flying overhead, squad cars screaming up and down the street, scaring the BeJesus out of everyone, etc. Anyway, it appears we're out of danger! Reports of a transformer blowing up in Neptune, is what did it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Good that someone actually goes to those meetings to report back.
Thats where all the 'funny business' happens in most towns.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@...
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
...
From what Ive read that seems to have been the intent but AP got
screwed in that deal.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote:
...
I'm not up to date on how things were left with the
bandshell. I'm still thinking work was promissed on the lower
half,
and the upper half was set for a later date?
==
As I recall from attending the Planning Board Hearing, The only
approval for permanent
renovations was granted for the !st Ave Pavilion.
The work on the 3rd and 5th Ave Pavilions was approved as Temporary
pending the
submission of Permanant plans.
Temporary was discussed as 5 years I believe. The work completed
certainly does not
appear 'temporary' and it may be a loophole being used to avoid
paying Property Taxes.
Werner
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[AsburyPark] Re: Star Ledger: Asbury Park revival project still far from finished
So its not just me that notices things are amiss... Like I said before... doing some reasearch in various media sources gives a different picture from the all is well view of some AP locals. I'm surprised that the talk about the money/deficit/budget went nowhere. Well not really... guess everyone is too busy 'having fun' to worry about a bankrupt AP (Yes that was a 'dig' - folks down there better wake up) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifern...@... wrote: Asbury Park revival project still far from finished by MaryAnn Spoto/The Star-Ledger Tuesday December 09, 2008, 6:28 PM http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/asbury_park_revival_project_s t.html A year ago, construction ground to a halt on luxury oceanfront condominiums in Asbury Park that had promised to usher in a revival of a city devastated by race riots, political corruption and economic woes. A harbinger of the national real estate disaster that was to come, the Esperanza should have been near completion today, but instead the same three stories stand bleakly against the backdrop of a beachfront awaiting tourists. The poured-concrete foundation hasn't changed since Hoboken-based Metro Homes gave the stop-work order a year ago Sunday, but the company's president insists he is pressing on with plans for a scaled- down version of the high rise. He said work could resume by next summer. Our project is far from dead, said Metro Homes president Dean Geibel. We're basically creating a whole new building. Held hostage for two decades by ups and downs of the housing market, the city is trying to buck current economic trends and continues to rebuild around the building that takes its name from the Spanish word for hope. Surprisingly enough, we're still bringing business into Asbury Park, said Tom Gilmour, director of commerce for the city. A lot of people who wanted to come here got turned off by the high prices and are back. Gilmour said Asbury Park has had 17 new storefronts, including seven new restaurants, open on the boardwalk since May. Another seven businesses opened downtown during that same time. A year ago, retail space in the city's downtown was slightly less than half full. Now it's about 60 percent occupied, he estimated. Last year, the boardwalk had a nearly 70 percent vacancy rate. Now it's maxed out, Gilmour said. Sales of condominiums at two new complexes bookending the oceanfront redevelopment zone had stalled after the real estate bubble drove prices skyward. Interest in those developments, Wesley Grove and North Beach, has resumed now that prices have dipped, Gilmour said. Reacting to the slowdown in the real estate market, City Manager Terence Reidy said, many developers have proposed converting space once designated residential into office. Others are considering creating interim parking lots until the market rebounds, he said. The good thing is no one's come to me and said, 'I'm pulling out,' Reidy said. That includes Metro Homes. Only three of the 16 stories had been built before the developer suspended work on the $100 million project. The city last year threatened to go to court to compel the developer to keep working but has since softened its stance. Talks with Madison Marquette, the developer of the boardwalk and the new owner of the Wesley Grove condos, about entering a joint venture to resurrect the Esperanza proved fruitless, Geibel said. With a new partner -- who Geibel declined to name -- Metro Homes is redesigning the project to shave expenses. Instead of having two towers separated by an outdoor pool, the building will have one L- shaped tower wrapped partially around the outdoor pool to the north and west. It will get a new name -- something that suggests the ocean, Geibel said. The new design will mean many of the 224 units have an oceanfront view, he said. But some of the amenities, such as an upscale restaurant, will be left on the drawing room floor, he said. Metro Homes had contracts for 70 of the units, which sold for between $400,000 and $2.3 million, before construction stopped. Geibel said all the deposits have been returned but some original buyers, including singer John Oates, are interested in buying into the new building. John Lidestri, an importer from Ringwood, used his returned deposit to help buy a restored seven-bedroom historic home within walking distance from the beach in Asbury Park. In retrospect, this was a better deal, because he got a bigger place for the nearly $1 million he was prepared to pay for the condo. And his taxes will be cheaper, said the 39-year-old father of two. Obviously it would be great for the community to see it come to fruition, he said. It would definitely enhance the image of the waterfront rather than to have a stalled construction site there.
[AsburyPark] Re: Don't Mess With Surfing Sophie (fixed link)
I think that NJ is the only state that has beach badges. At least, I've never encountered badges anywhere else. The law in NJ says, all tidal lands and water from the high water mark seaward is public. Access may occasionally be restricted based on private ownership, shore armoring (bulkheads, groins, seawalls) and public safety issues. http://tinyurl.com/66l6y7 That is a link to the public access study I found and quoted above. www.crabnj.com There's an advocacy group called Citizens Right to Access Beaches (CRAB) that was founded when Point Beach's only municipally owned public access beach was developed into a supposedly upscale private community. I say supposedly because it is so damn ugly. Anyway, the upscale community claimed sole access to the beach and didn't want the great unwashed coming through to use their beach. CRAB doesn't seem to want free beaches. They don't want to lose the ability to get to the beach at all. FYI - There's also history here. Until about 25 years ago, the Ocean county shore towns of Bay Head and Mantoloking did not allow non-residents on their beach. I grew up within walking distance of the Bay Head beach, but I lived in Point Boro. We weren't allowed on their beach during guarded hours. A NJ supreme court decision changed that (Matthews v. Bay Head Improvement Association). Anyone can buy a badge in beautiful Bay Head now. It's a bitch to park and you can't get a soda or use a bathroom, but you can go. Maybe you can make friends with someone who owns a house and they'll let you use their bathroom. So I looked up Matthews v. Bay Head Improvement Association and here is the decision. Apparently Sophie can sit on the dry sand. In New Jersey the courts have recognized the public trust doctrine to give all residents access to the state's public trust land. Recently, the courts expanded the public's right to include use of the dry-sand beach (Matthew v. Bay Head Improvement Association, 471 A. 2d 355 (1984)). In that case, town residents sued the beach association and beachfront property owners asserting that defendants denied public its right of access to public trust lands on the beaches in the municipality and its right to use private property fronting on the ocean incidental to public's right under the public trust doctrine. The court held the public must be given both access to and use of privately owned dry sand areas as reasonably necessary under the public trust doctrine. The court noted that it did not need to rely on legal theories used in other jurisdictions such as prescriptive easements or customary law. Rather it decided to simply modify the public trust doctrine to reflect the reality of the times that people need to use the dry-sand beach to enjoy the area below the high water mark. The court stated that [a] rchaic judicial responses are not an answer to a modern social problem. Rather, we perceive the public trust doctrine not to be fixed or static, but one to be molded and extended to meet changing conditions and needs of the public it was created to benefit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Library -Springsteen Flap
This guy has some strong opinions about AP and the Library. Werner what do you think? http://tinyurl.com/565qdo Here is his post cut and pasted: Friday, December 12, 2008 Bruce Springsteen Special Collection Today I was surprised, then alarmed, to discover that Asbury Park Public Library holds an archival collection of over 10,000 Bruce Springsteen related items, mostly printed materials, all of it donated. I learned from a newspaper article that the Friends of the Bruce Springsteen Special Collection had to return 1000 items they had removed for microfilming, for which they had received a grant. The FBSSC (founded by Backstreet Magazine editors) was instrumental in establishing the collection, claimed they owned this particular material. Apparently, they do not. But they posted this on the FBSSC website: Over many recent months, The Friends of the Bruce Springsteen Special Collection have grown increasingly concerned over conditions at the Asbury Park Public Library, where the Collection is currently housed. We've attempted to resolve these concerns, and while doing so, felt it was in the best interests of the Collection for us to retain possession of over a thousand documents taken from the Library for microfilming, rather than return them to what may be an unsuitable environment I'm not really interested in Bruce Springsteen archival material, but historical preservation does concern me. What I don't understand is why any serious collector thought, in 2001, that Asbury Park Public Library was a suitable repository for a Bruce Springsteen Special Collection. APPL is an understaffed, underfunded municipal library in a city that struggles to provide basic library services to its own residents. The library is not even involved in any major way in preserving the broader history of Asbury Park. Independent historical societies private investment do most of that work. Asbury Park has no museum dedicated to its history. The elected government of Asbury Park has a shameful record of preserving evidence of the city's true glory days from the late 19th Century through the 1920's, can take small credit for any economic resurgence. You have to go to Ocean Grove to get a sense of what Asbury looked like 50 or 100 years ago. I'm not blaming Asbury Park Public Library, but that city institution its trustees are stuck with a job suited to the library at Monmouth University or even Brookdale Community College. APPL can record the fact of the archived material into their computer catalogue system, but they are not equipped to store, manage preserve a growing archive collection, or digitally scan the material, or deal with donations from around the world, or adequately service people wishing to access the material, in person off site, for purposes of research. Mere sentiment or civic pride about Bruce Springsteen Asbury Park are unacceptable rationales. The collection has little real monetary value unless the library broke it up sold it off, provided there were buyers. It is a burden to the library. The Bruce Springsteen Special Collection needs a better permanent home. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Convention Hall Xmas Party for National Guard featured...
Great picture from Dec. 7, A Christmas party at Convention Hall in Asbury Park for the families of the New Jersey National Guard serving in Iraq, accompanying this article from NJ p.1 in tomorrow's NYT. _http://tinyurl.com/6gnxek_ (http://tinyurl.com/6gnxek) Guard Families, on Their Own for the Holidays, Dig Deep: (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/michael_winerip/index.html?inline=nyt-per) ASBURY PARK, December 14, 2008,Parenting | The Home Front _Parenting - The Home Front - Guard Families, on Their Own for the Holidays, Dig Deep - Series - NYTimes.com_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/nyregion/new-jersey/14Rparent.html?_r=1ref=nyregionpagewanted=all) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Boardwalk observation - Why are the remains of Halloween maze still there
I'm trying not to complain, but why would MM leave the remains of the hay maze, and it's signs still sitting there? The signs are all ripped up and laying all over the place. The maze is partially taken apart, but Halloween was weeks ago. With the concept of trying to make the boardwalk a year round retail and dining destination, does it really have to look like a perpetual construction site, with the remains of an attraction falling apart for all to see? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Don't Mess With Surfing Sophie (fixed link)
Yes you have public access but the beach badge is for your groinbulkhead or seawall. From: Jennifer jennifern...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:04:24 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Don't Mess With Surfing Sophie (fixed link) I think that NJ is the only state that has beach badges. At least, I've never encountered badges anywhere else. The law in NJ says, all tidal lands and water from the high water mark seaward is public. Access may occasionally be restricted based on private ownership, shore armoring (bulkheads, groins, seawalls) and public safety issues. http://tinyurl. com/66l6y7 That is a link to the public access study I found and quoted above. www.crabnj.com There's an advocacy group called Citizens Right to Access Beaches (CRAB) that was founded when Point Beach's only municipally owned public access beach was developed into a supposedly upscale private community. I say supposedly because it is so damn ugly. Anyway, the upscale community claimed sole access to the beach and didn't want the great unwashed coming through to use their beach. CRAB doesn't seem to want free beaches. They don't want to lose the ability to get to the beach at all. FYI - There's also history here. Until about 25 years ago, the Ocean county shore towns of Bay Head and Mantoloking did not allow non-residents on their beach. I grew up within walking distance of the Bay Head beach, but I lived in Point Boro. We weren't allowed on their beach during guarded hours. A NJ supreme court decision changed that (Matthews v. Bay Head Improvement Association) . Anyone can buy a badge in beautiful Bay Head now. It's a bitch to park and you can't get a soda or use a bathroom, but you can go. Maybe you can make friends with someone who owns a house and they'll let you use their bathroom. So I looked up Matthews v. Bay Head Improvement Association and here is the decision. Apparently Sophie can sit on the dry sand. In New Jersey the courts have recognized the public trust doctrine to give all residents access to the state's public trust land. Recently, the courts expanded the public's right to include use of the dry-sand beach (Matthew v. Bay Head Improvement Association, 471 A. 2d 355 (1984)). In that case, town residents sued the beach association and beachfront property owners asserting that defendants denied public its right of access to public trust lands on the beaches in the municipality and its right to use private property fronting on the ocean incidental to public's right under the public trust doctrine. The court held the public must be given both access to and use of privately owned dry sand areas as reasonably necessary under the public trust doctrine. The court noted that it did not need to rely on legal theories used in other jurisdictions such as prescriptive easements or customary law. Rather it decided to simply modify the public trust doctrine to reflect the reality of the times that people need to use the dry-sand beach to enjoy the area below the high water mark. The court stated that [a] rchaic judicial responses are not an answer to a modern social problem. Rather, we perceive the public trust doctrine not to be fixed or static, but one to be molded and extended to meet changing conditions and needs of the public it was created to benefit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Two River Times - Review of AP's SCROOGE IN ROUGE
Two River Times December 12, 2008 Scene On Stage A Zany Christmas Carol In Asbury Park Check your bah-humbug at the door. . . By Philip Dorian And now for something new and different: a musical adaptation of Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol. Say what? New and different? There's one around every corner, isn't there? Well, yes, but they're not like ReVision Theatre's Scrooge in Rouge, running through December 28 in Asbury Park. And 'thanks' are definitely in order for this irreverent and outrageously funny tale of ye olde Scrooge. What to do when all but three , Lottie Obligato (Linda Marie Larson), Vesta Virile (Katherine Pecevich), and Charlie Schmaltz (Doug Shapiro), to play all 23 roles. And healthy they are. The three careen through the Ghosts of Christmases Past, Present and Future; various Cratchits; numerous Fezziwigs; and assorted other Victorian Londoners. The result is a fast-paced 90 minutes with lively song-and-dance and about a hundred gags that are corny, bawdy or a combination thereof. That nearly all (nobody's perfect) are laughworthy is a tribute to a performers and to writers Rich Graham (book and lyrics) Jeffery Roberson (additional material) and Yvette Hargis, who is credited with other interesting bits, which is the year's most intriguing credit. Ms. Pecevich plays Ebeneezer and a couple of other bit parts along the way. She's as accurate (if offhand) a Scrooge as I've seen locally. Out of character, commenting in asides to the audience, she's a droll delight. (If walk this way isn't among your favorite comic bits, go watch Miracle on 34th Street again.) Mr. Shapiro's antic take on Marley's Ghost is supremely funny, but darned if he doesn't top himself with his loose-limbed Fezziwig nephew. (His manic cavorting would drive even a kind-hearted uncle away.) You cannot acquire pinpoint-perfect timing. Like Ms. Larson, you must be born with it. Introducing the show with the wrong author's name an excellent joke so obvious I'm surprised I never heard it before and slipping in and out of a dozen fully realized roles, including a pickle (see it to believe it), she doesn't miss a beat of music or comedy. Musical director Justin Stoney is positioned off to the side with his piano, where he provides faultless accompaniment and an occasional impertinent out-of-the-blue remark, and choreographer Mimi Quillin keeps the flailing arms and legs under control (barely). Costumer Abby Walton deserves co-star status. It's not just the number 23 outfits for 23 characters that impresses. The outlandish styles and even the colors provide a comic context on their own. The key to staging a deceptively loose show like Scrooge in Rouge lies in balancing control with freedom. Michael Barakiva's direction is disciplined, but not at the expense of devil-may-care. (His rest- cure is progressing nicely, I hear.) A song lyric promises fancy scenery and acting with panache. Kip marsh's sets might not be fancy, but you'll fancy the clever devices that enhance the goings-on. (An upright bed on the back of a door? Why not?) As for panache, flamboyant confidence of style or manner, that's an understatement! Scrooge in Rouge runs through Dec. 28 at the refurbished VFW Hall, 701 Lake Avenue, Asbury Park. Performance are Thurs-Sat at 8 pm (no performance Dec. 25); Sun. at 7 pm; matinees Sat. Dec 27 at 3 pm and Sun. Dec. 28 at 3 pm. For information and tickets ($25 - $35): 732- 455-3059 or online at www.revisiontheatre.org. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] APP PBA #6 Clothing for Kids -- Tomorrow @ The Harrison
Please join The Harrison and the Asbury Park Police PBA #6 for an afternoon of food, fun and TV's to Help the children of Asbury Park! Bring new or lightly used winter clothing for Xmas all children sizes needed. At: The Harrison, 716 Cookman Ave., Asbury Park Date: Sunday, December 14th Time: 1:00PM-5:00PM Items to be distributed by the Asbury Park Police PBA #6 Donations accepted anytime Cash Donations also welcome If you can't make it tomorrow - drop them off tonight!! For additional information call: 732-774-2200 or 732-774-2000 Posted for The Harrison and the AP Police PBA #6 Michael W. Brim 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
