[AsburyPark] Another lost opportunity for AP
I took the meaning of blew it again as referring to the lost opportunity to install the NJ Hall of Fame in Asbury Park. The entire 'Pony Block' should have been designated for such a use instead of being zoned for condos. The Casino complex could have been a nice venue for such an enterprise also, although I still believe its strength is in being a multi-use entertainment/event/sports facility. Also keep in mind that the Fame of Asbury Park extends far beyond music into Religion, City Planning, Use of technological innovations, Sports, Amusements History, Sanitation and Health, Theater, Fire Safetyetc. An opportunity to become a world class museum/destination that works with the identity and heritage of the City instead of against it as the current condo/retail plan does. Yes the City Blew It. What's really sad is that few are willing to stand up and say so in spite of all the evidence. To quote from my document: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ PreservationPlan.pdf Preserving the Character and Sense of Place of Asbury Park ...1. The traditional commercial, entertainment and educational aspects of the waterfront should be the first priority: This is what Asbury Park is known for around the world and this will be our greatest economic asset in the long run if developed properly That was my recommendation as City Historian a bit more than 7 years ago based not on nostalgia but on the best practices regarding economic development. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Thanks Sharon! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b...@... wrote: Know what? I'mm old enough to be both of your mothers, but I have the same attitude as YOU do! Nostalgia my you know what! Those were YOUR times, YOUR memories and I don't see a damn thing wrong with that! I can see it through your eyes, as I have kids your age, the whole WNEW thing, which coming out of the 60's, I would write the notes to Neptune High School allowing my kids to skip to be released for a once in a lifetime day! I received a phone call at my job, because the principal didn't believe I wrote it, (the note)! Yes, I was a regular drill sargeant at home, because with 5 kids, I didn't see why they couldn't keep order at home! My idea of a good time, was to pack the car and go up to Yankee Stadium to see a game or in the summer go to the Meadowlands for a Budweiser Beer Fest! I'm sure my kids thought I was a pain in the ass, more than once! I call it discipline! You only get one childhood, so why can't it be happy? Anyway, my kids still recall many of the group things we did together, especially since they didn't have to pay for anything! I've gotten early tans, because one of them was playing Babe Ruth Ball or driving to Delaware to see my youngest son run in college. Oak and Jack, I'm feeling BOTH of you and I'm on the same page as you! So what! Someone in this group always sees what others do or feel as insignificant because THEY can't relate, but trust me, I do and I'm glad you remember when the drinking age dropped to 18. Both of my sons could then meet up with us and have a drink on who? Us! Of course! Keep your memories close! Some of us can't relate, but damn it I do! I still party, have a good time and get my drunk on sometimes! At least I tell the truth! I never had the guts to go into the Haunted Mansion, but my scary girls went and came out all shook up! I laughed until I cried when I was told the rats ran across one daughters feet and she jumped on her brothers back for the rest of the ride! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'd love to see some photos of the Clover Club. I also think that in general, college age kids could care less about Springsteen music. I was thinking more about his role in music tourism to AP, but who knows. I'm probably wrong, and while he's huge in the world, he's not as vital as he was during the arena rock days. His new CD seems to be disliked even by hardcore fans. I definitely agree about the 18 issue. I just made it too. I can recall going to The Pour House in Tinton Falls for lunch during my senior year. Those were the days. I also recall working at the Haunted Mansion. I did that for one summer for a whopping $3.10 an hour and loving it. Good times. Maybe I'm just too nostalgic. I loved the time period we are talking about. Loved working at Criterion Chocolates in 2 locations in AP, 1 in Ocean Grove and 1 on the LB boardwalk. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Well, the BW isn't ALL high end retail like you suggested. There is entertainment like you think there should be and lets see...the music scene seems pretty lively, just not to your liking for reasons I can't figure out other than it not being the same as when you were in HS. 5 venues + a dance club. I know you will get other chronically dissatisfied people to agree with you but thats the way unhappiness works, sorta like a magnet. How often do you go to any of the restaurants/bars on the BW? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hing...@... wrote: I also think your perception about ap is off How can you judge somebody else's perception? That's kinda ridiculous. Not everybody sees the world thru your eyes. Sorry, but I disagree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: I certainly wasn't looking for an apology. People can be as unhappy as they wish. Lots of people live the things would be better if... life. I just think its kinda sad and I will reiterate it has more to do with us than the world. I also think your perception about ap is off and would like others to know that there is a tremendous amount to enjoy and love here. There are plenty of posts about ap's failings. i am probably ignorant about springsteen, i mostly listen to lesser known artists. Loved him when I was 11. springsteen is a tiny drop in a sea of great music. and he hardly needs the attention. It also seems sorta pointless to complain here. You should be at city council meetings. Volunteering for commissions. In my experience, the people who complain the most (and i don't just mean here) are those that don't participate in the vibrancy of the place; the food, the nightlife, the celebrations. people are enjoying it and will probably continue to do so. I wish you and the others for whom delight is so out of reach would but that's up to you. the world will never mold to our own ego's specifications so our choice is to become open loving participants, try to become a power mongering tyrant, or be miserable. not a difficult choice for me. (and i love a little dissatisfaction myself once in a while...all egos do). I hope others make it to the economical entertainment on the 31st. And paradise is always a great place to have ...dare i say it, FUN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You know what? I make no apologies about my opinions of AP. I'm not going to be dishonest to myself or anybody about it. I think what we have now is a pale version of what we could have, and once had. I think were merely accepting something marginal, and I don't feel bad at all in saying it. Sorry. Currently the boardwalk draws a fraction of what it once did. It's better then it was in recent years, but nothing like what it could be. And as part of the local music scene, yes, we have one, but once again, since I work in the business I feel confident in saying that it also isn't what it could be, but it's the best that it can be at the moment. Obviously you don't know much about Springsteen and his connection to the city. His most famous album is callled Greetings from Asbury Park and the album cover is a classic post card from it's heyday. He rose up in the scene playing at local clubs, most of which no longer exist. His name is inextricably associated with the city. We all have different likes and dislikes, and there's nothing wrong with expressing that. You ask me what I like about AP? Plenty. I love my classic apartment and being so close to the beach for a reasonable price. I love the architecture of Convention Hall and the acoustics of The Paramount. I love The Saint, where I work. I absolutely love Cookman Avenue because it still has a classic look with character. But, i greatly dislike the way the boardwalk pavilions have been renovated. It says nothing at all to me. I don't like the architecture at all. I see a strip mall, but that's just me. I greatly dislike the fact that the band shell has been eliminated and that nobody is taking MM to task about it. I think high end retail is a waste of space destined for failure., On the other hand, I love that there's a bike store there, because bicycling by the sea really appeals to me. It's a big fixture in Atlantic City, Cape May, and scores of similar places across the country. My discontent has nothing to do with the vibe in the country, in fact, AP is a safe haven away from it because it's my home. Finally, with all due respect, you've never met me. I'm probably the most immature 47 year old person I know. Smarter, but still very similar to the teenage me. I'm more about aesthetics then money, more about The Adriatic then Applebees. I've also spent a huge amount of time living and working
[AsburyPark] Asbury Apartment
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[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Has anyone checked out the Hot Dog House on Cookman (sorry, I didn't get the building number) it is on the north side of the street near the west end by Main. I had a great time... I imagined it to be a bit like (from what I have read) The Student Prince. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Well, the BW isn't ALL high end retail like you suggested. There is entertainment like you think there should be and lets see...the music scene seems pretty lively, just not to your liking for reasons I can't figure out other than it not being the same as when you were in HS. 5 venues + a dance club. I know you will get other chronically dissatisfied people to agree with you but thats the way unhappiness works, sorta like a magnet. How often do you go to any of the restaurants/bars on the BW? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I also think your perception about ap is off How can you judge somebody else's perception? That's kinda ridiculous. Not everybody sees the world thru your eyes. Sorry, but I disagree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: I certainly wasn't looking for an apology. People can be as unhappy as they wish. Lots of people live the things would be better if... life. I just think its kinda sad and I will reiterate it has more to do with us than the world. I also think your perception about ap is off and would like others to know that there is a tremendous amount to enjoy and love here. There are plenty of posts about ap's failings. i am probably ignorant about springsteen, i mostly listen to lesser known artists. Loved him when I was 11. springsteen is a tiny drop in a sea of great music. and he hardly needs the attention. It also seems sorta pointless to complain here. You should be at city council meetings. Volunteering for commissions. In my experience, the people who complain the most (and i don't just mean here) are those that don't participate in the vibrancy of the place; the food, the nightlife, the celebrations. people are enjoying it and will probably continue to do so. I wish you and the others for whom delight is so out of reach would but that's up to you. the world will never mold to our own ego's specifications so our choice is to become open loving participants, try to become a power mongering tyrant, or be miserable. not a difficult choice for me. (and i love a little dissatisfaction myself once in a while...all egos do). I hope others make it to the economical entertainment on the 31st. And paradise is always a great place to have ...dare i say it, FUN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You know what? I make no apologies about my opinions of AP. I'm not going to be dishonest to myself or anybody about it. I think what we have now is a pale version of what we could have, and once had. I think were merely accepting something marginal, and I don't feel bad at all in saying it. Sorry. Currently the boardwalk draws a fraction of what it once did. It's better then it was in recent years, but nothing like what it could be. And as part of the local music scene, yes, we have one, but once again, since I work in the business I feel confident in saying that it also isn't what it could be, but it's the best that it can be at the moment. Obviously you don't know much about Springsteen and his connection to the city. His most famous album is callled Greetings from Asbury Park and the album cover is a classic post card from it's heyday. He rose up in the scene playing at local clubs, most of which no longer exist. His name is inextricably associated with the city. We all have different likes and dislikes, and there's nothing wrong with expressing that. You ask me what I like about AP? Plenty. I love my classic apartment and being so close to the beach for a reasonable price. I love the architecture of Convention Hall and the acoustics of The Paramount. I love The Saint, where I work. I absolutely love Cookman Avenue because it still has a classic look with character. But, i greatly dislike the way the boardwalk pavilions have been renovated. It says nothing at all to me. I don't like the architecture at all. I see a strip mall, but that's just me. I greatly dislike the fact that the band shell has been eliminated and that nobody is taking MM to task about it. I think high end retail is a waste of space destined for failure., On the other hand, I love that there's a bike store there, because bicycling by the sea really appeals to me. It's a big fixture in Atlantic City, Cape May, and scores of similar
[AsburyPark] Re: Another lost opportunity for AP - Bruce exhibit at RnR HOF
Where did I say ALL high end retail? I didn't. You and I have a different perspective, that's all. You love it the way it is, I see it and compare it to what it once was, and what I think it could be. There's nothing wrong with that, and once again, you can't really paint a person as chronically dissatisfied only by what you read here, or on the internet in general. It's a snapshot, not the whole story. I also have a different perspective on the music scene. I've worked in it my whole life. When I describe the music scene as I see it today, I compare it to that experience, and I'm not just talking about AP, even if it reads like that. Almost everybody who has a similar background to me has a similar opinion about the state of the music biz. It's just different, which isn't bad. And yeah, I compare AP to Austin TX and other places all the time, because I've spent alot of time there. How is that chronic complaining Doesn't change happen when people think out loud? Why settle for things? Finally, I don't really go out to restaurants in general. I like cooking at home, and to me some of our dining venues are too expensive, and some our kind of unhealthy for me, as I'm dealing with some minor health issues. I also don't really like going to bars. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: Well, the BW isn't ALL high end retail like you suggested. There is entertainment like you think there should be and lets see...the music scene seems pretty lively, just not to your liking for reasons I can't figure out other than it not being the same as when you were in HS. 5 venues + a dance club. I know you will get other chronically dissatisfied people to agree with you but thats the way unhappiness works, sorta like a magnet. How often do you go to any of the restaurants/bars on the BW? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I also think your perception about ap is off How can you judge somebody else's perception? That's kinda ridiculous. Not everybody sees the world thru your eyes. Sorry, but I disagree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: I certainly wasn't looking for an apology. People can be as unhappy as they wish. Lots of people live the things would be better if... life. I just think its kinda sad and I will reiterate it has more to do with us than the world. I also think your perception about ap is off and would like others to know that there is a tremendous amount to enjoy and love here. There are plenty of posts about ap's failings. i am probably ignorant about springsteen, i mostly listen to lesser known artists. Loved him when I was 11. springsteen is a tiny drop in a sea of great music. and he hardly needs the attention. It also seems sorta pointless to complain here. You should be at city council meetings. Volunteering for commissions. In my experience, the people who complain the most (and i don't just mean here) are those that don't participate in the vibrancy of the place; the food, the nightlife, the celebrations. people are enjoying it and will probably continue to do so. I wish you and the others for whom delight is so out of reach would but that's up to you. the world will never mold to our own ego's specifications so our choice is to become open loving participants, try to become a power mongering tyrant, or be miserable. not a difficult choice for me. (and i love a little dissatisfaction myself once in a while...all egos do). I hope others make it to the economical entertainment on the 31st. And paradise is always a great place to have ...dare i say it, FUN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You know what? I make no apologies about my opinions of AP. I'm not going to be dishonest to myself or anybody about it. I think what we have now is a pale version of what we could have, and once had. I think were merely accepting something marginal, and I don't feel bad at all in saying it. Sorry. Currently the boardwalk draws a fraction of what it once did. It's better then it was in recent years, but nothing like what it could be. And as part of the local music scene, yes, we have one, but once again, since I work in the business I feel confident in saying that it also isn't what it could be, but it's the best that it can be at the moment. Obviously you don't know much about Springsteen and his connection to the city. His most famous album is callled Greetings from Asbury Park and the album cover is a classic post card from it's heyday. He rose up in the scene playing at local clubs, most of which no longer exist. His name is inextricably associated with the city. We all have different likes and dislikes, and
