Where did I say "ALL" high end retail?
I didn't.
You and I have a different perspective, that's all.
You love it the way it is, I see it and compare it to what it once was, and
what I think it
could be.
There's nothing wrong with that, and once again, you can't really paint a
person as
"chronically dissatisfied" only by what you read here, or on the internet in
general.
It's a snapshot, not the whole story.
I also have a different perspective on the music scene. I've worked in it my
whole life.
When I describe the music scene as I see it today, I compare it to that
experience, and I'm
not just talking about AP, even if it reads like that. Almost everybody who has
a similar
background to me has a similar opinion about the state of the music biz. It's
just different,
which isn't bad. And yeah, I compare AP to Austin TX and other places all the
time,
because I've spent alot of time there. How is that "chronic complaining"
Doesn't change happen when people think out loud?
Why settle for things?
Finally, I don't really go out to restaurants in general. I like cooking at
home, and to me
some of our dining venues are too expensive, and some our kind of unhealthy for
me, as
I'm dealing with some minor health issues. I also don't really like going to
bars.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <gabrielleo...@...> wrote:
>
> Well, the BW isn't ALL high end retail like you suggested. There is
> entertainment like you think there should be and lets see...the music
> scene seems pretty lively, just not to your liking for reasons I can't
> figure out other than it not being the same as when you were in HS. 5
> venues + a dance club.
>
> I know you will get other chronically dissatisfied people to agree
> with you but thats the way unhappiness works, sorta like a magnet.
>
> How often do you go to any of the restaurants/bars on the BW?
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <hinge98@> wrote:
> >
> > "I also think your perception about ap is
> > off"
> >
> > How can you judge somebody else's perception?
> > That's kinda ridiculous.
> > Not everybody sees the world thru your eyes.
> > Sorry, but I disagree.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <gabrielleobre@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I certainly wasn't looking for an apology. People can be as unhappy as
> > > they wish. Lots of people live the "things would be better if..."
> > > life. I just think its kinda sad and I will reiterate it has more to
> > > do with us than the world. I also think your perception about ap is
> > > off and would like others to know that there is a tremendous amount to
> > > enjoy and love here. There are plenty of posts about ap's failings.
> > >
> > > i am probably ignorant about springsteen, i mostly listen to lesser
> > > known artists. Loved him when I was 11. springsteen is a tiny drop in
> > > a sea of great music. and he hardly needs the attention.
> > >
> > > It also seems sorta pointless to complain here. You should be at city
> > > council meetings. Volunteering for commissions.
> > >
> > > In my experience, the people who complain the most (and i don't just
> > > mean here) are those that don't participate in the vibrancy of the
> > > place; the food, the nightlife, the celebrations.
> > >
> > > people are enjoying it and will probably continue to do so. I wish you
> > > and the others for whom delight is so out of reach would but that's up
> > > to you. the world will never mold to our own ego's specifications so
> > > our choice is to become open loving participants, try to become a
> > > power mongering tyrant, or be miserable. not a difficult choice for
> > > me. (and i love a little dissatisfaction myself once in a while...all
> > > egos do).
> > >
> > > I hope others make it to the economical entertainment on the 31st. And
> > > paradise is always a great place to have ...dare i say it, FUN!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <hinge98@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You know what?
> > > > I make no apologies about my opinions of AP.
> > > > I'm not going to be dishonest to myself or anybody about it.
> > > > I think what we have now is a pale version of what we could have,
> > > and once had.
> > > > I think were merely accepting something marginal, and I don't feel
> > > bad at all in saying it.
> > > > Sorry.
> > > > Currently the boardwalk draws a fraction of what it once did. It's
> > > better then it was in
> > > > recent years, but nothing like what it could be.
> > > > And as part of the local music scene, yes, we have one, but once
> > > again, since I work in the
> > > > business I feel confident in saying that it also isn't what it could
> > > be, but it's the best that it
> > > > can be at the moment.
> > > > Obviously you don't know much about Springsteen and his connection
> > > to the city.
> > > > His most famous album is callled "Greetings from Asbury Park" and
> > > the album cover is a
> > > > classic post card from it's heyday.
> > > > He rose up in the scene playing at local clubs, most of which no
> > > longer exist. His name is
> > > > inextricably associated with the city.
> > > > We all have different likes and dislikes, and there's nothing wrong
> > > with expressing that.
> > > > You ask me what I like about AP? Plenty. I love my classic apartment
> > > and being so close to
> > > > the beach for a reasonable price. I love the architecture of
> > > Convention Hall and the
> > > > acoustics of The Paramount. I love The Saint, where I work. I
> > > absolutely love Cookman
> > > > Avenue because it still has a classic look with character.
> > > > But, i greatly dislike the way the boardwalk pavilions have been
> > > renovated. It says nothing
> > > > at all to me. I don't like the architecture at all. I see a strip
> > > mall, but that's just me. I
> > > > greatly dislike the fact that the band shell has been eliminated and
> > > that nobody is taking
> > > > MM to task about it. I think high end retail is a waste of space
> > > destined for failure.,
> > > > On the other hand, I love that there's a bike store there, because
> > > bicycling by the sea
> > > > really appeals to me. It's a big fixture in Atlantic City, Cape May,
> > > and scores of similar
> > > > places across the country.
> > > > My discontent has nothing to do with the vibe in the country, in
> > > fact, AP is a safe haven
> > > > away from it because it's my home.
> > > > Finally, with all due respect, you've never met me. I'm probably the
> > > most immature 47 year
> > > > old person I know. Smarter, but still very similar to the teenage
> > > me. I'm more about
> > > > aesthetics then money, more about The Adriatic then Applebees.
> > > > I've also spent a huge amount of time living and working overseas,
> > > where they tend to
> > > > value history more then we do, and preserve things rather then
> > > rebuild, and when they do
> > > > rebuild they tend to stay faithful to what went before.
> > > > Here in America, it's the opposite for much of the country. We don't
> > > build buildings to last
> > > > anymore, we build them to knock down and replace because of money.
> > > And I think that's
> > > > a great loss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <gabrielleobre@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > once again, my unpopular I heart AP response.
> > > > >
> > > > > for starters, ap HAS a vibrant music scene, right now. Perhaps it
> > > > > doesn't stir the emotions of when you were a teen. We live
> now, not
> > > > > 20, 30 years ago. And the comments I have been hearing from
> people the
> > > > > past few summers actually reflect that ap does stir good
> memories, not
> > > > > sure how many of you spend time in the local bizes, but I do.
> I hear
> > > > > it. I can't wait to check out the Stone Pony. English
> Beat..yippee.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its not all "high end" anything. I think there are two design like
> > > > > stores that are out of the average persons pay range, so what,
> > > > > everyone is supposed to live on my budget? good for those who
> can buy
> > > > > an 800$ chaise. and wonderful for the retail owners who can
> pay their
> > > > > rent with it. this is monmouth county, there is lots of $$
> here, let
> > > > > them spend it in AP.
> > > > >
> > > > > O'tools is reasonable, that fried food place in CH is
> reasonable there
> > > > > were all sorts of little knick knack shops that remind me
> precisely of
> > > > > what was BW like years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the 31st you can sample cocktails for 5 bucks in CH, bring
> a flask
> > > > > if you need more of a buzz, then you can walk down to paradise
> and if
> > > > > you get there before 9 ish you can dance for free. and be
> entertained
> > > > > if you are prone to enjoyment. they usually have drink specials.
> > > > > langostas menu looks reasonable and the space is beautiful
> (someone
> > > > > mentioned they were packed last sat)
> > > > >
> > > > > the mini waterpark looks like loads of fun, the numerous festivals
> > > > > that come are a blast, thinking of the beautiful kite one at the
> > > > > moment, volleyball, road trip etc. there is regularly free
> music on
> > > > > the BW.
> > > > >
> > > > > for someone who mentioned somewhere else they are sick of
> negativity,
> > > > > you dish it out a lot Jack. is there anything you like about the
> > > place?
> > > > >
> > > > > as far as the Bruce thing goes, what's the connection other
> than he
> > > > > sung about how depressed the place was? I don't need to
> romanticize
> > > > > the badlands anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > is it perfect? no way. but neither is anything else. I really wish
> > > > > people would stop bitching about the place which often seems to me
> > > > > people projecting their general unhappiness onto the world around
> > > > > them. what you see in the world has more to do with what is in
> your
> > > > > head than what is in the world.
> > > > >
> > > > > its so weird to me, everything you want is already here. except
> > > > > perhaps the teenage you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <oakdorf@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <hinge98@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The wnew stuff was only around for a few years- one day. Yep -
> > > we'd
> > > > > > make a killing in a few hours, but NOTHING like being able to
> > > open at
> > > > > > 7am and close around midnight, at least in my time. If a big
> > > group came
> > > > > > into town and it was hot - we'd just stay open as long as we
> > > could -
> > > > > > not close at 9pm.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's how you run a business that relies on hot weather and
> > > more - you
> > > > > > open early and stay open late and you can't do it alone. If
> someone
> > > > > > needs to hit a golf ball, play for stuffed animal or share a
> > > kohr's as
> > > > > > it dribbles down your body or ride a carousel or just sit and
> > > look at
> > > > > > the water or lay in the sand - it's called summer. You stay
> open at
> > > > > > NIGHT, so people can spend money. Junk food = profit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's 11 degrees.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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