[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Well The Pony has been there for a while with residential use nearby. I can hear certain concerts from my house on 6th. I guess I have an issue with putting even more residential in now when there is so much sitting on the market already. Entertainment may be the way to go. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: The issue, in my opinion is that an outdoor concert venue is incompatible with residential use. Thus, I believe you have to choose one over the other. Yes there is soundproofing etc, but intense entertainment uses are incompatible with residences. I dont think you can have residences in the ocean blocks along with intense entertainment uses. You have to choose. The Stone Pony can stay (the building and be incorporated in a larger development but I think that if you want to develop residences on that block then the outdoor performance stage has to go to the demolished Casino site. How great it would be to have something like the Jones Beach theatre on that site. I only do this for a living. Dont let folks twist what the committee was trying to do. It would have been counterproductive to have public in before hand. Even at the meeting the other night folks were complaining and discussing issues that had nothing to do with what was within the purview or consideration of the committee. Those trying twist have sour grapes. Been here decades and let their properties fall into disrepair and complain about others that try to make improvements. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Demolish the Stone Pony so they can build it back in the same spot just with a new building? Bc why would they ever want to just demolish one of the best attractions in Asbury??? When I say why I like Asbury, going to see a show at the Pony is usually one of the first positive I list! The townhomes by North Beach? Yes- that is another winning idea! (sarcasm) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
The pony is Asbury park, its one of our landmarks, one of the things that makes us special. The idea of turning into something like jones beach is awful, leave that to pier village. Why not put a strip mall in as well Im with you on the no more residential too, give the beautiful and unique homes here a chance. Claire Davids iParcel / ITS +16464316239 - mobile +12015492502 - direct On Sep 19, 2011 5:59 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.com wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Werner Do you have the proposal docs on email or hard copy? I was out of the town the night of the meeting, but would love to see how this committee will screw up the city more Thanks Brian Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:44:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
People talking about this at work today. http://janescarousel.com/about.php Jane's Carousel... H. Yes, no Pier Village, please. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Do you hear what I hear?
App.com typically only has a story if they hit someone.shots fired won't make it as a story. Not sure why but that is the pattern in the West side. Joey 1306 Monroe Ave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: People talking about this at work today. http://janescarousel.com/about.php Jane's Carousel... H. Yes, no Pier Village, please. Carousel in Carousel house, Pony stays part of larger development (entrance to music museum) but no outdoor performance there if you are building residential. Outdoor performance on old Casino pier. Long Branch has nothing like Jones Beach Theatre. We should be so lucky for that to be done. What most of you do not realize is that Partners has the right to build what is in the plan already. It is being looked at to make it better but Partners can say no. And as to the issue of developer centric, see above. Also, assuming you were starting from scratch, you could make a plan that np one would build. But remember, they have the right to build what is already planned for. So that are the circumstances the committee worked under. Make it too restrictive, Partners says no and plan stays like it is. Personally I would never have planned for 3000+ units but that is water under the bridge. The horse has left the barn. There are those that will still want to remain in the past and discuss what cannot be changed. For my part I want to move on and make changes for the better where they can be done. Quite frankly I would be happy if we had two blocks of parkland bordering the beach and no development. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: People talking about this at work today. http://janescarousel.com/about.php Jane's Carousel... H. Yes, no Pier Village, please. I sent that to MM weeks ago when news first broke in NYC. They obviously have no intention of a carousel there, which I have been pushing for for years. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Quite frankly I would be happy if we had two blocks of parkland bordering the beach and no development. Best idea I've heard in quite awhile. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: People talking about this at work today. http://janescarousel.com/about.php Jane's Carousel... H. Yes, no Pier Village, please. Carousel in Carousel house, Pony stays part of larger development (entrance to music museum) but no outdoor performance there if you are building residential. Outdoor performance on old Casino pier. Long Branch has nothing like Jones Beach Theatre. We should be so lucky for that to be done. What most of you do not realize is that Partners has the right to build what is in the plan already. It is being looked at to make it better but Partners can say no. And as to the issue of developer centric, see above. Also, assuming you were starting from scratch, you could make a plan that np one would build. But remember, they have the right to build what is already planned for. So that are the circumstances the committee worked under. Make it too restrictive, Partners says no and plan stays like it is. Personally I would never have planned for 3000+ units but that is water under the bridge. The horse has left the barn. There are those that will still want to remain in the past and discuss what cannot be changed. For my part I want to move on and make changes for the better where they can be done. Quite frankly I would be happy if we had two blocks of parkland bordering the beach and no development. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Aint happening though. SO everyone needs to think of the amending of the plan keeping in mind Partners can develop what's in the current plan and can say no to any changes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Quite frankly I would be happy if we had two blocks of parkland bordering the beach and no development. Best idea I've heard in quite awhile. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: People talking about this at work today. http://janescarousel.com/about.php Jane's Carousel... H. Yes, no Pier Village, please. Carousel in Carousel house, Pony stays part of larger development (entrance to music museum) but no outdoor performance there if you are building residential. Outdoor performance on old Casino pier. Long Branch has nothing like Jones Beach Theatre. We should be so lucky for that to be done. What most of you do not realize is that Partners has the right to build what is in the plan already. It is being looked at to make it better but Partners can say no. And as to the issue of developer centric, see above. Also, assuming you were starting from scratch, you could make a plan that np one would build. But remember, they have the right to build what is already planned for. So that are the circumstances the committee worked under. Make it too restrictive, Partners says no and plan stays like it is. Personally I would never have planned for 3000+ units but that is water under the bridge. The horse has left the barn. There are those that will still want to remain in the past and discuss what cannot be changed. For my part I want to move on and make changes for the better where they can be done. Quite frankly I would be happy if we had two blocks of parkland bordering the beach and no development. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Here is the link to them on the city's website. http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/Waterfront_Committee_Presentation_Sept2011.pdf http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/DRAFT_WRP_Committee_landuse_Sept2011.pdf --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Werner Do you have the proposal docs on email or hard copy? I was out of the town the night of the meeting, but would love to see how this committee will screw up the city more Thanks Brian Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernerapnj@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:44:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Thank you sir Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:26:00 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting Here is the link to them on the city's website. http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/Waterfront_Committee_Presentation_Sept2011.pdf http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/DRAFT_WRP_Committee_landuse_Sept2011.pdf --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Werner Do you have the proposal docs on email or hard copy? I was out of the town the night of the meeting, but would love to see how this committee will screw up the city more Thanks Brian Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernerapnj@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:44:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
I glanced over this draft plan. Wow. Look like instead of proposing something more beachy, you are proposing Pier Village x 3. Why? Raising the height allowances along Ocean Ave, Kingsley, Heck etc. A set back after only 4 stories?? When was the last time you walked down Cookman Ave? While the report stated the view corridor didn't really matter along kingsley because you really can't see the ocean anyway? I guess you will wind up with what Larry called it originally, SOHO by the sea or something like that. http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/09/nyregion/soho-by-the-sea-asbury-park-advances-but-cautiously.html?pagewanted=2src=pm Blocking off Cookman looks like a nice idea on the surface but you then totally zone off the downtown. you might say that will draw the beach and downtown together, but I bet if you ask the downtown merchants, they'd like to see the cars come down cookman. Closing off Lake Ave/Wesley whatever is a better idea. I'd add a middle row of parking as well and do what was talked about years ago, extending a boardwalk or path from the casino, down along wesley lake to the downtown witha few sitting areas along the lake and path. It would be real neat. The age old argument here is people will either head from downtown to the boardwalk or from the BW to the downtown. A setback starting at the 4th floor is like no setback at all. I'd rather see a ground level setback off the sidewalk and let them overhang. And... better specify the height of each floor as well. Don't fall for that trap either. I wasn't gonna come back and comment as I am not supposed to for various reasons. This proposal - plan looks like someone is trying to put the city back in the city of asbury park - a true city by the sea. Maybe I have to go back and read this a little bit better. Well, best of luck with whatever happens. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Hi all, I have not been an active part of this group in quite some time. There were more important things in my life that became a priority but one thing that never changed is my growing love for the reborn city of Asbury Park. But after reading over the proposal today I felt the need to jump back in the conversation. As a planner/architect by profession, my personal opinion is that there is one major flaw in the Committee's report. I read over the entire report tonight and one thing that was not addressed is the chaning needs of a city that has grown since the redevelopment plan was drafted over a decade ago. No longer are tear downs necessary, the blight that plagued the city in the late 90s/early 2000s has all but dissappeared for most areas of the redevelopment zone. Nowhere is infill and rehab mentioned. It should be. Had it been implimented on existing structures 10 years ago, the beachfront would look like the downtown does. There was plenty of land for condos too, just like the developers desire. I'd also like to say the fact that the Stone Pony is being allowed to be threatened so easily is a joke. As some of you may remember, I originally joined this group years ago with an ambitious but perhaps unrealistic plan to incorporate the Stone Pony into a NJ music museum/hof and possible hotel. While just a vision of mine and perhaps pipe dream on my part (one that I'm sure is shared with countless others) I still submit this is the best possible use for the site. I even still have some rough sketches/plans saved... as time allows, I hope to be able to revive and improve upon them, even if just as a personal venture. Also, the Cookman Avenue closure proposal is ridiculous from a planning standpoint. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
