[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....
In response to both Sharon and Debbie I too am sorry about your dogs, and my heart goes out to you. I too can't have dogs where I live and I am saddened by it as I lost my dog too. Debbie, wonderful piece in APP about Yappy Hour. What a great idea and you do great work for all the animals. America needs to get over its non pet friendly spaces and get with the European way. Even in Canada you see doggies in shops and pubs! CH is great! My daughter came for a visit not too long ago and she loved the changes on the BW. We spent some time in CH and and thought the ambiance was a welcome transformation. What is wrong with some people! Kudos to Madison Marquette ! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Debbie, that I didn't respond about the Yappy hour! I can't have pets here, so I sort of by-pass the pet stuff. I also lost 2 animals, so I detour away from having to remember them. Pets are like children. They ask so little and are loyal as hell! The last time I was at your place, I sat outside where all the pets were, loved it, then thought about my 2 lost doggies, that I loved as much as my kids. I use to cook beef stew and mix it with the dry, for a real treat. Brown hamburger with seasonings and mix it in with the dry, for my shepard! He did everything but talked! He was so big the little kids would climb on his back and ride him! He sort of ruled our little cul-de-sac. Neighbors used to borrow him and walk him! The Community Dog! He'd try to climb onto the school bus to follow my youngest to her middle school! I've sang to my dogs, ran with them when I was able and acted like a plain old fool! I love what you do for animals, Debbie and admire you for it. Being around pets depress me, as my last 2 pets were lost to me. Someone stole one and the other was found dead. I ache, when I think of what they went through, so again, I hope you understand. Authorities seem reluctant to help you as they are only seen as animals, but to me it was like losing a relative. Going to go into Convention Hall Debbie and give it a once over on my own. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Debbie DeLisa debbiedelisa@ wrote: I think it is very sad that this group has focused all of their time and energy on politics and judgemental comments on Madison Marquette and the City Council. At this time in our lives where we are facing an extreme financial crisis we should be trying to support each other and surround this board with positive thoughts. On Monday the Asbury Park Press ran a 2 page article on the Doggy Yappy Hour at The Wonder Bar. Not one person from this group mentioned it or took the time to comment on it. This is what brings our community together---Positive events we can share with others from our neighborhood and out of town. It is not about drinking---I don't drink--it is about comraderie and being able to share quality time with a pet who shows unconditional love. The most important result of this article was before noon on Monday we had 7 calls for adoptions from as far away as Pennsylvania. The look in these little one's eyes when they are bundled up and taken to a nice warm home is all I need to make me feel that THIS is what life is all about! To: AsburyPark@: gabrielleobre@: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:59:12 +Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury good questions. who DOES run ap? part of me doesn't care. part of me does.but i DO care about who is bad mouthing CH. Sharon you go in there andtell me you think its 'sorry'. there is nothing sorry about the place. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 'sharon_b283' sharon_b283@ wrote: Which raises the point, one MO time; Who runs Asbury Park? I know that the Council has their regularly scheduled meetings, 1st and 3rd Wednesdays, they do great parades, sponsor great events, are great people individually, but what was signed away or taken over with or without their permission? Did MM buy the boardwalk and beach, too? Every time I read here that Convention Hall looks 'sorry' inside it's doors, I think, 'Where are the City Officials' and 'When is anyone going to complain about it, where it matters'? Could someone tell me where to complain, officially? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 'wernerapnj' wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 'Gabrielle Obre' gabrielleobre@ wrote: i never got the problem with the containers...it was a cheap and creative way to quickly put up income generating space and gavepeople an opportunity to have a small biz. you need to have cash coming in no? i doubt it stopped anyone from coming here. whoever complains about them needs to get over their sad ass selves. and i hopeyou are all as good looking as you want everything else to be. i hopethey are here next summer. == They are
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Art: Fourth Avenue and Main Street
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linda Griggs (http://lindagriggs.com http://lindagriggs.com ) obtained permission from the property owner of the old fueling station on the corner of Main Street and Fourth Avenue to create a mural. Here are some pictures of Linda's work in progress, these pictures have been provided to me by Linda with permission to post them. Please note that the mural is removeable and may disappear at any time, so, grab your own photos quickly! Linda will continue enhancing the mural for as long as it remains: BEFORE: [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2712037116/ AFTER: [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2712037014/ After AFTER With Detail: [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2711224747/ I'll be sure to get my camera and get some shots of this beautiful mural! Excellent work!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A/Cs other Storage on Bandshell
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not yet: Next week, so I'm shutting down most of the email I get. Will only have use of my left hand, afterward! Going to the bathroom will be awkward! :-) That's what they make baby wipes for! Should I buy some Depends? Showers only and I use a whirlpool! Normally I shampoo my hair daily, so I'll be a little sour, unless I dip my head under a running faucet. I'll improvise! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: Sharon - Didn't you have the hand surgery? I didn't email you back, because you sent that email out. How are you? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ wrote: You must mean City Council/City Fathers, as there are NO women on the Council, now. What are we, chopped liver? This group has been watch-dogging the City for years, not just day before yesterday! I've seen/read several old subjects from newbies crop up in the last few days, like yeah, right, been there, done that already, twice! Sorry you missed the band shell comments, Maureen. I could see the AC's from the driveway of the Empress, when Glenn was here, for the July 4th weekend. I didn't appreciate seeing the Boardwalk and Beach being used as some sort of exclusive venue for ANY group! The language was repulsive on the movie portion. We're all adult here, so it wasn't anything I hadn't heard before, so I won't go prude on you. Funny what you can get in this town, if you're a favored group! Just an observation, so no flames please! Sharon, good luck with your recovery from hand surgery. While I haven't had that sort of problem, I'm hobbling through the summer on one foot. I'm having a series of foot surgeries, one foot at a time, so my movement is restricted---can't enjoy the beach as much as I'd like, so if you see a lady with one blue surgical shoe...that's me! Ha Ha. Good luck with your recovery!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap wonderwomanator@ wrote: Thanks for the support sandpiper! Just to clarify, I mentioned the more urban examples of container shops to show contrast, which you understood! I read another post by a member who couldn't take a photo next to Madame Marie's due to the godawful container smack up against the side of Madam Marie's. Let's respect what we have and give careful consideration when adding structures to the streetscape! A little architectural integrity PLEASE!!! === You're barking up the wrong tree, pissing in the wind, etc, etc I've been at this for decades, Asbury Park is seriously dysfunctional and the simplest of obvious things are impossible. Werner Werner, I respect your experience, and perserverence in the face of strong opposition. I know quite well that I'm pissing in the wind, but some things just stick out so blatantly that even a tired old warrior like myself can't contain herself and has to put her 2 cents in. I know I'm basically preaching to a small choir, but there are a few newbies who may be converted. I get irritated when I read all the everything is wonderful posts, when some of these posters don't know the history of the architecture of AP. Sure, it is great that there is foot traffic on the boards, and life is coming back to a dead space. But at what price. Europeans value their architectural history. There were real opportunities for funding from the National Trust for Historic Preservation, etc which could have played a large role in preserving and restoring the remaining structures of old Asbury grandeur, but it was not to be. All that can be done now is try to reach out to new people and attempt to open their eyes and hearts.. Alas, the powers that be will do what they will as they always have. And those of us will spit in the wind and hope the wind changes direction when we do spit!! LOL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap wonderwomanator@ wrote: Re: Shipping containersYour comment describes them well: schlocky and lack of permanence. I did do some research on other cities use of containers as store fronts. NYC has a Japanese retailer who operates out of a container, as well as a shop in Montreal. As I was advised by a member, Xanadu has a similar style. Well, not to belabor the obvious, but Asbury Park isn't New York or Montreal, nor is it even Route 3. When a tourist visits New York or Montreal, they expect funky, wild, potentially garish uses of non- traditional materials. But even in those cities, tourists expect to see funky, wild, and potentially garish in certain neighborhoods, not on Strivers Row or in Old Montreal. Both cities cover hundreds of square miles and both have enough room to fit both the edgy and the historic. In one square mile Asbury Park, shipping containers on the most popular pedestrian thoroughfare in town will have a much greater aesthetic (and economic) impact on the city as a whole than containers on an abandoned wharf or in a Brooklyn parking lot. This is mearly a comment on design. I would argue it's also a comment on sensitivity and recognition. If, in fact, the developers are pointing to those cities and other metropolitan areas as justification, it shows a disconnect between the trendiness encouraged in architecture school and the reality on the ground. Several years ago, wasn't the old line in favor of the condos It works in Miami? Well, Asbury Park isn't Miami. It's not NYC or Montreal. It's not even Santa Monica. MM and the Partners really need to spend more time not just walking up and down Asbury Park's boardwalk, but also on other towns' boardwalks, to see what works and what doesn't. They need to not just accept, but embrace, the very un-metropolitan look and feel (and allure) of coastal Monmouth County. They need to closely study the history of Asbury Park's architecture with an eye toward scale and density. The 5th Avenue Pavilion is a perfect example of something that was doubtless edgy when it debuted (still is, in a way), but never felt temporary. Asbury Park has endured several half-assed projects over the past 25 years (Maharishi at the Berkeley, skate park in the Casino, Vinyl) After all that time, and with all the recent accomplishments, the citizens and other investors deserve better. I respect those who are taking the opportunity to open a business on the bw for a reasonable price...I just think that another form of structure would be better suited for the facade of the boardwalk. Not a minority opinion, I'd bet. Thanks for the support sandpiper! Just to clarify, I mentioned the more urban examples of container shops to show contrast, which you understood! I read another post by a member who couldn't take a photo next to Madame Marie's due to the godawful container smack up against the side of Madam Marie's. Let's respect what we have and give careful consideration when adding structures to the streetscape! A little architectural integrity PLEASE!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
Re: Shipping containersYour comment describes them well: schlocky and lack of permanence. I did do some research on other cities use of containers as store fronts. NYC has a Japanese retailer who operates out of a container, as well as a shop in Montreal. As I was advised by a member, Xanadu has a similar style. Guess I'm just not hip Industrial architecture just doesn't seem to move me. And I don't think it is a fit with the anchors of The Carousel/Casino and Convention Hall. This is mearly a comment on design. I respect those who are taking the opportunity to open a business on the bw for a reasonable price...I just think that another form of structure would be better suited for the facade of the boardwalk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint dapawprint@ wrote: I have uploaded them to Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw Great pics and it's nice to see the beach so crowded. I'm curious how folks feel about that big blue screen that, according to your caption, was put up so people who didn't pay to get into the party couldn't see. Did it cover just the area of the dance party? Or was it up all the way between CH and the Casino? Or even halfway? I guess if it was just cordoning off a few dozen feet that's okay, but it wouldn't send the best message if they start limiting the view of the Atlantic to the privileged few. But again, the crowds were good. Are those wood boards on top of the oceanside wall of the First Avenue Pavilion going to become anything? I hope they're not sticking a permanent bus shelter type overhang there. Retractable awnings would be better. Corazza needs a more lively color too. Maybe aquamarine for the Blue Bishops? It's cool to see the pride flags on the boardwalk. Does MM plan to put other flags up throughout the season? Like these state and American flags http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/asburyparkmarine.jpg the city used to fly there? Or maybe flags of different nations during the Olympics? Might be nice. Re: The shipping containers. I love a good Cuban sandwich (Zafra in Hoboken...m). But all the fake palm trees and colorful umbrellas in the world won't make these things look any less temporary and, thus, schlocky. There's been talk of reviving the Circuit. Wouldn't putting some of these businesses on Kingsley go a long way toward that end? They tore down the Flamingo anyway. They have the space. And what's going on with that blue shack behind the Pony that's been falling in on itself for 30 years? These businesses could occupy those spaces, you get the ratables plus foot traffic a block back, and you wouldn't lose the sightlines or airflow from the boardwalk. But so as not to end on a downer, the Beach Bar looks very nice and it's heartening to see so many people and so many businesses in the CH arcade. Reminds me of the old classic car and boat shows there. (hopefully they'll bring those back. Along with the organ concerts http://www.ogcma.org/pages/organrecitals ! [;)] ) And that sandcastle workshop was a great idea. Anybody go to that? Any pics of the results? Good to see the volleyball nets up too. With Belmar seemingly intent on alienating its traditional revenue base http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-jersey0718,0,1256772.story\ , maybe the AP Chamber of Commerce could start writing some friendly letters to the AVP http://web.avp.com/events/index.jsp?eventId=1027 . Just a thought. Finally, you better be careful. With all the folks clamoring to see the guy with the duck, D-For could become the new Tillie! ;) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap wonderwomanator@ wrote: I am a City Planner by education. I took many classes on Architecture and Urban Design . They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which are looking great by the way) As a city planner what are your thoughts on having anything in those spaces, regardless of how they look? I'm sure you know the history and reasoning behind the flared streets between Ocean and Kingsley that correspond to those spaces. Is it worth it lose that air flow and those sightlines in order to gain whatever rent they're making on those containers? That's another point altogether! I think that the thought that went into the initial design of the street plan was visionary. You have to admit that the wide streets at the oceanside do allow some great circulation to the uppper blocks in town,(of which I'm a beneficiary!) If you compare Asbury design to say the obstruction of the oceanfront in Long Branch you can see what extreme building conveysthe beach is only for some people...for example. You raise some good points. I had only been thinking about the facade factor when I initially posted. Open spaces between the pavillions does make sense if you are keeping with historical design standards. It makes additional sense if you keep in mind environmental problems of today. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Park Metal Container Shops
I'm going to Rant so be prepared folks! I live in Asbury Park. Lots of good things are happening here finally. Unfortunately I need to complain and I do that very well so I'll refrain from whining. Some background. I am a City Planner by education. I took many classes on Architecture and Urban Design . The focus of 3 Senior papers in college was Waterfront Development, so I have the credentials to complain. I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using shipping containers painted white as storefronts? My God they are hideous!!! They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which are looking great by the way) I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers whatever it may be is too much. I took a walk with my boyfriend this morning to get a first hand look at the progress. I wanted to give the developers time to get things rolling and be objective when I viewed the boardwalk. I'm sorry but whatever good feelings the improvements on the pavillions impart, they are immediately crashed by these god awful trash boxes. Ugh! In a few weeks, you will have to pay to park for the boards and beach : 50c /hr. I think patrons will need alot more to draw them to the beach and stay while paying 50c/hr for shipping box shopping. Just a thought. Another criticism: try having shops open at 7:30 am... lots of people are on the boards, running , walking , biking . Get some of the foot traffic $$$. I sure was thirsty and could have used an ice drink or even a breakfast sandwich. There is a restaurant at the end of the boards that is open year round (good idea) . I love the miniature golf course. It looks great and people are using it. I'll be there next weekend!! I can't golf , but I love mini golf. They are still building the waterpark...can't wait for that either. Good things coming there. Yes Virginia, there is a new Asbury Park. But it needs some help!!! I love this town. It is coming back is better than ever. But Visuals speak a thousand words.. get rid of the shipping containers asap! A David Byrne view of development nothing But) Flowers--Talking Heads Here we stand Like an Adam and an Eve Waterfalls The Garden of Eden Two fools in love So beautiful and strong The birds in the trees Are smiling upon them From the age of the dinosaurs Cars have run on gasoline Where, where have they gone? Now, it's nothing but flowers There was a factory Now there are mountains and rivers you got it, you got it We caught a rattlesnake Now we got something for dinner we got it, we got it There was a shopping mall Now it's all covered with flowers you've got it, you've got it If this is paradise I wish I had a lawnmower you've got it, you've got it Years ago I was an angry young man I'd pretend That I was a billboard Standing tall By the side of the road I fell in love With a beautiful highway This used to be real estate Now it's only fields and trees Where, where is the town Now, it's nothing but flowers The highways and cars Were sacrificed for agriculture I thought that we'd start over But I guess I was wrong Once there were parking lots Now it's a peaceful oasis you got it, you got it This was a Pizza Hut Now it's all covered with daisies you got it, you got it I miss the honky tonks, Dairy Queens, and 7-Elevens you got it, you got it And as things fell apart Nobody paid much attention you got it, you got it I dream of cherry pies, Candy bars, and chocolate chip cookies you got it, you got it We used to microwave Now we just eat nuts and berries you got it, you got it This was a discount store, Now it's turned into a cornfield you got it, you got it Don't leave me stranded here I can't get used to this lifestyle Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Carousel House has Gates.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just viewed a Flickr picture. There are gate doors on the carousel house of The Casino. Where is that picLove to see it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: good place for dinner in AP?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've eaten at Rafferty's a couple of time. The food was OK, but need a different atmosphere. Any recommendations for a First Saturday dinner? Why not Market in the Middle??? Nice atmosphere and great food. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, njshoregirlap wonderwomanator@ wrote: every building which anyone had an interest in preserving was included in the waterfront redevelopment plan. Once the area was included in the plan, the jurisdiction and control fell to the Master Developer. I haven't read the plan in detail, but I gather from previous posts on this board that the Master Developer has, on several occasions, failed to meet their end of the contract (deadlines, etc). In light of that, I can only wonder why the city would feel compelled to honor the original agreement without demanding amendments to adress the very issues you raise here. I had studied the plan in detail back in 2003, and the plan was filled with inconsistencies. Yes, there were time lines and they were violated time and again. It was also difficult to deal with a Plan which had many back room amendments...who could keep track of what timeline was now applicable. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dougandcathy_mcqueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had the money, I'd love to preserve all of the buildings in Asbury Park. But the fact is, I don't, and when market realities dictate what gets done and not done, unfortunately money talks. That said, the other avenue to counter market forces is a historic preservation program that actually has teeth. If buildings were designated under a meaningful historic program, then market forces couldn't always rule the day. Until that happens, money talks and nostalgia walks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Did you see the art in question? It wasn't like typical graffiti at all. I agree with most of what else you had to say though. Personally, I think we should dress up Larry Fishman and his band of demolition artists in orange jumpsuits and parade them around the city to show people who destroyed the real asbury boardwalk area. In my opinion, Asbury Park is becoming gentrified in the name of money, just like everyplace else in this country. To me, it would be nice if we preserved our heritage rather then constantly feeling the need to rebuild it. It's pretty hard to see the 200 years of history we have here because we love to tear it down. That's another reason I love Europe. At least when I go there I can see history. Here in the USA, we're awash in crappy pedestrian architecture that lines our highways and cities. I've said this many times before, but it's getting to the point in America where you could wake up in virtually any given place and have no idea where you are because it's all starting to look the same. \--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dougandcathy_mcqueen dougandcathy_mcqueen@ wrote: Social Commentary: Yes Art:Maybe Illegal:Definitely To say that it's not malicicious to destroy someone else's property (even public property) by spraypainting on it without their permission is ridiculous! Why do people think its OK to graffiti on public property when they wouldn't want someone else doing it to their house? That's just as senseless as those who feel it's OK to throw litter in public, but not in their own yard. I get the whole social commentary thing, but where does it stop? What if someone else decided to undertake a vast array of other crimes as part of a social commentary, like lighting fires, shooting out street lights, or sending internet viruses? Instead of breaking the law (for which the artist should be fined), the artist should seek a productive outlet for his art. I would suggest approaching the city or the owners of other property he's defaced to see if they'll pay him to do a legitimate piece. Meanwhile, the graffiti (even if it is social commentary) continues to leave Asbury stuck with the downtrodden look that it has had for years, which leads residents and visitors to beleive that this place can't overcome its past. Or here's another idea for an art piece: we can dress our graffiti artist up in a bright orange jumpsuit, and have him spend the day scrubbing paint from public property. This would be a social commentary on how everyone is contributing to make Asbury Park a better place. It'll be great! Just my opinion, but at least I didn't spraypaint it on the side of a building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: But, it wasn't painted on my front door. It was social commentary about Asbury Park. Not malicious. I have little doubt that the person who created it is a bona fide artist. I wish I would've taken a picture of it before it got covered up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: The graffiti was art, not just any old graffiti. The first time I saw it, viewing it for about 2 Art it may be, but if it were painted on your front door - would it be art or graffiti? I agree that graffiti is art when. There was a good story awhile back ago about programs that took these artists and turned their skills into usefuil careers - in the arts. With all due respect, there was a Historic Program with teeth associated with the Palace Amusements... It was designated a National Historic Site. That did not preclude the Asbury Demolition Partners from demolishing a historic building. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:
[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering - were there ever any serious offers to buy and restore the Palace? Saving something like that requires both good intentions and the financial resources and business plan that will fund it's restoraton and deliver profits once that's done. I don't remember hearing of any real interest out there. I'm not making a statement here about whether it should have been saved or not, just wondering if there was ever any real solutions that would have saved it. x With all due respect, there was a Historic Program with teeth associated with the Palace Amusements... It was designated a National Historic Site. That did not preclude the Asbury Demolition Partners from demolishing a historic building. Well to the best of my recollection there were groups who were interested in preservation and restoration. But every building which anyone had an interest in preserving was included in the waterfront redevelopment plan. Once the area was included in the plan, the jurisdiction and control fell to the Master Developer. There have been many lawsuits filed on behalf of individual developers who wished to preserve buildings in their historic character, but were denied that ability by the courts. Ultimately, you see the results: many buildings with character and history who fell to the wrecking ball. Sad indeed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
