[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends of Asbury Park: along with a short list of names of citizens that I feel should serve on this committee. We must recruit the most qualified citizens to help the city reach the goals and objectives I have outlined below. Committee Membership: One member from each of the nine voting districts in Asbury Park; two Asbury Park City Council members; two Asbury Park business owners; one member from the NJ Department of Community Affairs, one member from the NJ Treasurer's Office. curious, will you share the names you submitted with us? do you believe all should be taxpayers(ie not renters)? do you believe city employees could serve on said committee? thank you Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
I think renters should qualify, they pay a lot of taxes directly and indirectly through the landlord. And just because someone rents, it does not mean they are not talented to contribute to the committee. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: curious, will you share the names you submitted with us? do you believe all should be taxpayers(ie not renters)? do you believe city employees could serve on said committee? thank you Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
The key word(s) here are ...who paid property taxes or: Your principal residence is subject to local property taxes, and property taxes are paid on that residence through rent; and Your principal residence is a full living unit with its own separate kitchen and bathroom. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
***Technically, you're NOT a taxpayer if you live in a tax exempt property - fed housing, religious housing etc (there's more detail but thats a summary). Interesting tidbit The key word(s) here are ...who paid property taxes Fed Housing, religous housing claim/get exempted from paying property taxes, therefore, you can't double dip. Hey, I'd rather be exempt from paying property taxes and pay as I go. With that extra money, I can give and live pretty good and get that new s500 for free. I shall become a Rabbai. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
In a message dated 11/16/2007 7:50:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ***Technically, you're NOT a taxpayer if you live in a tax exempt property - fed housing, religious housing etc (there's more detail but thats a summary). Interesting tidbit ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
No thoughts on this below? To answer the question of what percentage of the budget is discretionary spending and what percentage is mandated, is to also answer the question of whether a budget committee is needed. Lots of folks could end up on a committee that is a complete waste of their time without that question being answered first. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curious: How much of the current budget is discretionary spending, and how much is mandated spending by County, State, Feds, BofE, etc? Anyone know? I don't. Heard that generally in most towns its quite small, but I couldn't tell you how small. Googlization failed me on the issue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think renters should qualify, they pay a lot of taxes directly and indirectly through the landlord. And just because someone rents, it does not mean they are not talented to contribute to the committee. Renters ARE taxpayers and therefore, should qualify. A landlord figures out what his expenses are. Property taxes which the landlord pays (residential) are a portion of that expense. ***Technically, you're NOT a taxpayer if you live in a tax exempt property - fed housing, religious housing etc (there's more detail but thats a summary). Either way, you should still have the opportunity regardless, if you're qualified and want to donate your time and pull your hair out. Good luck. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
Jim, Does your ego permit you to feel any sense of shame when you attack the council majority in this irresponsible fashion? I was just wondering. Paul Vail --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends of Asbury Park: At the November 7th City Council Meeting, Terry Reidy, the City Manager, announced that he is seeking citizens to serve on a Budget Committee. I was excited to learn of this because in recent weeks, I have been working on a draft plan for a Committee for Fiscal Responsibility. From his brief explanation of what he has in mind, I believe we are on the same page on this issue. I have included a copy of my draft plan below for your review and have submitted this plan to the City Manager, along with a short list of names of citizens that I feel should serve on this committee. It is important for each of you to know why this committee is so necessary at this point in Asbury Park's development. Because of the failed policies of the Council majority, most specifically in regards to the Waterfront Redevelopment Plan and the Waterfront Redevelopment Agreement, our city is short $8 million dollars in tax revenue to cover our bills for 2007 and it is projected that we will be short $12.5 million dollars in 2008. For those of you who are unaware, by this point in the redevelopment of the waterfront, we should have been close to having 1200 new condominium units (300 each year). To date, we have approximately 40. One cannot blame the most recent market shifts for this lack of performance. This is a matter of incompetence on the part of Asbury Partners and an unwillingness to play hard ball on the part of the Council majority. These are the facts and we must deal with them. What is necessary now is clear leadership and direction to get our fiscal house in order. We must recruit the most qualified citizens to help the city reach the goals and objectives I have outlined below. If you are interested in serving on this committee, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or email the City Manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] For your convenience I have posted this information on my blog at www.keadyreport.blogspot.com. If you have comments you would like other citizens to read, please post them there. I hope this finds you well. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady PROPOSAL BY COUNCILMAN JIM KEADY COMMITTEE FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY DRAFT: MISSION, GOALS, OBJECTIVES Mission: The Committee for Fiscal Responsibility will advise the CFO, City Manager, and City Council to create an efficient, cost effective, and performance-orientated City government. Goals: 1. To reduce overall spending by 5% for the 2008 fiscal year and 7.5% for fiscal year 2009. 2. To increase revenues by 5% for the 2008 fiscal year and by 7.5% for fiscal year 2009. 3. To establish a five-year strategic plan for the City government. Objectives: 1. City Council will vote on the creation of this committee and appoint its members by December 31, 2007. 2. All City Departments will submit 2008 mission, goals, objectives and budgets by December 31, 2007 and project for their departments the goals and budgets for each fiscal year from 2009 through 2012. 3. The Committee will meet once a week beginning January 2008. 4. The Committee will review proposed 2008 mission, goals, objectives and budgets and recommend spending cuts and income enhancements for each department by February 15, 2008. 5. The Committee will develop a draft five-year strategic plan for revenues and expenditures in collaboration with the CFO and City Manager by March 15, 2008. 6. The City Council will review, revise and adopt a five-year strategic plan by April 15, 2008. 7. The Committee will meet monthly with the CFO and City Manager to review the implementation of the five-year plan to review its adherence to the department budgets and the income projections, and make recommendations for necessary adjustments. Committee Membership: One member from each of the nine voting districts in Asbury Park; two Asbury Park City Council members; two Asbury Park business owners; one member from the NJ Department of Community Affairs, one member from the NJ Treasurer's Office. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
That comment ought to light up the board for a couple days. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, Does your ego permit you to feel any sense of shame when you attack the council majority in this irresponsible fashion? I was just wondering. Paul Vail --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Friends of Asbury Park: At the November 7th City Council Meeting, Terry Reidy, the City Manager, announced that he is seeking citizens to serve on a Budget Committee. I was excited to learn of this because in recent weeks, I have been working on a draft plan for a Committee for Fiscal Responsibility. From his brief explanation of what he has in mind, I believe we are on the same page on this issue. I have included a copy of my draft plan below for your review and have submitted this plan to the City Manager, along with a short list of names of citizens that I feel should serve on this committee. It is important for each of you to know why this committee is so necessary at this point in Asbury Park's development. Because of the failed policies of the Council majority, most specifically in regards to the Waterfront Redevelopment Plan and the Waterfront Redevelopment Agreement, our city is short $8 million dollars in tax revenue to cover our bills for 2007 and it is projected that we will be short $12.5 million dollars in 2008. For those of you who are unaware, by this point in the redevelopment of the waterfront, we should have been close to having 1200 new condominium units (300 each year). To date, we have approximately 40. One cannot blame the most recent market shifts for this lack of performance. This is a matter of incompetence on the part of Asbury Partners and an unwillingness to play hard ball on the part of the Council majority. These are the facts and we must deal with them. What is necessary now is clear leadership and direction to get our fiscal house in order. We must recruit the most qualified citizens to help the city reach the goals and objectives I have outlined below. If you are interested in serving on this committee, please email me at james.keady@ or email the City Manager at terence.reidy@ For your convenience I have posted this information on my blog at www.keadyreport.blogspot.com. If you have comments you would like other citizens to read, please post them there. I hope this finds you well. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady PROPOSAL BY COUNCILMAN JIM KEADY COMMITTEE FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY DRAFT: MISSION, GOALS, OBJECTIVES Mission: The Committee for Fiscal Responsibility will advise the CFO, City Manager, and City Council to create an efficient, cost effective, and performance-orientated City government. Goals: 1. To reduce overall spending by 5% for the 2008 fiscal year and 7.5% for fiscal year 2009. 2. To increase revenues by 5% for the 2008 fiscal year and by 7.5% for fiscal year 2009. 3. To establish a five-year strategic plan for the City government. Objectives: 1. City Council will vote on the creation of this committee and appoint its members by December 31, 2007. 2. All City Departments will submit 2008 mission, goals, objectives and budgets by December 31, 2007 and project for their departments the goals and budgets for each fiscal year from 2009 through 2012. 3. The Committee will meet once a week beginning January 2008. 4. The Committee will review proposed 2008 mission, goals, objectives and budgets and recommend spending cuts and income enhancements for each department by February 15, 2008. 5. The Committee will develop a draft five-year strategic plan for revenues and expenditures in collaboration with the CFO and City Manager by March 15, 2008. 6. The City Council will review, revise and adopt a five-year strategic plan by April 15, 2008. 7. The Committee will meet monthly with the CFO and City Manager to review the implementation of the five-year plan to review its adherence to the department budgets and the income projections, and make recommendations for necessary adjustments. Committee Membership: One member from each of the nine voting districts in Asbury Park; two Asbury Park City Council members; two Asbury Park business owners; one member from the NJ Department of Community Affairs, one member from the NJ Treasurer's Office. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
As far as I'm concerned, Jim is the only council member that actively reaches out to his community, and one has to respect that considering the history of our cities administration. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That comment ought to light up the board for a couple days. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Jim, Does your ego permit you to feel any sense of shame when you attack the council majority in this irresponsible fashion? I was just wondering. Paul Vail --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Friends of Asbury Park: At the November 7th City Council Meeting, Terry Reidy, the City Manager, announced that he is seeking citizens to serve on a Budget Committee. I was excited to learn of this because in recent weeks, I have been working on a draft plan for a Committee for Fiscal Responsibility. From his brief explanation of what he has in mind, I believe we are on the same page on this issue. I have included a copy of my draft plan below for your review and have submitted this plan to the City Manager, along with a short list of names of citizens that I feel should serve on this committee. It is important for each of you to know why this committee is so necessary at this point in Asbury Park's development. Because of the failed policies of the Council majority, most specifically in regards to the Waterfront Redevelopment Plan and the Waterfront Redevelopment Agreement, our city is short $8 million dollars in tax revenue to cover our bills for 2007 and it is projected that we will be short $12.5 million dollars in 2008. For those of you who are unaware, by this point in the redevelopment of the waterfront, we should have been close to having 1200 new condominium units (300 each year). To date, we have approximately 40. One cannot blame the most recent market shifts for this lack of performance. This is a matter of incompetence on the part of Asbury Partners and an unwillingness to play hard ball on the part of the Council majority. These are the facts and we must deal with them. What is necessary now is clear leadership and direction to get our fiscal house in order. We must recruit the most qualified citizens to help the city reach the goals and objectives I have outlined below. If you are interested in serving on this committee, please email me at james.keady@ or email the City Manager at terence.reidy@ For your convenience I have posted this information on my blog at www.keadyreport.blogspot.com. If you have comments you would like other citizens to read, please post them there. I hope this finds you well. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady PROPOSAL BY COUNCILMAN JIM KEADY COMMITTEE FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY DRAFT: MISSION, GOALS, OBJECTIVES Mission: The Committee for Fiscal Responsibility will advise the CFO, City Manager, and City Council to create an efficient, cost effective, and performance-orientated City government. Goals: 1. To reduce overall spending by 5% for the 2008 fiscal year and 7.5% for fiscal year 2009. 2. To increase revenues by 5% for the 2008 fiscal year and by 7.5% for fiscal year 2009. 3. To establish a five-year strategic plan for the City government. Objectives: 1. City Council will vote on the creation of this committee and appoint its members by December 31, 2007. 2. All City Departments will submit 2008 mission, goals, objectives and budgets by December 31, 2007 and project for their departments the goals and budgets for each fiscal year from 2009 through 2012. 3. The Committee will meet once a week beginning January 2008. 4. The Committee will review proposed 2008 mission, goals, objectives and budgets and recommend spending cuts and income enhancements for each department by February 15, 2008. 5. The Committee will develop a draft five-year strategic plan for revenues and expenditures in collaboration with the CFO and City Manager by March 15, 2008. 6. The City Council will review, revise and adopt a five-year strategic plan by April 15, 2008. 7. The Committee will meet monthly with the CFO and City Manager to review the implementation of the five-year plan to review its adherence to the department budgets and the income projections, and make recommendations for necessary adjustments. Committee Membership: One member from each of the nine voting districts in Asbury Park; two Asbury Park City Council members; two Asbury Park business owners; one member from the NJ Department of Community
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Jim, Does your ego permit you to feel any sense of shame when you attack the council majority in this irresponsible fashion? I was just wondering. Paul Vail Why is it irresponsible? Because he doesn't go along wih the flow?? The guy might be right 100% of the time, but he at least makes you think - like it or not? You might be asking yourself if and when the time comes you ever get revalued and/or start to pay school taxes or you're working on the 2009 (let's skip over 2008) budget and only 200 new condos are sold and the state doesn't want to pay another $10m to cover a shortfallhey - how come I slammed that Keady guy? Like I said and tell my kids...one of these you have to stand and make it on your own. Same here. The state can't continue to pay for $100 million to run the schools (without oversight) nor can they cut a check out for every shortfall in the budget (without oversight) year, after year, after year after... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it irresponsible? Because he doesn't go along wih the flow?? The guy might be right 100% of the time, but he at least makes you think - like it or not? What is good for the goose is good for the gander and I will be evenhanded. I tok Paul to task months ago for including statements about JK in his SUFA posts. My point was that they were not central to the issue. Always stay on point. I am not judging who is wrong or right here, but truthfully, I would have liked the post from JK better had it not contained those statements Paul takes issue with. I can see both sides of the coin. Those comments are not central to the issue. The purpose of this committee is not to prove anyone wrong or right, but to fix things going forward. To include comments not central to the issue and that persons could be on either side, diffuses its purpose. Everyone (I assume) would be on the side of increasing revenues and decreasing expenditures. But if appears to be an indictment of some, then people, who might otherwise agree with its mission, oppose it. I've said it before - we are all in the same boat. We better start rowing together in the same direction. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
Evenhanded indeed. Thank you. I could have stay'd here all the night To hear good counsel: O, what learning is!-- Will Shakespeare In a message dated 11/15/2007 5:51:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is good for the goose is good for the gander and I will be evenhanded. I tok Paul to task months ago for including statements about JK in his SUFA posts. My point was that they were not central to the issue. Always stay on point. I am not judging who is wrong or right here, but truthfully, I would have liked the post from JK better had it not contained those statements Paul takes issue with. I can see both sides of the coin. Those comments are not central to the issue. The purpose of this committee is not to prove anyone wrong or right, but to fix things going forward. To include comments not central to the issue and that persons could be on either side, diffuses its purpose. Everyone (I assume) would be on the side of increasing revenues and decreasing expenditures. But if appears to be an indictment of some, then people, who might otherwise agree with its mission, oppose it. I've said it before - we are all in the same boat. We better start rowing together in the same direction. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
Curious: How much of the current budget is discretionary spending, and how much is mandated spending by County, State, Feds, BofE, etc? Anyone know? I don't. Heard that generally in most towns its quite small, but I couldn't tell you how small. Googlization failed me on the issue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Budget Committee
I've said it before - we are all in the same boat. We better start rowing together in the same direction. To row a boat, you need the oars. You need the money to buy the oars. No money, no oars. Then you either drift alone, waiting to be rescued, crash or jump and swim for it. Take your pick. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
