Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[Sharon G. Boone]

I forgot about the paint store. I forgot the names of the Kids store on Cookman and Bond and there was a Thom McAnn where the Koreans are now. Oh, and J.J. Newberry's! The little restaurant where the Black Box is, too! It all comes back! Lerner's was downtown, also. Asbury had EVERYTHING! 2 drugstores, 3 dime stores, Chi-Chi Boutiques, smaller more affordable boutiques, where Larry Lawson's Mom worked! People looked like you and if they didn't, they knew you as a regular, in their stores. I was NEVER followed around like they do, now, which I totally ignore them because I never enter a store if I don't have the plastic OR the cash! I've never been a thief and wouldn't know where to start, now! The NEW people, running around calling themselves the Association, guild, merchant's whatever, were NOT here through the lean years and they think they know what makes Asbury Park tick! Blacks grew up with the whites, went to school together, and no, it wasn't perfect, but you understood what the game, was. Any whites caught on the Ave., stuck out like a sore thumb, so to ask why white kids are in a particular neighborhood, unless they were delivering Pizza, speak VOLUMES! All of the pseudo-historians running around labeling themselves as Asbury Park Historians, need to get a hint! The only way you know when something is going on is the DRUM!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"DavidJ.Mieras\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:



Excellent blow by blow Sharon. The only stores I can think of that somehow weathered the storm are Carl (Mr. Fashion) Felix Fox, the paint store. It's a toss up between Steinbach's  the Asbury Park Press regarding the death knell scenario I think. 



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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395
After the riots of July 1970, a mall was built off the Asbury Circle. It opened around 1975, with the Steinbach Store being the anchor, then Sears moved across 66, from where the IHOP is. The main entrance to Sears was there. The closing of Steinbach's on Cookman sounded the death knell of the "old" downtown. The rest of the stores went to Norwood Ave., in Deal, like Pix Shoes. Nahan's and Fischs's moved to Ocean township on Hwy. 35. Nahan's is still where is moved to. Fisch's went out of business. Bob and Irving's, Pix Shoes, the Army /Navy Store on Main St. are where the new Municiple complex is. By 1975, only the Baronet and one other theatre was open. The Savoy on Mattison, closed! The Press Box restaurant, Rexall's, (Sonny's), Bob and David's, Wolco's, the Record store, Mr. Fashion, and a couple of dime stores, Woolworth's, WTGrants and another,were all that was left. Canadian's at Press Plaza closed shortly after. The small boutiques also moved to upscale Deal or Allenhurst. The Bra and Girdle factory were there through the 80's, then they closed by Kennedy Park. Bergers moved to Seaview Square and Dainty Apparel closed. I was a professional shopper back then, with 5 growing children, so I knew where the clothes, shoes, eyeglasses for my kids and Varsity Jackets were, that they HAD to have! First Communion, Confirmation, Buster Brown and Stride Right Shoes were ALL purchased rith there on Cookman, Ave., THE place to be, until the remaining stores shut down, one by one! I never liked Monmouth Mall, so I'd go to Woodbridge and Staten Island to shop for my kids, thereafter, although there was a Stenbach still in Red Bank. Never cared much for Red Bank. Different attitude there if you're Black. The better stores in North Jersey didn't give a rat's ass, as long as your money was green! I liked that! Shopped at AS, Ohrbach's, Stern's and Macy's. Better stuff! Really good service, too.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> nbsp;wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:JustafewobservationsfromAsburyRadio'stable-And,theyexpressedsuspicionaboutthecity'sdedicationtorestorethelandmarks,becauseofthecurrentappearanceandthetimethat'sgonebysincetheCitystarteditscomeback.Onecoupleaskedhowthecondoscouldbesellingaswellasreported,preconstruction,whenthesurroundingareastilllookedsobad.Iwasbeginningtothinkwewereonlyintheuniverse,butitappearstohavemadecontactwithotherintelligentlifeforms.Thankgoodnesswearenotaloneafterall.Iseethistemperingofenthusiamasbothgoodandbad.Thegoodisthatitbringssomerationality(andperhapsresponsibility)tothetable,muchlikerationalitycomingbacktothestockmarket.Whilehealthyforthelongrun,somemustbearthepain.Likemostrealestateprofessionalsandlaymanalike,Iamwaitingforthebubbletoburst.JustlastweekIhadDonaldTrumpaskmewhatIthoughtwasgoingtohappeninthemarketplace.I lookedathimandsaid,"you'reaskingme,you'reDonaldTrump?"Thatisexactlyhowperplexingithasbeen.Justlikeingolfandaswingattheplate,poorfollowthroughcanruinyourgameinrealestate.Ihavemyfingerscrossedthatthiswillnothap

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[Sharon G. Boone]

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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a few observations from Asbury Radio's table -
 And, they expressed suspicion about the city's dedication to restore 
the 
 landmarks, because of the current appearance and the time that's gone 
by since the 
 City started its comeback.
 One couple asked how the condos could be selling as well as reported, 
 preconstruction, when the surrounding area still looked so bad.

I was beginning to think we were only in the universe, but it appears 
to have made contact with other intelligent life forms. Thank goodness 
we are not alone after all.

I see this tempering of enthusiam as both good and bad. The good is 
that it brings some rationality (and perhaps responsibility) to the 
table, much like rationality coming back to the stock market. While 
healthy for the long run, some must bear the pain. Like most real 
estate professionals and layman alike, I am waiting for the bubble to 
burst. Just last week I had Donald Trump ask me what I thought was 
going to happen in the marketplace. I looked at him and said, you're 
asking me, you're Donald Trump? That is exactly how perplexing it has 
been. Just like in golf and a swing at the plate, poor follow through 
can ruin your game in real estate. I have my fingers crossed that this 
will not happen in AP, but I have seen it before. When a market 
downturn hits, those areas being gentrified that are not substantially 
completed, gets hit worse and take longer to recover. While no one is 
predicting as serious a downturn as occured in the late-1980's to early-
1990's (does anyone really know for sure), market conditions are 
eroding as we speak. Let's be frank about it. In addition to, and in 
spite of its special nature, what has brought most to AP is its 
availibility of relative bargains. Those bargains are already 
dissappearing. If and when the market goes down, there will be relative 
bargains elsewhere for many. In places with less crime, better schools 
and more substantial and better maintained infrastructure. While those 
areas may not have the same funky allure of AP, people will weigh the 
pros with the cons in making a decision. If the price of the new condos 
cannot be obtained (and let me tell you that there are some pretty 
heady projetions), they will not get built, at least until market 
conditions improve. If caught (as I am fond of comparing the current 
state of AP's redevelopment process) with its pants down, there will 
be the perception that they may never get built and that it was another 
false start. Now, if substantial work had already progressed on the 
pavillions and historic structures, and other amenities of the general 
area, the downturn would be weathered differently. Forgive me for being 
blue this week, it was just a full moon in the past few days.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
 Now, if substantial work had already progressed on the 
 pavillions and historic structures, and other amenities of
 the general area, the downturn would be weathered differently.
 Forgive me for being blue this week, it was just a full moon
 in the past few days.

That is exactly why a preservation based plan, the 1991 plan for 
example, would have been better for Asbury Park. There was a 
substantial desire of the public for that to happen. See the 
Preservation Plan in the files section:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/

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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[wernerapnj]

 ...
  Now, if substantial work had already progressed on the 
  pavillions and historic structures, and other amenities of
  the general area, the downturn would be weathered differently.
  Forgive me for being blue this week, it was just a full moon
  in the past few days.

From the 'Deal':

3.3 Pavilion Properties

... The Pavilion Properties are a priority for rehabilitation as well 
as an important part of the retail component of the Plan...If Master 
Developer purchases the Pavilion Properties it must commence 
construction on at least one Pavilion Property, or at Master 
Developer's option, the property currently owned by Master Developer 
located east of Ocean Avenue, currently delineated as Block-176, Lot-
4, within 6 months of obtaining all government approvals, which 
permits shall be promptly applied for.

How long has it been since the appovals?

Werner 






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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How long has it been since the appovals?
 
I think one of Tommy's points is the difficulty of obtaining approvals. 
Perhaps you could clear this up for us Werber, can you summarize 
exactly what has been applied for and what has been approved? Also, the 
way it is written doesn't really say that they have to APPLY within a 
certain period (does it?) but just that they have to commence work with 
a period after APPROVED. Of course, that's what we see as the problem 
with this poorly written agreement. It does not protect the city. All 
advantage is given to the developer (sic). Why you would continue to 
ride a horse that keeps throwing you is beyond me. What this city needs 
is competent lega representation that works in its best interests. Of 
course, it has to want that in the first place. 





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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think one of Tommy's points is the difficulty of obtaining 
approvals. 
 Perhaps you could clear this up for us (Werner), can you summarize 
 exactly what has been applied for and what has been approved?
 Also, the way it is written doesn't really say that they have to
 APPLY within a certain period (does it?) but just that they have
 to commence work with a period after APPROVED.

I'll see what I can dig up. I read it to say it's a priority, permits 
promptly applied for, commence within 6 months, etc.

Isn't there a lawyer here somewhere? :-) Tom, how about looking at
that section of the agreement and giving us an analysis? The document 
is in the files section of the group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files

Werner





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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Isn't there a lawyer here somewhere? :-) Tom, how about looking at
 that section of the agreement and giving us an analysis? The document 
 is in the files section of the group.
 
Show me two lawyers and I'll show you two different opinions. No 
offense Tom, I would like to see what you think, but I suspect I know 
alreay. You'll have to agree that it leaves holes wide enough to drive 
a truck through for Fishman. What it comes down to, as Tom as said in 
the past, is that you have to bring an action to compel enforcement 
(whatever the interpretation). Tom has cautioned against that, however, 
what good is any contract if someone knows you won't do anything to 
enforce it. Some contracts are better than others. This was written by 
an attorney, but we're not sure who's.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

[Skip Bernstein]

Tom too has a conflict, our wonder boy works for the Fish.

Skip Bernstein

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- Original Message - 
From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:41 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395


 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think one of Tommy's points is the difficulty of obtaining
 approvals.
 Perhaps you could clear this up for us (Werner), can you summarize
 exactly what has been applied for and what has been approved?
 Also, the way it is written doesn't really say that they have to
 APPLY within a certain period (does it?) but just that they have
 to commence work with a period after APPROVED.

 I'll see what I can dig up. I read it to say it's a priority, permits
 promptly applied for, commence within 6 months, etc.

 Isn't there a lawyer here somewhere? :-) Tom, how about looking at
 that section of the agreement and giving us an analysis? The document
 is in the files section of the group.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files

 Werner







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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tom too has a conflict, our wonder boy works for the Fish.


Tom, clear the air. Do you or don't you? I for one will take you at 
your word.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

[bluebishop82]

Glad to answer you Dan:  I've never had any business dealings with 
Larry or Glen Fishman, MD Sass, Al Fiella (spelling?) Asbury Partners, 
Ansel's office (other than cases against them) or any of the 
subdevelopers. Perhaps Skippy can tell us what he is talking about.

In an attempt to have complete clarity, in the past I set forth my 
total dealings with them outside of business (which Skip recently 
listed himself).  Shortly after the public CAFRA hearing at the 
Paramount I received a call from Larry Fishman, WHOM I HAD NEVER MET 
(Werner can probably recollect when that was). He liked what I said at 
the public portion of the hearing.  He asked me to lunch, we went to 
Frank's and I grabbed the tab.  He met me at my office that day, and 
saw some of my Asbury memorabilia (which I encourage all on this board 
to come see, you'll enjoy it).  He saw a large aerial print I have from 
the 50's, and asked it he could have a copy to submit with his final 
CAFRA permit. I paid for the copy costs.

If anything, I'm up on Larry to the tune of one tuna fish sandwich and 
one copy of a photo.  He has given me nothing.  I'm not complaining - I 
couldn't care less.  The point is I'm in no way beholden to them.

Outside of that I have never had a meeting with Larry or anyone else 
involved (although at the last council meeting Larry told me to give 
him a call and have some lunch. Sounded social not business. I intend 
to call him when I'm not so busy.)

At the last council meeting I saw Skip's eyes widen as he watched me 
walk to Larry's car with him.  If you are interested in knowing what we 
were talking about - I was taking him to task for something I was 
unhappy about. It's all in my column in the current TCN if you want the 
details.  I hide nothing (by the way the emenant domain portion of that 
column might make for an interesting discussion here).

Permit me to say these two things:

First: I find if funny (ha ha funny) and I hope we can all enjoy a 
friendly chuckle together that many on this board think so little of 
this plan that they believe no one could possibly support it unless 
they were getting paid to like it. :-) That's pretty funny and I hope 
we can put down our guards and laugh together for one moment.

Second: I'm pretty used to that kind of allegation from my column. I've 
heard at one point or another about being paid by all of them. I once 
wrote a column about something I disagreed with regarding Georgie's 
Bar.  I was accused of being paid by Shep Pettibone (Paradise) to write 
it. Some other examples are slipping my mind right now but there have 
been others.  Sometimes I'm just accused of not being paid but 
vaguely in cahoots with someone or another on different issues.  

Just to show you that I can't catch a break with these kinds of 
allegations, some folks read my column from 2 weeks ago and accused me 
of suddenly being in cahoots with Councilman Keady. (!) At least on 
that allegation, can I get some love from this group that perhaps some 
people throw the bias card a little too recklessly?





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tom too has a conflict, our wonder boy works for the Fish.
 
 
 Tom, clear the air. Do you or don't you? I for one will take you at 
 your word.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Two candidates running for Assembly (Doherty  Reilly) have set 
 themselves up as the anti-Eminent Domain candidates.

I read that, I thought you meant a new article.





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

[Sharon G. Boone]

Skip,
Don't know who Tom works for, but rumor has it, that someone in City Hall SLEEPS with the Fish! Just the regular dirt going around. Don't know how true it is, so no names, please!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"SkipBernstein\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Tomtoohasaconflict,ourwonderboyworksfortheFish.SkipBernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://JerseyShoreRocks.com-OriginalMessage-From:"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:Sent:Monday,August22,20051:41PMSubject:[AsburyPark]Re:DigestNumber1395---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:IthinkoneofTommy'spointsisthedifficultyofobtainingapprovals.Perhapsyoucouldclearthisupforus(Werner),canyousummarizeexactlywhathasbeenappliedforandwhathasbeenapproved?Also,thewayitiswrittendoesn'treallysaythattheyhavetoAPPLYwithinacertainperiod(doesit?)butjustthattheyhavetocommenceworkwithaperiodafterAPPROVED.I'llseewhatIcandigup.Ireadittosayit'sapriority,permitspromptlyappliedfor,commencewithin6months,etc.Isn'ttherealawyerheresomewhere?:-)Tom,howaboutlookingatthatsectionoftheagreementandgivingusananalysis?Thedocumentisinthefilessectionofthegroup.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/filesWernerYahoo!GroupsLinksYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[Sharon G. Boone]

Looks like the City is getting it from both ends! Funny, these redevelopement, city and school board attorneys take the city for a ride every four years with their atrocious fees, that get the city screwed even more! I know, I worked for the City Attorney, remember? I don't have a clue as to how he represented AP! I know he charged a lot and did very little! I know, it looked like "Night Court", every day. You had to be there.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Howlonghasitbeensincetheappovals?IthinkoneofTommy'spointsisthedifficultyofobtainingapprovals.PerhapsyoucouldclearthisupforusWerber,canyousummarizeexactlywhathasbeenappliedforandwhathasbeenapproved?Also,thewayitiswrittendoesn'treallysaythattheyhavetoAPPLYwithinacertainperiod(doesit?)butjustthattheyhavetocommenceworkwithaperiodafterAPPROVED.Ofcourse,that'swhatweseeastheproblemwiththispoorlywrittenagreement.Itdoesnotprotectthecity.Alladvantageisgiventothedeveloper(sic).Whyyouwouldcontinuetorideahorsethatkeepsthrowingyouisbeyondme.Whatthiscityneedsiscompetentlegarepresentationthatworksinitsbestinterests.Ofcourse,ithastowantthatinthefirstplace.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[Sharon G. Boone]

Werner,
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[Sharon G. Boone]

After the riots of July 1970, a mall was built off the Asbury Circle. It opened around 1975, with the Steinbach Store being the anchor, then Sears moved across 66, from where the IHOP is. The main entrance to Sears was there. The closing of Steinbach's on Cookman sounded the death knell of the "old" downtown. The rest of the stores went to Norwood Ave., in Deal, like Pix Shoes. Nahan's and Fischs's moved to Ocean township on Hwy. 35. Nahan's is still where is moved to. Fisch's went out of business. Bob and Irving's, Pix Shoes, the Army /Navy Store on Main St. are where the new Municiple complex is. By 1975, only the Baronet and one other theatre was open. The Savoy on Mattison, closed! The Press Box restaurant, Rexall's, (Sonny's), Bob and David's, Wolco's, the Record store, Mr. Fashion, and a couple of dime stores, Woolworth's, WTGrants and another,were all that was left. Canadian's at Press Plaza closed shortly after. The small boutiques also moved to upscale Deal or Allenhurst. The Bra and Girdle factory were there through the 80's, then they closed by Kennedy Park. Bergers moved to Seaview Square and Dainty Apparel closed. I was a professional shopper back then, with 5 growing children, so I knew where the clothes, shoes, eyeglasses for my kids and Varsity Jackets were, that they HAD to have! First Communion, Confirmation, Buster Brown and Stride Right Shoes were ALL purchased rith there on Cookman, Ave., THE place to be, until the remaining stores shut down, one by one! I never liked Monmouth Mall, so I'd go to Woodbridge and Staten Island to shop for my kids, thereafter, although there was a Stenbach still in Red Bank. Never cared much for Red Bank. Different attitude there if you're Black. The better stores in North Jersey didn't give a rat's ass, as long as your money was green! I liked that! Shopped at AS, Ohrbach's, Stern's and Macy's. Better stuff! Really good service, too.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:JustafewobservationsfromAsburyRadio'stable-And,theyexpressedsuspicionaboutthecity'sdedicationtorestorethelandmarks,becauseofthecurrentappearanceandthetimethat'sgonebysincetheCitystarteditscomeback.Onecoupleaskedhowthecondoscouldbesellingaswellasreported,preconstruction,whenthesurroundingareastilllookedsobad.Iwasbeginningtothinkwewereonlyintheuniverse,butitappearstohavemadecontactwithotherintelligentlifeforms.Thankgoodnesswearenotaloneafterall.Iseethistemperingofenthusiamasbothgoodandbad.Thegoodisthatitbringssomerationality(andperhapsresponsibility)tothetable,muchlikerationalitycomingbacktothestockmarket.Whilehealthyforthelongrun,somemustbearthepain.Likemostrealestateprofessionalsandlaymanalike,Iamwaitingforthebubbletoburst.JustlastweekIhadDonaldTrumpaskmewhatIthoughtwasgoingtohappeninthemarketplace.Ilookedathimandsaid,"you'reaskingme,you'reDonaldTrump?"Thatisexactlyhowperplexingithasbeen.Justlikeingolfandaswingattheplate,poorfollowthroughcanruinyourgameinrealestate.IhavemyfingerscrossedthatthiswillnothappeninAP,butIhaveseenitbefore.Whenamarketdownturnhits,thoseareasbeinggentrifiedthatarenotsubstantiallycompleted,getshitworseandtakelongertorecover.Whilenooneispredictingasseriousadownturnasoccuredinthelate-1980'stoearly-1990's(doesanyonereallyknowforsure),marketconditionsareerodingaswespeak.Let'sbefrankaboutit.Inadditionto,andinspiteofitsspecialnature,whathasbroughtmosttoAPisitsavailibilityofrelativebargains.Thosebargainsarealreadydissappearing.Ifandwhenthemarketgoesdown,therewillberelativebargainselsewhereformany.Inplaceswithlesscrime,betterschoolsandmoresubstantialandbettermaintainedinfrastructure.WhilethoseareasmaynothavethesamefunkyallureofAP,peoplewillweightheproswiththeconsinmakingadecision.Ifthepriceofthenewcondoscannotbeobtained(andletmetellyouthattherearesomeprettyheadyprojetions),theywillnotgetbuilt,atleastuntilmarketconditionsimprove.Ifcaught(asIamfondofcomparingthecurrentstateofAP'sredevelopmentprocess)withits"pantsdown,"therewillbetheperceptionthattheymaynevergetbuiltandthatitwasanotherfalsestart.Now,ifsubstantialworkhadalreadyprogressedonthepavillionsandhistoricstructures,andotheramenitiesofthegeneralarea,thedownturnwouldbeweathereddifferently.Forgivemeforbeingbluethisweek,itwasjustafullmooninthepastfewdays.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

[David J. Mieras]

Excellent blow by blow Sharon. The only stores I 
can think of that somehow weathered the storm are Carl (Mr. Fashion) 
Felix Fox, the paint store. It's a toss up between Steinbach's  the Asbury 
Park Press regarding the death knell scenario I think. 



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sharon G. 
  Boone 
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:39 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest 
  Number 1395
  After the riots of July 1970, a mall was built off the Asbury 
  Circle. It opened around 1975, with the Steinbach Store being the anchor, then 
  Sears moved across 66, from where the IHOP is. The main entrance to Sears was 
  there. The closing of Steinbach's on Cookman sounded the death knell of the 
  "old" downtown. The rest of the stores went to Norwood Ave., in Deal, like Pix 
  Shoes. Nahan's and Fischs's moved to Ocean township on Hwy. 35. Nahan's is 
  still where is moved to. Fisch's went out of business. Bob and Irving's, Pix 
  Shoes, the Army /Navy Store on Main St. are where the new Municiple complex 
  is. By 1975, only the Baronet and one other theatre was open. The Savoy on 
  Mattison, closed! The Press Box restaurant, Rexall's, (Sonny's), Bob and 
  David's, Wolco's, the Record store, Mr. Fashion, and a couple of dime stores, 
  Woolworth's, WTGrants and another,were all that was left. 
  Canadian's at Press Plaza closed shortly after. The small boutiques also moved 
  to upscale Deal or Allenhurst. The Bra and Girdle factory were there through 
  the 80's, then they closed by Kennedy Park. Bergers moved to Seaview Square 
  and Dainty Apparel closed. I was a professional shopper back then, with 5 
  growing children, so I knew where the clothes, shoes, eyeglasses for my kids 
  and Varsity Jackets were, that they HAD to have! First Communion, 
  Confirmation, Buster Brown and Stride Right Shoes were ALL purchased rith 
  there on Cookman, Ave., THE place to be, until the remaining stores shut down, 
  one by one! I never liked Monmouth Mall, so I'd go to Woodbridge and Staten 
  Island to shop for my kids, thereafter, although there was a Stenbach still in 
  Red Bank. Never cared much for Red Bank. Different attitude there if you're 
  Black. The better stores in North Jersey didn't give a rat's ass, as long as 
  your money was green! I liked that! Shopped at AS, Ohrbach's, Stern's and 
  Macy's. Better stuff! Really good service, 
  too.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  nbsp;wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:JustafewobservationsfromAsburyRadio'stable-And,theyexpressedsuspicionaboutthecity'sdedicationtorestorethelandmarks,becauseofthecurrentappearanceandthetimethat'sgonebysincetheCitystarteditscomeback.Onecoupleaskedhowthecondoscouldbesellingaswellasreported,preconstruction,whenthesurroundingareastilllookedsobad.Iwasbeginningtothinkwewereonlyintheuniverse,butitappearstohavemadecontactwithotherintelligentlifeforms.Thankgoodnesswearenotaloneafterall.Iseethistemperingofenthusiamasbothgoodandbad.Thegoodisthatitbringssomerationality(andperhapsresponsibility)tothetable,muchlikerationalitycomingbacktothestockmarket.Whilehealthyforthelongrun,somemustbearthepain.Likemostrealestateprofessionalsandlaymanalike,Iamwaitingforthebubbletoburst.JustlastweekIhadDonaldTrumpaskmewhatIthoughtwasgoingtohappeninthemarketplace.I 
  lookedathimandsaid,"you'reaskingme,you'reDonaldTrump?"Thatisexactlyhowperplexingithasbeen.Justlikeingolfandaswingattheplate,poorfollowthroughcanruinyourgameinrealestate.IhavemyfingerscrossedthatthiswillnothappeninAP,butIhaveseenitbefore.Whenamarketdownturnhits,thoseareasbeinggentrifiedthatarenotsubstantiallycompleted,getshitworseandtakelongertorecover.Whilenooneispredictingasseriousadownturnasoccuredinthelate-1980'stoearly-1990's(doesanyonereallyknowforsure),marketconditionsareerodingaswespeak.Let'sbefrankaboutit.Inadditionto,andinspiteofitsspecialnature,whathasbroughtmosttoAPisitsavailibilityofrelativebargains.Thosebargainsarealreadydissappearing.Ifandwhenthemarketgoesdown,therewillberelativebargainselsewhereformany.Inplaceswithlesscrime,betterschoolsandmoresubstantialandbettermaintainedinfrastructure.WhilethoseareasmaynothavethesamefunkyallureofAP,peoplewillweigh 
  theproswiththeconsinmakingadecision.Ifthepriceofthenewcondoscannotbeobtained(andletmetellyouthattherearesomeprettyheadyprojetions),theywillnotgetbuilt,atleastuntilmarketconditionsimprove.Ifcaught(asIamfondofcomparingthecurrentstateofAP'sredevelopmentprocess)withits"pantsdown,"therewillbetheperceptionthattheymaynevergetbuiltandthatitwasanotherfalsestart.Now,ifsubstantialworkhadalreadyprogressedonthepavillionsandhistoricstructures,andotheramenitiesofthegeneralarea,thedownturnwouldbeweathereddifferently.Forgivemeforbeingbluethisweek,itwasjustafullmooninthepastfewdays.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--Getfastaccesstoyourf

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

[Skip Bernstein]

Sharon, I don't need names; all 
of the old council, with the exception of John Hamilton, is in bed with the 
Fish. Rumor has it that Tommy's looking for wriggle room to get in on the 
action.
Skip Bernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://JerseyShoreRocks.com
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Sharon G. 
  Boone 
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:32 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest 
  Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict
  
  Skip,
  Don't know who Tom works for, but rumor has it, that someone in City Hall 
  SLEEPS with the Fish! Just the regular dirt going around. Don't know how true 
  it is, so no names, please!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"SkipBernstein\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Tomtoohasaconflict,ourwonderboyworksfortheFish.SkipBernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://JerseyShoreRocks.com-OriginalMessage-From:"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:<ASBURYPARK@YAHOOGROUPS.COM>Sent:Monday,August22,20051:41PMSubject:[AsburyPark]Re:DigestNumber1395---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:IthinkoneofTommy'spointsisthedifficultyofobtainingapprovals.Perhapsyoucouldclearthisupforus(Werner),canyousummarizeexactlywhathasbeenappliedforandwhathasbeenapproved?Also,thewayitiswrittendoesn'treallysaythattheyhavetoAPPLYwithinacertainperiod(doesit?)butjustthattheyhavetocommenceworkwithaperiodafterAPPROVED.I'llseewhatIcandigup.Ireadittosayit'sapriority,permitspromptlyappliedfor,commencewithin6months,etc.Isn'ttherealawyerheresomewhere?:-)Tom,howaboutlookingatthatsectionoftheagreementandgivingusananalysis?Thedocumentisinthefilessectionofthegroup.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/filesWernerYahoo!GroupsLinksYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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