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In reality sports are great for school spirit and pride. Most of us grew up geting our ass kicked on dirt and stone fields or on our street. For grass we headed over to the golf course. Then along came lawyers and artificial turf. As for grades improving grades - well none of us here have any numbers to back it up - maybe an example here and there. It comes down to not how well you play on the field - but how well you behave, learn and study. Like a playbook - for many it MIGHT be a way into college or staying out of trouble - but for 99.99 percent - the sport will not be their career. It's the books and learning how to read, study, write and present yourself in the real world. No coach, no catering to. For those that want to take some time and apply science, there are many studies out there with regards to sports and academics. Hope they keep the field up. If it works for x number of kids per year, then good. Old NY TIME article: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/16/sports/athletics-playing-sports-dosen-t-lift-grades-study-finds.html Although participating in high school athletics tends to keep student-athletes in school, leads them to participate in other extracurricular activities and makes them feel more popular than nonathletes, it has virtually no immediate effect on academic achievement for most minority-group students. And it has even less impact on their later success in college and the work force. Those were among the key findings of an extensive statistical study released yesterday in Manhattan by the Women's Sports Foundation. The study, ''Minorities in Sports,'' which was funded by Miller Lite, represented a detailed statistical analysis of data gathered by the United States Department of Education in a broader study, ''High School and Beyond.'' That study started with a representative national sample of 30,000 high school sophomores in 1980 and tracked them for six years. The new study focused on 18 groups, the various combinations of three racial designations (black, white and Hispanic), three geographic settings (urban, suburban and rural) and the two sexes. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The ones who play sports get good grades, without those sports, their grades would suffer, this makes sense Take away football from APHS and you'll have 22 less kids graduating, that's how it makes sense You never played sports growing up huh? Thank you, C. Brian Watkins cbrianwatk...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 00:49:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: How others see Asbury Park Thanks, If that is the case, why are the students doing so poorly if they are so involved in sports ? Why are they allowed to play ? To your comment about 'Inner City/crime ridden/low scored schools'... If sports is so positive why are they that why. Your assertions do not make sense. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: State laws mandate that student athletes maintain an above passing grade to play sportsyou don't pass, you don't play Take the time to do the research on Inner City/crime ridden/low scored schools and how athletics play a role, you'll be surprised how positive it is Thank you, C. Brian Watkins cbrianwatkins@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks, If that is the case, why are the students doing so poorly if they are so involved in sports ? Why are they allowed to play ? To your comment about 'Inner City/crime ridden/low scored schools'... If sports is so positive why are they that why. Your assertions do not make sense. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: State laws mandate that student athletes maintain an above passing grade to play sportsyou don't pass, you don't play Take the time to do the research on Inner City/crime ridden/low scored schools and how athletics play a role, you'll be surprised how positive it is Thank you, C. Brian Watkins cbrianwatkins@... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Is participation in athletics contingent upon maintaining a set standard of academic performance ? I would think that is the case - sports should be a reward for good grades. However I cant help but wonder how the sports performance can be so good and the academic performance so bad... perhaps there is no such requirement ? If that is the case - then that is the root of the problem - Astro-Turf, Blue Paint and a (bastardized) historic stadium is not the solution. My vision - CLOSE THE HIGH SHOOL - send the students to adjacent high schools. Re-open the building as a Regional Vocational Education Center.. Automotive, Building Trades, Culinary (already exists), Arts, Law, Sports, Business etc. This would be a magnet location for all of Monmouth County and the 'reward' for performing well at local High Schools. The State $$$ currently being spent would be put to better use in this direction. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Educating for Justice jim@... wrote: Werner, Thanks for posting the article about the football field. I just posted a response on the APP website to those who were critical of this project. Here is what I wrote ### Let me preface my comments by saying that I am a former City Councilman in Asbury Park and that I coached for one season at the high school. For people who do not live in Asbury Park and do not work with the kids in the city, I think it is difficult to grasp how little leverage teachers and community leaders have over kids here. Basically, many of the kids in town feel they have nothing to lose, thus the poor graduation rates, crime, gangs, etc. To turn this tide, that leverage has to be created. Now, some might say, it has to start with the families. If this is your response, I would say that you are very much out of touch with the reality that we face. Too many families here are horrifically dysfunctional at best (i.e. this is not a starting point). So, why does having a good athletic facility make sense to address the broader social and economic concerns that have been raised by critics here? 1. You create a first class football program and now the kids have a shot at something through football - college. They do not want to lose this. They love the game. The game can carry them beyond Asbury Park. They now have something to lose - thus, we adults have leverage. Go to class, get good grades, don't get arrested, etc. This all starts to make sense to them when they have something to lose. 2. You keep those good athletes engaged and passing their classes, now they are eligible for other sports - basketball, wrestling, baseball. Now you have them locked into positive activities year-round. Keeps them off the streets. 3. These kids are natural leaders. They are either going to lead in something positive or something negative. Once they start leading in the positive stuff, the other kids will follow, now you start to build real momentum and you have a shot at turning the ship around. So, while a $700k outlay for a field may seem like a lot at first glance, it must be seen as an investment in turning around decades of crime, failure and neglect. Would you rather spend the $700k up front with a plan in place like the above or would you rather keep the cycle going and pay $50-100k per year per kid to have them locked up at Jamesburg? I could go on with the positive potential of this facility and will if asked, but I think readers should get a sense of why this is a very good thing for the AP community and for state taxpayers that are underwriting much of the school and municipal budgets in Asbury Park. I, like many others, want AP to become fiscally self-sufficient, this field, as strange as it may seem, can be a catalyst to move the city in that direction. Peace, Jim Keady ### -- Jim Keady, Director Educating for Justice, Inc. jim@... 732.988.7322 www.educatingforjustice.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Brian, I second that motion. If Asbury Park closes its' high school where will they go? Asbury can't get anywhere with a State monitor affecting everything the school board does/don't do! The grade schools are excellent but when the kids hit the Middle and High School peer pressure sets in. You're either with the in People or you're bullied. It's been 50 years since high school for me but I was privately educated so I can't speak to what's happening in Asbury schools. I think it's a sin to miseducate children. Maybe we need Michelle Obama to come to AP and shake everything up! Jim Keady is a walking Saint in my eyes, but he makes too much sense for telling the truth about AP. That makes him persona non grata here and thank God for Werner who has been persecuted, harassed and arrested because he too, tells the truth and the Truth hurts! Werner too, is referred to as former historian which he knows that the developers since Carabetta to Asbury Partners have almost eradicated the historical Asbury Park. God Bless you Brian! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: That label former city councilman makes me scratch my head EVERYTIME. We need you back in AP as current councilman Thank you, C. Brian Watkins cbrianwatkins@... -Original Message- From: Educating for Justice jim@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:31:28 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: How others see Asbury Park Werner, Thanks for posting the article about the football field. I just posted a response on the APP website to those who were critical of this project. Here is what I wrote ### Let me preface my comments by saying that I am a former City Councilman in Asbury Park and that I coached for one season at the high school. For people who do not live in Asbury Park and do not work with the kids in the city, I think it is difficult to grasp how little leverage teachers and community leaders have over kids here. Basically, many of the kids in town feel they have nothing to lose, thus the poor graduation rates, crime, gangs, etc. To turn this tide, that leverage has to be created. Now, some might say, it has to start with the families. If this is your response, I would say that you are very much out of touch with the reality that we face. Too many families here are horrifically dysfunctional at best (i.e. this is not a starting point). So, why does having a good athletic facility make sense to address the broader social and economic concerns that have been raised by critics here? 1. You create a first class football program and now the kids have a shot at something through football - college. They do not want to lose this. They love the game. The game can carry them beyond Asbury Park. They now have something to lose - thus, we adults have leverage. Go to class, get good grades, don't get arrested, etc. This all starts to make sense to them when they have something to lose. 2. You keep those good athletes engaged and passing their classes, now they are eligible for other sports - basketball, wrestling, baseball. Now you have them locked into positive activities year-round. Keeps them off the streets. 3. These kids are natural leaders. They are either going to lead in something positive or something negative. Once they start leading in the positive stuff, the other kids will follow, now you start to build real momentum and you have a shot at turning the ship around. So, while a $700k outlay for a field may seem like a lot at first glance, it must be seen as an investment in turning around decades of crime, failure and neglect. Would you rather spend the $700k up front with a plan in place like the above or would you rather keep the cycle going and pay $50-100k per year per kid to have them locked up at Jamesburg? I could go on with the positive potential of this facility and will if asked, but I think readers should get a sense of why this is a very good thing for the AP community and for state taxpayers that are underwriting much of the school and municipal budgets in Asbury Park. I, like many others, want AP to become fiscally self-sufficient, this field, as strange as it may seem, can be a catalyst to move the city in that direction. Peace, Jim Keady ### -- Jim Keady, Director Educating for Justice, Inc. jim@... 732.988.7322 www.educatingforjustice.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http
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State laws mandate that student athletes maintain an above passing grade to play sportsyou don't pass, you don't play Take the time to do the research on Inner City/crime ridden/low scored schools and how athletics play a role, you'll be surprised how positive it is Thank you, C. Brian Watkins cbrianwatk...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:39:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: How others see Asbury Park Is participation in athletics contingent upon maintaining a set standard of academic performance ? I would think that is the case - sports should be a reward for good grades. However I cant help but wonder how the sports performance can be so good and the academic performance so bad... perhaps there is no such requirement ? If that is the case - then that is the root of the problem - Astro-Turf, Blue Paint and a (bastardized) historic stadium is not the solution. My vision - CLOSE THE HIGH SHOOL - send the students to adjacent high schools. Re-open the building as a Regional Vocational Education Center.. Automotive, Building Trades, Culinary (already exists), Arts, Law, Sports, Business etc. This would be a magnet location for all of Monmouth County and the 'reward' for performing well at local High Schools. The State $$$ currently being spent would be put to better use in this direction. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Educating for Justice jim@... wrote: Werner, Thanks for posting the article about the football field. I just posted a response on the APP website to those who were critical of this project. Here is what I wrote ### Let me preface my comments by saying that I am a former City Councilman in Asbury Park and that I coached for one season at the high school. For people who do not live in Asbury Park and do not work with the kids in the city, I think it is difficult to grasp how little leverage teachers and community leaders have over kids here. Basically, many of the kids in town feel they have nothing to lose, thus the poor graduation rates, crime, gangs, etc. To turn this tide, that leverage has to be created. Now, some might say, it has to start with the families. If this is your response, I would say that you are very much out of touch with the reality that we face. Too many families here are horrifically dysfunctional at best (i.e. this is not a starting point). So, why does having a good athletic facility make sense to address the broader social and economic concerns that have been raised by critics here? 1. You create a first class football program and now the kids have a shot at something through football - college. They do not want to lose this. They love the game. The game can carry them beyond Asbury Park. They now have something to lose - thus, we adults have leverage. Go to class, get good grades, don't get arrested, etc. This all starts to make sense to them when they have something to lose. 2. You keep those good athletes engaged and passing their classes, now they are eligible for other sports - basketball, wrestling, baseball. Now you have them locked into positive activities year-round. Keeps them off the streets. 3. These kids are natural leaders. They are either going to lead in something positive or something negative. Once they start leading in the positive stuff, the other kids will follow, now you start to build real momentum and you have a shot at turning the ship around. So, while a $700k outlay for a field may seem like a lot at first glance, it must be seen as an investment in turning around decades of crime, failure and neglect. Would you rather spend the $700k up front with a plan in place like the above or would you rather keep the cycle going and pay $50-100k per year per kid to have them locked up at Jamesburg? I could go on with the positive potential of this facility and will if asked, but I think readers should get a sense of why this is a very good thing for the AP community and for state taxpayers that are underwriting much of the school and municipal budgets in Asbury Park. I, like many others, want AP to become fiscally self-sufficient, this field, as strange as it may seem, can be a catalyst to move the city in that direction. Peace, Jim Keady ### -- Jim Keady, Director Educating for Justice, Inc. jim@... 732.988.7322 www.educatingforjustice.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com
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That label former city councilman makes me scratch my head EVERYTIME. We need you back in AP as current councilman Thank you, C. Brian Watkins cbrianwatk...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Educating for Justice j...@educatingforjustice.org Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:31:28 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: How others see Asbury Park Werner, Thanks for posting the article about the football field. I just posted a response on the APP website to those who were critical of this project. Here is what I wrote ### Let me preface my comments by saying that I am a former City Councilman in Asbury Park and that I coached for one season at the high school. For people who do not live in Asbury Park and do not work with the kids in the city, I think it is difficult to grasp how little leverage teachers and community leaders have over kids here. Basically, many of the kids in town feel they have nothing to lose, thus the poor graduation rates, crime, gangs, etc. To turn this tide, that leverage has to be created. Now, some might say, it has to start with the families. If this is your response, I would say that you are very much out of touch with the reality that we face. Too many families here are horrifically dysfunctional at best (i.e. this is not a starting point). So, why does having a good athletic facility make sense to address the broader social and economic concerns that have been raised by critics here? 1. You create a first class football program and now the kids have a shot at something through football - college. They do not want to lose this. They love the game. The game can carry them beyond Asbury Park. They now have something to lose - thus, we adults have leverage. Go to class, get good grades, don't get arrested, etc. This all starts to make sense to them when they have something to lose. 2. You keep those good athletes engaged and passing their classes, now they are eligible for other sports - basketball, wrestling, baseball. Now you have them locked into positive activities year-round. Keeps them off the streets. 3. These kids are natural leaders. They are either going to lead in something positive or something negative. Once they start leading in the positive stuff, the other kids will follow, now you start to build real momentum and you have a shot at turning the ship around. So, while a $700k outlay for a field may seem like a lot at first glance, it must be seen as an investment in turning around decades of crime, failure and neglect. Would you rather spend the $700k up front with a plan in place like the above or would you rather keep the cycle going and pay $50-100k per year per kid to have them locked up at Jamesburg? I could go on with the positive potential of this facility and will if asked, but I think readers should get a sense of why this is a very good thing for the AP community and for state taxpayers that are underwriting much of the school and municipal budgets in Asbury Park. I, like many others, want AP to become fiscally self-sufficient, this field, as strange as it may seem, can be a catalyst to move the city in that direction. Peace, Jim Keady ### -- Jim Keady, Director Educating for Justice, Inc. j...@educatingforjustice.org 732.988.7322 www.educatingforjustice.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
