[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Ok, I hear you. Keady has never condemned the acts of Karenga. I don't really care about Councilman Keady's personal opinions on Columbus day or Kwanzaa. I care that as a councilman he treats them with fairness and a sense of responsibility to the city. Given what he has posted here, that seems to be the case. I have never seen Keady bash Columbus day from the dais. Perhaps it is not wise for councilmen to meld their personal passions with duties as an elected official. As a voter, his attention to transparency and communication with the community trumps that lack of wisdom. I understand your gripe and I don't think its that way off. I just don't share your personal offense and it really seems you have a personal issue with Keady. Lets move on, we are boring Juicy Jen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Tommy you are impossible. Keady isn't unsupportive of columbus day or kwanzaa...he is against the use of public funds for both events. Totally understandable given that the city is broke. Gabbi words mean things. If you are going to comment on what I write, please read it first. I said that He is unsupportive of the City's Columbus and Kwanaa celebrations. Not in general, the City's celebration. That's what he opposes. That's His position, and you can't change that. That being said, he actually does oppose Columbus Celebrations in general, evidenced by his past vitriolic attacks on the celebration in public, not printed here. He wants Columbus celebrations infused with bad stories of Columbus. He does not similarly insist those who celebrate Kwanzaa infuse their ceremonies with terrible crimes of Karenga. That is His hyporcrisy which I've repeated over and over that neither He nor you nor any other of His supporters will comment on. Now go ahead and reply without again commenting on that differing treatment by Him of the two groups. Comment on something else so you don't have to face that he's wrong. I'll just cite it again after that, and you can ignore it again and 'll ask you again and you'll ignore it again and it will never end. Let's not do that. Go talk about a private property owner who lights up his own hotel. It's more important than a biased councilman. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy you are impossible. Keady isn't unsupportive of columbus day or kwanzaa...he is against the use of public funds for both events. Totally understandable given that the city is broke. Gabbi words mean things. If you are going to comment on what I write, please read it first. I said that He is unsupportive of the City's Columbus and Kwanaa celebrations. Not in general, the City's celebration. That's what he opposes. That's His position, and you can't change that. That being said, he actually does oppose Columbus Celebrations in general, evidenced by his past vitriolic attacks on the celebration in public, not printed here. He wants Columbus celebrations infused with bad stories of Columbus. He does not similarly insist those who celebrate Kwanzaa infuse their ceremonies with terrible crimes of Karenga. That is His hyporcrisy which I've repeated over and over that neither He nor you nor any other of His supporters will comment on. Now go ahead and reply without again commenting on that differing treatment by Him of the two groups. Comment on something else so you don't have to face that he's wrong. I'll just cite it again after that, and you can ignore it again and 'll ask you again and you'll ignore it again and it will never end. Let's not do that. Go talk about a private property owner who lights up his own hotel. It's more important than a biased councilman. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Tommy, I'm from Missouri; Show me where I said that! I don't really care if you or Jim are for, or against it, so don't print that I am against you. Clearly I'm not! I celebrate Kwanzaa, whether anyone is for or against it. Let's switch to whether the people of Asbury Park are entitled to know what our taxes are being spent on. You know, the Budget? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: why aren't you haranguing the other councilmen about the city's support of kwanzaa or the idiotic refusal to use the word Christmas? Gabbi, why do you and Sharon keep making this mistake? I'M THE ONE THAT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S KWANZAA CELEBRATION! IT'S KEADY WHO DOESN'T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Military retirees, were hoping to use this housing. I had friends living there, while on duty and these places were top shelf and in mint condition! On the Post itself, there are brick homes built in the 30's and 40's, fully rehabilitated and are for officers only, but with the BRAC, the jobs are hopelessly going to Maryland. (Aberdeen Proving Ground). The CECOM building across from the HEX cost millions of dollars, built during the Reagan Administration in 1981 is scheduled for demolishing. Your tax dollars at work! When they close the Fort, I'll have to shop at Ft. Dix or the tiny stores in Lakehurst. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: it's a crime that there's a whole, abandoned community there. Ft. Monmouth also demolished acres of viable housing near Tinton Falls. Makes no sense at all. It made sense. They were fearful what might move in or happen to those units. They were hoping (or are) that they would new homes, offices, parks and SOME affordable homes vs. low income or apartments etc. Not to say some builders are still able to buy land and hold it for later use. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? No. Are they restoring your 401ks? No. Are they restoring any other safe investments you may have made? No. It's survival mode. It'll do no good for now to have these mismanaged companies all go under, which they are now. The market got what some experts were saying for two or more years, take the cash and stick it under a mattress. So you think Kushner was stupid for getting out when he did? Look at Hov down under $3. Remember the sale of the century not so long ago. You'd think their stock would. Boring and they're floating alot of funny money now. Wow. Look at the market close. Can't go any lower, can it? So are there buys TODAY? IF you have a couple free $ - what should you do? Look at North Beach. Are prices getting lower? Will Madison M keep their pricing on Wesley? Are these buying opportunities or not? Who is gogin to give you money if there are 40 other units of similiar style available?? And oif they go rentals, that means they get CO's and tax money comes in. Should AP offer abatements to spur some sales downtown?? Some tax vs no tax? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Jack what the hell are you talking about? This column is about the topic Oak and Mario and Jennifer and others have been discussing all day. Your prejudice against me is showing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read it. But it's in the wrong group forum. It should be in politics, just as the moderator said. Political discussions shouldn't be here after Wed. It's Wed. Now, I'm sure Tommy will argue that this relates to AP, but the article doesn't demonstrate a connection to AP. And Tommy, if you are so against the political group, because you think there will be censorship, then I'll make you an admin. How does that sound. Please spare this group from endless discussions that have nothing to do with AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? By Liz Peek Financial Columnist Treasury Secretary Paulson held a press conference today to explain why his department has shifted the focus of the TARP program from buying distressed assets to injecting capital into banks. Financial Meltdown He emphasized that the goals of the program - to stabilize the financial system and spur lending - have not changed. However, in response to shifting events and the threat of potential systemic disruption from bank failures, Paulson and his team deemed direct capital infusions a more effective prop to the economy. Going forward, Paulson emphasized that his three objectives were strengthening the capital base of the financial system, shoring up the asset-backed securities market (which is key to lending in numerous consumer sectors) and working to mitigate mortgage foreclosures. As to the latter, Paulson pointed to the FDIC's proposed loan modification metrics used at IndyMac as a guidepost to similar efforts. He called the agreement reached yesterday with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extraordinary progress in attempting to limit mortgage foreclosures. He said, I have been working to avoid preventable foreclosures for some time and had reviewed innumerable proposals aimed at keeping people in their homes, but that mortgage modifications were extremely complicated. As to the outlook, Paulson described the economy's road ahead as full of challenges. Questioned about the outlook for the Big Three automakers, clearly one of those `challenges,' Paulson described the auto industry as critical, and the administration as supportive of manufacturing. He declined to promise a bailout of the Big Three, however, and repeated the administration's view that the solution has to lead to long-term viability for the industry. Mr. Paulson said that there was no timetable for the Treasury to ask Congress for the second half of the original $700 billion TARP plan and also confirmed that the $700 billion in funds available should be adequate. The Dow was off over 250 points as Paulson spoke. The secretary's comments are unlikely to alleviate investor concerns about the length or depth of the economic downturn, since the numerous federal programs that have already been initiated have barely taken effect. Also, the Treasury's flip-flop on the use of TARP funds confirms the reality that Paulson and his team are navigating uncharted waters - and may not have the answers that investors so desperately crave. With the global economy weakening by the day, and with financial bailouts in countries like Iceland seemingly under stress, the capital markets continue to struggle. One discouraging sign is that spreads on speculative and investment grade debt have narrowed only a fraction from 5 year highs hit on November 4. That is the equivalent, in debt markets, of voting with your feet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Oh snap!!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack what the hell are you talking about? This column is about the topic Oak and Mario and Jennifer and others have been discussing all day. Your prejudice against me is showing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Read it. But it's in the wrong group forum. It should be in politics, just as the moderator said. Political discussions shouldn't be here after Wed. It's Wed. Now, I'm sure Tommy will argue that this relates to AP, but the article doesn't demonstrate a connection to AP. And Tommy, if you are so against the political group, because you think there will be censorship, then I'll make you an admin. How does that sound. Please spare this group from endless discussions that have nothing to do with AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? By Liz Peek Financial Columnist Treasury Secretary Paulson held a press conference today to explain why his department has shifted the focus of the TARP program from buying distressed assets to injecting capital into banks. Financial Meltdown He emphasized that the goals of the program - to stabilize the financial system and spur lending - have not changed. However, in response to shifting events and the threat of potential systemic disruption from bank failures, Paulson and his team deemed direct capital infusions a more effective prop to the economy. Going forward, Paulson emphasized that his three objectives were strengthening the capital base of the financial system, shoring up the asset-backed securities market (which is key to lending in numerous consumer sectors) and working to mitigate mortgage foreclosures. As to the latter, Paulson pointed to the FDIC's proposed loan modification metrics used at IndyMac as a guidepost to similar efforts. He called the agreement reached yesterday with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extraordinary progress in attempting to limit mortgage foreclosures. He said, I have been working to avoid preventable foreclosures for some time and had reviewed innumerable proposals aimed at keeping people in their homes, but that mortgage modifications were extremely complicated. As to the outlook, Paulson described the economy's road ahead as full of challenges. Questioned about the outlook for the Big Three automakers, clearly one of those `challenges,' Paulson described the auto industry as critical, and the administration as supportive of manufacturing. He declined to promise a bailout of the Big Three, however, and repeated the administration's view that the solution has to lead to long-term viability for the industry. Mr. Paulson said that there was no timetable for the Treasury to ask Congress for the second half of the original $700 billion TARP plan and also confirmed that the $700 billion in funds available should be adequate. The Dow was off over 250 points as Paulson spoke. The secretary's comments are unlikely to alleviate investor concerns about the length or depth of the economic downturn, since the numerous federal programs that have already been initiated have barely taken effect. Also, the Treasury's flip-flop on the use of TARP funds confirms the reality that Paulson and his team are navigating uncharted waters - and may not have the answers that investors so desperately crave. With the global economy weakening by the day, and with financial bailouts in countries like Iceland seemingly under stress, the capital markets continue to struggle. One discouraging sign is that spreads on speculative and investment grade debt have narrowed only a fraction from 5 year highs hit on November 4. That is the equivalent, in debt markets, of voting with your feet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Your prejudice against him IS showing Jack, fortunately for you, Tommy's prejudice against Keady is flying like a huge red flag. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack what the hell are you talking about? This column is about the topic Oak and Mario and Jennifer and others have been discussing all day. Your prejudice against me is showing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Read it. But it's in the wrong group forum. It should be in politics, just as the moderator said. Political discussions shouldn't be here after Wed. It's Wed. Now, I'm sure Tommy will argue that this relates to AP, but the article doesn't demonstrate a connection to AP. And Tommy, if you are so against the political group, because you think there will be censorship, then I'll make you an admin. How does that sound. Please spare this group from endless discussions that have nothing to do with AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? By Liz Peek Financial Columnist Treasury Secretary Paulson held a press conference today to explain why his department has shifted the focus of the TARP program from buying distressed assets to injecting capital into banks. Financial Meltdown He emphasized that the goals of the program - to stabilize the financial system and spur lending - have not changed. However, in response to shifting events and the threat of potential systemic disruption from bank failures, Paulson and his team deemed direct capital infusions a more effective prop to the economy. Going forward, Paulson emphasized that his three objectives were strengthening the capital base of the financial system, shoring up the asset-backed securities market (which is key to lending in numerous consumer sectors) and working to mitigate mortgage foreclosures. As to the latter, Paulson pointed to the FDIC's proposed loan modification metrics used at IndyMac as a guidepost to similar efforts. He called the agreement reached yesterday with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extraordinary progress in attempting to limit mortgage foreclosures. He said, I have been working to avoid preventable foreclosures for some time and had reviewed innumerable proposals aimed at keeping people in their homes, but that mortgage modifications were extremely complicated. As to the outlook, Paulson described the economy's road ahead as full of challenges. Questioned about the outlook for the Big Three automakers, clearly one of those `challenges,' Paulson described the auto industry as critical, and the administration as supportive of manufacturing. He declined to promise a bailout of the Big Three, however, and repeated the administration's view that the solution has to lead to long-term viability for the industry. Mr. Paulson said that there was no timetable for the Treasury to ask Congress for the second half of the original $700 billion TARP plan and also confirmed that the $700 billion in funds available should be adequate. The Dow was off over 250 points as Paulson spoke. The secretary's comments are unlikely to alleviate investor concerns about the length or depth of the economic downturn, since the numerous federal programs that have already been initiated have barely taken effect. Also, the Treasury's flip-flop on the use of TARP funds confirms the reality that Paulson and his team are navigating uncharted waters - and may not have the answers that investors so desperately crave. With the global economy weakening by the day, and with financial bailouts in countries like Iceland seemingly under stress, the capital markets continue to struggle. One discouraging sign is that spreads on speculative and investment grade debt have narrowed only a fraction from 5 year highs hit on November 4. That is the equivalent, in debt markets, of voting with your feet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Read it. But it's in the wrong group forum. It should be in politics, just as the moderator said. Political discussions shouldn't be here after Wed. It's Wed. Now, I'm sure Tommy will argue that this relates to AP, but the article doesn't demonstrate a connection to AP. And Tommy, if you are so against the political group, because you think there will be censorship, then I'll make you an admin. How does that sound. Please spare this group from endless discussions that have nothing to do with AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? By Liz Peek Financial Columnist Treasury Secretary Paulson held a press conference today to explain why his department has shifted the focus of the TARP program from buying distressed assets to injecting capital into banks. Financial Meltdown He emphasized that the goals of the program - to stabilize the financial system and spur lending - have not changed. However, in response to shifting events and the threat of potential systemic disruption from bank failures, Paulson and his team deemed direct capital infusions a more effective prop to the economy. Going forward, Paulson emphasized that his three objectives were strengthening the capital base of the financial system, shoring up the asset-backed securities market (which is key to lending in numerous consumer sectors) and working to mitigate mortgage foreclosures. As to the latter, Paulson pointed to the FDIC's proposed loan modification metrics used at IndyMac as a guidepost to similar efforts. He called the agreement reached yesterday with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extraordinary progress in attempting to limit mortgage foreclosures. He said, I have been working to avoid preventable foreclosures for some time and had reviewed innumerable proposals aimed at keeping people in their homes, but that mortgage modifications were extremely complicated. As to the outlook, Paulson described the economy's road ahead as full of challenges. Questioned about the outlook for the Big Three automakers, clearly one of those `challenges,' Paulson described the auto industry as critical, and the administration as supportive of manufacturing. He declined to promise a bailout of the Big Three, however, and repeated the administration's view that the solution has to lead to long-term viability for the industry. Mr. Paulson said that there was no timetable for the Treasury to ask Congress for the second half of the original $700 billion TARP plan and also confirmed that the $700 billion in funds available should be adequate. The Dow was off over 250 points as Paulson spoke. The secretary's comments are unlikely to alleviate investor concerns about the length or depth of the economic downturn, since the numerous federal programs that have already been initiated have barely taken effect. Also, the Treasury's flip-flop on the use of TARP funds confirms the reality that Paulson and his team are navigating uncharted waters - and may not have the answers that investors so desperately crave. With the global economy weakening by the day, and with financial bailouts in countries like Iceland seemingly under stress, the capital markets continue to struggle. One discouraging sign is that spreads on speculative and investment grade debt have narrowed only a fraction from 5 year highs hit on November 4. That is the equivalent, in debt markets, of voting with your feet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
It's actually not prejudice. You have a tendency to plant discussions that you know are going to go on, and on and on, because you tend to rile people up. So, for a few years now, a bunch of us would occasionally try and steer this ship on topic, the topic being Asbury Park. So, I created a political forum, for AP people like you and I to discuss politics, and it's been pretty lively...but you refuse to join, because you think you'll be censored, but you won't. I only made one rule, two parts, no racism, no threats...but no, you won't go there, and I theorize that you like the attention of more then 400 members rather then the 17 we now have participating in Politics. There may be hope for a new way to look at our groups. Yahoo is beta testing a thing called Grouplets, which I'm hoping will let this Yahoo groups thing act more like a message board, with a large group filled with sub topics. That would rock. Sorry if I pissed you off. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack what the hell are you talking about? This column is about the topic Oak and Mario and Jennifer and others have been discussing all day. Your prejudice against me is showing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Read it. But it's in the wrong group forum. It should be in politics, just as the moderator said. Political discussions shouldn't be here after Wed. It's Wed. Now, I'm sure Tommy will argue that this relates to AP, but the article doesn't demonstrate a connection to AP. And Tommy, if you are so against the political group, because you think there will be censorship, then I'll make you an admin. How does that sound. Please spare this group from endless discussions that have nothing to do with AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? By Liz Peek Financial Columnist Treasury Secretary Paulson held a press conference today to explain why his department has shifted the focus of the TARP program from buying distressed assets to injecting capital into banks. Financial Meltdown He emphasized that the goals of the program - to stabilize the financial system and spur lending - have not changed. However, in response to shifting events and the threat of potential systemic disruption from bank failures, Paulson and his team deemed direct capital infusions a more effective prop to the economy. Going forward, Paulson emphasized that his three objectives were strengthening the capital base of the financial system, shoring up the asset-backed securities market (which is key to lending in numerous consumer sectors) and working to mitigate mortgage foreclosures. As to the latter, Paulson pointed to the FDIC's proposed loan modification metrics used at IndyMac as a guidepost to similar efforts. He called the agreement reached yesterday with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extraordinary progress in attempting to limit mortgage foreclosures. He said, I have been working to avoid preventable foreclosures for some time and had reviewed innumerable proposals aimed at keeping people in their homes, but that mortgage modifications were extremely complicated. As to the outlook, Paulson described the economy's road ahead as full of challenges. Questioned about the outlook for the Big Three automakers, clearly one of those `challenges,' Paulson described the auto industry as critical, and the administration as supportive of manufacturing. He declined to promise a bailout of the Big Three, however, and repeated the administration's view that the solution has to lead to long-term viability for the industry. Mr. Paulson said that there was no timetable for the Treasury to ask Congress for the second half of the original $700 billion TARP plan and also confirmed that the $700 billion in funds available should be adequate. The Dow was off over 250 points as Paulson spoke. The secretary's comments are unlikely to alleviate investor concerns about the length or depth of the economic downturn, since the numerous federal programs that have already been initiated have barely taken effect. Also, the Treasury's flip-flop on the use of TARP funds confirms the reality that Paulson and his team are navigating uncharted waters - and may not have the answers that investors so desperately crave. With the global economy weakening by the day, and with financial bailouts in countries like Iceland seemingly under stress, the capital markets continue to struggle. One discouraging sign is that spreads on speculative and investment grade debt have narrowed only a fraction from 5 year highs hit on November 4. That is the equivalent, in debt markets, of voting with your
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Jack please address this question: Why is it that Oak and Mario and Jennifer posted on this topic all day, and you said nothing. I posted on it, and you jumped on me. Why the varied treatment? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's actually not prejudice. You have a tendency to plant discussions that you know are going to go on, and on and on, because you tend to rile people up. So, for a few years now, a bunch of us would occasionally try and steer this ship on topic, the topic being Asbury Park. So, I created a political forum, for AP people like you and I to discuss politics, and it's been pretty lively...but you refuse to join, because you think you'll be censored, but you won't. I only made one rule, two parts, no racism, no threats...but no, you won't go there, and I theorize that you like the attention of more then 400 members rather then the 17 we now have participating in Politics. There may be hope for a new way to look at our groups. Yahoo is beta testing a thing called Grouplets, which I'm hoping will let this Yahoo groups thing act more like a message board, with a large group filled with sub topics. That would rock. Sorry if I pissed you off. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack what the hell are you talking about? This column is about the topic Oak and Mario and Jennifer and others have been discussing all day. Your prejudice against me is showing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Read it. But it's in the wrong group forum. It should be in politics, just as the moderator said. Political discussions shouldn't be here after Wed. It's Wed. Now, I'm sure Tommy will argue that this relates to AP, but the article doesn't demonstrate a connection to AP. And Tommy, if you are so against the political group, because you think there will be censorship, then I'll make you an admin. How does that sound. Please spare this group from endless discussions that have nothing to do with AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? By Liz Peek Financial Columnist Treasury Secretary Paulson held a press conference today to explain why his department has shifted the focus of the TARP program from buying distressed assets to injecting capital into banks. Financial Meltdown He emphasized that the goals of the program - to stabilize the financial system and spur lending - have not changed. However, in response to shifting events and the threat of potential systemic disruption from bank failures, Paulson and his team deemed direct capital infusions a more effective prop to the economy. Going forward, Paulson emphasized that his three objectives were strengthening the capital base of the financial system, shoring up the asset-backed securities market (which is key to lending in numerous consumer sectors) and working to mitigate mortgage foreclosures. As to the latter, Paulson pointed to the FDIC's proposed loan modification metrics used at IndyMac as a guidepost to similar efforts. He called the agreement reached yesterday with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extraordinary progress in attempting to limit mortgage foreclosures. He said, I have been working to avoid preventable foreclosures for some time and had reviewed innumerable proposals aimed at keeping people in their homes, but that mortgage modifications were extremely complicated. As to the outlook, Paulson described the economy's road ahead as full of challenges. Questioned about the outlook for the Big Three automakers, clearly one of those `challenges,' Paulson described the auto industry as critical, and the administration as supportive of manufacturing. He declined to promise a bailout of the Big Three, however, and repeated the administration's view that the solution has to lead to long-term viability for the industry. Mr. Paulson said that there was no timetable for the Treasury to ask Congress for the second half of the original $700 billion TARP plan and also confirmed that the $700 billion in funds available should be adequate. The Dow was off over 250 points as Paulson spoke. The secretary's comments are unlikely to alleviate investor concerns about the length or depth of the economic downturn, since the numerous federal programs that have already been initiated have barely taken effect. Also, the Treasury's flip-flop on the use of TARP funds confirms the reality that Paulson and his team are navigating uncharted waters - and may not have the answers that investors so desperately crave. With the global economy
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
I think you are confusing insulting cultural traditions with having an opinion about them. That's 2 separate things. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Your prejudice against him IS showing Jack, fortunately for you, Tommy's prejudice against Keady is flying like a huge red flag. Me prejudice against Him Gabbi? Wow. The guy takes the time every year to insult my cultural traditions, call me at home and curses at me when I object, then he fails to treat other cultures the same way. Where in all that did you get that I'm prejudiced against him? Are you another who is going to make conclusions about me, without analyzing the issue of his varied treatment of Columbus day and Kwanzaa? From you I expected better. I expected something on the issue. I guess you can't be a Keady Apostle. I guess I'll dub you Mary Magdelene. Not an apostle but at least a desciple. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The varied treatment of the cultures is the insult. Don't address that varied treatment, Jack. What ever you do, by all means stay tight with the rest of Apostles and Mary Magdelene and don't address His varied treatment of differing groups. WWJD? Keady wouldn't know, that's for certain. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are confusing insulting cultural traditions with having an opinion about them. That's 2 separate things. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Your prejudice against him IS showing Jack, fortunately for you, Tommy's prejudice against Keady is flying like a huge red flag. Me prejudice against Him Gabbi? Wow. The guy takes the time every year to insult my cultural traditions, call me at home and curses at me when I object, then he fails to treat other cultures the same way. Where in all that did you get that I'm prejudiced against him? Are you another who is going to make conclusions about me, without analyzing the issue of his varied treatment of Columbus day and Kwanzaa? From you I expected better. I expected something on the issue. I guess you can't be a Keady Apostle. I guess I'll dub you Mary Magdelene. Not an apostle but at least a desciple. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Because you jumped out of the thread that they are posting in, and created a new topic. Wouldn't it have made more sense to just post your new info into the existing thread? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack please address this question: Why is it that Oak and Mario and Jennifer posted on this topic all day, and you said nothing. I posted on it, and you jumped on me. Why the varied treatment? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: It's actually not prejudice. You have a tendency to plant discussions that you know are going to go on, and on and on, because you tend to rile people up. So, for a few years now, a bunch of us would occasionally try and steer this ship on topic, the topic being Asbury Park. So, I created a political forum, for AP people like you and I to discuss politics, and it's been pretty lively...but you refuse to join, because you think you'll be censored, but you won't. I only made one rule, two parts, no racism, no threats...but no, you won't go there, and I theorize that you like the attention of more then 400 members rather then the 17 we now have participating in Politics. There may be hope for a new way to look at our groups. Yahoo is beta testing a thing called Grouplets, which I'm hoping will let this Yahoo groups thing act more like a message board, with a large group filled with sub topics. That would rock. Sorry if I pissed you off. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack what the hell are you talking about? This column is about the topic Oak and Mario and Jennifer and others have been discussing all day. Your prejudice against me is showing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Read it. But it's in the wrong group forum. It should be in politics, just as the moderator said. Political discussions shouldn't be here after Wed. It's Wed. Now, I'm sure Tommy will argue that this relates to AP, but the article doesn't demonstrate a connection to AP. And Tommy, if you are so against the political group, because you think there will be censorship, then I'll make you an admin. How does that sound. Please spare this group from endless discussions that have nothing to do with AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Read it and weep: Paulson Speaks. But Will It Move Markets? By Liz Peek Financial Columnist Treasury Secretary Paulson held a press conference today to explain why his department has shifted the focus of the TARP program from buying distressed assets to injecting capital into banks. Financial Meltdown He emphasized that the goals of the program - to stabilize the financial system and spur lending - have not changed. However, in response to shifting events and the threat of potential systemic disruption from bank failures, Paulson and his team deemed direct capital infusions a more effective prop to the economy. Going forward, Paulson emphasized that his three objectives were strengthening the capital base of the financial system, shoring up the asset-backed securities market (which is key to lending in numerous consumer sectors) and working to mitigate mortgage foreclosures. As to the latter, Paulson pointed to the FDIC's proposed loan modification metrics used at IndyMac as a guidepost to similar efforts. He called the agreement reached yesterday with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extraordinary progress in attempting to limit mortgage foreclosures. He said, I have been working to avoid preventable foreclosures for some time and had reviewed innumerable proposals aimed at keeping people in their homes, but that mortgage modifications were extremely complicated. As to the outlook, Paulson described the economy's road ahead as full of challenges. Questioned about the outlook for the Big Three automakers, clearly one of those `challenges,' Paulson described the auto industry as critical, and the administration as supportive of manufacturing. He declined to promise a bailout of the Big Three, however, and repeated the administration's view that the solution has to lead to long-term viability for the industry. Mr. Paulson said that there was no timetable for the Treasury to ask Congress for the second half of the original $700 billion TARP plan and also confirmed that the $700 billion in funds available should be adequate. The Dow was off over 250 points as Paulson spoke. The secretary's comments are unlikely to alleviate investor concerns about the length or depth of the
[AsburyPark] Re: It's Official: Help to Homeowners Now Completely Out of Bailout Plans
Maybe because it's a bit trivial to me to take up so much group time on something that's basically a personal issue between you and Jim. There is so much more going on in the world right now that demands attention then holiday likes and dislikes... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The varied treatment of the cultures is the insult. Don't address that varied treatment, Jack. What ever you do, by all means stay tight with the rest of Apostles and Mary Magdelene and don't address His varied treatment of differing groups. WWJD? Keady wouldn't know, that's for certain. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I think you are confusing insulting cultural traditions with having an opinion about them. That's 2 separate things. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: Your prejudice against him IS showing Jack, fortunately for you, Tommy's prejudice against Keady is flying like a huge red flag. Me prejudice against Him Gabbi? Wow. The guy takes the time every year to insult my cultural traditions, call me at home and curses at me when I object, then he fails to treat other cultures the same way. Where in all that did you get that I'm prejudiced against him? Are you another who is going to make conclusions about me, without analyzing the issue of his varied treatment of Columbus day and Kwanzaa? From you I expected better. I expected something on the issue. I guess you can't be a Keady Apostle. I guess I'll dub you Mary Magdelene. Not an apostle but at least a desciple. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And easily over 100 rentals alone in MLS. So the numebr of rentals is more like 300. Nothing sucks more then holding out for an extra $100 a month while the guy next door can do it for less. Here's a question for Jennifer and others who might think a bit. Why is it if there are SO many properties for sale, say under $200k around the country and in certain markets, does the government continue to pay, for years and years, section 8 or housing voucher payments? Would't it make MORE sense for the government (or housing agency) to pruchase and rehab some MORE units and more or less hand them over to QUALIFIED tenants. And yes, there would be qualified people who collect. I know there are some programs. One of the BIGGEST scams going is the housing that has been closed up at Fort Monomuth after the gov spents millons and millons to rehab them - then knock them down or simply close them. Of course no towns waht these units to go affordable or homeless shelters. BUT they could be sold off to QUALIFIED buyers who would become residentsand god forbid, use their schools. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I completely agree about Fort Monmouth. Those housing units, which were extensively renovated, and now moldy and falling apart, and it's a crime that there's a whole, abandoned community there. Ft. Monmouth also demolished acres of viable housing near Tinton Falls. Makes no sense at all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: And easily over 100 rentals alone in MLS. So the numebr of rentals is more like 300. Nothing sucks more then holding out for an extra $100 a month while the guy next door can do it for less. Here's a question for Jennifer and others who might think a bit. Why is it if there are SO many properties for sale, say under $200k around the country and in certain markets, does the government continue to pay, for years and years, section 8 or housing voucher payments? Would't it make MORE sense for the government (or housing agency) to pruchase and rehab some MORE units and more or less hand them over to QUALIFIED tenants. And yes, there would be qualified people who collect. I know there are some programs. One of the BIGGEST scams going is the housing that has been closed up at Fort Monomuth after the gov spents millons and millons to rehab them - then knock them down or simply close them. Of course no towns waht these units to go affordable or homeless shelters. BUT they could be sold off to QUALIFIED buyers who would become residentsand god forbid, use their schools. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's a crime that there's a whole, abandoned community there. Ft. Monmouth also demolished acres of viable housing near Tinton Falls. Makes no sense at all. It made sense. They were fearful what might move in or happen to those units. They were hoping (or are) that they would new homes, offices, parks and SOME affordable homes vs. low income or apartments etc. Not to say some builders are still able to buy land and hold it for later use. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. The guy takes the time every year to insult my cultural traditions, call me at home and curses at me when I object, then he fails to treat other cultures the same way. you are taking something personal that isn't. what are you related to columbus? keady opposes funding for kwanzaa as well. Where in all that did you get that I'm prejudiced against him? why aren't you haranguing the other councilmen about the city's support of kwanzaa or the idiotic refusal to use the word Christmas? Are you another who is going to make conclusions about me, without analyzing the issue of his varied treatment of Columbus day and Kwanzaa? I really don't think its possible to have conclusions about anyone since we aren't concluded until we die. From you I expected better. I expected something on the issue. I guess you can't be a Keady Apostle. I guess I'll dub you Mary Magdelene. Thanks! She was the Mary who had a lot more fun! Though the guy who rides his bike around rapping is closer to jesus to me than Keady and I don't want to sleep with him either. Not an apostle but at least a desciple. Please! I wish I could find a teacher worthy of my discipleness ;) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: to pay, for years and years, section 8 or housing voucher payments? There is a Section 8 homeownership voucher program which allows S8 recipients to use their voucher towards a mortgage rather than rent. It has had varying success. Perth Amboy has done very well with it. To date, the Asbury Park Housing Authority doesn't participate in the program. I'd love to see them do that. Hazel Samuels (AP Director of housing and Community Development) has been a strong supporter of the program too. Under S8 homeownership, the buyer does need to meet credit requirements. The homeowner gets the voucher for the first 15 years of the mortgage and the voucher can be up to 70% of the loan. The Housing Authority remains involved and is notified if the homeowner misses a payment so that they can intervene. It's an excellent program, but unfortunately it is underutilized and faces a lot of prejudices. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Under S8 homeownership, the buyer does need to meet credit requirements. The homeowner gets the voucher for the first 15 years of the mortgage and the voucher can be up to 70% of the loan. The Housing Authority remains involved and is notified if the homeowner misses a payment so that they can intervene. It's an excellent program, but unfortunately it is underutilized and faces a lot of prejudices. Amazing. Right? It's a half ass system. Luckily some people really do benefit from it. Here's the story: http://www.hud.gov/offices/pih/programs/hcv/homeownership/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why aren't you haranguing the other councilmen about the city's support of kwanzaa or the idiotic refusal to use the word Christmas? Gabbi, why do you and Sharon keep making this mistake? I'M THE ONE THAT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S KWANZAA CELEBRATION! IT'S KEADY WHO DOESN'T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Tommy you are impossible. Keady isn't unsupportive of columbus day or kwanzaa...he is against the use of public funds for both events. Totally understandable given that the city is broke. Mr. Deseno, In a recent email, you wrote: He opposes both the Columbus and Kwanzaa celebrations (which you and I support). That is a lie. I do not oppose the Columbus or Kwanzaa celebrations. I oppose taxpayer dollars being spent on these events, they should be financed by private groups. Your attempts to consistently distort facts and to malign people's character is grossly transparent. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady You really do have a tendency to switch things around. This all started with you questioning the support of Kwanzaa and the dismissal of Columbus day. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: why aren't you haranguing the other councilmen about the city's support of kwanzaa or the idiotic refusal to use the word Christmas? Gabbi, why do you and Sharon keep making this mistake? I'M THE ONE THAT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S KWANZAA CELEBRATION! IT'S KEADY WHO DOESN'T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
