[AsburyPark] Re: The Defacing of Asbury Park
I got your point Doug and agree... Don't tell someone else to put on deodorant when you smell like shit. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Doug M wrote: My apologies; I must have been reading a different post than the one you describe. The post I was referring to is titled The Defacing of Asbury Park. In THAT post, the originating poster described how local property owners' failure to maintain their historic facades is a threat that adversely effects [sic] the character of the community. The originating poster goes on to list several properties, both commercial and residential, and their specific deficiencies. The post of mere observations that you describe does, indeed, seem a lot more benign. We couldn't possibly be talking about the same post. I do agree with Werner's point that preserving architectural and design standards can be a substantial benefit to a community in a variety of ways. One method that some municipalities use to thwart the insidious and detrimental decline of historic facades is to form and empower a historic preservation commission. In order to be effective, however, these historic preservation commissions need to have teeth in the form of regulatory and financial tools, such as enforcement penalties, tax incentives and form-based design and architectural codes. That empowerment needs to come from a governing body with the conviction that such historic standards are desirable and important. Has our governing body been given such a mandate? It doesn't appear so. My point in referring to Werner's prior code enforcement issues with the City is that if one wants to stem the tide of historic neglect in a city that does not have a meaningful historic preservation plan, then the owners of those properties who feel that preservation is an important issue need to lead by example. Without a plan by the governing body, those owners can start by maintaining their own properties up to the standards that they advocate for others. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Regine Flimlin wrote: Hey Doug No need to get personal, seems to me the guy is just reporting what he sees in the commercial sector. Reggie On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Doug M wrote: Werner, I agree that preserving the facade and design of historic buildings would be great for the community. Most people appreciate the lasting charm of historic architecture over modern buildings or half-hearted solutions that diminish historic character. To that end, I am curious about YOUR house. Didn't you run into some trouble (an understatement, if I remember correctly) a few years ago for refusing to make improvements to your own historic home, including required safety improvements? It sounds a bit hypocritical to be criticizing others for their architectural faux pas when the person pointing the finger refused to put his own house in order. Should we add YOUR house to your own list of structures that could use a little TLC? Doug --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wrote: Reading a post on the Asbury Park Sun today reminded me of a threat the City has been facing for decades... The defacement of its vintage and historic structures. The damage is incremental and hardly noticed until it reaches a critical mass and adversely effects the character of the community. Some notable examples. - A classic brick residential/commercial building at 6th and Main; painted. - The former North Asbury Park RR Station at Memorial Dr. of brick and exposed wood beams; painted. - A brick building at Summerfield and Emory; painted - The Windor Building at Main and Bangs, a historic site; painted, antenna dishes, inappropriate commercial facades. - The Arthur Pryor Pavilion; stuccoed over, painted, remodeled. - Many classic brick Main St. buildings; stuccoed over, painted, inappropriate storefronts, etc... Stucco, paint, inappropriate storefronts, remodeling The clasic, historic look and feel of Asbury Park is being erased in a slow steady assault. The Sun posting has a photo of a beautiful brick commercial building with inappropriate signage covering what should be transom windows, a character defining feature of the building. http://asburyparksun.com/rebearth-art-supply-and-lifestyle-to-close/ This board has been inactive for so long, but at least my concerns are now part of public record... Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change
[AsburyPark] Re: The Defacing of Asbury Park
My apologies; I must have been reading a different post than the one you describe. The post I was referring to is titled The Defacing of Asbury Park. In THAT post, the originating poster described how local property owners' failure to maintain their historic facades is a threat that adversely effects [sic] the character of the community. The originating poster goes on to list several properties, both commercial and residential, and their specific deficiencies. The post of mere observations that you describe does, indeed, seem a lot more benign. We couldn't possibly be talking about the same post. I do agree with Werner's point that preserving architectural and design standards can be a substantial benefit to a community in a variety of ways. One method that some municipalities use to thwart the insidious and detrimental decline of historic facades is to form and empower a historic preservation commission. In order to be effective, however, these historic preservation commissions need to have teeth in the form of regulatory and financial tools, such as enforcement penalties, tax incentives and form-based design and architectural codes. That empowerment needs to come from a governing body with the conviction that such historic standards are desirable and important. Has our governing body been given such a mandate? It doesn't appear so. My point in referring to Werner's prior code enforcement issues with the City is that if one wants to stem the tide of historic neglect in a city that does not have a meaningful historic preservation plan, then the owners of those properties who feel that preservation is an important issue need to lead by example. Without a plan by the governing body, those owners can start by maintaining their own properties up to the standards that they advocate for others. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Regine Flimlin wrote: Hey Doug No need to get personal, seems to me the guy is just reporting what he sees in the commercial sector. Reggie On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Doug M wrote: Werner, I agree that preserving the facade and design of historic buildings would be great for the community. Most people appreciate the lasting charm of historic architecture over modern buildings or half-hearted solutions that diminish historic character. To that end, I am curious about YOUR house. Didn't you run into some trouble (an understatement, if I remember correctly) a few years ago for refusing to make improvements to your own historic home, including required safety improvements? It sounds a bit hypocritical to be criticizing others for their architectural faux pas when the person pointing the finger refused to put his own house in order. Should we add YOUR house to your own list of structures that could use a little TLC? Doug --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wrote: Reading a post on the Asbury Park Sun today reminded me of a threat the City has been facing for decades... The defacement of its vintage and historic structures. The damage is incremental and hardly noticed until it reaches a critical mass and adversely effects the character of the community. Some notable examples. - A classic brick residential/commercial building at 6th and Main; painted. - The former North Asbury Park RR Station at Memorial Dr. of brick and exposed wood beams; painted. - A brick building at Summerfield and Emory; painted - The Windor Building at Main and Bangs, a historic site; painted, antenna dishes, inappropriate commercial facades. - The Arthur Pryor Pavilion; stuccoed over, painted, remodeled. - Many classic brick Main St. buildings; stuccoed over, painted, inappropriate storefronts, etc... Stucco, paint, inappropriate storefronts, remodeling The clasic, historic look and feel of Asbury Park is being erased in a slow steady assault. The Sun posting has a photo of a beautiful brick commercial building with inappropriate signage covering what should be transom windows, a character defining feature of the building. http://asburyparksun.com/rebearth-art-supply-and-lifestyle-to-close/ This board has been inactive for so long, but at least my concerns are now part of public record... Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[AsburyPark] Re: The Defacing of Asbury Park
Werner, I agree that preserving the facade and design of historic buildings would be great for the community. Most people appreciate the lasting charm of historic architecture over modern buildings or half-hearted solutions that diminish historic character. To that end, I am curious about YOUR house. Didn't you run into some trouble (an understatement, if I remember correctly) a few years ago for refusing to make improvements to your own historic home, including required safety improvements? It sounds a bit hypocritical to be criticizing others for their architectural faux pas when the person pointing the finger refused to put his own house in order. Should we add YOUR house to your own list of structures that could use a little TLC? Doug --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wrote: Reading a post on the Asbury Park Sun today reminded me of a threat the City has been facing for decades... The defacement of its vintage and historic structures. The damage is incremental and hardly noticed until it reaches a critical mass and adversely effects the character of the community. Some notable examples. - A classic brick residential/commercial building at 6th and Main; painted. - The former North Asbury Park RR Station at Memorial Dr. of brick and exposed wood beams; painted. - A brick building at Summerfield and Emory; painted - The Windor Building at Main and Bangs, a historic site; painted, antenna dishes, inappropriate commercial facades. - The Arthur Pryor Pavilion; stuccoed over, painted, remodeled. - Many classic brick Main St. buildings; stuccoed over, painted, inappropriate storefronts, etc... Stucco, paint, inappropriate storefronts, remodeling The clasic, historic look and feel of Asbury Park is being erased in a slow steady assault. The Sun posting has a photo of a beautiful brick commercial building with inappropriate signage covering what should be transom windows, a character defining feature of the building. http://asburyparksun.com/rebearth-art-supply-and-lifestyle-to-close/ This board has been inactive for so long, but at least my concerns are now part of public record... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Defacing of Asbury Park
Your post, and this obituary from today's Times, makes one wonder what Ms. Huxtable might have written about the subject: http://tinyurl.com/afabwx5 A few gems: At a time when architects were still in thrall to blank-slate urban renewal, Ms. Huxtable championed preservation not because old buildings were quaint, or even necessarily historical landmarks, but because they contributed vitally to the cityscape. She was appalled at how profit dictated planning and led developers to squeeze the most floor area onto the least amount of land with the fewest public amenities. She invited readers to consider a building not as an assembly of pilasters and entablatures but as a public statement whose form and placement had real consequences for its neighbors as well as its occupants. What infuriated her were authentic reproductions of historical architecture and surrogate environments like Colonial Williamsburg and master-planned communities like the Disney Company's Celebration, Fla. Private preserves of theme park and supermall increasingly substitute for nature and the public realm, while nostalgia for what never was replaces the genuine urban survival, she wrote in The Unreal America: Architecture and Illusion (1997). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wrote: Reading a post on the Asbury Park Sun today reminded me of a threat the City has been facing for decades... The defacement of its vintage and historic structures. The damage is incremental and hardly noticed until it reaches a critical mass and adversely effects the character of the community. Some notable examples. - A classic brick residential/commercial building at 6th and Main; painted. - The former North Asbury Park RR Station at Memorial Dr. of brick and exposed wood beams; painted. - A brick building at Summerfield and Emory; painted - The Windor Building at Main and Bangs, a historic site; painted, antenna dishes, inappropriate commercial facades. - The Arthur Pryor Pavilion; stuccoed over, painted, remodeled. - Many classic brick Main St. buildings; stuccoed over, painted, inappropriate storefronts, etc... Stucco, paint, inappropriate storefronts, remodeling The clasic, historic look and feel of Asbury Park is being erased in a slow steady assault. The Sun posting has a photo of a beautiful brick commercial building with inappropriate signage covering what should be transom windows, a character defining feature of the building. http://asburyparksun.com/rebearth-art-supply-and-lifestyle-to-close/ This board has been inactive for so long, but at least my concerns are now part of public record... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Defacing of Asbury Park
Hopefully the new construction will be void of flat , bland stucco from top to bottom . Hopefully the VIVE will be finished as the pics show. In my mind, I have list of interesting buildings in AP - has someone ever published a list and the reason why they are worthy - Post Building Steinbach US Post Office (current) HS YMCA RR Plaza Sunset Plaza Strip 1411 Memorial (Corner of 6th) Corbos 1 Press Plaza - Slott's office Fitness Life styles to Bond Gas Co AP Grand Verizon Building Sov Bank, PNC Bank Franks Santander ... Homes... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Defacing of Asbury Park
Who gave the order that it's okay to deface buildings for lack of a better word? Board of adjustment? Planning Board? Who? The reelecting of the SAME players each election speaks volumes! Who are the culprits? Can someone name NAMES? Werner has been more than our eyes, ears and spoke out only to be ostracized, thrown in jail, made to look like a kook, which MOST of us know he isn't? I have to admit, the fight has gone out of me, too! Is anybody out there thank can beat City Hall? The only people that suffer here are US! Thanks Werner! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wrote: Reading a post on the Asbury Park Sun today reminded me of a threat the City has been facing for decades... The defacement of its vintage and historic structures. The damage is incremental and hardly noticed until it reaches a critical mass and adversely effects the character of the community. Some notable examples. - A classic brick residential/commercial building at 6th and Main; painted. - The former North Asbury Park RR Station at Memorial Dr. of brick and exposed wood beams; painted. - A brick building at Summerfield and Emory; painted - The Windor Building at Main and Bangs, a historic site; painted, antenna dishes, inappropriate commercial facades. - The Arthur Pryor Pavilion; stuccoed over, painted, remodeled. - Many classic brick Main St. buildings; stuccoed over, painted, inappropriate storefronts, etc... Stucco, paint, inappropriate storefronts, remodeling The clasic, historic look and feel of Asbury Park is being erased in a slow steady assault. The Sun posting has a photo of a beautiful brick commercial building with inappropriate signage covering what should be transom windows, a character defining feature of the building. http://asburyparksun.com/rebearth-art-supply-and-lifestyle-to-close/ This board has been inactive for so long, but at least my concerns are now part of public record... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
