[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
Here's a perfect example of your fair and balanced BS Fox news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo Watch that and then let's here you explain how that's fair and balanced. Good luck. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is all left winged media excpet for Fox. I spend my life involved with it and has always been that way. Is that why when McCain went to Iraq the media didn't send a crew but when Obama went all of them had to broadcast their nightly newscasts from Iraq. There is dumbing down alright. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 6:19 PM The left winged media you rant about is owned by Clear Channel and Rupert Murdoch, to dumb down America! There IS no left winged media. They're ALL YOUR Republican, right-winged friends! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. Rovian tribal bs? - but I thought you celebrate diversity. If so, what's wrong with recognizing tribes? i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. For which side? we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. There are two shores and two borders I can show you. Tap into your inner Marco Polo and go in search of a people you like. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. Never. NEVER I'm America centric and staying that way. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. Blame the left wing media. football players make more money than teachers. They should, because they earn their employers more money than teachers earn their employers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. I don't know what that is and please don't anyone tell me. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. YOU can speak for yourself. i even suggested we all hang out. Speaking of, I didn't see you in Twisted Tree when I went there last week. Anyone catch the Johnny Cash show there last night? i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! See, now this part, right here, is why you're still my favorite writer in TCN. What imagery! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
The left winged media you rant about is owned by Clear Channel and Rupert Murdoch, to dumb down America! There IS no left winged media. They're ALL YOUR Republican, right-winged friends! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. Rovian tribal bs? - but I thought you celebrate diversity. If so, what's wrong with recognizing tribes? i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. For which side? we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. There are two shores and two borders I can show you. Tap into your inner Marco Polo and go in search of a people you like. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. Never. NEVER I'm America centric and staying that way. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. Blame the left wing media. football players make more money than teachers. They should, because they earn their employers more money than teachers earn their employers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. I don't know what that is and please don't anyone tell me. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. YOU can speak for yourself. i even suggested we all hang out. Speaking of, I didn't see you in Twisted Tree when I went there last week. Anyone catch the Johnny Cash show there last night? i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! See, now this part, right here, is why you're still my favorite writer in TCN. What imagery! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have been thinking that it could be that people are afraid of going on the record questioning the leadership...its easy to rail on hank paulson, but chances are you wouldn't be invited to the Fed Ball anyway...now the mayors ball??...or maybe people are afraid they will need a favor from someone someday, or their relative or friend will take heat etc...or maybe they are afraid they will end up in jail like werner. if that were the case, it wouldn't be surprising. this is NJ, thats how politics operate here. its a disease we don't even know we have. and its Un-American. === Being part of the clique and getting invites certainly dominates the processes in Asbury Park. Critcal discourse and participation in civic affairs is discouraged and duely punished. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know what you mean. but from a trading point of view your buying debt. and its value, as i said before is dependent on the ability of the people to repay. i understand the government could make money. so, now where did i say i was smarter than everyone else? You said this: As Americans we are constantly distracted by the superficial, disconnected from our communities, we avoid genuine involvement with our local governments and we provide wealth to the companies that screw us in the end. We are intellectually lazy and narcissistic. We care only how we look, what we drive and how that compares to others. I blame American anti intellectualism for a big chunk of that and am amazed that elite could be considered a derogatory remark. So you made a sweeping generalization about a group to which I belong. You even anticipagted our counter-arguement (elitism) in your post. Did you really expect me, as part of the group you criticized, to not respond? You posted something not too long ago about fascism stopping speech. Yet here in practice, on this board, you try the same. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
You said this: As Americans we are constantly distracted by the superficial, disconnected from our communities, we avoid genuine involvement with our local governments and we provide wealth to the companies that screw us in the end. We are intellectually lazy and narcissistic. We care only how we look, what we drive and how that compares to others. I blame American anti intellectualism for a big chunk of that and am amazed that elite could be considered a derogatory remark. So you made a sweeping generalization about a group to which I belong. You even anticipagted our counter-arguement (elitism) in your post. Did you really expect me, as part of the group you criticized, to not respond? You posted something not too long ago about fascism stopping speech. Yet here in practice, on this board, you try the same. as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. they did not fight for what this country has become. we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. not stupid. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. football players make more money than teachers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. throw the elite label at me all you want, i won't go into the many reasons why its absurd to throw it my way. and you didn't prove i said i was smarter than everyone else and now you also have to prove i have tried to quash anyone from posting. i have been begging for discussion. i even suggested we all hang out. i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bad reporters are thinking of this from the point of view of the people who owe the money to the banks. To those people it is a debt, because they owe. The government is not buying a thing from them. This is an ASSET PURCHASE, not a DEBT PURCHASE. In fact, in the end, if all goes well, the government will make money off the deal (time will tell). Fair points but it gets a little murky when you get into the CDO's which are private contracts insuring against bad borrowers. Is the government buying the insurance policy (insured) or being the insurer? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you made a sweeping generalization about a group to which I belong. You even anticipagted our counter-arguement (elitism) in your post. Did you really expect me, as part of the group you criticized, to not respond? You posted something not too long ago about fascism stopping speech. Yet here in practice, on this board, you try the same. Here's the thing about Americans. You can send their kids off by the thousands to get their balls blown off in foreign lands for no reason at all, saddle them with billions in debt year after congressional year while they spend their winters cheerfully watching game shows and football, pull the rug out from under their mortgages, and leave them living off their credit cards and their Wal-Mart salaries while you move their jobs to China and Bangalore. And none of it matters, so long as you remember a few months before Election Day to offer them a two-bit caricature culled from some cutting-room-floor episode of Roseanne as part of your presidential ticket. And if she's a good enough likeness of a loudmouthed middle-American archetype, as Sarah Palin is, John Q. Public will drop his giant-size bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the Sizzlin' Picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else's, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because the image on TV reminds him of the mean, brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning. Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States. As a representative of our political system, she's a new low in reptilian villainy, the ultimate cynical masterwork of puppeteers like Karl Rove. But more than that, she is a horrifying symbol of how little we ask for in return for the total surrender of our political power. Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation. - Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone. © 2008 RollingStone.com All rights reserved. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. Rovian tribal bs? - but I thought you celebrate diversity. If so, what's wrong with recognizing tribes? i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. For which side? we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. There are two shores and two borders I can show you. Tap into your inner Marco Polo and go in search of a people you like. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. Never. NEVER I'm America centric and staying that way. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. Blame the left wing media. football players make more money than teachers. They should, because they earn their employers more money than teachers earn their employers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. I don't know what that is and please don't anyone tell me. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. YOU can speak for yourself. i even suggested we all hang out. Speaking of, I didn't see you in Twisted Tree when I went there last week. Anyone catch the Johnny Cash show there last night? i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! See, now this part, right here, is why you're still my favorite writer in TCN. What imagery! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
In a message dated 9/29/2008 11:36:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation. Similarly: No Longer masters of our own fate? Consumerism, Affluenza? Andrew Bacevich has described himself as a Catholic conservative and initially published writings in a number of traditionally conservative American political magazines. (Wiki) From transcript here http://tinyurl.com/4need5 http://tinyurl.com/4need5 or watch here http://tinyurl.com/3no33h http://tinyurl.com/3no33h (Bill Moyers Journal) ANDREW BACEVICH: I think there's a tendency on the part of policy makers and probably a tendency on the part of many Americans to think that the problems we face are problems that are out there somewhere, beyond our borders. And that if we can fix those problems, then we'll be able to continue the American way of life as it has long existed. I think it's fundamentally wrong. Our major problems are at home .Physician, heal thyself, and you begin healing yourself by looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing yourself as you really are . We want to be able to pump gas into our cars regardless of how big they may happen to be, in order to be able to drive wherever we want to be able to drive. And we want to be able to do these things without having to think about whether or not the book's balanced at the end of the month, or the end of the fiscal year. And therefore, we want this unending line of credit . What neither of these candidates will be able to, I think, accomplish is to persuade us to look ourselves in the mirror, to see the direction in which we are headed. And from my point of view, it's a direction towards ever greater debt and dependency . Well, we don't live within our means. I mean, the nation doesn't, and increasingly, individual Americans don't. Our saving - the individual savings rate in this country is below zero. The personal debt, national debt, however you want to measure it, as individuals and as a government, and as a nation we assume an endless line of credit. As individuals, the line of credit is not endless, that's one of the reasons why we're having this current problem with the housing crisis, and so on. And my view would be that the nation's assumption, that its line of credit is endless, is also going to be shown to be false. And when that day occurs it's going to be a black day, indeed . Americans are no longer masters of their own fate. Our negative trade balance with the world is something in the order of $800 billion per year. That's $800 billion of stuff that we buy, so that we can consume, that is $800 billion greater than the amount of stuff that we sell to them. That's a big number. I mean, it's a big number even relative to the size of our economy. Do we get balanced budgets? Do we get serious as opposed to simply rhetorical attention to traditional social values? The answer's no. Because all of that really has simply been part of a package of tactics that Republicans have employed to get elected and to - and then to stay in office. = Andrew Bacevich speaks truth to power, no matter who's in power, which may be why those on both the left and right listen to him. Perhaps it's also because when he challenges American myths and illusions, he does so from a patriotism forged in the fire of experience as a soldier in Vietnam. After 23 years in the army, this West Point graduate has been teaching international relations and history at Boston University. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
Sorry 'bout that. All the paragraphing disappeared in transmitting. Hard to read. Maybe second try below is easier on the eyes. In a message dated 9/29/2008 2:01:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 9/29/2008 11:36:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation. Similarly: No Longer masters of our own fate? Consumerism, Affluenza? Andrew Bacevich has described himself as a Catholic conservative and initially published writings in a number of traditionally conservative American political magazines. (Wiki) From transcript here _http://tinyurl.com/4need5_ (http://tinyurl.com/4need5) http://tinyurl.com/4need5 or watch here http://tinyurl.com/3no33h http://tinyurl.com/3no33h(Bill Moyers Journal) ANDREW BACEVICH: I think there's a tendency on the part of policy makers and probably a tendency on the part of many Americans to think that the problems we face are problems that are out there somewhere, beyond our borders. And that if we can fix those problems, then we'll be able to continue the American way of life as it has long existed. I think it's fundamentally wrong. Our major problems are at home…. Physician, heal thyself, and you begin healing yourself by looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing yourself as you really are…. We want to be able to pump gas into our cars regardless of how big they may happen to be, in order to be able to drive wherever we want to be able to drive. And we want to be able to do these things without having to think about whether or not the book's balanced at the end of the month, or the end of the fiscal year. And therefore, we want this unending line of credit…. What neither of these candidates will be able to, I think, accomplish is to persuade us to look ourselves in the mirror, to see the direction in which we are headed. And from my point of view, it's a direction towards ever greater debt and dependency…. Well, we don't live within our means. I mean, the nation doesn't, and increasingly, individual Americans don't. Our saving - the individual savings rate in this country is below zero. The personal debt, national debt, however you want to measure it, as individuals and as a government, and as a nation we assume an endless line of credit. As individuals, the line of credit is not endless, that's one of the reasons why we're having this current problem with the housing crisis, and so on. And my view would be that the nation's assumption, that its line of credit is endless, is also going to be shown to be false. And when that day occurs it's going to be a black day, indeed…. Americans are no longer masters of their own fate. Our negative trade balance with the world is something in the order of $800 billion per year. That's $800 billion of stuff that we buy, so that we can consume, that is $800 billion greater than the amount of stuff that we sell to them. That's a big number. I mean, it's a big number even relative to the size of our economy.… Do we get balanced budgets? Do we get serious as opposed to simply rhetorical attention to traditional social values? The answer's no. Because all of that really has simply been part of a package of tactics that Republicans have employed to get elected and to - and then to stay in office Moyers: Andrew Bacevich speaks truth to power, no matter who's in power, which may be why those on both the left and right listen to him. Perhaps it's also because when he challenges American myths and illusions, he does so from a patriotism forged in the fire of experience as a soldier in Vietnam. After 23 years in the army, this West Point graduate has been teaching international relations and history at Boston University. **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A suggestion is made to demolish a building because 'bad people' are there - leading to name calling when someone says the idea should really be thought out more. (its not the buildings fault) With in all that, however, there was this rather lucid and worthwhile exchange: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40256 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: A suggestion is made to demolish a building because 'bad people' are there - leading to name calling when someone says the idea should really be thought out more. (its not the buildings fault) With in all that, however, there was this rather lucid and worthwhile exchange: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40256 And several significant misrepresentations of rehabiltation are made. Buildings are rehabilitated and brought up to modern uses regularly. As evidences by the countless 100+ year old homes in the city brought back to life in recent years. The argument that 'old' can not be made viable holds no water based upon local and national trends. Unless a building has serious structural or environmental defects that are cost prohibitive to correct, a rehabilitation is certaily worth exploring. In regards to that block, the 3 buildings (Virginia, Jersey, Britwood), are significant representatives of a high point in the development of Asbury Park (roaring 20s). In fact, one has been restored/rehabed and is a viable ratable. another has the exterior restored but is prohibired from completion due to myopic planning. Both of those were vacant with caved in roofs and are now very nice architectural icons that benifit the community in esthetics and tax base. The Virgina is a great candidate for rehab also, renderings were prepared several years ago showing the restoration of the large porches/balconies that were removed years ago. Only poor planning and land use policies have prevented the improvement/rehab/restoration of the Virginia and Jersey. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then someone wants to talk about city economics and ends up getting cursed at and called elitist. (some very nasty people on the group) You're being selective. Go back and look at her post. She asserts everyone else isn't as smart as she is. So who's nasty? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
Go back and look at her post. She asserts everyone else isn't as smart as she is. So who's nasty? ok tommy this is what i wrote... well yeah...thats what i would love to have a more intelligent conversation about but it seems i am somewhat alone. why are american citizens so reluctant to dig a little deeper? why so ready to talk about crumbling cement blocks with a face on it and being out 50 cents? are most simply what i wrote about in my last tcn piece American Plebs? concerned about issues only when it affects them directly. in awe of mediocre leadership as long as it pretends to listen to them? i had forgotten that there is a budget committee. what are they doing? it seems to me that a citizen committee would have as a primary goal the education of the citizens. making the budget accessible to non wonks. in no way did i assert i was smarter than anyone (are you sure you're not just pissed cuz i found something to back up the debt thing?) i said i was alone in wanting a more intelligent and in depth discussion of the budget. that could quite possibly make me less intelligent than anyone here. did i allow my frustration at the general lack of citizen involvement come through too much? definitely, but just as it is annoying to listen to a friend complain about a destructive relationship again and again, i get frustrated with all the whining about so many things in this town and see little genuine dialog, idea sharing and discussion of the leadership on this board. i have been thinking that it could be that people are afraid of going on the record questioning the leadership...its easy to rail on hank paulson, but chances are you wouldn't be invited to the Fed Ball anyway...now the mayors ball??...or maybe people are afraid they will need a favor from someone someday, or their relative or friend will take heat etc...or maybe they are afraid they will end up in jail like werner. if that were the case, it wouldn't be surprising. this is NJ, thats how politics operate here. its a disease we don't even know we have. and its Un-American. yes newbee...it is a strange and wonderful place. your post was a fresh breeze in a stuffy place...and yes i know there are lots of lucid exchanges sandpiper, but you must admit that something that strays too much from the comfort zone is attacked...i haven't been called so many names since i was a chubby 5th grader. thank god i was prepared. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and yes i know there are lots of lucid exchanges sandpiper, but you must admit that something that strays too much from the comfort zone is attacked... No argument there. I was just trying to steer things back to the discussion about buildings. ;) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
