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Why is their a 4-letter word in your subject line? I am to the understanding that this newsgroup was limited to 18 and over. If it is, a kid has no place here. correct me if I'm wrong. Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: message attached Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- Try not to curse, there's a 12 year old on this board. Ray Kramer was a successful restauranteur, if I recall correctly. You still have not named me his crime - because he didn't commit any. It's stuff like this - just yelling corruption without any facts at all - that gives AP a bad name. Don't ever think you can get away with that in front of me. I love this City too much to let people say unfounded rumors about it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. ---End Message---
[AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit
Dave: I'm not going to be so presumptuous as to say that you are wrong. All I'm saying is that in the thousands of photos and postcards I've seen, I'm surprised I've never caught a glimpse of the signs you are talking about. Remember too that Asbury Avenue is the beach Asbury Blacks flocked to in the 1800. They were not segregated there. It is the beach they enjoyed. Now there are postings here that racism is a problem in Asbury Park today. Of course, no one can cite any examples. This victimology at its worst. Maybe its because my roots are on the west side, my mother still lives in the house I grew up in. I'm there often. I just don't see the racism. I feel terrible that poeple are disparaging Asbury Park like this. It's BS and don't ever expect me to stand for it. This is the least racist town I've been to. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBif you were born in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act was 1964, how would you certainly know if there were or weren't signs when you were still crawling? I must admit my error w/ Led Zep because I didn't go to that show, but if you ask someone like Mike Dowling, Tookie, or my Brother, they'd remember if there were or weren't signs. The sign on Black Beach was the only rascist posting I ever saw in my life, so I remember it being there. I was 10 in 1962. - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit Dave: Like most others around here, I have looked at thousands of photos of AP. Anyone have any photos showing a Blacks Only or Whites Only sign on the beach from the 50's? If there was one on every beach, I imaging there must be some pictures. Must say by the time I was there (born 63) there certainly weren't any. Civil Rights Act of 1964, perhaps? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lived in Monroe Towers, right BB? (mailing address) I remember the sign, Blacks Only on Black Beach when I was a kid (born 1952). I've written about that beach in one of my stories on www.greasylake.org . There were Whites Only on the rest of the beaches to the North of the Casino. All the black workers in Ocean Grove had to leave town when they were done w/ work. Ray Kramer was a slick cat. He'd bring his young oriental girlfriend to UPSTAGE once in a while. There were always rumors flying around about the man, but that's normal Asbury Park politics. I don't recall him getting caught up in any crime, but do remember he had a reputation of a poor businessman. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] crock of shit ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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.And they've never walked a mile in your shoes, either. Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: message attached Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- Title: AOL Email Sometimes people don't see racism as it is because they are on the other end of it. ---End Message---
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What are you not hearing? I have friends on the West-Side too, 3rd, 4th Ave., but if you go onto Springwood, Bordan, DeWitt, shoot, I wouldn't want to live there. It looks like a garbage dump! Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: message attached Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- Dave: I'm not going to be so presumptuous as to say that you are wrong. All I'm saying is that in the thousands of photos and postcards I've seen, I'm surprised I've never caught a glimpse of the signs you are talking about. Remember too that Asbury Avenue is the beach Asbury Blacks flocked to in the 1800. They were not segregated there. It is the beach they enjoyed. Now there are postings here that racism is a problem in Asbury Park today. Of course, no one can cite any examples. This victimology at its worst. Maybe its because my roots are on the west side, my mother still lives in the house I grew up in. I'm there often. I just don't see the racism. I feel terrible that poeple are disparaging Asbury Park like this. It's BS and don't ever expect me to stand for it. This is the least racist town I've been to. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBif you were born in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act was 1964, how would you certainly know if there were or weren't signs when you were still crawling? I must admit my error w/ Led Zep because I didn't go to that show, but if you ask someone like Mike Dowling, Tookie, or my Brother, they'd remember if there were or weren't signs. The sign on Black Beach was the only rascist posting I ever saw in my life, so I remember it being there. I was 10 in 1962. - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit Dave: Like most others around here, I have looked at thousands of photos of AP. Anyone have any photos showing a Blacks Only or Whites Only sign on the beach from the 50's? If there was one on every beach, I imaging there must be some pictures. Must say by the time I was there (born 63) there certainly weren't any. Civil Rights Act of 1964, perhaps? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lived in Monroe Towers, right BB? (mailing address) I remember the sign, Blacks Only on Black Beach when I was a kid (born 1952). I've written about that beach in one of my stories on www.greasylake.org . There were Whites Only on the rest of the beaches to the North of the Casino. All the black workers in Ocean Grove had to leave town when they were done w/ work. Ray Kramer was a slick cat. He'd bring his young oriental girlfriend to UPSTAGE once in a while. There were always rumors flying around about the man, but that's normal Asbury Park politics. I don't recall him getting caught up in any crime, but do remember he had a reputation of a poor businessman. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] crock of shit ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links ---End Message---
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I also remember back in the fall 04' when the gay marraiges were being performed at City Hall, that gay people were asking for rights that blacks had fought for, with their blood, sweat and tears, so move on Springwood and see what kind of rights the blacks have over there, okay? Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: message attached Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- BBif you were born in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act was 1964, how would you certainly know if there were or weren't signs when you were still crawling? I must admit my error w/ Led Zep because I didn't go to that show, but if you ask someone like Mike Dowling, Tookie, or my Brother, they'd remember if there were or weren't signs. The sign on Black Beach was the only rascist posting I ever saw in my life, so I remember it being there. I was 10 in 1962. - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit Dave: Like most others around here, I have looked at thousands of photos of AP. Anyone have any photos showing a Blacks Only or Whites Only sign on the beach from the 50's? If there was one on every beach, I imaging there must be some pictures. Must say by the time I was there (born 63) there certainly weren't any. Civil Rights Act of 1964, perhaps? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lived in Monroe Towers, right BB? (mailing address) I remember the sign, Blacks Only on Black Beach when I was a kid (born 1952). I've written about that beach in one of my stories on www.greasylake.org . There were Whites Only on the rest of the beaches to the North of the Casino. All the black workers in Ocean Grove had to leave town when they were done w/ work. Ray Kramer was a slick cat. He'd bring his young oriental girlfriend to UPSTAGE once in a while. There were always rumors flying around about the man, but that's normal Asbury Park politics. I don't recall him getting caught up in any crime, but do remember he had a reputation of a poor businessman. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] crock of shit ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links ---End Message---
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit
BBif you were born in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act was 1964, how would you certainly know if there were or weren't signs when you were still crawling? I must admit my error w/ Led Zep because I didn't go to that show, but if you ask someone like Mike Dowling, Tookie, or my Brother, they'd remember if there were or weren't signs. The sign on Black Beach was the only rascist posting I ever saw in my life, so I remember it being there. I was 10 in 1962. - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit Dave: Like most others around here, I have looked at thousands of photos of AP. Anyone have any photos showing a Blacks Only or Whites Only sign on the beach from the 50's? If there was one on every beach, I imaging there must be some pictures. Must say by the time I was there (born 63) there certainly weren't any. Civil Rights Act of 1964, perhaps? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lived in Monroe Towers, right BB? (mailing address) I remember the sign, Blacks Only on Black Beach when I was a kid (born 1952). I've written about that beach in one of my stories on www.greasylake.org . There were Whites Only on the rest of the beaches to the North of the Casino. All the black workers in Ocean Grove had to leave town when they were done w/ work. Ray Kramer was a slick cat. He'd bring his young oriental girlfriend to UPSTAGE once in a while. There were always rumors flying around about the man, but that's normal Asbury Park politics. I don't recall him getting caught up in any crime, but do remember he had a reputation of a poor businessman. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] crock of shit ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit
Try not to curse, there's a 12 year old on this board. Ray Kramer was a successful restauranteur, if I recall correctly. You still have not named me his crime - because he didn't commit any. It's stuff like this - just yelling corruption without any facts at all - that gives AP a bad name. Don't ever think you can get away with that in front of me. I love this City too much to let people say unfounded rumors about it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit
I haven't bothered to rad all these posts about old ap - but for those of us now in our 40's...who were 10-15 when we first overheard stories from old timers (guys in Their 40's) - lots of those rumors have been passed on for the past 30 years. There's plenty of good old stories going way, way back. Perhaps someone can start giving ghost tours of AP. Much like in Key West. From hookers, drug deals, gang fights, mob hangouts, Springsteen sightings, madam marie, CH, the Casino, Palace, old movie houses, old bars, springwood aveand on and on. To the current. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
