[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
I would love to see a Hard Rock, Asbury Park and a House of Blues, Asbury Park! Why? Every damned City I visit, that's where I either eat or go for the music! Atlantic City has BOTH! I've visited Hard Rock, Montreal, AC and N.O., ate last month in the HOB, AC! Music was so (volume), LOUD, but the food was excellent! You want to draw the 21 and older crowd? Build them and they will come! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AP also has a worldwide connection with the music biz. More people know about AP because of Bruce then anything else. Besides the boardwalk, it's our number one commodity, and at the same time the least realized commodity. Turning the entire redevelopment zone into an adult oriented entertainment zone, with places like the House of Blues etc, cool retro themed hotels, great restaurants and the like would put this city back on the map. I agree! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. They did line up at Wesley and N. Beach - sort of. Then they didn't know how to build or got delayed building. The delay enabled buyers to walk - except so far with the ESP. From the people I had showed the ESP to - many thought it was overpriced OR they didn't like the sales approach where they release x number of units per week or didn't have a price sheet for ALL the units. People were also told it will be construction zone, yes for the next few years or more Ditto for the Steinbach -different demo - but many felt it was and STILL is overpriced for what you get. Yes, it cheap compared to NYC - but this isn't NYC. Yes, cookman has a vibe, but can be deserted at 9pm during the week. Housing creates taxes, so does retail - size matters when it comes to taxes - except all those tax exempts. Eatontown has a home run when it comes to their tax base - Rt 35, Rt 35, Industrial Way east/west. Very few tax exempt properties given the size. AP has no large industrial park, retail center etc that generate a signifigant tax stream. Like collecting rent on land to make it simple. You NEVER own your land - the muni does as they can tax you til you move. THATS WHY the BOARDWALK has to be improved. The CASINO has to be reopened as does the PARAMOUNT. Next round of tax increases has to hit Convention Hall and Paramount as they are beginning to make use of the Paramount, the arcade, CH, the porches etc. They run a bar outside etc etc. The tax has to be increased. Casino will be taxed as well. All good. Let them maximize the sq ft for offices and retail - more tax $. Sunset Pav - get it renovated - more tax dollars as should all the pavs be taxed. They all generate revenue for the owners. Dan can make sense of where I'm going. TAX 'em. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Yeah, but aren't you walking a fine line there when it comes to taxes? Remember the exodus of people out of NJ because of the cost of living here? Isn't it a better idea to have a large scale industry, like entertainment which has tons of employees and patrons coming to spend money and pay taxes that way? Too much taxing might drive new business's away, or prevent others from even considering AP in the first place. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw lightgrw@ wrote: Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. They did line up at Wesley and N. Beach - sort of. Then they didn't know how to build or got delayed building. The delay enabled buyers to walk - except so far with the ESP. From the people I had showed the ESP to - many thought it was overpriced OR they didn't like the sales approach where they release x number of units per week or didn't have a price sheet for ALL the units. People were also told it will be construction zone, yes for the next few years or more Ditto for the Steinbach -different demo - but many felt it was and STILL is overpriced for what you get. Yes, it cheap compared to NYC - but this isn't NYC. Yes, cookman has a vibe, but can be deserted at 9pm during the week. Housing creates taxes, so does retail - size matters when it comes to taxes - except all those tax exempts. Eatontown has a home run when it comes to their tax base - Rt 35, Rt 35, Industrial Way east/west. Very few tax exempt properties given the size. AP has no large industrial park, retail center etc that generate a signifigant tax stream. Like collecting rent on land to make it simple. You NEVER own your land - the muni does as they can tax you til you move. THATS WHY the BOARDWALK has to be improved. The CASINO has to be reopened as does the PARAMOUNT. Next round of tax increases has to hit Convention Hall and Paramount as they are beginning to make use of the Paramount, the arcade, CH, the porches etc. They run a bar outside etc etc. The tax has to be increased. Casino will be taxed as well. All good. Let them maximize the sq ft for offices and retail - more tax $. Sunset Pav - get it renovated - more tax dollars as should all the pavs be taxed. They all generate revenue for the owners. Dan can make sense of where I'm going. TAX 'em. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure Werner can help me out with this one but isn't that a lot closer to the historical plans of a beach/tourist town? yes So what is the lure with all housing? Does it really bring in a ton of tax revenue - more than anything else? Because it sure seems like the places that have been built aren't exactly having people line up around the corner to live there. Many shore communities have switched to full residential uses. The only problem with that model is that the only source of revenue becomes residential real estate taxes. You can figure out the rest by yourself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan can make sense of where I'm going. TAX 'em. My second recommendation (already given) to the City after getting a new redevelopment attorney. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Many shore communities have switched to full residential uses. The only problem with that model is that the only source of revenue becomes residential real estate taxes. You can figure out the rest by yourself. What Dan is saying is look who's left to pay all the salaries of running the town. Look at Belmar. How much is Belmar loosing out with some oceanfront lots cleared or Main Street with lost ratables. Had eminent domain not been challenged in Belmar somewhat - there might be empty lots and huge salaries to carry. Guess who pays in Belmar - you. The state doesn't have to stop in every year and pay like in AP. So whose gonna pay now in AP - do you think dan really wants to pick up the tab cause the ESP hasn't come on line in 2006, 2007 or 2008, 2009 or Welsey Grove hasn't sold out? Tax liquor sales on the Boardwalk. 2% sales tax on booze. Will it stop anyone from buying. No. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tax liquor sales on the Boardwalk. 2% sales tax on booze. Will it stop anyone from buying. No. Sunshine, sand and water. What more do you need? What's the problem? Partners. If you just build the stuff for people to buy on the BW you will need a wider bw soon. Why no jet ski concession? Parasailing? kayaks? MM is doing what it can but it has a big nut to crack with Partners. The same old problem. What is the common denominator? Partners. Back to metro. I think dean's talk of working it out is bs, that or a ruse to renegotiate with partners. good luck on the latter. if you really think it would only take you a little while to work out, closing down and announcing was the worst thing in the world. for godsakes, you could have made an excuse tha the chinese were buying up all of the concrete and steel (which is almost true anyway). I say the lender gets the keys. The city should go in there and bull doze everything above ground. screw em. let them sue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
Considering the fact that in Pt. Pleasant, where the boardwalk is packed every single day during the summer, and people are paying way too much money for food, parking and everything else, I guess you are right. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but aren't you walking a fine line there when it comes to taxes? Nope. They have to carry their fair share. There is a fine line. How about an entertainment tax - like $1.00 per ticket at each venue. Do you ever pay attention to the payment you make to ticketmaster and the charges they sneak in? Taxes ARE a big problem and that's why the little guy has a hard time paying rent. It's Oceanfront. Don't feel bad if they pay a premium especially if they sell it for a premium. If you stack up 224 houses on top of each other, that creates taxes. Well, it could. If you pay $10 for a cosmo, do you complain and order another or $6.00 for a beer? or $30.00 for a steak and $6.00 for a coffee or $9.00 for a slice of cake? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
--- Point Pleasant would Werner's perfect example of what works - well almost. Point is PRIVATELY owned - not the entire boardwalk, but various parcels along the BW. Point also had a great fire at end of the season some years back. They got the aquarium as little as it. The same time period, AP had a shot at one. Blew it. And no, not the Jackson Cousteau thing. Point has kiddie rides. Point has rental housing. Point has motels. Point is clean. Point feels safe. Point has Martells. Point has Pepsi sponsoring. Point has entertainment. Point has weekly fireworks. AP has a bigger, wider BW. AP has major venues for events. AP has more parking. AP is closer to NYC. AP has the ocean (like point), same climate as Point, same sand as Pointso if your trying to entertain your kids for a whole summer, at least one destination is point. What do you want to do, bring your kid to AP and buy him a beer or a panni? No - you want them to suck down a nice greasy slice of pizza, fries and have a Kohrs. Then throw them on some rides or win a stuffed animal. Can't do it in AP. AP is the adult BW. surprised you have no one hawking beers like at a baseball game walking down the BW. At least they got rid of most of the tacky beer banners. At least AP now has mini golf and an arcade. I once wrote here what the get for rent (if you can get a concession). Point also has Kohrs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: restaurant row, entertainment district, business district vs condos
AP also has a worldwide connection with the music biz. More people know about AP because of Bruce then anything else. Besides the boardwalk, it's our number one commodity, and at the same time the least realized commodity. Turning the entire redevelopment zone into an adult oriented entertainment zone, with places like the House of Blues etc, cool retro themed hotels, great restaurants and the like would put this city back on the map. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Point Pleasant would Werner's perfect example of what works - well almost. Point is PRIVATELY owned - not the entire boardwalk, but various parcels along the BW. Point also had a great fire at end of the season some years back. They got the aquarium as little as it. The same time period, AP had a shot at one. Blew it. And no, not the Jackson Cousteau thing. Point has kiddie rides. Point has rental housing. Point has motels. Point is clean. Point feels safe. Point has Martells. Point has Pepsi sponsoring. Point has entertainment. Point has weekly fireworks. AP has a bigger, wider BW. AP has major venues for events. AP has more parking. AP is closer to NYC. AP has the ocean (like point), same climate as Point, same sand as Pointso if your trying to entertain your kids for a whole summer, at least one destination is point. What do you want to do, bring your kid to AP and buy him a beer or a panni? No - you want them to suck down a nice greasy slice of pizza, fries and have a Kohrs. Then throw them on some rides or win a stuffed animal. Can't do it in AP. AP is the adult BW. surprised you have no one hawking beers like at a baseball game walking down the BW. At least they got rid of most of the tacky beer banners. At least AP now has mini golf and an arcade. I once wrote here what the get for rent (if you can get a concession). Point also has Kohrs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
