Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
First off, it's not a handful of cyclists. There are quite a few of us who enjoy riding on the boardwalk. I've never seen a single incident involving a pedestrian and bicyclist. I have however, seen bicyclist's have troubles with cars, particularly at night. It is absolutely absurd to think that I can't ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm, when there is hardly anybody to contend with, and even if there were, in my experience the vast majority of cyclists are both responsible and courteous. Even worse, I can't imagine how AP would be willing to dedicate police resources to enforce this while at the same time my neighborhood is overrun with prostitutes, drunks and drug dealers. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm sorry, but I disagree about the bicycles. Have you ever been to Wildwood? They have a similar boardwalk to our own, which has a dedicated bike lane. Same goes for the area in Los Angeles known as The Strand. You can't tell me that cycling and pedestrians don't mix in those places, because they have for decades. You're also making an assumption about the responsibility of the cyclists by branding all of us as a potential risk. I guess the problem here is if you're a non-cyclist, you don't know the joy you are missing. As an avid cyclist having worked a good 10 years of my life at The Peddler in Long Branch, I know all about the up's and downs of cycling, and what you may fail to realize is by creating such a huge cycling ban in AP, which includes the entire night, you are forcing us cyclists to contend with the potholes and drivers...and even worse there are quite a few drunken drivers at night in AP. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Personally, I'd just like to be able to ride my bike after dark on the boardwalk, when there's hardly anybody there to contend with. I read on here somewhere that the ban is due to some kind of gang activity, and if that's the fact then it's sad that the good guys/girls have to suffer because of a handful of gang members. Honestly, I just want what's best for everybody. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm looking at all this from afar, and I can understand how sometimes rules have to be made in order to prevent the potentialabuse of a situation by even one person. Life is full of rules like that, and it harkens back to what is so often said by teachers in school--"It's a shame that one ofyou has to spoil it for all the rest." If Asbury really does become a busy place, I can see where at one point people (both tourists and residents of all of the proposed condos) fighting for right of way on the boardwalk, and enforcing things now seems to me to be a wise decision.Why can't they make some kind of bicycle lane, similar to the Pinellas trail in Florida, or the bicycle lanes in Germany? I have lived in all three places, andthis seems to me like a reasonablealternative to a total ban. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
How about a separate trail altogether? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Had a wacky computer moment...how about a trail that runs from town to town along the ocean. I used to walk from Asbury to Belmar. A bicycle trail would be great, where you could actually go places. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
YES WILDWOOD HAS A DEDICATED BIKE LANE ON THE BOARDWALK. YOU MAY RIDE UNTIL 11AM WEEKDAYS AND 1030AM ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
IV'E HAD A LITTLE GIRL RUN DOWN BUT FORTUNATLY NOT INJURED. DAY OF THE ASBURY 5K 2004. __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I would never use a bike lane that shares the street with cars in this country. Drivers are just not aware of bikes the way that they are in Europe. In Italy, everyone shares the street, but of course, there are mostly scooters there, and few bikes. Drivers are accustomed too being aware of everything while they drive. In Germany, there is a specially colored part of the sidewalkfor bikes, so they do not mingle with cars for the most part.And cyclists have to obey all of the traffic signals, and keep their bikes up to code with headlights and reflectors. In Pinellas County, FL, there is a trail that spans several towns, and you can actually travel to places without a car. It is open to both pedestrians and bikes. It even goes through woods and over highways! I just think that a trail along the shore would be really cool. Much the same it would allow people to go from town to town without mingling with cars which isdeadly and who needs the carbon monoxide? __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR GERMANY AND EUROPE AS A WHOLE, BUT ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE, AND COULD THEIR RULES OF LAW ON JUVINILE PROSECUTION BE THE REASON YOU ARE ABLE TO PERCIEVE THEIR CIVILIZED APPROACH TO BIKING. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
BIKES GOT TO GO WERNER! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Exactly. Your's is the kind of thinking we need. I'm fully prepared to continue to be attacked about this. Bring it on. But, I just want to say one thing. I agree that bicycles aren't respected like they are in Europe. Is it impossible to change that here in the USA? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] RE: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Marc, I have raised the topic of a bike lane on the boardwalk with both our City Manager and the Director of Public Works. I hope to have some clarity on this soon after my taking office on July 1st. Peace, JWK Jim Keady AP Councilman-Elect 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 www.cityofasburypark.com -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chooseorlose3636 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:57 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] RE: Bikes on the Boardwalk Hi All, I'm more of a reader on this board than a poster, but I just wanted to bring something up that makes no sense to me. Last night, my wife and I went for a bike ride on the boardwalk and one of Fishman's workers yelled at us for riding our bikes through the casino. Now we would be more than happy to ride on the street, but it's under construction. This guy had no clue. Does anyone know what the rules are? Why would you stop the bikers who spend money on the boardwalk? Shops will close down and we will then be back to square one. Who will spend money at the shops? The crack heads at Howard Johnson? I bike lane would be great, but the current construction prevents this on the street. Any thoughts or feedback? Marc Elia 4th Ave Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
