Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Law,....
Moved to asburypolitics : Message: Disambiguation: 11/21 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/message/1247 or http://tinyurl.com/5eul7u In a message dated 11/20/2008 11:46:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now you can move on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not always about you, Tommy. **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Law,....
Really awful? Really? Awful? On Nov 20, 2008, at 2:27 PM, oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw that. That's really awful. Well - I'm off to the vegan restaurant to insist they cook me a cheeseburger. Or I'll sue. Thanks. that's the way I see it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/20/2008 4:15:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or is it that all PR? I figured Tommy would run with it. meanwhile, the market sucked out another 444 points === Yeah but a few folks I know who had Budweiser stock made big bucks when Bud merged with InBev this week. Received their checks already and made up for all their 401(k) losses. **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Gay parades do let straight people march. EHarmony wasn't specifically a straight services until confronted with gay clients. Your parallels are forced. Dating in and of itself, is not straight or gay. Nazi parades proscribe their meaning in there name and function. As does Kwanzaa. As does Vegan. Dating per se, does not. (Sidebar: Why is The Right so obsessed with NAMBLA? They mention this group more than anyone else.) On Nov 20, 2008, at 3:48 PM, justifiedright wrote: John, Sometimes you have to look not at the case facts, but the precedent instead. Sometimes a good result to a sympathetic underdog can actually mean a lot of undesired results for others. That's the part that is awful. At play here is a less often spoken of part of the 1st Amendment (but no less important): Freedom of Association. Should the Pride Parade be forced by the Government to let NAMBLA march? Should we force the Kwanzaa ceremony to open itself up to people of European descent (the services and celebrations are; taking part in the ceremony is forbidden)? Nazi's can march in Skokie in their own parade, but should the government force Jews to allow Nazi's to march in their parade? Should a vegan restaurant, open to the public, be forced to serve food I desire more than vegan? When private people want to get together with like minded people privately, the government shouldn't interfere. Sometimes the bigger picture gets lost when we start rooting for a sympathetic underdog. Also lost here is eHarmony spent much time and money doing research on the compatibility of men and women. They made themselves knowledgable in the field. They haven't studied male/male compatibility (while I'm sure some of it transfers, aren't there also some unique issues?). It's like ordering a heart surgeon to do brain surgery. He doesn't know the field. I thought the goal was to keep others and the government out of gay bedrooms. Why insist eHarmony come in? I did a post at www.justifiedright.com --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really awful? Really? Awful? On Nov 20, 2008, at 2:27 PM, oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I saw that. That's really awful. Well - I'm off to the vegan restaurant to insist they cook me a cheeseburger. Or I'll sue. Thanks. that's the way I see it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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GayPatriot is a self-hating conservative, so of course he agrees with you. On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:43 PM, justifiedright wrote: Actually, the reason eHarmony attorney Ted Olson gave for the settlement was the uncertainty of outcomes when you go to trial or words to that affect. That's being forced. It's like putting a gun to someone's head to sign a contract, and after he signs, it, saying Well I he chose to do it rather than getting shot, so he settled. We didn't force him. He could have chosen to get shot. GayPatriot agrees with me: http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/11/20/eharmony-forced-to-provide- same-sex-dating-services/ By the way: California just certified a Class Action Lawsuit by gays in that state against eHarmony. Since eHarmony is already providing the new service, that suit is going to be about money. eHarmony wouldn't find them boyfriends, so they should get paid money. Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/20/2008 3:18:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes the courts go beyond fair and reasonable. From Above the Law dot com (This site provides news and gossip about the professionâs most colorful personalities and powerful institutions, as well as original commentary on breaking legal developments.): Of course, the state isn't forcing eHarmony to do any of this. Ah, the beauty of settlements: better informed than voters, less annoying than judges. === From what I can gather: Since eHarmony disassociated itself from James Dobson's Focus on the Family a while ago, they decided on the settlement rather than testing in the courts. They weren't forced. Looks like they just made a pragmatic choice. Founder Neil Warren has wanted to broaden his company's commercial appeal and grow out of the conservative community in which it started. He's been reconsidering since 2005. In the meantime, he said, We have to get real civil with one another. http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2005/06/10/warren/ **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/ 10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/? optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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No: They are GAYdate by name. On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:56 PM, oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what about gaydate.com ? should they be forced to show man seeking woman or woman seeking man Or because the word gay is there enough... This is all Tommy's area. I was just looking at it from the Internet side and the words or owner's intent of a publication. What about the hispanics or or or or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Citing GayPatriot as agreeing with you doesn't move the conversation along, either. On Nov 20, 2008, at 5:23 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GayPatriot is a self-hating conservative, so of course he agrees with you. We were actually having a nice discussion, and I was enjoying actually doing that with you. Why go to name calling and allegations of prejudice? Just doesn't move the discussion along at all. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Go for it. On Nov 20, 2008, at 5:24 PM, justifiedright wrote: So John you think the law turns on what one puts in the name? So if I opened an bar called White's Only that would be OK? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No: They are GAYdate by name. On Nov 20, 2008, at 4:56 PM, oakdorf wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: So what about gaydate.com ? should they be forced to show man seeking woman or woman seeking man Or because the word gay is there enough... This is all Tommy's area. I was just looking at it from the Internet side and the words or owner's intent of a publication. What about the hispanics or or or or [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/20/2008 4:44:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's being forced. GayPatriot agrees with me: == I'll stick with founder Warren as a primary source, not weak analogies, as the basis of my assumption. He was torn on the issue in 2005 and decided to be pragmatic in 2008.http://tinyurl.com/55j8x6 Excerpts: He was certainly aware of the stain political involvement could have on his business as he continues to expand it. And he wasn't shy about bringing it upI have a lot of respect for a lot that goes on in Focus on the Family, he said. Where I get nervous is when people think we're political like Focus on the Family. I love the spirit with which you make that point, he said thoughtfully. And we do do a lot of talking about how we love the idea of being inclusive. He paused again, sounding slightly shaken. It's just not an easy point! Warren brought up his best friend's daughter, a lesbian who has two children with her partner. She's a dear person to us, and a very strong spiritual person, he said. And when I start seeing things like that, I think we've got to start to think about that maybe this can work. **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It's not always about you, Tommy. Neil Warren is the founder of eharmony, and I quoted his words from an interview which provides some perspective to the settlement. Not to play Whack-a-Mole with you in a hornet's nest of baiting and charges about sappiness, recklessness, prejudice, false claims, obscuring issues, and just how awful this (non AP) news story is. Moving on. In a message dated 11/20/2008 9:37:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren brought up his best friend's daughter, a lesbian who has two children with her partner. She's a dear person to us, and a very strong spiritual person, he said. And when I start seeing things like that, I think we've got to start to think about that maybe this can work. Sappiness will get you nowhere with me. I can be 100% for the equality of gays and to completly equalize marriage (I think you know from past writings that is true of me). But if I guy has studied male-female relationships and has a product based on that knowledge, it's reckless of the government to force him to sell the product to two people he has not studied how to help. Prejudice is a sharp weapon. False claims of prejudice is just as sharp of a weapon, not to mention that it obscures issues. Yahoo! Groups Links **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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...it's reckless of the government to force him to sell the product to two people he has not studied how to help. Oh, please. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
