[Assam] The Invisible War - Outlook India
This is a good read - specially for those who keep singing praises of fringe elements who seem hell bent in weakening India. It does seem that anything, and I mean anything that shows India in bad light is like manna from the heavens for some people. In their intense search for those elusive justifications as to why Assam ought to get independence they piggy-back on any frivolous, meaningless, and often unconnected reason. They probably think 'ah! one more nail in coffin'. --Ram (highlights in blue mine) Web| Jan 17, 2007 Opinion *The Invisible War * *Some worry about Islamist terrorism. Others about Left extremism. Yet others about separatist violence. But the endgame for all terrorists is the same. It is to weaken, destabilize and break- up India... * RAJINDER PURI India is in the midst of an invisible war. It is an unrecognized war. The government tinkers with terrorism in various fronts. The enemy continues to advance. Last year the enemy struck at many points. In Kashmir the terrorists killed 517 civilians and security personnel; in Assam, 131; in Manipur 132; in Nagaland 10; in Tripura 30; in Uttar Pradesh, 21; in Maharashtra, 240. Maoists and Naxalites killed 394. During 2006, terrorists are said to have killed 1492 civilians and security personnel. Security forces killed 1273 terrorists. In all 2765 people were killed. The actual figure could be higher. Bomb blasts terrorized major metropolitan cities. In Ahmednagar district of Maharashtra, police discovered huge catches of crude RDX bombs for nationwide distribution. In Andhra Pradesh over a thousand rockets manufactured in Tamil Nadu were discovered. These were sufficient to arm all the left extremist groups of India. Some worry about Islamist terrorism. Others about Left extremism. Yet others about separatist violence. But the endgame for all terrorists is the same. It is to weaken, destabilize and break-up India. As 2007 dawned two events attracted attention. A Lashkar terrorist from Kashmir was arrested in Bangalore with RDX explosives. He came to target the Bangalore airport, Wipro and Infosys. What on earth does a so-called Kashmiri separatist have to do with the IT businesses of Bangalore? His natural target should have been crowded public places. *Then there were ULFA attacks in Assam targeting migrant labour from Bihar and Bengal. Over 60 victims died. Clearly the aim was to provoke Bihar and Bengal to retaliate and create inter-state clashes. What better prescription to break up India?* All these diverse terrorist groups propagate different causes but serve the same purpose. They look like tentacles controlled by a single head. So where is the head? Experts may theorize as they wish. But consider this. Yossef Bodansky was the Director of the Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare of the U.S. Congress. In the mid-1990s he prepared a carefully researched and meticulously detailed 20,000-word official note entitled *China's Surge in the Malacca Straits*. It dealt with the strategy of China's Peoples' Liberation Army (PLA) to destabilize Southeast Asian countries. The PLA sought leverage over their governments to secure for China control of the strategic Straits of Malacca. All shipments for the Far East from West Asia, including oil, must pass through Malacca. In Bodansky's background paper, the references to India are incidental. But the following excerpts from it merit consideration. Bodansky wrote: The case of the Islamist terrorism in and around the Straits of Malacca is a classic case of the true meaning of state-sponsored terrorism. In this specific case, the Islamist subversion of several countries is intensified because of the strategic interests of a third party-- the Peoples Republic of China-- and, to a lesser extent, of its close allies. However, it is the close allies-- Pakistan and Iran-- who bear the brunt of the sponsorship of, and support for the terrorist escalation. They do so more because of the strategic calculations concerning China than having vital interests in the Far East. Indeed, Iran and Pakistan soon transformed Thailand into a safe haven for Islamist terrorists for the entire East Asia. And further: Beijing urged Islamabad to escalate the subversion of eastern India. The ISI did not need too much prodding. With support from Beijing, the ISI expanded operations from vastly expanded camps in both Burma and Bangladesh as of the fall of 1993. The ISI terrorism support infrastructure in Bangladesh not only supplies and trains on China-made weapons and explosives, but the Bangladeshi military officers, acting as instructors had received special commando and mountain warfare training in China. The deployment of these assets has increased markedly since the fall of 1994. It is not by accident that the first action in the long awaited escalation of terrorism in eastern India was the bombing of an Indian troops' train in India's northeastern state of Assam in late February 1995. The bombs
Re: [Assam] On India’s Growing Violenc e: ‘It’s Outright War and Both S ides are Choosing Their Weapons’ (from ZNet)
Come on Rajib, at least give it an attempt at a rebuttal; if you see something
that is untrue, incorrect interpretation, subversive motives or otherwise
untenable; would you?
Dismissing her as 'out of her mind' might give you a feeling of superiority - a
typical response of those who cannot articulate a thought, but persuades no
one. You oght not to join that crowd :-). It merely reaffirms the bitter truths
of Indian misgovernment and its intelligentsia's irrelevance.
Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As usual the woman is out of her mind! She rails for
railing's sake!
In one single interview, she cannot keep her
ideological position constant. Unless being anti
something (in her case, her perception of India) can
be called an ideology.
I hear she is getting out of political writing /
speaking and into doing another book. Good for her -
Great for us!
And how dare she not mention the glorious struggles in
Assam - after mentioning the Maoists, Kashmir - even
Nagaland!
--- Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [Assam] On India’s Growing Violenc e: ‘It’s Outright War and Both S ides are Choosing Their Weapons’ (from ZNet)
Ram:
WHAT exactly did you find here that has any substance? Does the blogger rebut
or debunk anything AR speaks about?
All it proves is that what AR exposes gives him heart-burn.
Why should anyone get heart-burn over truths that we all know about?
For ONLY one reason: They would rather not see their nationali dirty laundry
aired. More so when it is shown to those whose approval they so seek-- namely
the West's.
Thus, their bitter denouncements of AR's purported western outlooks.
Why is her 'western' outlook so repulsive?
Because those with 'Indian' outlook s would not notice the conditions she
exposes. For them it is par for the course. Isn't that the reason?
If you asked me, it only underscores what AR points out.
c-da
Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For some cynical views on AR see link
http://cynical-nerd.nationalinterest.in/?p=48
And this portion also from the same blog.
Arundhati Roy is intellectually dishonest. She received the Booker prize
from Britain a few years back. That provided her with the international
platform to spout her radical left-wing views. She addresses sleek
conferences in Europe, North America, Australia and South Africa. She
resides in plush hotels while traveling across continents to participate in
various conferences sponsored by western NGO largess.
She highlights the social contradictions in the Indian polity in
international fora. This, by itself, is not wrong except for the fact that
it is a selective critique of post-independence India. Born into an elite
family, she can afford the luxury of criticizing India in overseas seminars
while doing little by way of actual work in addressing the root causes of
Indian poverty. Her's is the easy way out - to write on simple issues, to
polemicize and offer no constructive penetrative critique that entails
implementable solutions.
I would add that the Marxism is a cover in her instance unlike the
Naxalites. Arundhati is deeply western in everything she does and believes.
There is nothing wrong in that once again except for the fact that her
Marxist facade is a lie. Her lifestyle and inordinate need to consort with
the west proves it. She is a western NGO-financed limousine leftist, not a
true hands-on social activist like Swami Agnivesh - also from the left.
This is intellectual sophistry at its worst. She becomes irrelevant when you
freeze her from access to international colloquia and the radical circuit in
the west.
On 3/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come on Rajib, at least give it an attempt at a rebuttal; if you see
something that is untrue, incorrect interpretation, subversive motives or
otherwise untenable; would you?
Dismissing her as 'out of her mind' might give you a feeling of
superiority - a typical response of those who cannot articulate a thought,
but persuades no one. You oght not to join that crowd :-). It merely
reaffirms the bitter truths of Indian misgovernment and its intelligentsia's
irrelevance.
Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As usual the woman is out of her mind! She rails for
railing's sake!
In one single interview, she cannot keep her
ideological position constant. Unless being anti
something (in her case, her perception of India) can
be called an ideology.
I hear she is getting out of political writing /
speaking and into doing another book. Good for her -
Great for us!
And how dare she not mention the glorious struggles in
Assam - after mentioning the Maoists, Kashmir - even
Nagaland!
--- Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Bolivia's Morales
Road Map Overtaken
Peace, Democracy,
Iraq?
Most Recent
From Arundhati Roy
Breaking
the News
'And His Life Should Become Extinct'
India and the U.S.
A Fury Building Up Across
India
Bush in India: Just Not Welcome
by
Arundhati Roy and Shoma Chaudhury
Tehelka
March 26, 2007
The following is an interview with Arundhati Roy,
Re: [Assam] Engineering College for Dhemaji-- Two Versions of a Letter to The Sentinel
Chandan: Good that you wrote and it got published. Reading your description, I got the feeling that a place like Dhemaji may need more than an Engineering College. What about ITI type Diploma schools where students will learn various skills. Do they have such schools.? I wish some Dhemajians like Buljit would write a report with such basic needs for generation of employment. Rajen _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chan Mahanta Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:42 PM To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: [Assam] Engineering College for Dhemaji-- Two Versions of a Letter to The Sentinel The following letter was published in The Sentinel. That was a pleasant surprise :-), considering past experience. But the not so pleasant surprise was their Editor's changes as in: Assam to Asom Xiboxagor to Sivasagar Appalling to appealing ( a complete reversal of meaning) Probaxi Oxomiya to Prabasi Asomiya Rural Volunteer Center to 'rural volunteer centre' But I guess one ought to count one's blessing and not look a gift horse in the mouth :-). cm Engineering College for Dhemaji I am writing in reference to the news about Dhemaji's aspiration to be the home of a proposed government-run engineering college in Asom (The Sentinel, March 12, 2007). I am originally from the district of Sivasagar and never had been to the north bank of the Brahmaputra until November 2005, when I travelled through Dhemaji to Silapathar as an emissary of the US-based Prabasi Asomiya charitable organization, UAONA, in support of the rural volunteer centre and its constructive efforts on behalf of the extremely deprived people of the region. Having grown up in rural Asom, I have seen the face of poverty, lack of even the most basic of public amenities in every sphere of life; not to mention the absence of such essential infrastructure as roadways, power, communication - you just name it. But what I saw in the Dhemaji area was appealing even by my low expectations born out of decades of governmental ineffectiveness and unresponsiveness to the people's needs. The national highway that runs through the area is nothing less than a national shame. This condition of the area should have been brought to the attention of people in positions of responsibility, influence and power long ago. It is with these facts in mind that I strongly support the Dhemaji area's demand to be the home of the proposed engineering college. The more developed areas of Assam owe it to the people of this severely neglected segment of their State. Chandan K Mahanta, St Louis, USA. (Letter to Editor,The Sentinel,25.03.2007) But look at the version that I actually sent to the paper: March 19, 2007 To: The Editor, The Sentinel, Guwahati, Assam Re: Engineering college a distant dream for Dhemaji Dear Editor, I am writing in reference to the news published in your paper on March 12 about Dhemaji's aspirations to be the home of a proposed government run Engineering College in Assam. I am originally from the district of Xiboxagor, and never had been to the North Bank, until November of 2005, when I travelled through Dhemaji to Silapathar as an emissary of an USA based Probaxi Oxomiya charitable organization, UAONA, in support of the Rural Volunteer Center and its many constructive efforts on behalf of the extremely deprived people of the region. Having grown up in rural Assam I had seen a lot of poverty, lack of even the most basic of public amenities in every sphere of life; not to mention absence of such essential infrastructure as roadways, power, communication; you name it. But what I saw at the Dhemaji area was appalling even by my low expectations born out of decades of governmental ineffectiveness and unresponsiveness to the people's needs. The National Highway that runs through the area is nothing less than a National Shame. Too bad, few, if any bring these conditions to the attention of people in positions of responsibility, influence and power. It is with these conditions in mind, I strongly support the Dhemaji area's demand to be the home of the proposed Engineering College. The more developed areas of Assam owe it to the people of this severely neglected segment of their state. Sincerely Yours, Chandan K. Mahanta St. Louis, USA ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] On India’s Growing Violenc e: ‘It’s Outright War and Both S ides are Choosing Their Weapons’ (from ZNet)
Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, WHAT exactly did you find here that has any substance? Does the blogger rebut or debunk anything AR speaks about? The blogger is but one example. But lets get some other views here: Dr. Jagdish Bhagwati of Columbia (a portion from the interview with Shekar Gupta, Indian Express): *What about the other two, Arundhati Roy and Chomsky?* I think Arundhati Roy is just... *You wouldn't like your book to be reviewed by one of them.* I would love to see what they have to say. But Chomsky is the only serious person there because Chomsky is the world's greatest linguist. He is a man who is known for his intelligence and ability and invariably you get arguments you can put your teeth into. Most of the time I do disagree but he's really an intellectual. Arundhati Roy is unfortunately...unfortunate because she's our compatriot and she's written one very fine novel as you know...but her conclusions are far more obvious than her arguments and that makes it impossible to function. You don't know where to begin or where to end. Stiglitz is really more worried about the IMF's policies which are not of great relevance to us. Here is another from the Telegraph http://www.telegraphindia.com/1030507/asp/frontpage/story_1945565.asp (building their home in protected forest land ) That she is definitely Anti-American can be vouched by people like Stanley Kurtz ( House Subcommittee on Select Education for Hearings on International Education and Questions of Bias June 19, 2003) from the Hoover Institute: (bold mine) The authors assigned in that workshop included *Arundhati Roy*, Robert Fisk, and Tariq Ali, all known as bitter critics of American foreign policy. More than that, Said and these other authors have been widely cited for purveying a viewpoint that betrays an extreme animus to the United States itself. *The Columbia Journalism Review cited Arundhati Roy, for example, as a prime example of an anti-American writer*. Liberal author Ian Buruma, writing in The New Republic, published a review of Roy's work entitled, The Anti-American. (Roy's title-essay from the book reviewed by Buruma was assigned in the U. C. Santa Barbara course.) *Even leftist author Tod Gitlin, in the left-leaning magazine, Mother Jones, called Arundhati Roy anti-American.* ** Basically, C'da, we all know she is an accomplished author, and an intellectual. This is hardly a question of heart burns and dirty laundry - here you see, Indians, the West, intellectuals, left wing authors, and others soundly dismissing her as yet another kook. Unfortunately, C'da - all the glitters is not gold (at least in AR's case) :) Incidently, AR was born in Assam (in oppulence). He father was in some Chaa-bagan. No harm here - but just to put things in perspective :) --Ram On 3/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: WHAT exactly did you find here that has any substance? Does the blogger rebut or debunk anything AR speaks about? All it proves is that what AR exposes gives him heart-burn. Why should anyone get heart-burn over truths that we all know about? For ONLY one reason: They would rather not see their nationali dirty laundry aired. More so when it is shown to those whose approval they so seek-- namely the West's. Thus, their bitter denouncements of AR's purported western outlooks. Why is her 'western' outlook so repulsive? Because those with 'Indian' outlook s would not notice the conditions she exposes. For them it is par for the course. Isn't that the reason? If you asked me, it only underscores what AR points out. c-da Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some cynical views on AR see link http://cynical-nerd.nationalinterest.in/?p=48 And this portion also from the same blog. Arundhati Roy is intellectually dishonest. She received the Booker prize from Britain a few years back. That provided her with the international platform to spout her radical left-wing views. She addresses sleek conferences in Europe, North America, Australia and South Africa. She resides in plush hotels while traveling across continents to participate in various conferences sponsored by western NGO largess. She highlights the social contradictions in the Indian polity in international fora. This, by itself, is not wrong except for the fact that it is a selective critique of post-independence India. Born into an elite family, she can afford the luxury of criticizing India in overseas seminars while doing little by way of actual work in addressing the root causes of Indian poverty. Her's is the easy way out - to write on simple issues, to polemicize and offer no constructive penetrative critique that entails implementable solutions. I would add that the Marxism is a cover in her instance unlike the Naxalites. Arundhati is deeply western in everything she does and believes. There is nothing wrong in that once again except for the fact that
Re: [Assam] On India’s Growing Violenc e: ‘It’s Outright War and Both S ides are Choosing Their Weapons’ (from ZNet)
Ram: It still amounts to nothing. Different people attacking/criticizing the MESSENGER , without specifically addressing the issues she raises. If Bhagawati can or the others can address the issues she raises, and rebuts her analyses or criticisma, that would mean something. Otherwise it is nothing more than heart-burn. That simple. c-da Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, WHAT exactly did you find here that has any substance? Does the blogger rebut or debunk anything AR speaks about? The blogger is but one example. But lets get some other views here: Dr. Jagdish Bhagwati of Columbia (a portion from the interview with Shekar Gupta, Indian Express): *What about the other two, Arundhati Roy and Chomsky?* I think Arundhati Roy is just... *You wouldn't like your book to be reviewed by one of them.* I would love to see what they have to say. But Chomsky is the only serious person there because Chomsky is the world's greatest linguist. He is a man who is known for his intelligence and ability and invariably you get arguments you can put your teeth into. Most of the time I do disagree but he's really an intellectual. Arundhati Roy is unfortunately...unfortunate because she's our compatriot and she's written one very fine novel as you know...but her conclusions are far more obvious than her arguments and that makes it impossible to function. You don't know where to begin or where to end. Stiglitz is really more worried about the IMF's policies which are not of great relevance to us. Here is another from the Telegraph http://www.telegraphindia.com/1030507/asp/frontpage/story_1945565.asp (building their home in protected forest land ) That she is definitely Anti-American can be vouched by people like Stanley Kurtz ( House Subcommittee on Select Education for Hearings on International Education and Questions of Bias June 19, 2003) from the Hoover Institute: (bold mine) The authors assigned in that workshop included *Arundhati Roy*, Robert Fisk, and Tariq Ali, all known as bitter critics of American foreign policy. More than that, Said and these other authors have been widely cited for purveying a viewpoint that betrays an extreme animus to the United States itself. *The Columbia Journalism Review cited Arundhati Roy, for example, as a prime example of an anti-American writer*. Liberal author Ian Buruma, writing in The New Republic, published a review of Roy's work entitled, The Anti-American. (Roy's title-essay from the book reviewed by Buruma was assigned in the U. C. Santa Barbara course.) *Even leftist author Tod Gitlin, in the left-leaning magazine, Mother Jones, called Arundhati Roy anti-American.* ** Basically, C'da, we all know she is an accomplished author, and an intellectual. This is hardly a question of heart burns and dirty laundry - here you see, Indians, the West, intellectuals, left wing authors, and others soundly dismissing her as yet another kook. Unfortunately, C'da - all the glitters is not gold (at least in AR's case) :) Incidently, AR was born in Assam (in oppulence). He father was in some Chaa-bagan. No harm here - but just to put things in perspective :) --Ram On 3/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: WHAT exactly did you find here that has any substance? Does the blogger rebut or debunk anything AR speaks about? All it proves is that what AR exposes gives him heart-burn. Why should anyone get heart-burn over truths that we all know about? For ONLY one reason: They would rather not see their nationali dirty laundry aired. More so when it is shown to those whose approval they so seek-- namely the West's. Thus, their bitter denouncements of AR's purported western outlooks. Why is her 'western' outlook so repulsive? Because those with 'Indian' outlook s would not notice the conditions she exposes. For them it is par for the course. Isn't that the reason? If you asked me, it only underscores what AR points out. c-da Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some cynical views on AR see link http://cynical-nerd.nationalinterest.in/?p=48 And this portion also from the same blog. Arundhati Roy is intellectually dishonest. She received the Booker prize from Britain a few years back. That provided her with the international platform to spout her radical left-wing views. She addresses sleek conferences in Europe, North America, Australia and South Africa. She resides in plush hotels while traveling across continents to participate in various conferences sponsored by western NGO largess. She highlights the social contradictions in the Indian polity in international fora. This, by itself, is not wrong except for the fact that it is a selective critique of post-independence India. Born into an elite family, she can afford the luxury of criticizing India in overseas seminars while doing little by way of actual work in addressing the root causes of Indian poverty. Her's is the
Re: Re: [Assam] On India���s Growing Violence: ��It���s Outright War and Both Sides are Choosing Their Weapons��� (from ZNet)
C-da,
I was afraid you would point out the obvious - I did
not provide a rebuttal and willingly so.
Her consistent ideological inconsistency is where I
see the problem. Does it really need a rebuttal to
point out that she glorifies the Naxals and says they
are probably not an answer to her perception of
India's problems but she would support them anyway.
She rails against Salva Judum - brushes it off without
even giving it a wee bit of a sentence as to how it
came about. Incidentally, Salva Judum was a byproduct
of Naxalite violence not the other way round.
She paints a dark vision of India's greed - yet we do
not need a historian (or an economist) to point out
that greed is what drove nations to level the playing
field for the largest sections of society wherever it
has been possible to do so in known history. She does
not want India to be greedy but yet rails against
endemic poverty in India. She evidently does not even
believe in the failed - rather disastrous -
alternative experiments of the ideological brothers of
the Naxalites that she supports. She also dismisses
Gandhi's struggle. So what does she believe in?
In every such country, that greed brought problems in
its wake - problems that the society solved over time
not always to everyone's satisfaction. If she has a
newer alternative, she needs to spell that out - not
rail against the world.
While she constructs her words well, Arundhati Roy's
veneer of logic is pretty thin almost always. She
would have been taken more seriously as a thinker
otherwise.
Rajib
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come on Rajib, at least give it an attempt at a
rebuttal; if you see something that is untrue,
incorrect interpretation, subversive motives or
otherwise untenable; would you?
Dismissing her as 'out of her mind' might give you a
feeling of superiority - a typical response of those
who cannot articulate a thought, but persuades no
one. You oght not to join that crowd :-). It merely
reaffirms the bitter truths of Indian misgovernment
and its intelligentsia's irrelevance.
Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As usual the woman is out of her mind! She rails
for
railing's sake!
In one single interview, she cannot keep her
ideological position constant. Unless being anti
something (in her case, her perception of India)
can
be called an ideology.
I hear she is getting out of political writing /
speaking and into doing another book. Good for her
-
Great for us!
And how dare she not mention the glorious
struggles in
Assam - after mentioning the Maoists, Kashmir -
even
Nagaland!
--- Chandan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-
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Re: Re: [Assam] On India���s Growing Violence: ��It���s Outright War and Both Sides are Choosing Their Weapons��� (from ZNet)
Ms. Roy would like to see an instant paradise in India but has no clue how to
steer India to that paradise. Also writers like her make a living by
criticizing everyone and everything around her. So why should she slow down her
writing if it hurts her pocketbook?
If her criticism was constructive, she would have been taken seriously. Many
authors like her believe that acerbic words get people's attention.
=
Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C-da,
I was afraid you would point out the obvious - I did
not provide a rebuttal and willingly so.
Her consistent ideological inconsistency is where I
see the problem. Does it really need a rebuttal to
point out that she glorifies the Naxals and says they
are probably not an answer to her perception of
India's problems but she would support them anyway.
She rails against Salva Judum - brushes it off without
even giving it a wee bit of a sentence as to how it
came about. Incidentally, Salva Judum was a byproduct
of Naxalite violence not the other way round.
She paints a dark vision of India's greed - yet we do
not need a historian (or an economist) to point out
that greed is what drove nations to level the playing
field for the largest sections of society wherever it
has been possible to do so in known history. She does
not want India to be greedy but yet rails against
endemic poverty in India. She evidently does not even
believe in the failed - rather disastrous -
alternative experiments of the ideological brothers of
the Naxalites that she supports. She also dismisses
Gandhi's struggle. So what does she believe in?
In every such country, that greed brought problems in
its wake - problems that the society solved over time
not always to everyone's satisfaction. If she has a
newer alternative, she needs to spell that out - not
rail against the world.
While she constructs her words well, Arundhati Roy's
veneer of logic is pretty thin almost always. She
would have been taken more seriously as a thinker
otherwise.
Rajib
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come on Rajib, at least give it an attempt at a
rebuttal; if you see something that is untrue,
incorrect interpretation, subversive motives or
otherwise untenable; would you?
Dismissing her as 'out of her mind' might give you a
feeling of superiority - a typical response of those
who cannot articulate a thought, but persuades no
one. You oght not to join that crowd :-). It merely
reaffirms the bitter truths of Indian misgovernment
and its intelligentsia's irrelevance.
Rajib Das wrote:
As usual the woman is out of her mind! She rails
for
railing's sake!
In one single interview, she cannot keep her
ideological position constant. Unless being anti
something (in her case, her perception of India)
can
be called an ideology.
I hear she is getting out of political writing /
speaking and into doing another book. Good for her
-
Great for us!
And how dare she not mention the glorious
struggles in
Assam - after mentioning the Maoists, Kashmir -
even
Nagaland!
--- Chandan Mahanta wrote:
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On Indiaââ¬â¢s Growing Violence:
ââ¬ËItââ¬â¢s Outright
War and Both Sides are Choosing Their
Weaponsââ¬â¢
Louvre Abu
Dhabi
Arab Peace Initiative
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Morales
Road Map Overtaken
Peace, Democracy,
Iraq?
Most Recent
From Arundhati Roy
Breaking
the News
'And His Life Should Become Extinct'
India and the U.S.
A Fury Building Up Across
India
Bush in India: Just Not Welcome
by
Arundhati Roy and Shoma Chaudhury
Tehelka
March 26, 2007
The following is an interview with Arundhati Roy,
conducted by Shoma Chaudhury of Tehelka.
There is an atmosphere of growing violence across
the
country. How do you read the signs? In what
context
should it be read?
You donââ¬â¢t have to be a genius to read the
signs. We
have a growing middle class, reared on a diet of
radical consumerism and aggressive greed. Unlike
industrializing Western countries, which had
colonies
from which to plunder resources and generate slave
labor to feed this process, we have to colonize
Re: [Assam] On Indiaââ¬â¢s Growing Viol ence: ââ¬ËItââ¬â¢s Outr ight War and Both Sides are Choosing Their Weapon sââ¬â¢ (from ZNet)
Ms. Roy would like to see an instant paradise in India but has no clue how
to steer India to that paradise.
Exactly. This however sounds very familiar to what the ULFA has been dishing
out. They promise paradise and free Assam, but have no interest or earthly
clue how to go about it.
As far as AR is concerned, her fame glory comes by basically piggy backing
on misfortunes of others.
--Ram
On 3/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ms. Roy would like to see an instant paradise in India but has no clue how
to steer India to that paradise. Also writers like her make a living by
criticizing everyone and everything around her. So why should she slow down
her writing if it hurts her pocketbook?
If her criticism was constructive, she would have been taken seriously.
Many authors like her believe that acerbic words get people's attention.
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*Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:
C-da,
I was afraid you would point out the obvious - I did
not provide a rebuttal and willingly so.
Her consistent ideological inconsistency is where I
see the problem. Does it really need a rebuttal to
point out that she glorifies the Naxals and says they
are probably not an answer to her perception of
India's problems but she would support them anyway.
She rails against Salva Judum - brushes it off without
even giving it a wee bit of a sentence as to how it
came about. Incidentally, Salva Judum was a byproduct
of Naxalite violence not the other way round.
She paints a dark vision of India's greed - yet we do
not need a historian (or an economist) to point out
that greed is what drove nations to level the playing
field for the largest sections of society wherever it
has been possible to do so in known history. She does
not want India to be greedy but yet rails against
endemic poverty in India. She evidently does not even
believe in the failed - rather disastrous -
alternative experiments of the ideological brothers of
the Naxalites that she supports. She also dismisses
Gandhi's struggle. So what does she believe in?
In every such country, that greed brought problems in
its wake - problems that the society solved over time
not always to everyone's satisfaction. If she has a
newer alternative, she needs to spell that out - not
rail against the world.
While she constructs her words well, Arundhati Roy's
veneer of logic is pretty thin almost always. She
would have been taken more seriously as a thinker
otherwise.
Rajib
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come on Rajib, at least give it an attempt at a
rebuttal; if you see something that is untrue,
incorrect interpretation, subversive motives or
otherwise untenable; would you?
Dismissing her as 'out of her mind' might give you a
feeling of superiority - a typical response of those
who cannot articulate a thought, but persuades no
one. You oght not to join that crowd :-). It merely
reaffirms the bitter truths of Indian misgovernment
and its intelligentsia's irrelevance.
Rajib Das wrote:
As usual the woman is out of her mind! She rails
for
railing's sake!
In one single interview, she cannot keep her
ideological position constant. Unless being anti
something (in her case, her perception of India)
can
be called an ideology.
I hear she is getting out of political writing /
speaking and into doing another book. Good for her
-
Great for us!
And how dare she not mention the glorious
struggles in
Assam - after mentioning the Maoists, Kashmir -
even
Nagaland!
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On India’s Growing Violence:
‘It’s Outright
War and Both Sides are Choosing Their
Weapons’
Louvre Abu
Dhabi
Arab Peace Initiative
Bolivia's
Morales
Road Map Overtaken
Peace, Democracy,
Iraq?
Most Recent
From Arundhati Roy
Breaking
the News
'And His Life Should Become Extinct'
India and the U.S.
A Fury Building Up Across
India
Bush in India: Just Not Welcome
by
Arundhati Roy and Shoma Chaudhury
Tehelka
March 26, 2007
The following is an interview with Arundhati Roy,
conducted by Shoma Chaudhury of Tehelka.
There is an atmosphere of growing violence across
the
country. How do you read the signs? In what
context
should it be read?
You don’t have to be a genius to
[Assam] Why is Hindustan Times gaga over Asom
http://www.hindustantimes.in/news/181_1959105,001100020013.htm Has the Indian media started using Asom as well? TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Why is Hindustan Times gaga over Asom
Hi Rajib, Looks like news was reported by a wire service called ANI. Most newspapers (I think) reproduce news from their wire services. They only edit op eds and 'letters to the editor'. I say this, because often one sees news reports about Guwahati or even places normally unheard of outside of Assam (like Chaparmukh or Jorabat) in the US press. I have such items many a times in the Houston Chronicle. The spelling of Guwahati is mostly correct. But one also comes across 'Gauhati'. Now, I am pretty sure, the editor of the Chronicle has no clue to the spelling - he depends on wire services. Maybe, someone who is familiar with such matters could shed some light. In this case, though, I would put the onus on ANI. Hold on! why blame them, if the State Govt. itself isn't sure what to use! --Ram da On 3/27/07, Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hindustantimes.in/news/181_1959105,001100020013.htm Has the Indian media started using Asom as well? TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Volume 34, Issue No 6 of Posoowa published
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Re: [Assam] A false Yogi from Hell?
It seems IT techies are more knowledgeable about Yoga than self-professed Yoga patenters like Mr Bikram the feeble. My roommate Kiran has amazing knowledge about Yoganand Paramhansa and hiw Yoga bestseller Autobiography of a Yogi http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/ He could quote varios parts about Kriya Yoga - and refresh my memory. I wonder what Bikram Boss would say about patenting Kriya Yoga and patenting God idea itself. It is amazing how imposters are earning millions in US. Any comments? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.littleindia.com/news/145/ARTICLE/1692/2007-03-02.html So now nobody can teach yoga the way you do? A: They cannot copy it; before people think they could teach my yoga without learning it from me. I proved that my intellectual property could be copyrighted. I created history. I proved it and now it's become law. If you want to teach Bikram Yoga or Hot Yoga anywhere in the world, you have to have a license from me. And I though Yoga meant Union of the soul and the Supreme. Umesh Umesh Sharma 5121 Lackawanna ST College Park, (Washington D.C. Metro Region) MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ website: www.gse.harvard.edu/iep - All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 - The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
