Re: [Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2? - Response III

[Ram Sarangapani]

Thanks C'da,

I did miss it. My only excuse is that I was shell-shocked reading the other
piece. :-)

I am glad that is is the SC of India which has (as in a well-functioning
democracy) put the GOI in it's place. It has also
reminded the GOI of the role it should play, and where the GOI has dropped
the ball. It has been very critical of the GOI as it should be.

We all realize that there is lopsided growth, there is corruption, and quite
often large sections of people fall through the cracks, and are all but
forgotten by the GOI or state Govt. I have absolutely no argument with you
or anyone over that.

I think, though that had there been other avenues for these desperate people
to get help, instead of depending on the dime-a-dozen do-gooders who only
take advantage of them, it would be the ideal situation.

For this, I squarely blame the Govt. entities for not doing their part. They
should be able to recognize and correct situations as they come up. The more
these problems fester, the more complicated and difficult they become.

As for the rise of Maoism/Naxalism, there are a couple of factors. The
important one is what the SC has stated.

The other is that these Maoist/Naxal groups have been known to prey on
unfortunate people in desperate situations. The GOI certainly helps them out
in this by being totally callous, and the Mao/Naxal groups are just waiting
in the wings to take advantage of every situation. For these groups, it may
be a political goal, a career path, or money - but the last thing on their
mind is helping out those let down by their own government.

--Ram







On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Chan Mahanta  wrote:

> I am not sure if you saw the following ion the same ToI headlines you
> referred the earlier post , But in case you did not, or did not feel it was
> relevanyt, here it is for everybody's review and judgement:
>
> cm
>
>
> Skewed growth to blame for rise of Naxals: SC
> Dhananjay Mahapatra, TNN, Jul 21, 2010, 02.29am IST
>
> Article
> Comments (18)
>
>
>
> Tags:sc|naxals|growth
>
> NEW DELHI: This is the worst that the government could have ever got from
> the Supreme Court.
>
> Terming the developmental policies as "blinkered", the apex court has said
> that the promised rights and benefits never reached marginalised citizens
> fuelling extreme discontent and giving birth to naxalism and militancy,
> which are threatening the sovereignty of the country.
>
> Referring to largescale displacement of tribals from forest land in the
> name of mining and development, the SC said non-settlement of their rights
> and non-provision for timely compensation of their lost land has created the
> worst kind of hatred among them towards development, possibly giving birth
> to extremism.
>
> "To millions of Indians, development is a dreadful and hateful word that is
> aimed at denying them even the source of their sustenance," a Bench
> comprising Justices Aftab Alam and B S Chauhan said on Monday.
>
> "It is cynically said that on the path of `maldevelopment' almost every
> step that we take seems to give rise to insurgency and political extremism
> which along with terrorism are supposed to be the three gravest threats to
> India's integrity and sovereignty," it said.
>
> The anguish of the apex court brimmed over when it dealt with a case
> relating to acquisition of tribal land by Mahanadi Coalfields Ltd in
> Sundergarh district of Orissa, which is a Maoist hotbed, and found that
> those who lost their land were not paid compensation for 23 years.
>
> This extreme example of governmental apathy shook the conscience of a Bench
> forcing it to ask a series of questions -- "Why is the state's perception
> and vision of development at such great odds with the people it purports to
> develop? And why are their rights so dispensable? Why do India's GDP and
> human development index (which is based broadly using measures of life
> expectancy, adult literacy and standard of living) present such vastly
> different pictures?"
>
> It said: "With the GDP of $1.16 trillion (of 2008) Indian economy is 12th
> largest in US dollar terms and it is the second fastest growing economy in
> the world. But according to the Human Development Report 2009 (published by
> UNDP), the HDI for India is 0.612 which puts it at 134th place among 182
> countries."
>
> It said the counter argument was that very often the process of development
> that most starkly confirms the fears expressed by Dr Ambedkar, who had said
> though politically one man had one vote of equal value, in social life one
> continues to deny one man one value.
>
> Justice Alam, writing the judgment for the Bench, said this was because
> despite the philanthropist approach of entrepreneurs and governmental
> efforts the human factor in the most mineral rich areas have not been able
> to solve their displacement from forests, despite they being called the
> oldest dwellers of the area.
>
> On the yet-to be-settled rights of tribals whose land wa

Re: [Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2?

[Ram Sarangapani]

Dear Uttam,


>There may be two possibilities. (1) The story is state propaganda and (2)
The story may be true, partially or wholly.
>If it is a propaganda,

Ah, yes. I had plum forgotten about that distinct possibility about the TOI
making this whole thing (no doubt egged on by the state machinery).

So, Uttam, what about the other stories (from the TOI)? Should we discount
them...? I think, I'll just cherry pick. That suits me quite well.

>If it is true, partially or wholly, then the Naxals/ Maoists would  lose
 support if those guilty of the crimes are not brought to books and awarded
>exemplary punishments either by their own courts,

The problem, Uttam, is that (according to the story), it is the leaders who
are the ones committing the rapes. I am not really sure they will be really
gung ho on some kind of court (to punish the guilty).

>BTW: 2000 farmers from Chattisgarh in the meanwhile have petitioned the
President asking for permission to commit suicide, because of hunger.

Hunger and poverty are real issues, and I certainly think these have to be
addressed in all seriousness.

But tell me something, why would potential suiciders (as GW Bush loved to
say) want to take the permission from anyone.
If the president gave her assent, would they go ahead?

Mass suicides are organized, and quite possibly lead by some political hack.
But I do believe there are genuine cases,
which may be in the 100s at least, and do need governmental intervention.

--Ram da






On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:31 PM, uttam borthakur <
uttambortha...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

>
> Ram Da,
> There may be two possibilities. (1) The story is state propaganda and (2)
> The story may be true, partially or wholly.
> If it is a propaganda, we cannot know whether it is a propaganda, then
> there is nothing to say, as warring sides do it by means fair or foul.
> If it is true, partially or wholly, then the Naxals/ Maoists would  lose
>  support if those guilty of the crimes are not brought to books and awarded
> exemplary punishments either by their own courts, if any, or courts in which
> you would like to repose faith.
> BTW: 2000 farmers from Chattisgarh in the meanwhile have petitioned the
> President asking for permission to commit suicide, because of hunger. You
> cannot discount the possibility that driven by hunger, some people may join
> the ranks of Maoists/ Naxals and continue to support them, in spite of some
> rapes. After all, you and I may not be able to appreciate the pain of
> chronic hunger.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com
> Tue Aug 24 02:07:56 IST 2010Previous message: [Assam] for NRAs in
> MontrealNext message: [Assam] Fw: Two Moons on 27th August 2010Messages
> sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]And we were led to
> believe that this movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
> fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!
>
> Read on From one of our most forwarded source TOI :-)
> ___
> *Raped repeatedly, Naxal leader quits Red ranks*
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Raped-repeatedly-Naxal-leader-quits-Red-ranks/articleshow/6423200.cms
>
> Somewhere On The Bengal-Jharkhand Border: The eerie calm in the dense sal
> forest is deafening. Walking along a snaking dirt track, a clear patch
> appears. Sitting on a rock, hidden by thick, emerald green foliage, is the
> diminutive figure of a woman, a gamchha (thin towel) covering her head. Her
> blue salwar-kameez meld with the surroundings. Her eyes dart around at the
> slightest hint of sound. Shobha Mandi, alias Uma, alias Shikha, gives a
> searching look and then smiles. The 23-year-old CPI-Maoist Jhargram area
> commander says she was expecting us.
>
> >From commanding 25-30 armed Maoist squad members,
> Umaturned a
> fugitive four months ago. She fled her command post on the plea of
> seeing a doctor. She hid with her aunt for a short while; and now she says
> she wants the world to know her story. She wants to surrender and is likely
> to give up Naxalism on August 26.
>
> Why did she decide to shed her battle fatigues seven years after she joined
> the Naxals? "They committed injustices against which they claimed they were
> fighting," said Uma. "As a recruit, I protested against the habits of some
> leaders in the presence of Kishanji. Nobody liked it. The leaders
> instructed
> the squad members not to speak to me. I was isolated and warned of dire
> consequences if I protested," she said.
>
> What didn't she like about the leaders? "They rape," she shot back, eyes
> flashing with rage. "After about a year of joining Naxals, I was put on
> night-long sentry duty at a forest camp in Jharkhand. Suddenly, out of the
> dark, Bikash (now, head of the state military commission) came up and asked
> me for water. As I turned to fetch it, he grabbed me and tried to do
> 'kharap
> kaaj' (indecent acts)." When she

Re: [Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2?

[Ram Sarangapani]

>*** Oh well indeed! I tell ya Ram, YOUR intuitions were amazing.

Well, I've been reading here and other places how this Naxal movement was
the next best thing after sliced bread, I was shocked when I read this news.
:-)

>You knew, right off the bat, what these folks were, didn't you?

But, lest it gets brushed under the carpet, these unfortunate women who
joined the 'movement' did pay a heavy price -
and all from the same people, the saviors, whom they trusted, sought help,
and redress ills.

>As I always say, give credit where it is due.  Yoiu Ram, knew it, and some
of us were fools, to have thought otherwise.

Well, C'da, I just forwarded the writeup - from none other than the TOI (I
didn't make it up).

But, you have to agree, the news was shocking - and it wasn't just one
victim, there were many others.
I am sure this kind of thing happens at other places too, but this ain't
good PR for the Maoist/Naxal group.

"While the family struggled, some "party" members offered help. "They gave
my
father some money and told me to join them. They said I could leave if I
didn't like working with them," said Uma. The prospect of a job spurred
her."

> Even though the above compromises your theorem Ram,

I don't have any theories - but if I did, the above wouldn't compromise
anything.
The 'Party'  (you may have missed that) she refers to is the Naxal/Maoist
party, who lied to her, gave her family some money,
promised her a job.

Some job!

>It is not important what drives someone to take up arms against the world's
third largest army.

It is important to find out the reasons why someone would take up such
drastic measures.
But it is equally important to bring the naxal/maoist 'movemnet' a notch or
two.

There is a huge credibility gap here. IMHO, even insurgents, terrorists, and
freedom fighters ought to be held to standards of
common human values - well unless, they ought to be summarily excused
because they have taken up arms against the 3rd largest army:-)

--Ram

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Chan Mahanta  wrote:

> > And we were led to believe that this movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
> > fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!
>
>
>
>
>  Oh well indeed! I tell ya Ram, YOUR intuitions were amazing. You knew,
> right off the bat, what these folks were, didn't you? And those of us who
> speculated that these are people who , having been let down by
> desi-demokrtasy, took to Maoism, to survive, look real bad now.  Leaves us
> folks who speculated on the Naxals' survival instinct d for taking to arms,
> look pretty bad, don't they? As I always say, give credit where it is due.
>  Yoiu Ram, knew it, and some of us were fools, to have thought otherwise.
>
>
>
> >"My father, Jamadar Mandi, was an alcoholic suffering from
> >tuberculosis. There was no money to buy him medicines. We sold our land
> and
> >also borrowed money," Uma said.
>
> >While the family struggled, some "party" members offered help. "They gave
> my
> >father some money and told me to join them. They said I could leave if I
> >didn't like working with them," said Uma. The prospect of a job spurred
> her.
>
>
>
>  Even though the above compromises your theorem Ram, I won't give it
> much credit, now that we know what we do. It is not important what drives
> someone to take up arms against the world's third largest army. What matters
> is what their instincts are, how they treat their women, how lawless, how
> devoid of ordinary human and humane ethics they are.
>
>
>
>  Or is it :-)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>
> > And we were led to believe that this movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
> > fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!
> >
> > Read on From one of our most forwarded source TOI :-)
> > ___
> > *Raped repeatedly, Naxal leader quits Red ranks*
> >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Raped-repeatedly-Naxal-leader-quits-Red-ranks/articleshow/6423200.cms
> >
> > Somewhere On The Bengal-Jharkhand Border: The eerie calm in the dense sal
> > forest is deafening. Walking along a snaking dirt track, a clear patch
> > appears. Sitting on a rock, hidden by thick, emerald green foliage, is
> the
> > diminutive figure of a woman, a gamchha (thin towel) covering her head.
> Her
> > blue salwar-kameez meld with the surroundings. Her eyes dart around at
> the
> > slightest hint of sound. Shobha Mandi, alias Uma, alias Shikha, gives a
> > searching look and then smiles. The 23-year-old CPI-Maoist Jhargram area
> > commander says she was expecting us.
> >
> > From commanding 25-30 armed Maoist squad members,
> > Umaturned a
> > fugitive four months ago. She fled her command post on the plea of
> > seeing a doctor. She hid with her aunt for a short while; and now she
> says
> > she wants the world to know her story. She want

Re: [Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2?

[uttam borthakur]

Ram Da,
There may be two possibilities. (1) The story is state propaganda and (2) The 
story may be true, partially or wholly.
If it is a propaganda, we cannot know whether it is a propaganda, then there is 
nothing to say, as warring sides do it by means fair or foul.
If it is true, partially or wholly, then the Naxals/ Maoists would  lose  
support if those guilty of the crimes are not brought to books and awarded 
exemplary punishments either by their own courts, if any, or courts in which 
you would like to repose faith. 
BTW: 2000 farmers from Chattisgarh in the meanwhile have petitioned the 
President asking for permission to commit suicide, because of hunger. You 
cannot discount the possibility that driven by hunger, some people may join the 
ranks of Maoists/ Naxals and continue to support them, in spite of some rapes. 
After all, you and I may not be able to appreciate the pain of chronic hunger.






Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com 
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message: [Assam] Fw: Two Moons on 27th August 2010Messages sorted by: [ date 
] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]And we were led to believe that this 
movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!

Read on From one of our most forwarded source TOI :-)
___
*Raped repeatedly, Naxal leader quits Red ranks*
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Raped-repeatedly-Naxal-leader-quits-Red-ranks/articleshow/6423200.cms

Somewhere On The Bengal-Jharkhand Border: The eerie calm in the dense sal
forest is deafening. Walking along a snaking dirt track, a clear patch
appears. Sitting on a rock, hidden by thick, emerald green foliage, is the
diminutive figure of a woman, a gamchha (thin towel) covering her head. Her
blue salwar-kameez meld with the surroundings. Her eyes dart around at the
slightest hint of sound. Shobha Mandi, alias Uma, alias Shikha, gives a
searching look and then smiles. The 23-year-old CPI-Maoist Jhargram area
commander says she was expecting us.

>From commanding 25-30 armed Maoist squad members,
Umaturned a
fugitive four months ago. She fled her command post on the plea of
seeing a doctor. She hid with her aunt for a short while; and now she says
she wants the world to know her story. She wants to surrender and is likely
to give up Naxalism on August 26.

Why did she decide to shed her battle fatigues seven years after she joined
the Naxals? "They committed injustices against which they claimed they were
fighting," said Uma. "As a recruit, I protested against the habits of some
leaders in the presence of Kishanji. Nobody liked it. The leaders instructed
the squad members not to speak to me. I was isolated and warned of dire
consequences if I protested," she said.

What didn't she like about the leaders? "They rape," she shot back, eyes
flashing with rage. "After about a year of joining Naxals, I was put on
night-long sentry duty at a forest camp in Jharkhand. Suddenly, out of the
dark, Bikash (now, head of the state military commission) came up and asked
me for water. As I turned to fetch it, he grabbed me and tried to do 'kharap
kaaj' (indecent acts)." When she objected, Bikash threatened to strangle
her. After forcing her into submission, Bikash raped her, she said. She was
17 then.

"He warned me against telling anyone about this. But, I told Akash
(Kishanji's confidant and a state committee member). He said he would look
into it but did nothing. In fact, Akash's wife, Anu, lives with Kishanji,"
Uma said.
Most women recruits are exploited by senior Maoists. Senior women leaders,
too, have multiple sexual partners, Uma said. "If a member gets pregnant,
she has no choice but to abort: A child is seen as a burden that hampers the
agility of guerrillas."

Uma has heard tales of brutalization of other women Naxals, too. "Seema
(then a recruit) told me that Akash raped her as well. Rahul (alias Ranjit
Pal) raped Belpahari squad commander Madan Mahato's wife, Jaba. In this
case, the party punished Rahul, who is a key weapons trainer at Maoist
camps. He was removed from the regional committee for three months," said
Uma.

State committee secretary Sudip Chongdar, alias Goutam, was also punished
for similar acts, she said, and transferred to Jharkhand's West Singbhum
district. 
Maoistsdivide
time between forest camps and hideouts in villages. Villagers can't
refuse shelter to gun-toting Maoists. Also, they must keep all night vigil
to alert them against police raids. "When Sudip took shelter in villages, he
raped women in their homes. They were too scared to protest," said Uma.

Many of her senior leaders exploited her sexually. One day, says Uma, Kamal
Maity, who is a Bengal-Jharkhand-Orissa regional committee member, came to
her rescue. At a meeting attended 

Re: [Assam] for NRAs in Montreal

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Hi. I will be in Montreal from 26th August to 6th September, attending the 34th 
Montreal World Film Festival as a member of the international critics jury 
there. Would be nice to meet people from Assam/NE based in Montreal while I am 
there (though I am not sure whether I will get much free time because of my 
jury 
duty which is usually quite hectic). I will be staying at the Hyatt Regency 
Hotel as a guest of the festival. Kindly either send me a mail with your 
contact 
details or contact me at the hotel. Hoping to see many of you.

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Hi. I will be in Montreal from 26th August to 6th September, attending the 34th 
Montreal World Film Festival as a member of the international critics jury 
there. Would be nice to meet people from Assam/NE based in Montreal while I am 
there (though I am not sure whether I will get much free time because of my 
jury 

duty which is usually quite hectic). I will be staying at the Hyatt Regency 
Hotel as a guest of the festival. Kindly either send me a mail with your 
contact 

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Re: [Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2? - Response III

[Chan Mahanta]

I am not sure if you saw the following ion the same ToI headlines you referred 
the earlier post , But in case you did not, or did not feel it was relevanyt, 
here it is for everybody's review and judgement:

cm


Skewed growth to blame for rise of Naxals: SC
Dhananjay Mahapatra, TNN, Jul 21, 2010, 02.29am IST

Article
Comments (18)



Tags:sc|naxals|growth

NEW DELHI: This is the worst that the government could have ever got from the 
Supreme Court. 

Terming the developmental policies as "blinkered", the apex court has said that 
the promised rights and benefits never reached marginalised citizens fuelling 
extreme discontent and giving birth to naxalism and militancy, which are 
threatening the sovereignty of the country. 

Referring to largescale displacement of tribals from forest land in the name of 
mining and development, the SC said non-settlement of their rights and 
non-provision for timely compensation of their lost land has created the worst 
kind of hatred among them towards development, possibly giving birth to 
extremism. 

"To millions of Indians, development is a dreadful and hateful word that is 
aimed at denying them even the source of their sustenance," a Bench comprising 
Justices Aftab Alam and B S Chauhan said on Monday. 

"It is cynically said that on the path of `maldevelopment' almost every step 
that we take seems to give rise to insurgency and political extremism which 
along with terrorism are supposed to be the three gravest threats to India's 
integrity and sovereignty," it said. 

The anguish of the apex court brimmed over when it dealt with a case relating 
to acquisition of tribal land by Mahanadi Coalfields Ltd in Sundergarh district 
of Orissa, which is a Maoist hotbed, and found that those who lost their land 
were not paid compensation for 23 years. 

This extreme example of governmental apathy shook the conscience of a Bench 
forcing it to ask a series of questions -- "Why is the state's perception and 
vision of development at such great odds with the people it purports to 
develop? And why are their rights so dispensable? Why do India's GDP and human 
development index (which is based broadly using measures of life expectancy, 
adult literacy and standard of living) present such vastly different pictures?" 

It said: "With the GDP of $1.16 trillion (of 2008) Indian economy is 12th 
largest in US dollar terms and it is the second fastest growing economy in the 
world. But according to the Human Development Report 2009 (published by UNDP), 
the HDI for India is 0.612 which puts it at 134th place among 182 countries." 

It said the counter argument was that very often the process of development 
that most starkly confirms the fears expressed by Dr Ambedkar, who had said 
though politically one man had one vote of equal value, in social life one 
continues to deny one man one value. 

Justice Alam, writing the judgment for the Bench, said this was because despite 
the philanthropist approach of entrepreneurs and governmental efforts the human 
factor in the most mineral rich areas have not been able to solve their 
displacement from forests, despite they being called the oldest dwellers of the 
area. 

On the yet-to be-settled rights of tribals whose land was acquired and no 
compensation was paid for 23 years, the Bench took assistance from Solicitor 
General Gopal Subramaniam and counsel Janaranjan Das to frame a scheme. 

Under the scheme, the Centre being the owner of Mahanadi Coalfields Ltd would 
determine and pay the compensation to the erstwhile landowners. The SC 
appointed a former judge of the Orissa HC, Justice A K Pasricha, as chairman of 
a commission to prepare a report on the land acquired within four months and 
submit a report to the apex court. 

dhananjay.mahapa...@timesgroup.com


Read more: Skewed growth to blame for rise of Naxals: SC - India - The Times of 
India 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Skewed-growth-to-blame-for-rise-of-Naxals-SC/articleshow/6193052.cms#ixzz0xUOShVbQ



















On Aug 23, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

> And we were led to believe that this movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
> fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!
> 
> Read on From one of our most forwarded source TOI :-)
> ___
> *Raped repeatedly, Naxal leader quits Red ranks*
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Raped-repeatedly-Naxal-leader-quits-Red-ranks/articleshow/6423200.cms
> 
> Somewhere On The Bengal-Jharkhand Border: The eerie calm in the dense sal
> forest is deafening. Walking along a snaking dirt track, a clear patch
> appears. Sitting on a rock, hidden by thick, emerald green foliage, is the
> diminutive figure of a woman, a gamchha (thin towel) covering her head. Her
> blue salwar-kameez meld with the surroundings. Her eyes dart around at the
> slightest hint of sound. Shobha Mandi, alias Uma, alias Shikha, gives a
> searching look and then 

Re: [Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2?

[Chan Mahanta]

> And we were led to believe that this movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
> fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!




 Oh well indeed! I tell ya Ram, YOUR intuitions were amazing. You knew, 
right off the bat, what these folks were, didn't you? And those of us who 
speculated that these are people who , having been let down by desi-demokrtasy, 
took to Maoism, to survive, look real bad now.  Leaves us folks who speculated 
on the Naxals' survival instinct d for taking to arms, look pretty bad, don't 
they? As I always say, give credit where it is due.  Yoiu Ram, knew it, and 
some of us were fools, to have thought otherwise.



>"My father, Jamadar Mandi, was an alcoholic suffering from
>tuberculosis. There was no money to buy him medicines. We sold our land and
>also borrowed money," Uma said.

>While the family struggled, some "party" members offered help. "They gave my
>father some money and told me to join them. They said I could leave if I
>didn't like working with them," said Uma. The prospect of a job spurred her.



 Even though the above compromises your theorem Ram, I won't give it much 
credit, now that we know what we do. It is not important what drives someone to 
take up arms against the world's third largest army. What matters is what their 
instincts are, how they treat their women, how lawless, how devoid of ordinary 
human and humane ethics they are.



 Or is it :-)?












On Aug 23, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

> And we were led to believe that this movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
> fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!
> 
> Read on From one of our most forwarded source TOI :-)
> ___
> *Raped repeatedly, Naxal leader quits Red ranks*
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Raped-repeatedly-Naxal-leader-quits-Red-ranks/articleshow/6423200.cms
> 
> Somewhere On The Bengal-Jharkhand Border: The eerie calm in the dense sal
> forest is deafening. Walking along a snaking dirt track, a clear patch
> appears. Sitting on a rock, hidden by thick, emerald green foliage, is the
> diminutive figure of a woman, a gamchha (thin towel) covering her head. Her
> blue salwar-kameez meld with the surroundings. Her eyes dart around at the
> slightest hint of sound. Shobha Mandi, alias Uma, alias Shikha, gives a
> searching look and then smiles. The 23-year-old CPI-Maoist Jhargram area
> commander says she was expecting us.
> 
> From commanding 25-30 armed Maoist squad members,
> Umaturned a
> fugitive four months ago. She fled her command post on the plea of
> seeing a doctor. She hid with her aunt for a short while; and now she says
> she wants the world to know her story. She wants to surrender and is likely
> to give up Naxalism on August 26.
> 
> Why did she decide to shed her battle fatigues seven years after she joined
> the Naxals? "They committed injustices against which they claimed they were
> fighting," said Uma. "As a recruit, I protested against the habits of some
> leaders in the presence of Kishanji. Nobody liked it. The leaders instructed
> the squad members not to speak to me. I was isolated and warned of dire
> consequences if I protested," she said.
> 
> What didn't she like about the leaders? "They rape," she shot back, eyes
> flashing with rage. "After about a year of joining Naxals, I was put on
> night-long sentry duty at a forest camp in Jharkhand. Suddenly, out of the
> dark, Bikash (now, head of the state military commission) came up and asked
> me for water. As I turned to fetch it, he grabbed me and tried to do 'kharap
> kaaj' (indecent acts)." When she objected, Bikash threatened to strangle
> her. After forcing her into submission, Bikash raped her, she said. She was
> 17 then.
> 
> "He warned me against telling anyone about this. But, I told Akash
> (Kishanji's confidant and a state committee member). He said he would look
> into it but did nothing. In fact, Akash's wife, Anu, lives with Kishanji,"
> Uma said.
> Most women recruits are exploited by senior Maoists. Senior women leaders,
> too, have multiple sexual partners, Uma said. "If a member gets pregnant,
> she has no choice but to abort: A child is seen as a burden that hampers the
> agility of guerrillas."
> 
> Uma has heard tales of brutalization of other women Naxals, too. "Seema
> (then a recruit) told me that Akash raped her as well. Rahul (alias Ranjit
> Pal) raped Belpahari squad commander Madan Mahato's wife, Jaba. In this
> case, the party punished Rahul, who is a key weapons trainer at Maoist
> camps. He was removed from the regional committee for three months," said
> Uma.
> 
> State committee secretary Sudip Chongdar, alias Goutam, was also punished
> for similar acts, she said, and transferred to Jharkhand's West Singbhum
> district. 
> Maoistsdivide
> tim

Re: [Assam] Fw: Two Moons on 27th August 2010

[Chan Mahanta]

O'Deka:

Aapuni kintu eibaar 'hoax--ot porile'.  This apparently is another 'urban 
legend'.

As you and others know, I am no astronomer, not even an astrologer. But the 
claim sounded a little far-fetched, that Mars will look like the moon. So I 
Googled  " two moons". And guess what I found: 
http://hubpages.com/hub/Two_Moons_On_August_27_-_The_Latest_Old_Hoax

O'm






On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

> Just wanted to share with you all.
> 
> 
> 
> - Forwarded Message 
> From: Dipendra Goswami goswami2...@msn.com
> 
> 
> Subject: Two Moons on 27th August 2010
>>  
>>  
>> Two moons on 27th August2010
>>  
>> 27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for. 
  
 Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August. It 
 will look 
 as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will cultivate on Aug. 27 
 when 
 Mars comes within 34.65M miles off earth. Be sure to watch the sky on Aug. 
 27 
 12:30 am. (EDT) It will look like the earth has 2 moons.
 The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287.
 Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.
   
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[Assam] Fw: Two Moons on 27th August 2010

[Dilip Deka]

Just wanted to share with you all.



- Forwarded Message 
From: Dipendra Goswami goswami2...@msn.com


Subject: Two Moons on 27th August 2010
> 
> 
>Two moons on 27th August2010
> 
>27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for. 
>>> 
>>>Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August. It will 
>>>look 
>>>as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will cultivate on Aug. 27 
>>>when 
>>>Mars comes within 34.65M miles off earth. Be sure to watch the sky on Aug. 
>>>27 
>>>12:30 am. (EDT) It will look like the earth has 2 moons.
>>>The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287.
>>>Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.
>>>  
> 
> 
> 
 

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[Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2?

[Ram Sarangapani]

And we were led to believe that this movement (the Naxal/Maoist)  was a
fight against the social injustices and radical changes.Oh Well!

Read on From one of our most forwarded source TOI :-)
___
*Raped repeatedly, Naxal leader quits Red ranks*
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Raped-repeatedly-Naxal-leader-quits-Red-ranks/articleshow/6423200.cms

Somewhere On The Bengal-Jharkhand Border: The eerie calm in the dense sal
forest is deafening. Walking along a snaking dirt track, a clear patch
appears. Sitting on a rock, hidden by thick, emerald green foliage, is the
diminutive figure of a woman, a gamchha (thin towel) covering her head. Her
blue salwar-kameez meld with the surroundings. Her eyes dart around at the
slightest hint of sound. Shobha Mandi, alias Uma, alias Shikha, gives a
searching look and then smiles. The 23-year-old CPI-Maoist Jhargram area
commander says she was expecting us.

>From commanding 25-30 armed Maoist squad members,
Umaturned a
fugitive four months ago. She fled her command post on the plea of
seeing a doctor. She hid with her aunt for a short while; and now she says
she wants the world to know her story. She wants to surrender and is likely
to give up Naxalism on August 26.

Why did she decide to shed her battle fatigues seven years after she joined
the Naxals? "They committed injustices against which they claimed they were
fighting," said Uma. "As a recruit, I protested against the habits of some
leaders in the presence of Kishanji. Nobody liked it. The leaders instructed
the squad members not to speak to me. I was isolated and warned of dire
consequences if I protested," she said.

What didn't she like about the leaders? "They rape," she shot back, eyes
flashing with rage. "After about a year of joining Naxals, I was put on
night-long sentry duty at a forest camp in Jharkhand. Suddenly, out of the
dark, Bikash (now, head of the state military commission) came up and asked
me for water. As I turned to fetch it, he grabbed me and tried to do 'kharap
kaaj' (indecent acts)." When she objected, Bikash threatened to strangle
her. After forcing her into submission, Bikash raped her, she said. She was
17 then.

"He warned me against telling anyone about this. But, I told Akash
(Kishanji's confidant and a state committee member). He said he would look
into it but did nothing. In fact, Akash's wife, Anu, lives with Kishanji,"
Uma said.
Most women recruits are exploited by senior Maoists. Senior women leaders,
too, have multiple sexual partners, Uma said. "If a member gets pregnant,
she has no choice but to abort: A child is seen as a burden that hampers the
agility of guerrillas."

Uma has heard tales of brutalization of other women Naxals, too. "Seema
(then a recruit) told me that Akash raped her as well. Rahul (alias Ranjit
Pal) raped Belpahari squad commander Madan Mahato's wife, Jaba. In this
case, the party punished Rahul, who is a key weapons trainer at Maoist
camps. He was removed from the regional committee for three months," said
Uma.

State committee secretary Sudip Chongdar, alias Goutam, was also punished
for similar acts, she said, and transferred to Jharkhand's West Singbhum
district. 
Maoistsdivide
time between forest camps and hideouts in villages. Villagers can't
refuse shelter to gun-toting Maoists. Also, they must keep all night vigil
to alert them against police raids. "When Sudip took shelter in villages, he
raped women in their homes. They were too scared to protest," said Uma.

Many of her senior leaders exploited her sexually. One day, says Uma, Kamal
Maity, who is a Bengal-Jharkhand-Orissa regional committee member, came to
her rescue. At a meeting attended by
Kishanjiand
other top Maoists, Kamal proposed a relationship with Uma. The leaders
agreed. "After Jaba's incident, I learnt that a woman cadre is protected
against sexual exploitation only if she is with a senior leader," she said.
That was a turning point and she rose steadily in Naxal ranks.

Uma is on the police's most wanted list. She is suspected to have planned
and executed a series of attacks, including the massacre of 24 EFR jawans in
Silda (February 2010); a raid on Sankrail
policestation
in which two policemen were killed and an officer abducted (October
2009). She is also one of the suspects in Jharkhand
MPSunil
Mahato's murder in 2007.

She mentored PCPA
members,
including Bapi Mahato who is in jail for the
Jnaneswari train
sabotage. Last year, when the joint central and state forces advanced
into Lalgarh 

[Assam] for NRAs in Montreal

[utpal borpujari]

Hi. I will be in Montreal from 26th August to 6th September, attending the 34th 
Montreal World Film Festival as a member of the international critics jury 
there. Would be nice to meet people from Assam/NE based in Montreal while I am 
there (though I am not sure whether I will get much free time because of my 
jury 
duty which is usually quite hectic). I will be staying at the Hyatt Regency 
Hotel as a guest of the festival. Kindly either send me a mail with your 
contact 
details or contact me at the hotel. Hoping to see many of you.

warmly,

Utpal Borpujari, New Delhi


  
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[Assam] Times of Assam

[Dhruba Jyoti Deka]

http://www.timesofassam.com

 

Seeking for help & co-operation.
  
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[Assam] China's nine-day traffic jam stretches 100km

[Krishnendu Chakraborty]

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[Assam] s the Assam Youth Really Concerned? - a Column in the Assam Sentinel

[Krishnendu Chakraborty]

Illegal immigration  and  using  illegal immigrants for political mileage is 
not soemthing which  is exclusive to India or specific parties.

There are millions of illegal immigrants (mostly hispanic) in US (is the US 
government "dysfunctional,  unresponsive, incapable"  ? )  who work in menial 
jobs.  

Political parties use carrot of granting amnesty to get the hispanic votes .  
The latest carrot used by Democrats is Comprehensive Immigration Reform  which 
is being chanted everyfew months.
 
Meanwhile,  to appease the citizens opposed to illegal immigration, thsi same 
group of poliicians have hiked fees for legal immigration (work visas)  on the 
pretext that this money will be used for border security.  It is interesting 
that in stead of penalizing illegal immigrants or those employing illegal 
immigrants ,  they are penalizing those employing legal immigrants .  The 
reason is simple -- kiths and kins of illegals form a larger vote bank.  
 
The state of AZ recently framed laws to detect illegal immigrants and Fed 
quickly moved to court to get it nullified  as it is in violation of federal 
law  (---  "anything that departs from the masters' rules, will be held 
unconstitutional" ).
 
 
 
 

*
>Maybe, they are the last hopes of a stagnant and moribund society, and it
> 
> needs students to rescue it from all kinds of problems.
 
*** You keep getting it wrong Ram. It IS about making the state, the 
governmental machinery FUNCTIONAL, accountable!
Of course that is easier said than done. If Assam depends on India to do it, 
will never happen, not in another fifty years.  I explained
why earlier, a number of times. Once again, because of India's fractured polity.
So if Assam wants it done, it will have to do it on its own. But it won't 
happen under Indian controls, because anything that 
departs from the masters' rules, will be held unconstitutional, never mind that 
it does not seem like Indian law-making
has any such test as being constitutional or not ( IMDT, AFSPA--neither of 
which got challenged in courts for constitutionality , 
when they should have been, at enactment!), or a mechanism to enforce the test.

*** WHEN the system of civil conflict resolution is made functional, then only 
the question of 'student movements', 'andwlons',
insurgencies and rebellions will begin to recede and disappear in time.
 
 
 
 
On Aug 22, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> C'da,
> 
>>  You are such a nice person Ram, you scare me :-).
> 
> I have always maintained a B'deshi is a 'B'deshi, and India cannot have one
> policy
> for one kind and a different one for the other.
> 
> The problem is whenever the illegal B'deshi problem is brought up, JUST like
> these MLAs wanting
> special treatment for 'Hindu B'deshis', there many other groups and
> individuals who try to paint any serious discussion
> on the subject as being anti-Muslim or some 'lungi kheda' drive.
> 
> And that is unfortunate.
> 
> This is about national policy matters, and not about the whims and desires
> of some political party or individuals.
> It is also about India protecting it's territorial integrity, and the GOI
> should just implement it's border control/immigration  policy.
> 
>> If we had to go by yesterday's Sentinel editorial piece that you admired,
> 
> Only certain parts, not all. Hopefully, forwarding doesn't mean a complete
> endorsement.
> 
>> Finally when students do that, taking to the streets and shutting things
> down, does it REALLY lead to
>> any meaningful action, or for that matter any action at all?
>> Pushing students for is merely yet another admission, except on the sly,
> that the government is dysfunctional,
>> unresponsive, incapable.
> 
> You might have missed it - but I did mention something about students as an
> aside.
> 
> IMHO. The idea of involving students to galvanize political action is one of
> the worst things a state or country can do.
> Students just need to be in the classrooms.
> 
> Involving students is passe at best, and these days, in most developed
> countries, students keep to the classrooms,
> and leave politics to politicians.
> 
> But, look at the scenario in India - students are signatories to national
> accords, are treated like State representatives,
> are courted by politicians, and even journalists like Bikash Sarmah expect
> students to take to do something.
> 
> Maybe, they are the last hopes of a stagnant and moribund society, and it
> needs students to rescue it from all kinds of problems.
> 
> 
> --Ram
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Chan Mahanta  wrote:
> 
>>> Neither group ought to be encouraged - specially by MLAs
>>> 
>> 
>>  You are such a nice person Ram, you scare me :-).
>> The only thing left now is about what they OUGHT to do. And if they don't
>> do what they
>> ought to, who should be the next line of defense?
>> 
>> If we h

Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi

[Ram Sarangapani]

Dear Uttam & Sushanta,

Lets analyze this a bit.

It is a geographical truth that people from less developed areas will
migrate to more developed areas (Refer C.E.M. Joad).

It is also a fact of life that countries will have borders. In today's
world, borders are meant to keep selected people out, and NOT meant to keep
the locals in (like erstwhile East Germany/Soviet bloc).

This idea of no world border is something that has taken some currency in
the last few years. There are two sides to this:

No borders for people/groups wanting to help others (like in a flood or
earthquake) - where doctors without borders, medical/emergency/food aid
should be able to go in without any obstacles.
Foreign aid has been difficult to get into countries like Ethiopia and even
in Pakistan.

The other part is people wanting to immigrate into another country for
bettering their lives. Countries will normally accept people who are needed,
or on political, humanitarian grounds. Countries also assess how both legal
and illegal immigration affects their own economy, resources etc.

Today, a new dimension is added. There are those who will immigrate (legally
and illegally ) to other countries, just to do them harm.

Those who advocate for 'no world border' might want to go a step further.
Why have individual homes or property?
Why not socialize everything and make it all for everyone? How about
languages & culture?
Why do we need to worry about such frivolities?

The thing called 'Me', 'Mine', 'Myself' has a meaning to individualism.
Normally, the world order today dictates that countries have borders, and
countries will often go the extra step to help a fellow country when needed.

Otherwise, countries will wind up like the proverbial Arab, who out of
kindness, let his camel to keep is nose in the tent. Soon, of course, the
camel was inside, and the Arab outside.:-)

The question here is of the limits to immigration (both legal and illegal),
and the tolerance limits of countries.

The US, btw,  is more welcoming, and has more liberal policy than India and
many other countries.








On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Sushanta Kar wrote:

> A good Post Uttamda! Thank You for sharing. Borders are not for poor and
> layman.This report once again proved it Immigrants are chipest labor
> worldwide. World wide capitalist use them and through out. . Here I'm
> forwarding a link which shows that already a movement  is taking shape
> worldwide which want a borderless world. :http://www.noborder.org/
>
> If  all of us is Human being we do we need Borders?
>
> Sushanta Kar
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, uttam borthakur <
> uttambortha...@yahoo.co.in
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear Ram Da:
> > What I can think of it, apart from the fact that history of homo sapiens
> > from Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus to present day is the history of
> migration.
> > Only difference is that, at that time there was no national barriers.
> > I love poems and the suggestive content thereof. So, I continued the old
> > thread that suggests a problem keeping our mind busy. That's about it.
> >
> >
> > Ram Sarangapani assamrs
> > at gmail.com
> > Mon Aug 23 17:49:27 IST 2010
> >
> >
> > Previous message: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
> > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject
> > ] [ author ]
> >
> > Thanks Uttam for fwding this?
> >
> > Some quick questions?
> >
> > What do you think of this column?
> > and
> > Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term
> > Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal'  :-)
> >
> > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
> >
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>
>
> --
> Sushanta Kar
> সুশান্ত কর
> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>
> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
> আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>
> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান শিক্ষা"
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Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi

[Sushanta Kar]

A good Post Uttamda! Thank You for sharing. Borders are not for poor and
layman.This report once again proved it Immigrants are chipest labor
worldwide. World wide capitalist use them and through out. . Here I'm
forwarding a link which shows that already a movement  is taking shape
worldwide which want a borderless world. :http://www.noborder.org/

If  all of us is Human being we do we need Borders?

Sushanta Kar

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, uttam borthakur  wrote:

>
> Dear Ram Da:
> What I can think of it, apart from the fact that history of homo sapiens
> from Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus to present day is the history of migration.
> Only difference is that, at that time there was no national barriers.
> I love poems and the suggestive content thereof. So, I continued the old
> thread that suggests a problem keeping our mind busy. That's about it.
>
>
> Ram Sarangapani assamrs
> at gmail.com
> Mon Aug 23 17:49:27 IST 2010
>
>
> Previous message: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject
> ] [ author ]
>
> Thanks Uttam for fwding this?
>
> Some quick questions?
>
> What do you think of this column?
> and
> Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term
> Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal'  :-)
>
> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
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-- 
Sushanta Kar
সুশান্ত কর
তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম

আমার ব্লগগুলি:
http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now

"স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান শিক্ষা"
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Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi

[uttam borthakur]

Dear Ram Da:
What I can think of it, apart from the fact that history of homo sapiens from 
Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus to present day is the history of migration. Only 
difference is that, at that time there was no national barriers.
I love poems and the suggestive content thereof. So, I continued the old thread 
that suggests a problem keeping our mind busy. That's about it.


Ram Sarangapani assamrs 
at gmail.com 
Mon Aug 23 17:49:27 IST 2010 


Previous message: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi 
Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject 
] [ author ] 

Thanks Uttam for fwding this?

Some quick questions?

What do you think of this column?
and
Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term
Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal'  :-)

Uttam Kumar Borthakur

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Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi

[Ram Sarangapani]

Thanks Uttam for fwding this?

Some quick questions?

What do you think of this column?
and
Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term
Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal'  :-)



On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:02 AM, uttam borthakur  wrote:

>
> http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/19us.htm
>
>
> India [ Images ] may have taken giant strides in every possible sphere of
> life across the world, but there are things that come as real blot to its
> global image.
> Quoting a US Department of Homeland Security report, mercurynews reports
> that Indians are the fastest-growing group of illegal immigrants in the
> United States.
> The report says there are 2,70,000 unauthorized Indians in the United
> States - a 125 percent jump since 2000, the largest percentage increase of
> any nation with more than 100,000 illegal immigrants in that country.
> The report says though the number of Indian immigrants is low when compared
> to people from Mexico, the Indian context is appalling as the illegal
> immigrants mostly consist high-skilled workers. Illegal immigrants from
> other countries are mostly low-skilled workers.
> Mercurynews, in its report, also says if the trend continues India will
> only trail only Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala in illegal immigration.
> The report quoting experts says virtually all immigrants enter the US
> legally and then violate the visa terms, thus becomimg illegal immigrants.
> "How do you get in? You come across the border, or you arrive here with a
> visa," Lindsay Lowell, policy director for the Institute for the Study of
> International Migration at Georgetown University told Mercurynews.
> "Indians aren't going to be walking across the border like Mexicans," he
> said.
> Federal officials calculated the number of illegal immigrants by using
> census estimates of the total number of immigrants from individual
> countries, compiling the total number of legal immigrants using federal
> immigration and naturalization records, and then subtracting the number of
> legal residents from the total immigrant population to determine the number
> of undocumented people, the report said.
> Asked by Mercurynews about the number of illegal Indians in Silicon Valley,
> Banjit Singh, an Indian-born taxi driver, said, "Here, there is a little
> bit. But you go to another city or state, like Los Angeles or New York,
> there are many illegal people."
> Local immigration lawyers say that particularly among Indians, the ups and
> downs of Silicon Valley's economy since 2001 are one reason why Indians have
> fallen out of legal status.
> "Most are bachelors; the way they get here is they have a job," Gabriel
> Jack, a San Jose immigration lawyer, said of many of his Indian clients.
> "They come here as professionals, most often in the H-1B program, and given
> the fluctuations of Silicon Valley, the business climate, these guys lose
> their jobs. They get laid off or they wager their hands on a start-up coming
> in," Jack said.
> "The problem with the H-1B program is, you can't have any significant time
> between jobs" without falling out of legal status.
> Indians made up 44 percent of H-1B applicants in the 2005-06 fiscal year,
> five times the number from second-place China, the report says.
> The report says another source is relatives from India who arrive for a
> visit on a tourist visa and never go home.
> "America is a very attractive country; everybody who comes here wants to
> stay," said Shah Peerally, a Silicon Valley immigration lawyer. "I can tell
> you right now, there are nearly 1 billion people in India, of which maybe
> 800 million want to come here."
> The United States deported close to 500 Indians a year in recent years,
> another expert tells Mecurynews.
> "Unless Congress reforms the immigration system we are going to see this
> high-skilled, illegal workforce emerging," said Frank D. Bean, director of
> the Immigration Research Center at the University of California-Irvine.
>
>
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Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi

[uttam borthakur]

 
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/19us.htm


India [ Images ] may have taken giant strides in every possible sphere of life 
across the world, but there are things that come as real blot to its global 
image.  
Quoting a US Department of Homeland Security report, mercurynews reports that 
Indians are the fastest-growing group of illegal immigrants in the United 
States. 
The report says there are 2,70,000 unauthorized Indians in the United States - 
a 125 percent jump since 2000, the largest percentage increase of any nation 
with more than 100,000 illegal immigrants in that country.
The report says though the number of Indian immigrants is low when compared to 
people from Mexico, the Indian context is appalling as the illegal immigrants 
mostly consist high-skilled workers. Illegal immigrants from other countries 
are mostly low-skilled workers.
Mercurynews, in its report, also says if the trend continues India will only 
trail only Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala in illegal immigration. 
The report quoting experts says virtually all immigrants enter the US legally 
and then violate the visa terms, thus becomimg illegal immigrants.
"How do you get in? You come across the border, or you arrive here with a 
visa," Lindsay Lowell, policy director for the Institute for the Study of 
International Migration at Georgetown University told Mercurynews. 
"Indians aren't going to be walking across the border like Mexicans," he said.
Federal officials calculated the number of illegal immigrants by using census 
estimates of the total number of immigrants from individual countries, 
compiling the total number of legal immigrants using federal immigration and 
naturalization records, and then subtracting the number of legal residents from 
the total immigrant population to determine the number of undocumented people, 
the report said. 
Asked by Mercurynews about the number of illegal Indians in Silicon Valley, 
Banjit Singh, an Indian-born taxi driver, said, "Here, there is a little bit. 
But you go to another city or state, like Los Angeles or New York, there are 
many illegal people."
Local immigration lawyers say that particularly among Indians, the ups and 
downs of Silicon Valley's economy since 2001 are one reason why Indians have 
fallen out of legal status. 
"Most are bachelors; the way they get here is they have a job," Gabriel Jack, a 
San Jose immigration lawyer, said of many of his Indian clients. 
"They come here as professionals, most often in the H-1B program, and given the 
fluctuations of Silicon Valley, the business climate, these guys lose their 
jobs. They get laid off or they wager their hands on a start-up coming in," 
Jack said.
"The problem with the H-1B program is, you can't have any significant time 
between jobs" without falling out of legal status. 
Indians made up 44 percent of H-1B applicants in the 2005-06 fiscal year, five 
times the number from second-place China, the report says.
The report says another source is relatives from India who arrive for a visit 
on a tourist visa and never go home. 
"America is a very attractive country; everybody who comes here wants to stay," 
said Shah Peerally, a Silicon Valley immigration lawyer. "I can tell you right 
now, there are nearly 1 billion people in India, of which maybe 800 million 
want to come here." 
The United States deported close to 500 Indians a year in recent years, another 
expert tells Mecurynews. 
"Unless Congress reforms the immigration system we are going to see this 
high-skilled, illegal workforce emerging," said Frank D. Bean, director of the 
Immigration Research Center at the University of California-Irvine.
 

Uttam Kumar Borthakur

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