Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Title: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC Don't do this to me Rajen. I am having perfectly decent day--getting a few things done. And you throw this stuff at me to mess me up :-)! At 2:59 PM -0600 3/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: At least we got the Urohi gosor ghai-xipa to work with. Or may be not. May be to find the wr, I will have to work hard on the Buddhist Sutra what is called "Paticca-Samuppada" The Law of Dependent Origination - the Buddhist equivalent of the Theory of Relativity. When this is, that is. This arising, that arises When this is not, that is not This ceasing, that ceases. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC *** Somehow I am NOT convinced that is the reason. I have a feeling the 'urohi gosor wr is elsewhere' :-)! At 1:48 PM -0600 3/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: >And is it MORE riduculous than what you charged with - ie disrespecting Himen da? Looks like you were really hurt, Uh!! Sorry about that. It is actually a Buddhist trick to extract things from your mind, used very sparingly though. Take it easy. Barua ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Title: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC At least we got the Urohi gosor ghai-xipa to work with. Or may be not. May be to find the wr, I will have to work hard on the Buddhist Sutra what is called "Paticca-Samuppada" The Law of Dependent Origination - the Buddhist equivalent of the Theory of Relativity. When this is, that is. This arising, that arises When this is not, that is not This ceasing, that ceases. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC *** Somehow I am NOT convinced that is the reason. I have a feeling the 'urohi gosor wr is elsewhere' :-)! At 1:48 PM -0600 3/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: >And is it MORE riduculous than what you charged with - ie disrespecting Himen da? Looks like you were really hurt, Uh!! Sorry about that. It is actually a Buddhist trick to extract things from your mind, used very sparingly though. Take it easy. Barua ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Title: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC *** Somehow I am NOT convinced that is the reason. I have a feeling the 'urohi gosor wr is elsewhere' :-)! At 1:48 PM -0600 3/13/06, Rajen Barua wrote: >And is it MORE riduculous than what you charged with - ie disrespecting Himen da? Looks like you were really hurt, Uh!! Sorry about that. It is actually a Buddhist trick to extract things from your mind, used very sparingly though. Take it easy. Barua ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Dear Ramda Long logn ago we had a beautiful 's/xonar A/xom' as shown in the logo of AASU. Now we have a 'banana shaped' area. But while you guys were there backhome, and we were growing up 9 districts in an contiguous area with B'desh has been swarmed by Lungeewallas. Bodos has carved out a BTAD with 4 districts on the North West side of the banana state, where kharkhowas will get a good 'pitai' if they say thats their area. Same is the case with Karbi Anglong. Another long strip starting from Gohpur to Jonai has been given to Mising Autonomous Council, where "Mipaks' are hated. More areas will be carved out to Rabhas, Tiwas, Dewris in their Autonomous Councils. In near furture Tai-Ahoms, Chutiyas, Koch Rajbongshis, Tea Tribes will demand such ACs and politicians will happily concede. I don't think 'Asom' will eb left with any meaningful area. It will remain only in the Assamnet. Vive L'Axom. On 3/13/06, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi C'da, > > At the risk of violating exclusivity rights as claimed by some, I will > attempt to answer your questions. > > >*** Your argument does not hold any water because you ignore CONTEXT. The > context of these discussions and debates have been Assam's >attempts at > preserving its unique ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions and > asserting them to stave off an invasion by Indian --read Hindi/Hindu >-- > forces > Preserving Assam's unique language, culture, linguistic traditions are > great, but I hope that responsibility has NOT ONLY been bestowed on a few > select people, who are claiming that "There is an Indian Invasion". > > What about those who DON'T think that way? Are they NOT people who are > thinking of "Preserving Assam's unique language, culture, linguistic > traditions "? > > Are they to be marginalized and ignored just because some NRAs thought > Assamese has not come from Sanskrit? > >I know Himen-da, Alpana, yourself and others would like to suggest it is > B'deshi immigrants and not Indian influences > > Don't know what others think. IMHO, B'deshi illegal influx is a bigger > threat to the very existence of Assam. You and others may not choose to > believe so, and may think the bigger threat is INDIA. But its a different > topic altogether. > > Of course Indian (mainland???) does have an influence on Assam, its culture > etc. I don't deny that. I am not even sure is its good or bad. Assuming its > all bad, what is your solution? As long as Assam remains a part of India, > and as long as many Assamese watch Indian movies, tuned to songs, dances > from the yonder, I don't see how you are going to solve that. Once Assam > become free, maybe, it could be thought along those lines. > > Lastly, I do believe that when one starts claiming things like "Assamese > people have inferiority complex because they choose to Sanskritize > blah, blah" its just flabbergasting. I don't understand what IC has to do > with any of this. > Suddenly Assamnet is full of psychologists, socialogists and lingusitic > experts who know exactly why, how and where the language development should > go. > > As for simple me, I am not hung up on X, S or whether Sanskrit came from > Assamese or the other way around, or not at all. I don't claim or give an > impression that I am the resident expert here by any means. > But those who do so, need to be aware that they would need to defend their > arguments more ardently, be less sensitive, and these can well come an from > ignoramus like me and not perceive as threats. > > If the Assamnet is a an open forum, then people ought not to have problems > with anyone with opposing views. I take a very dim view of those who cloak > their frustrations (inability to respond to tough questions) by finding some > other excuse. If the net is NOT open, then as I said before, this ain't the > place for me. > > --Ram > > > > > On 3/12/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Ram: > > > > > > > > > > At 11:56 AM -0600 3/11/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > > > C'da, > > > > > > > > I am surprised! > > > > > > > > > > *** Why am I not :-)? > > > > > > > > > > >One could also argue (quite effectively) that trying to do just the > > opposite is because of >one's own inferiority complex and insecurity. > > > > > > *** Your argument does not hold any water because you ignore CONTEXT. The > > context of these discussions and debates have been Assam's attempts at > > preserving its unique ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions and > > asserting them to stave off an invasion by Indian --read Hindi/Hindu -- > > forces. > > > > > > If I read correctly, Himen-da too is an advocate of promoting and > > preserving Assam's ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions, but hotly > > disputes the fear of Indian domination and subjugation, just as you and > > Alpana and others do. In fact Himen-da goes to ridiculous lengths to imply > > that Assam is India's 'poitrik xompotti' ( ancestral property). But there > is > > a di
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Title: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC Rajen: I have no problem with Ram or anyone else interpreting the way they do or attempt to defend whomever they do, in turn or out of turn. I understand your desire to get an answer from Himen-da, I do too. But as recent history amply illustrates, it is very unlikely to appear. Himen-da does not reply when he paints himself into an intellectual corner with his own arguments. But be that as it may, Ram's arguments hold no water anyway, as I explained moments earlier. c At 4:21 PM -0600 3/11/06, Barua25 wrote: ? Ram: Pleasedon't mind my saying so, but have noticed couple of times that you try to come out for somebody else's defense without giving the person a chance to respond or make his point. I think this also shows disrespect to the person unless you know for sure the other person's position. In view of that I will resist responding to this message and say anything against Himenda simply because I don't know if what you are saying are also Himend'as point of view. I think you are talking things out of context. But I would rather show respect to the person and let him respond. Barua. - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Chan Mahanta Cc: Barua25 ; Himendra Thakur ; assam@assamnet.org ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; J Kalita ; Ginima Barua ; Indrajit Barua Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC C'da, I am surprised! >Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases, demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority >complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He even writes 'desh', as in >deshotkoi'. One could also argue (quite effectively) that trying to do just the opposite is because of one's own inferiority complex and insecurity. If Assamese is being Sankritized, would that be a scary scenario for some? If so, why are they scared? Don't they have the confidence that the language is and always has been strong from these onslaughts? Look at English. One of the reasons its so popular is because it borrows heavily from many languages (many Indian ones included), and the language is ever evolving with inclusions of even words from American rap music. So, the question is: Are Americans or the English have doubts that their language will be diluted because the English language resorts to constantly borrowing from Non Anglo-Saxon/Greek/Lantin languages? My whole take on this is: Its fine for any language to borrow unique ways of writing some words from other languages - that only makes the language richer and becomes inclusive. The option of writing a word like Dex in other forms (des or desh) might indicate that the language is not just inclusive but also has several "accepatble" ways of writing certain words. Isn't that more welcoming to others. I am no expert in these matters, and could be totally off base - but these are my thoughts for the moment and am willing to change them if I could be convinced. AKN should really weigh in this. --Ram ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Title: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC Hi Ram: At 11:56 AM -0600 3/11/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, I am surprised! *** Why am I not :-)? >One could also argue (quite effectively) that trying to do just the opposite is because of >one's own inferiority complex and insecurity. *** Your argument does not hold any water because you ignore CONTEXT. The context of these discussions and debates have been Assam's attempts at preserving its unique ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions and asserting them to stave off an invasion by Indian --read Hindi/Hindu -- forces. If I read correctly, Himen-da too is an advocate of promoting and preserving Assam's ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions, but hotly disputes the fear of Indian domination and subjugation, just as you and Alpana and others do. In fact Himen-da goes to ridiculous lengths to imply that Assam is India's 'poitrik xompotti' ( ancestral property). But there is a dichotomy here: One cannot tout a need for preserving and asserting those Oxomiya ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions, unless there is a threat for it from somewhere. I know Himen-da, Alpana, yourself and others would like to suggest it is B'deshi immigrants and not Indian influences, whether intentional ( as in the GoI policy of Indianization) or a fallout of commercial invasion or immigration from other states of people with power, economic as well as governmental. You would argue 'how can there be a threat from India ?' since Assam is a part of India, and Himen-da will assert 'Assam is India--and India is Assam'. But to anyone who is even minimally informed of the realities know that these are highly unpersuasive stances. These are attempts to have it both ways - be it intentional or accidental ( result of not thinking thru the factors carefully enough). Therefore, under the context, a need to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases before transliterating them in Roman script can very well be read or interpreted as an attempt to assert India's ancient rights over Assam, one of its defining characteristics, its language, having been given by Indians ( Sanskrit). And IF a case of the existence of national Oxomiya INFERIORITY COMPLEX can be made, as Himen-da agrees and you do just like Rajen argues, then this need to Sanskritize Oxomiya words indicates an IC on the part of the perpetrators as well. Above I qualify the IC issue with an IF, because, even though Rajen makes a good case and I agree with some of it, it is a far more complex issue and I don't buy the idea of an Oxomiya IC as the CAUSE of Assam's condition, as is often IMPLIED here in these debates by those who would place all blame for Assam's condition on its feet -- as if it is all Assam's own damn fault --, and give Indian colonialism a free pass; as an argument to DENY legitimacy to Assam's independence aspirations. c-da :-) PS to Alpana: I write 'Sanskrit' because that is what the widely accepted form transliterating it in English is. It is NOT an Oxomiya word. >Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases, demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority >complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He even writes 'desh', as in >deshotkoi'. One could also argue (quite effectively) that trying to do just the opposite is because of one's own inferiority complex and insecurity. If Assamese is being Sankritized, would that be a scary scenario for some? If so, why are they scared? Don't they have the confidence that the language is and always has been strong from these onslaughts? Look at English. One of the reasons its so popular is because it borrows heavily from many languages (many Indian ones included), and the language is ever evolving with inclusions of even words from American rap music. So, the question is: Are Americans or the English have doubts that their language will be diluted because the English language resorts to constantly borrowing from Non Anglo-Saxon/Greek/Lantin languages? My whole take on this is: Its fine for any language to borrow unique ways of writing some words from other languages - that only makes the language richer and becomes inclusive. The option of writing a word like Dex in other forms (des or desh) might indicate that the language is not just inclusive but also has several "accepatble" ways of writing certain words. Isn't that more welcoming to others. I am no expert in these matters, and could be totally off base - but these are my thoughts for the moment and am willing to change them if I could be convinced. AKN should really weigh in this. --Ram On 3/11/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Very well said Rajen. BTW, I think the personal statement in his e-mails, Priyankoo's imagination of
[Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
>>In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam type) quote, and I can write volumes in support of this poetic or philosophical statement Rajenda, :-D !! Moi aru mursa he zowa nai!! Best, Priyanku Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... The most important thing in life is never to forget who you are... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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>>The propounder of the slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" should give the meaning of the word "dharana"and explain why "dharana" has been equated with "desha". Correct me if I am wrong, I think the slogans like "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" are generating the acute inferiorty complex" that you pointed out. Why "should" I? The propounder & supporters of the slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" should come forward to compare it with Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi". Why "should" I? This is a part of a poem I wrote. Thats it! I am not bound to explain it and I do not want further discussion on it!! Priyankoo Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... The most important thing in life is never to forget who you are... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Hi C'da: >inferiority complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He >even writes 'desh', as in deshotkoi'. Did Lasit Borphukan speak Sanskrit? Then why did you write 'Sanskrit' instead of 'Xongoskrit', C'da? I know for a fact that before the 'X' was "discovered" to be used for 'Talobyo X' or 'Dontyo X' or 'Murdhonyo X', we (meaning many of my class-friends) used to use 'sh' to write 'Talobyo X' and 'ss' for 'dwityo so', etc. What is the big deal? Please, no disrespect to anyone here whatsoever! I know everyone is capable of defending him/herself, so I thought I should just chime in as I feel upto it at this moment. Have a good one. :) From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Himendra Thakur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>CC: assam@assamnet.org, Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED], J Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Ginima Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Indrajit Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex ICDate: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:22:02 -0600 Very well said Rajen. BTW, I think the personal statement in his e-mails, Priyankoo's imagination of 'dex', country--as little more than an idea--'dharona', the last part of an address; is poetic and beautiful, as opposed to the commonly used ones as "mother" for example. Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases, demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He even writes 'desh', as in deshotkoi'. Did Lasit Borphukan speak Sanskrit? I know you said as much. I just wanted to make it clear,lest it is missed; even though it is kind of cruel. I have some thoughts about the context in which he supposedly uttered the purported quote 'dexotokoi mwmai dangor nohoy', which when I aired last time in assamnet several years back, drew howls of protest from Oxomiyas who accepted the act as one of 'heroism'. Will take that up again when I get a little time. In the meantime, those with tender sensitivities may consider bracing themselves for another round of assaults to their psyches. I am giving fair warning! c :-) At 10:16 AM -0600 3/11/06, Barua25 wrote: Dear Himen-da: Thanks for your note. Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been saying this for decades now. This is something one can only feel or realize seeing the day to day actions of the Assamese people as a group on national or international level. First we will have to 'recognize the fact that we have this IC. >From my side I can write a essay citing examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask to either counter my arguments or give me some examples whereby we can say that Assamese are not suffering from IC. However, I don't exactly understand when you say we need to discuss this in the net. What we can achieve by discussing this in the net? And I think we have discussed this issue many times in the net. This is something we can remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then educating the people by their actions. (Please note that we use the net not to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will hit one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.) Regarding the slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" I would not like to equate this unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma simply because it will not serve any purpose unless of course one is trying to make poor Lasit an Assamese Krishna. I think we should not try to defend or justify Lasit more than what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact and let us try to utilize this fact to the advantage of the future of the Assamese. (BTW please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese phonetics in Roman script in the net as opposed to your Sanskritised transliteration writing. So we would write the phrase more like 'dexotkoi mwmai dangor nohoy'. May explain details later. ) Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari", all I can say is that so far I know this is a personal statement (a philosophical quote one may say) being used by Priyanku Sarma in the net. Here again please note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese ethnic spelling as : Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari..., and not what you spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if there is anything more to its meaning, Priyanku can respond. Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona', I think you are trying too hard to find the meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note that this is a simple Assamese word, and many a times, the same word may mean slightly different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We should try to use the Assamese meaning. From that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word, meaning 'conception'
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Ram: Pleasedon't mind my saying so, but have noticed couple of times that you try to come out for somebody else's defense without giving the person a chance to respond or make his point. I think this also shows disrespect to the person unless you know for sure the other person's position. In view of that I will resist responding to this message and say anything against Himenda simply because I don't know if what you are saying are also Himend'as point of view. I think you are talking things out of context. But I would rather show respect to the person and let him respond. Barua. - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Chan Mahanta Cc: Barua25 ; Himendra Thakur ; assam@assamnet.org ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; J Kalita ; Ginima Barua ; Indrajit Barua Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC C'da, I am surprised! >Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases, demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority >complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He even writes 'desh', as in >deshotkoi'. One could also argue (quite effectively) that trying to do just the opposite is because of one's own inferiority complex and insecurity. If Assamese is being Sankritized, would that be a scary scenario for some? If so, why are they scared? Don't they have the confidence that the language is and always has been strong from these onslaughts? Look at English. One of the reasons its so popular is because it borrows heavily from many languages (many Indian ones included), and the language is ever evolving with inclusions of even words from American rap music. So, the question is: Are Americans or the English have doubts that their language will be diluted because the English language resorts to constantly borrowing from Non Anglo-Saxon/Greek/Lantin languages? My whole take on this is: Its fine for any language to borrow unique ways of writing some words from other languages - that only makes the language richer and becomes inclusive. The option of writing a word like Dex in other forms (des or desh) might indicate that the language is not just inclusive but also has several "accepatble" ways of writing certain words. Isn't that more welcoming to others. I am no expert in these matters, and could be totally off base - but these are my thoughts for the moment and am willing to change them if I could be convinced. AKN should really weigh in this. --Ram On 3/11/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Very well said Rajen. BTW, I think the personal statement in his e-mails, Priyankoo's imagination of 'dex', country--as little more than an idea--'dharona', the last part of an address; is poetic and beautiful, as opposed to the commonly used ones as "mother" for example. Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases, demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He even writes 'desh', as in deshotkoi'. Did Lasit Borphukan speak Sanskrit? I know you said as much. I just wanted to make it clear,lest it is missed; even though it is kind of cruel. I have some thoughts about the context in which he supposedly uttered the purported quote 'dexotokoi mwmai dangor nohoy', which when I aired last time in assamnet several years back, drew howls of protest from Oxomiyas who accepted the act as one of 'heroism'. Will take that up again when I get a little time. In the meantime, those with tender sensitivities may consider bracing themselves for another round of assaults to their psyches. I am giving fair warning! c :-) At 10:16 AM -0600 3/11/06, Barua25 wrote: Dear Himen-da: Thanks for your note. Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been saying this for decades now. This is something one can only feel or realize seeing the day to day actions of the Assamese people as a group on national or international level. First we will have to 'recognize the fact that we have this IC. >From my side I can write a essay citing examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask to either counter my arguments or give me some examples whereby we can say that Assamese are not suffering from IC. However, I don't
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Barua25 wrote - Anyhow the full meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be : A country is nothing an idea which is only required to use as a last phrase in one's address. The proper translation would be, "Country is just a concept, the last line of a street address." Those who feel bound to the borders of a country also accept the borders of village, city, state, and province. Do these borders mean anything? It is nothing but an attempt to keep out those who are not like you and that is demented. Looking at the positive side, national or regional pride, and the diversity associated with it add color to life. If the whole world adopts one way say american way of life and its culture, life itself would become dull. Dilip Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Himen-da: Thanks for your note. Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been saying this for decades now. This is something one can only feel or realize seeing the day to day actions of the Assamese people as a group on national or international level. First we will have to 'recognize the fact that we have this IC. From my side I can write a essay citing examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask to either counter my arguments or give me some examples whereby we can say that Assamese are not suffering from IC. However, I don't exactly understand when you say we need to discuss this in the net. What we can achieve by discussing this in the net? And I think we have discussed this issue many times in the net. This is something we can remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then educating the people by their actions. (Please note that we use the net not to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will hit one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.) Regarding the slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" I would not like to equate this unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma simply because it will not serve any purpose unless of course one is trying to make poor Lasit an Assamese Krishna. I think we should not try to defend or justify Lasit more than what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact and let us try to utilize this fact to the advantage of the future of the Assamese. (BTW please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese phonetics in Roman script in the net as opposed to your Sanskritised transliteration writing. So we would write the phrase more like 'dexotkoi mwmai dangor nohoy'. May explain details later. ) Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari", all I can say is that so far I know this is a personal statement (a philosophical quote one may say) being used by Priyanku Sarma in the net. Here again please note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese ethnic spelling as : Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari..., and not what you spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if there is anything more to its meaning, Priyanku can respond. Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona', I think you are trying too hard to find the meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note that this is a simple Assamese word, and many a times, the same word may mean slightly different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We should try to use the Assamese meaning. From that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word, meaning 'conception' or 'idea' or 'comment' etc. The meaning is clear when we say the Assamese sentence "Ei ghotonatw xomporke twmar ki dharona baru?" Some netters like Alpana and others probably may give you better sentence using the Assamese word 'dharona'. Anyhow the full meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be : A country is nothing an idea which is only required to use as a last phrase in one's address. In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam type) quote, and I can write volumes in support of this poetic or philosophical statement. Hope this will make some clarifications. More later. Thanks Rajen - Original Message - From: Himendra Thakur To: Barua25 Cc: Manoj Das ; J Kalita ; Indrajit Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ginima Barua ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; Alpana B. Sarangapani ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Acute inferiorty complexDear Rajen, Thanks for your letter. The points that you have raised in this letter should definitely be discussed in the net. But, I think what you so correctly said on March 5, 2006 "Assamese are already suffering from acute inferiorty complex" should be given to PRIORITY in the discussion in the assam-net. I congratulate you for pointing out this terrible thing "inferiorty complex" and most earnestly request you to run a discussion on this point in the net. I am trying to start this discussion by quoting Lachit's "deshatkoi mom
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Title: Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC Very well said Rajen. BTW, I think the personal statement in his e-mails, Priyankoo's imagination of 'dex', country--as little more than an idea--'dharona', the last part of an address; is poetic and beautiful, as opposed to the commonly used ones as "mother" for example. Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases, demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He even writes 'desh', as in deshotkoi'. Did Lasit Borphukan speak Sanskrit? I know you said as much. I just wanted to make it clear,lest it is missed; even though it is kind of cruel. I have some thoughts about the context in which he supposedly uttered the purported quote 'dexotokoi mwmai dangor nohoy', which when I aired last time in assamnet several years back, drew howls of protest from Oxomiyas who accepted the act as one of 'heroism'. Will take that up again when I get a little time. In the meantime, those with tender sensitivities may consider bracing themselves for another round of assaults to their psyches. I am giving fair warning! c :-) At 10:16 AM -0600 3/11/06, Barua25 wrote: Dear Himen-da: Thanks for your note. Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been saying this for decades now. This is something one can only feel or realize seeing the day to day actions of the Assamese people as a group on national or international level. First we will have to 'recognize the fact that we have this IC. >From my side I can write a essay citing examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask to either counter my arguments or give me some examples whereby we can say that Assamese are not suffering from IC. However, I don't exactly understand when you say we need to discuss this in the net. What we can achieve by discussing this in the net? And I think we have discussed this issue many times in the net. This is something we can remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then educating the people by their actions. (Please note that we use the net not to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will hit one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.) Regarding the slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" I would not like to equate this unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma simply because it will not serve any purpose unless of course one is trying to make poor Lasit an Assamese Krishna. I think we should not try to defend or justify Lasit more than what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact and let us try to utilize this fact to the advantage of the future of the Assamese. (BTW please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese phonetics in Roman script in the net as opposed to your Sanskritised transliteration writing. So we would write the phrase more like 'dexotkoi mwmai dangor nohoy'. May explain details later. ) Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari", all I can say is that so far I know this is a personal statement (a philosophical quote one may say) being used by Priyanku Sarma in the net. Here again please note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese ethnic spelling as : Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari..., and not what you spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if there is anything more to its meaning, Priyanku can respond. Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona', I think you are trying too hard to find the meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note that this is a simple Assamese word, and many a times, the same word may mean slightly different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We should try to use the Assamese meaning. From that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word, meaning 'conception' or 'idea' or 'comment' etc. The meaning is clear when we say the Assamese sentence "Ei ghotonatw xomporke twmar ki dharona baru?" Some netters like Alpana and others probably may give you better sentence using the Assamese word 'dharona'. Anyhow the full meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be : A country is nothing an idea which is only required to use as a last phrase in one's address. In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam type) quote, and I can write volumes in support of this poetic or philosophical statement. Hope this will make some clarifications. More later. Thanks Rajen - Original Message - From: Himendra Thakur To: Barua25 Cc: Manoj Das ; J Kalita ; Indrajit Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ginima Barua ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; Alpana B. Saran
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Thanks Ramda for the encouraging words. We kharkhowas will have to charter a road map to keep our culture alive all over the world. I am very confident now that our forefathers have inculcated in us a very rich culture. We must pass it on to our next generation and live with our heads high. rgds manoj On 3/11/06, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent Manoj, > > Thats a very good take on the issue of IC. Most IC problems are ultimately > resolved by continual successes. > > Interestingly, a few years ago we were in New Zealand, and one of the > things > the Kiwis would tell you is that in NZ there was general feeling of > 'loneliness" and a sense of being far away from the rest of the world. > Psychologists and others in NZ are saying that this has had some effect on > the general thinking and attitude of the people etc. > > -Ram da > > > On 3/11/06, Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dear Rajenda > > > > > have discussed this issue many times in the net. This is something we > > can > > > remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and > > then > > > educating the people by their actions. (Please note that we use the net > > not > > > to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our > > > idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will > > hit > > > one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.) > > > > A community develops IC if the overall achievement is less than the > > community/ities that surrounds them. We have IC bacause we don't have > > heroes. Indians as a whole suffered that till now, but the things are > > changing. This year's Forbes has listed 23 billioners from India > > against China's 8. So it's bragging time for India. Same way when > > kharkhowas start performing then this IC will evaporate. > > > > We in Delhi had lot of IC about 2 decades back. During last half > > decade we had 2 Secretaries in GoI, CMD of ONGC, CMD of OIL, Secretary > > general of ASSOCHAM, Exexcutive Editor of TIMES NOW TV (Arnab > > goswami), 2/3 cabiner Minsiters, 2 Justices of Supreme Court, about > > 300 journos, TV reporters, promoter of Bank, 2 jnanpeeth awardees..etc > > etc.we have the great 'joowai" Amjad Ali Khan and bhagins > > "Amaan-Ayaan" appearing of dailies every week. > > > > Kharkhowas are excellent professionals in delhi and are making a mark > > as real employable profies. we have a housing colony here > > "Pragjyotishpur apartmnts, and laetst number is put at 5. Our bihu > > has been accepted as a folk dance better than bhangra, sattriya is > > catching the imagination of classical dance lovers. we are on teh > > verge of completing our show piece project srimanta sankaradeva bhawan > > this 'bohag'. > > > > All these combined have brought down our IC level. We are also seen > > with respect for our fighting spirit, thanx to ULFA dadas and > > bhaitis..:) > > > > > > > > > Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh > > shari", > > > > Very nice line and true when you are inside the country. But once > > outside doesnot this name come first on the passport? > > > > mkd > > > > ___ > > assam mailing list > > assam@assamnet.org > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > -- Manoj Kumar Das B 109 Gr Floor Rear Sarvodaya Enclave New Delhi 110017 India Tel: 91 11 26533824 Telefax: 91 11 26533829 Hand Phone: 91 9312650558 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Excellent Manoj, Thats a very good take on the issue of IC. Most IC problems are ultimately resolved by continual successes. Interestingly, a few years ago we were in New Zealand, and one of the things the Kiwis would tell you is that in NZ there was general feeling of 'loneliness" and a sense of being far away from the rest of the world. Psychologists and others in NZ are saying that this has had some effect on the general thinking and attitude of the people etc. -Ram da On 3/11/06, Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Rajenda> have discussed this issue many times in the net. This is something we can> remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then > educating the people by their actions. (Please note that we use the net not> to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our> idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will hit > one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.)A community develops IC if the overall achievement is less than thecommunity/ities that surrounds them. We have IC bacause we don't haveheroes. Indians as a whole suffered that till now, but the things are changing. This year's Forbes has listed 23 billioners from Indiaagainst China's 8. So it's bragging time for India. Same way whenkharkhowas start performing then this IC will evaporate.We in Delhi had lot of IC about 2 decades back. During last half decade we had 2 Secretaries in GoI, CMD of ONGC, CMD of OIL, Secretarygeneral of ASSOCHAM, Exexcutive Editor of TIMES NOW TV (Arnabgoswami), 2/3 cabiner Minsiters, 2 Justices of Supreme Court, about300 journos, TV reporters, promoter of Bank, 2 jnanpeeth awardees..etc etc.we have the great 'joowai" Amjad Ali Khan and bhagins"Amaan-Ayaan" appearing of dailies every week.Kharkhowas are excellent professionals in delhi and are making a markas real employable profies. we have a housing colony here "Pragjyotishpur apartmnts, and laetst number is put at 5. Our bihuhas been accepted as a folk dance better than bhangra, sattriya iscatching the imagination of classical dance lovers. we are on teh verge of completing our show piece project srimanta sankaradeva bhawanthis 'bohag'.All these combined have brought down our IC level. We are also seenwith respect for our fighting spirit, thanx to ULFA dadas and bhaitis..:)> Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari",Very nice line and true when you are inside the country. But onceoutside doesnot this name come first on the passport? mkd___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Dear Rajenda > have discussed this issue many times in the net. This is something we can > remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then > educating the people by their actions. (Please note that we use the net not > to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our > idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will hit > one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.) A community develops IC if the overall achievement is less than the community/ities that surrounds them. We have IC bacause we don't have heroes. Indians as a whole suffered that till now, but the things are changing. This year's Forbes has listed 23 billioners from India against China's 8. So it's bragging time for India. Same way when kharkhowas start performing then this IC will evaporate. We in Delhi had lot of IC about 2 decades back. During last half decade we had 2 Secretaries in GoI, CMD of ONGC, CMD of OIL, Secretary general of ASSOCHAM, Exexcutive Editor of TIMES NOW TV (Arnab goswami), 2/3 cabiner Minsiters, 2 Justices of Supreme Court, about 300 journos, TV reporters, promoter of Bank, 2 jnanpeeth awardees..etc etc.we have the great 'joowai" Amjad Ali Khan and bhagins "Amaan-Ayaan" appearing of dailies every week. Kharkhowas are excellent professionals in delhi and are making a mark as real employable profies. we have a housing colony here "Pragjyotishpur apartmnts, and laetst number is put at 5. Our bihu has been accepted as a folk dance better than bhangra, sattriya is catching the imagination of classical dance lovers. we are on teh verge of completing our show piece project srimanta sankaradeva bhawan this 'bohag'. All these combined have brought down our IC level. We are also seen with respect for our fighting spirit, thanx to ULFA dadas and bhaitis..:) > Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari", Very nice line and true when you are inside the country. But once outside doesnot this name come first on the passport? mkd ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Dear Himen-da: Thanks for your note. Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been saying this for decades now. This is something one can only feel or realize seeing the day to day actions of the Assamese people as a group on national or international level. First we will have to 'recognize the fact that we have this IC. >From my side I can write a essay citing examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask to either counter my arguments or give me some examples whereby we can say that Assamese are not suffering from IC. However, I don't exactly understand when you say we need to discuss this in the net. What we can achieve by discussing this in the net? And I think we have discussed this issue many times in the net. This is something we can remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then educating the people by their actions. (Please note that we use the net not to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will hit one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.) Regarding the slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" I would not like to equate this unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma simply because it will not serve any purpose unless of course one is trying to make poor Lasit an Assamese Krishna. I think we should not try to defend or justify Lasit more than what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact and let us try to utilize this fact to the advantage of the future of the Assamese. (BTW please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese phonetics in Roman script in the net as opposed to your Sanskritised transliteration writing. So we would write the phrase more like 'dexotkoi mwmai dangor nohoy'. May explain details later. ) Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari", all I can say is that so far I know this is a personal statement (a philosophical quote one may say) being used by Priyanku Sarma in the net. Here again please note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese ethnic spelling as : Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari..., and not what you spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if there is anything more to its meaning, Priyanku can respond. Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona', I think you are trying too hard to find the meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note that this is a simple Assamese word, and many a times, the same word may mean slightly different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We should try to use the Assamese meaning. From that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word, meaning 'conception' or 'idea' or 'comment' etc. The meaning is clear when we say the Assamese sentence "Ei ghotonatw xomporke twmar ki dharona baru?" Some netters like Alpana and others probably may give you better sentence using the Assamese word 'dharona'. Anyhow the full meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be : A country is nothing an idea which is only required to use as a last phrase in one's address. In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam type) quote, and I can write volumes in support of this poetic or philosophical statement. Hope this will make some clarifications. More later. Thanks Rajen - Original Message - From: Himendra Thakur To: Barua25 Cc: Manoj Das ; J Kalita ; Indrajit Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Ginima Barua ; Dilip/Dil Deka ; Alpana B. Sarangapani ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Acute inferiorty complex Dear Rajen, Thanks for your letter. The points that you have raised in this letter should definitely be discussed in the net. But, I think what you so correctly said on March 5, 2006 "Assamese are already suffering from acute inferiorty complex" should be given to PRIORITY in the discussion in the assam-net. I congratulate you for pointing out this terrible thing "inferiorty complex" and most earnestly request you to run a discussion on this point in the net. I am trying to start this discussion by quoting Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not greater than my country)". The slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not greater than my country)" is actually a re-statement of what Lord Shrikrishna stated in Bhagavadgita. Killing of grand-uncle Bhishma at the "Declared Battle of Kurukshetra" was justified by Lord Shrikrishna to establish righteousness. The word "righteousness" is the translation of the word "dharma" of the verses 7&8 Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita. When Lachit said "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not greater than my country)", he was using the word "desha" to mean a Motherland whose defense was our righteous right. What Lachit said
