Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. Hieun Chang was robbed when he was backing from Kamrup to his place. After being robbed he was empty with his everything, and sitting on a stone he was thinking about his mistake. He saw a monkey was fighting with a tiger to save her childs, and after few minutes the monkey was able to recover from the tiger. Mr Chang realised, if he could also fight such. Then he went his place, he thinking about the monkey's fight against the tiger. Reaching his place, he inventend the martial art and named it Kung Fu. Untill Bruce Lee's movie Kung was not so popular beyond China region. But now it is world's most popular martial art. This is the history of invention of Kung Fu. Did you learn Kung Fu? If not why you do not buy a gun? You must have learn something after being robbed. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:12:49 -0700 From: dilipd...@yahoo.com To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for civilians in USA. Are you an NRA member? I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? Or is that too complicated? On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX X NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 10,000 crore
Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
You are taking the issue too literally Dhruba. The point should have been the totally incomparable examples, held up to be similar by Dilip. The scale, the circumstances are impossibly different. One does not even come close to the other. Dilip got robbed in Paris, while vacationing. Did he lose his house? His employment, his livelihood? Does this continue to happen to him, unabated? The people in Orissa (?) who lost their land and their livelihoods, never received compensation ( just came to light , 23 yrs. later, but no guarantee of yet receiving any). Having had no relief from the institutions of their state that some continue to wave as 'democratic' , so must be benevolent, just, timely and all things holy, they took to arms, placing their lives on the line. Now compare the two: Dilip's hardships in his Parisian vacation, and Dantewada's indigenous people who lived off their land from time immemorial, losinit to corporate greed of Vedanta. Dilip was right about not having purchased a gun to defend his property. That is because he HAS his government provide that service. If someone attempted to take a piece of his property , he can go to to the court, and he could get a decision in his life-time, actually much shorter, probably within a year. Compare that to the 23 years it took in Dantewada (?) just to be noticed by the high-court, finally. Did they get help from the police? From civil authorities? Heck NO! So do the two compare? Should Dilip have even attempted that to draw the conclusion he did? Does it look nice :-)? You know the answer. On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. Hieun Chang was robbed when he was backing from Kamrup to his place. After being robbed he was empty with his everything, and sitting on a stone he was thinking about his mistake. He saw a monkey was fighting with a tiger to save her childs, and after few minutes the monkey was able to recover from the tiger. Mr Chang realised, if he could also fight such. Then he went his place, he thinking about the monkey's fight against the tiger. Reaching his place, he inventend the martial art and named it Kung Fu. Untill Bruce Lee's movie Kung was not so popular beyond China region. But now it is world's most popular martial art. This is the history of invention of Kung Fu. Did you learn Kung Fu? If not why you do not buy a gun? You must have learn something after being robbed. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:12:49 -0700 From: dilipd...@yahoo.com To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for civilians in USA. Are you an NRA member? I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? Or is that too complicated? On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX X NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances
[Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 10,000 crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi Mumbai airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the ministry of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest Conservation Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to nail the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly violate the laws. , But the committee, even as it recommended that the mining project be disallowed, stopped short of asking for prosecution of the officials involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. , The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider the clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. Asked if the violations could be set right now, the minister said, Without prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates laws and still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with it later. , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory Committee, which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to take a final call on the forest clearance. , The report says, This committee is of the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed mining area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the security and well-being of the entire country. , The report records how the state government falsified documents and concealed information from the central government to facilitate the aluminium refinery in mining bauxite while the company encroached upon government and tribal lands with impunity. , The aluminium czar Anil Aggarwal's company has illegally -- despite legal notices from the Orissa State Pollution Control Board -- begun building a refinery to produce 6 million tonnes of aluminium per annum instead of the 1 million tonnes per annum plant that it had got the green clearance for. , The committee -- that included S Parasuraman, director of Tata Institute of Social Sciences; Promode Kant, retired forest official; and Amita Baviskar, professor at the Institute of Economic Growth -- pointed out how right from the beginning, the firm had furnished
Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 10,000 crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi Mumbai airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the ministry of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest Conservation Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to nail the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly violate the laws. , But the committee, even as it recommended that the mining project be disallowed, stopped short of asking for prosecution of the officials involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. , The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider the clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. Asked if the violations could be set right now, the minister said, Without prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates laws and still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with it later. , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory Committee, which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to take a final call on the forest clearance. , The report says, This committee is of the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed mining area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the security and well-being of the entire country. , The report records how the state government falsified documents and concealed information from the central government to facilitate the aluminium refinery in mining bauxite while the company encroached upon government and tribal lands with impunity. , The aluminium czar Anil Aggarwal's company has illegally -- despite legal notices from the Orissa State Pollution Control Board -- begun building a refinery to produce 6 million
Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? Or is that too complicated? On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 10,000 crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi Mumbai airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the ministry of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest Conservation Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to nail the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly violate the laws. , But the committee, even as it recommended that the mining project be disallowed, stopped short of asking for prosecution of the officials involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. , The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider the clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. Asked if the violations could be set right now, the minister said, Without prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates laws and still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with it later. , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory Committee, which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to take a final call on the forest clearance. , The report says, This committee is of the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed mining area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the security and well-being
Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for civilians in USA. Are you an NRA member? I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? Or is that too complicated? On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX X NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 10,000 crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi Mumbai airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the ministry of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest Conservation Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to nail the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly violate the laws. , But the committee, even as it recommended that the mining project be disallowed, stopped short of asking for prosecution of the officials involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. , The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider the clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. Asked if the violations could be set right now, the minister said, Without prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates laws and still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with it later. , The report will now
Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. *** That must be because you are a special person, one that others should emulate. You have upheld the highest of human values. Not to devalue your highly evolved status, but it does not quite compare with, say the people who did not receive compensation for property stolen from them by corporate interests, sanctioned and approved by desi-demokrasy, to come to light for 23 years, much less YET compensated. Or the news I posted minutes earlier. Or Assam's existence being noticed. I know, everyone ought to emulate your aversion to violence. But somehow, somehow, the examples don't seem equivalent. What do you think? Is it just MY propensity for violence that I am making up these unbecoming arguments, or could there just might be a lesson to learn, a reality to acknowledge? On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for civilians in USA. Are you an NRA member? I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? Or is that too complicated? On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX X NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 10,000 crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi Mumbai airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the ministry of environment and forests to investigate
Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
THERE IS NO NEED OF VIOLENCE TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS, WHETHER IT IS PERSONAL OR BROADER IN NATURE. VIOLENCE ONLY ESCALATES. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. *** That must be because you are a special person, one that others should emulate. You have upheld the highest of human values. Not to devalue your highly evolved status, but it does not quite compare with, say the people who did not receive compensation for property stolen from them by corporate interests, sanctioned and approved by desi-demokrasy, to come to light for 23 years, much less YET compensated. Or the news I posted minutes earlier. Or Assam's existence being noticed. I know, everyone ought to emulate your aversion to violence. But somehow, somehow, the examples don't seem equivalent. What do you think? Is it just MY propensity for violence that I am making up these unbecoming arguments, or could there just might be a lesson to learn, a reality to acknowledge? On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for civilians in USA. Are you an NRA member? I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? Or is that too complicated? On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX X X NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, heavy-investment projects
Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
So, if we return to, the case of Vedanta Mines , the people who lost their land and livelihoods should have taken it in their stride, emulating your example, of not purchasing a gun even after being robbed in Paris, never mind that at last , THIS robbery was held to be illegal, primarily because of ARMED REVOLT by Naxals, right? What was so hard about following your example here, is that the morale of the story? On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: THERE IS NO NEED OF VIOLENCE TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS, WHETHER IT IS PERSONAL OR BROADER IN NATURE. VIOLENCE ONLY ESCALATES. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. *** That must be because you are a special person, one that others should emulate. You have upheld the highest of human values. Not to devalue your highly evolved status, but it does not quite compare with, say the people who did not receive compensation for property stolen from them by corporate interests, sanctioned and approved by desi-demokrasy, to come to light for 23 years, much less YET compensated. Or the news I posted minutes earlier. Or Assam's existence being noticed. I know, everyone ought to emulate your aversion to violence. But somehow, somehow, the examples don't seem equivalent. What do you think? Is it just MY propensity for violence that I am making up these unbecoming arguments, or could there just might be a lesson to learn, a reality to acknowledge? On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for civilians in USA. Are you an NRA member? I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? Or is that too complicated? On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must have a gun to make a point? From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to defend your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for the people after all. cm Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX X X NEW DELHI: Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday recommended that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence
