Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
While compiling reports (apropos Mc Kinsey report) or the inequality index data are the mainstay. In the US, while preparing the retail consumer index, more than 8 items are taken into account, whereas in India, it is about 380odd, if we have to take even the report about these items taken to be correct. A few days back, someone has told me (it is unverified and has made me raise my eyebrows) that for Assam the only samples are taken from a remote place in Karimganj. Out of the 380 odd items, some of the items cited by a cricket umpire cum economist cum retd. senior officer of RBI (i do not recall the name) do not remotely relate to retail consumers at large. But there may be no denying the fact that the ranks of the middle class have swollen in India even in percentage terms. Yet, the chaos in the society has increased over time. In a state of real economic prosperity when people get soft ( individual crimes notwithstanding) the chaos should have lessened. About 30% of territory under the Maoists' and other 'extremist' ( i.e. the term as accepted in the US) influence is a distinct enhancement from the days of Telengana and Naxalbari. How do we interprete these in the light of McKinsey report. The inequality index being high in the US is expected, it being the centre of accumulation of capital and the disparity between the very rich and the rest would be high. It would also be instructive if we could compare the movement of this index in India over time. umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gini Index (of inequality - higher score more inequality) shows that USA (40.8) is far more unequal than India (36.8) , Canada (32), China (46), Chile (56), Brazil (50), Sierra Leone (62.9) Namibia (74), Panama (56.1), Haiti (59.2), Argentina (51) http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/variable-353.html I had searched for this index when I reached Canada in 2006 and saw people excited about Canada's supposed equality (just as much better than India's [4 points] than India is better than the USA) It seems looking thru colored lenses people, who are used to seeing the more unequal nations in Africa and South America and the Carribean, (in Hollywood movies like Blood Diamond [showing Sierra Leone] or Evita [about Argentinian First Lady]. I wonder the author does anything besides writing articles. I wonder if she has ever stayed in a slum . I have stayed in Gurgaon for sometime, even stayed in an Old Delhi area which might qualify for a slum. Some of us (in the US etc) might recall days without electricity when growing up in small towns in India. I recall an itinerary of a World Bank official on an official trip to India (about 2-3 weeks). In Mumbai he would (he is there already) stay in the grand Taj Mahal Hotel (Rs11,000 per night or $270) , in Delhi he would stay in Maurya Sheraton (Rs 9,500 per night or $190) , in Jaipur at Rajputana Sheraton (Rs5,000 or $125 at summer discount rate) etc etc -- why noone writes about these five star charity workers from Washington DC? Why do they need to stay in these five stars? Why cannot they stay with the poor in the slums? Umesh Rajen & Ajanta Barua wrote: >Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in number due to free enterprise. My guess on the Indian population analysis is like this: 35% Below Poverty Line 30% Poor 20% Lower Middle Class 10% Upper Middle Class 4% Rich 1% Super Rich Sorry I did not know what was the topic, but should be based on above unless somebody criticise me and come up with a better analysis. Let us now talk positive. Barua - Original Message - From: "Dilip&Dil Deka" To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life;Outside, the Servants' Slums We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in number due to free enterprise. Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the question - are they funded from government revenue in which all Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the problem? Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer to them and cause terrorism in the cities. D
Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
Hi, Sorry for the unwanted interruption. I have been living in Delhi & Gurgaon for the last 15 years including 5 yrs. in Gurgaon. There are two parts (unseen) of Gurgaon- New & Old. the Old Gurgaon is no different than other Indian metros. The crowd residing in New Gurgaon are mostly young in the age group of 25-45 yrs. of age.The livelihood of majority (about 70%) are jobs in multi-national companies, call centres, who are basically earning pure white money. Because of the boom in the economy, the salaries are very high so is the cost of living in Gurgaon, which is about 1.5 times higher than in Delhi. The majority of the people are in the higher earning group, the average earning varies from Rs. 3 lakhs per annum to Rs. 36-40 lakhs per annum and the average shall be roughly to the tune of Rs. 8 lakhs per annum. Usually you will found both husband & wife working. They spend lavishly and don't care much about savings. The datas quoted are from a reliable source. Rgds Mridul Bhuyan --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Dilip&Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Dilip&Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" <assam@assamnet.org> Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 11:37 PM If you have doubts about private money financing IPL, please read the following. You don't need to read all 100 things to get an idea. I'll also check into the Gurgaon gated apartment complex to find out how it was financed. Hopefully it will prove my point about private money being used for many such projects. Entrepreneurship and free enterprise have moved into the rest of India in a far more serious manner than in Assam. Dilip Deka = Thursday, April 17, 2008 100 Things about Indian Premier League (IPL) Indian Premier League (IPL) has created a lot of attention in the cricket world. In India, almost all the TV news channels are giving information about IPL. Many websites and newspapers have also given substantial coverage to IPL 2008. Here in this blog, we are very busy with our last minutes effort too. We have tried to give a lot of information and point you to some useful things. Now, we have taken an effort to compile a list of 100 things about Indian Premier League (IPL). Here, you will find links to some useful articles, reports, entries etc. 1. Indian Premier League (IPL) is the richest cricket tournament in the world. 2. BCCI is the organizer of IPL. 3. IPL will start on 18 April 2008. 4. The opening ceremony will take place in Bangalore. 5. Bollywood stars like Shah Rukh Khan will be present in the opening ceremony. 6. Bangalore Royal Challengers vs Kolkata Knight Riders is the first match of IPL. 7. Rahul Dravid and Sourav Ganguly will be the captains of these two clubs. 8. There will be some cheer leaders from USA to entertain the spectators in the opening day. 9. Star cricketers from all over the world are going to play in Indian Premier League (IPL). 10. IPL will be a Twenty20 format tournament. 11. Some South African players may miss a couple of matches as they have home duty. 12. Schedule of Indian Premier League (IPL) 2008 is in this link. 13. The rights of official website has been sold for $50 million to a Canadian company. 14. The rates of advertisement for TV is a bit high. 15. The people of Kolkata will perhaps see a battle of Mithun Chakraborty vs Shah Rukh Khan. 16. BCCI announced the plan of IPL after ICL came into existence. 17. No national cricket team is playing in IPL. So, fans may have a tough time to decide which team to support. 18. 8 clubs are playing in Indian Premier League 2008. 19. IPL matches will be shown live in all corners of the world. 20. Major cricket based websites like Cricinfo will have a tough time to cover IPL matches. 21. Indian Premier League would be telecast live in almost every continent of the world in different television channels. 22. A conglomerate comprising of India’s Sony Television Network and World Sport Group from Singapore has bought the global broadcasting right of Indian Premier League (IPL) for US$1.026 billion for ten years. 23. According to the deal, the consortium of Sony Television Network and World Sport Group will pay US$918 million to BCCI for the telecast right of IPL and US$108 million for promoting the tournament. 24. For the next five years meaning 2008-2012, IPL would get 20% of the money, while 72% would go to the eight franchises of IPL and 8% is allocated for prize money. After 2012, IPL would get a bigger share of the money. 25. In India, Sony SET Max would telecast the Indian Premier League (IPL) matches live for the Indian cricket fans. 26. Ten Networks television channel of Australia would bring the IPL matches live in Australia for
Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
Gini Index (of inequality - higher score more inequality) shows that USA (40.8) is far more unequal than India (36.8) , Canada (32), China (46), Chile (56), Brazil (50), Sierra Leone (62.9) Namibia (74), Panama (56.1), Haiti (59.2), Argentina (51) http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/variable-353.html I had searched for this index when I reached Canada in 2006 and saw people excited about Canada's supposed equality (just as much better than India's [4 points] than India is better than the USA) It seems looking thru colored lenses people, who are used to seeing the more unequal nations in Africa and South America and the Carribean, (in Hollywood movies like Blood Diamond [showing Sierra Leone] or Evita [about Argentinian First Lady]. I wonder the author does anything besides writing articles. I wonder if she has ever stayed in a slum . I have stayed in Gurgaon for sometime, even stayed in an Old Delhi area which might qualify for a slum. Some of us (in the US etc) might recall days without electricity when growing up in small towns in India. I recall an itinerary of a World Bank official on an official trip to India (about 2-3 weeks). In Mumbai he would (he is there already) stay in the grand Taj Mahal Hotel (Rs11,000 per night or $270) , in Delhi he would stay in Maurya Sheraton (Rs 9,500 per night or $190) , in Jaipur at Rajputana Sheraton (Rs5,000 or $125 at summer discount rate) etc etc -- why noone writes about these five star charity workers from Washington DC? Why do they need to stay in these five stars? Why cannot they stay with the poor in the slums? Umesh Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in number due to free enterprise. My guess on the Indian population analysis is like this: 35% Below Poverty Line 30% Poor 20% Lower Middle Class 10% Upper Middle Class 4% Rich 1% Super Rich Sorry I did not know what was the topic, but should be based on above unless somebody criticise me and come up with a better analysis. Let us now talk positive. Barua - Original Message - From: "Dilip&Dil Deka" To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life;Outside, the Servants' Slums We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in number due to free enterprise. Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the question - are they funded from government revenue in which all Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the problem? Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer to them and cause terrorism in the cities. Dilip Deka - Original Message From: Jyotirmoy Sharma To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:23:45 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums India's poverty is western media's obsession( whether good or bad is debatable ). In Aus, whenever there is anything shown on India, it will be mostly about slums, call centres, riots etc. There will never be any report on India's positives - be it the growing middle class, good progress in space technology etc. Maybe it is one way of telling the local population as to how priviledged they are. Coverage of local issues which make them look bad is sometimes relegated to the background. As an example of media bias, most of the IPL matches were shown live on free to air channels here. However, they cut the opening and closing ceremony. Maybe that would have raised the question, "How could a poor country be capable of such pomp and flamboyance?" JS On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye > opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. > > One is left wondering which is worse, a country that can possibily afford > to > eradicate poverty within its boundaries, or a country that flaunts > its riches that
Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
> *** OK!> Who will do that? I hope it is not PRIVATE CAPITAL to the rescue > again. You got me wrong there, C'da. Remember, porbotot 'kaaso-koni bisora' example that you gave me earlier? > > > >That is only in philosophy.> >After all, we are only humans.> >How much > > > >can one do?> >We just can't. We need to be realistic.> > > *** I don't > > > >deal with such abstract concepts as philosophy. Goes > right over my > > > >head. I am more about> tangible issues, about real problems and real > > > >solutions.> > So are we suggesting here that on account of this > > > >'humanity' of ours > we ought to ignore the humanity of others, as those > > > >that were pointed > out in the article? No. These are not suggestions. These are the "tenets" that we accept or make for ourselves as adults to make ourselves guilt-free. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:29:34 -0500> To: assam@assamnet.org> From: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good > Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums> > At 5:45 PM -0500 6/9/08, Alpana B. > Sarangapani wrote:> >Are we talking about these in greater sense or in an > Indian setting?> > > *** I don't know about others, but my comments are > specific to the > issues involved with the article--the locale, the people, > and their > unique condition.> > > > >> If corruption is eradicated, some of > these "private monies" would > become public again.> > > *** OK!> Who will > do that? I hope it is not PRIVATE CAPITAL to the rescue again.> > > > > > >That is only in philosophy.> >After all, we are only humans.> >How much can > one do?> >We just can't. We need to be realistic.> > > *** I don't deal with > such abstract concepts as philosophy. Goes > right over my head. I am more > about> tangible issues, about real problems and real solutions.> > So are we > suggesting here that on account of this 'humanity' of ours > we ought to > ignore the humanity of others, as those that were pointed > out in the > article?> > > > > > >> >If corruption is eradicated, some of these "private > monies" would > >become public again.> >> >> And WHY should private entities > be held responsible for the > >>PUBLIC > authorities' dereliction of duty> > in not providing such > >>fundamental needs as drinking water, public > > healthcare, > >>sanitation, basic education?> >Right.> >> >And these are the > things that come into mind -> >> >That is only in philosophy.> >After all, > we are only humans.> >How much can one do?> >We just can't.> >We need to be > realistic.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"In order to make spiritual > progress you must be patient like a tree > >and humble like a blade of > grass."> >> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:42:02 -0500> To: > assam@assamnet.org> > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] > NYTimes.com: > >>Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' > Slums> > I > >>think we are missing the point here. It is not a question of > > > >>whether it is PRIVATE funding.> > But what is PRIVATE? And how does > > >>it correlate with what might be PUBLIC?> > Take the very simple > > >>example Uttam provided: If this private capital > came from a > > >>minister's bribes or swindling of public funds, is it > still > >>PRIVATE > ?> > If your private capital is a result of corporate > >>welfare practised > by > India, a forced transfer public resources > >>for private enrichment, > is > it still PRIVATE?> > If this private > >>wealth is a result of > legislated market protection, > eliminating > >>competition, is it still > PRIVATE?> > If the government gives > >>subsidies to selected industries and > > enriches certain > >>individuals, is their loot still PRIVATE?> > If the > govts. > >>dereliction of duty results in private for-profit > schools and > &g
Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
>Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in number due to free enterprise. My guess on the Indian population analysis is like this: 35% Below Poverty Line 30% Poor 20% Lower Middle Class 10% Upper Middle Class 4% Rich 1% Super Rich Sorry I did not know what was the topic, but should be based on above unless somebody criticise me and come up with a better analysis. Let us now talk positive. Barua - Original Message - From: "Dilip&Dil Deka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life;Outside, the Servants' Slums We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in number due to free enterprise. Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the question - are they funded from government revenue in which all Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the problem? Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer to them and cause terrorism in the cities. Dilip Deka - Original Message From: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:23:45 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums India's poverty is western media's obsession( whether good or bad is debatable ). In Aus, whenever there is anything shown on India, it will be mostly about slums, call centres, riots etc. There will never be any report on India's positives - be it the growing middle class, good progress in space technology etc. Maybe it is one way of telling the local population as to how priviledged they are. Coverage of local issues which make them look bad is sometimes relegated to the background. As an example of media bias, most of the IPL matches were shown live on free to air channels here. However, they cut the opening and closing ceremony. Maybe that would have raised the question, "How could a poor country be capable of such pomp and flamboyance?" JS On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye > opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. > > One is left wondering which is worse, a country that can possibily afford > to > eradicate poverty within its boundaries, or a country that flaunts > its riches that it can ill afford to. :) > > --Ram > > > On 6/8/08, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In Washington DC and New York the contrast may not be so obvious > > but Harlem is a US slum near the riches of Manhattan. People do beg > > in downtown DC. DC is the crime capital of the US. Does that make Bill > > Gates or Bill Clinton apologetic or for that > > matter Thomas Friedman or Al Gore who stay in multimillion dollar > > homes and buy carbon credits. > > > > Poverty is relative -unless someone is dying of hunger. For sickness look > > at PG county govt hospitals - 10 miles from White House which as per a > local > > College Park resident ( I haven't been there) where patients sit in > > corridors for days without treatment. > > > > Umesh > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > The Good Life of Gurgaon > > > > > > INTERNATIONAL / ASIA PACIFIC | June 9, 2008 > > Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums > > By SOMINI SENGUPTA > > Gated communities have emerged in India, giving its growing > > upper-middle-class giving Western amenities, along with maids and > chauffeurs > > who live in nearby slums. > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09gated.html?ex=1213588800&en=223c319279fc0dfc&ei=5070&emc=
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At 5:45 PM -0500 6/9/08, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: >Are we talking about these in greater sense or in an Indian setting? *** I don't know about others, but my comments are specific to the issues involved with the article--the locale, the people, and their unique condition. > > If corruption is eradicated, some of these "private monies" would become public again. *** OK! Who will do that? I hope it is not PRIVATE CAPITAL to the rescue again. > >That is only in philosophy. >After all, we are only humans. >How much can one do? >We just can't. We need to be realistic. *** I don't deal with such abstract concepts as philosophy. Goes right over my head. I am more about tangible issues, about real problems and real solutions. So are we suggesting here that on account of this 'humanity' of ours we ought to ignore the humanity of others, as those that were pointed out in the article? > >If corruption is eradicated, some of these "private monies" would >become public again. > >> And WHY should private entities be held responsible for the >>PUBLIC > authorities' dereliction of duty> in not providing such >>fundamental needs as drinking water, public > healthcare, >>sanitation, basic education? >Right. > >And these are the things that come into mind - > >That is only in philosophy. >After all, we are only humans. >How much can one do? >We just can't. >We need to be realistic. > > > > > > > > > > > > >"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree >and humble like a blade of grass." > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:42:02 -0500> To: assam@assamnet.org> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: >>Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums> > I >>think we are missing the point here. It is not a question of > >>whether it is PRIVATE funding.> > But what is PRIVATE? And how does >>it correlate with what might be PUBLIC?> > Take the very simple >>example Uttam provided: If this private capital > came from a >>minister's bribes or swindling of public funds, is it > still >>PRIVATE ?> > If your private capital is a result of corporate >>welfare practised by > India, a forced transfer public resources >>for private enrichment, is > it still PRIVATE?> > If this private >>wealth is a result of legislated market protection, > eliminating >>competition, is it still PRIVATE?> > If the government gives >>subsidies to selected industries and > enriches certain >>individuals, is their loot still PRIVATE?> > If the govts. >>dereliction of duty results in private for-profit > schools and >>hospitals which enrich a few, is their wealth still > PRIVATE?> > >>If the govt. gives huge tax benefits to certain private corporate > >>entities and thereby enriching its owners, is their loot still > >>PRIVATE?> > If the govt. fails to provide drinking water to the >>public, and > private suppliers pump the aquifers dry, and enrich >>themselves by > selling this essential commodity for life, is their >>profit still > PRIVATE?> > There is plenty more. I am sure you >>catch my drift.> > Just because we choose to call something private >>NOT necessarily so.> > > And WHY should private entities be held >>responsible for the PUBLIC > authorities' dereliction of duty> in >>not providing such fundamental needs as drinking water, public > >>healthcare, sanitation, basic >>education?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:07 AM -0700 >>6/9/08, Dilip&Dil Deka wrote:> >If you have doubts about >>private money financing IPL, please read > >the following. You >>don't need to read all 100 things to get an idea.> >I'll also check >>into the Gurgaon gated apartment complex to find out > >how it was >>financed. Hopefully it will prove my point about private > >money >>being used for many such projects. Entrepreneurship and >>free > >enterprise have moved into the rest of India in a far more >>serious > >manner than in Assam.> >Dilip >>Deka> >>>=> >> >Thursday, >>April 17, 2008> >100 Things about Indian Premier League >>(IPL)> >Indian Premier League (IPL) has created a lot of attention >>in the &g
Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
Are we talking about these in greater sense or in an Indian setting? If corruption is eradicated, some of these "private monies" would become public again. > And WHY should private entities be held responsible for the PUBLIC > > authorities' dereliction of duty> in not providing such fundamental needs as > drinking water, public > healthcare, sanitation, basic education? Right. And these are the things that come into mind - That is only in philosophy. After all, we are only humans. How much can one do? We just can't. We need to be realistic. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:42:02 -0500> To: assam@assamnet.org> From: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; > Outside, the Servants' Slums> > I think we are missing the point here. It is > not a question of > whether it is PRIVATE funding.> > But what is PRIVATE? > And how does it correlate with what might be PUBLIC?> > Take the very simple > example Uttam provided: If this private capital > came from a minister's > bribes or swindling of public funds, is it > still PRIVATE ?> > If your > private capital is a result of corporate welfare practised by > India, a > forced transfer public resources for private enrichment, is > it still > PRIVATE?> > If this private wealth is a result of legislated market > protection, > eliminating competition, is it still PRIVATE?> > If the > government gives subsidies to selected industries and > enriches certain > individuals, is their loot still PRIVATE?> > If the govts. dereliction of > duty results in private for-profit > schools and hospitals which enrich a > few, is their wealth still > PRIVATE?> > If the govt. gives huge tax benefits > to certain private corporate > entities and thereby enriching its owners, is > their loot still > PRIVATE?> > If the govt. fails to provide drinking water > to the public, and > private suppliers pump the aquifers dry, and enrich > themselves by > selling this essential commodity for life, is their profit > still > PRIVATE?> > There is plenty more. I am sure you catch my drift.> > > Just because we choose to call something private NOT necessarily so.> > > And > WHY should private entities be held responsible for the PUBLIC > authorities' > dereliction of duty> in not providing such fundamental needs as drinking > water, public > healthcare, sanitation, basic education?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:07 AM -0700 6/9/08, Dilip&Dil Deka wrote:> >If you have > doubts about private money financing IPL, please read > >the following. You > don't need to read all 100 things to get an idea.> >I'll also check into the > Gurgaon gated apartment complex to find out > >how it was financed. Hopefully > it will prove my point about private > >money being used for many such > projects. Entrepreneurship and free > >enterprise have moved into the rest of > India in a far more serious > >manner than in Assam.> >Dilip Deka> > >=> > >Thursday, April 17, 2008> >100 Things about Indian Premier League (IPL)> > >Indian Premier League (IPL) has created a lot of attention in the > >cricket > world. In India, almost all the TV news channels are giving > >information > about IPL. Many websites and newspapers have also given > >substantial > coverage to IPL 2008. Here in this blog, we are very > >busy with our last > minutes effort too. We have tried to give a lot > >of information and point > you to some useful things. Now, we have > >taken an effort to compile a list > of 100 things about Indian Premier > >League (IPL). Here, you will find links > to some useful articles, > >reports, entries etc.> >1. Indian Premier League > (IPL) is the richest cricket tournament in the world.> >2. BCCI is the > organizer of IPL.> >3. IPL will start on 18 April 2008.> >4. The opening > ceremony will take place in Bangalore.> >5. Bollywood stars like Shah Rukh > Khan will be present in the > >opening ceremony.> >6. Bangalore Royal > Challengers vs Kolkata Knight Riders is the first > >match of IPL.> >7. Rahul > Dravid and Sourav Ganguly will be the captains of these two clubs.> >8. There > will be some cheer leaders from USA to e
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(Bengal, Jharkhand, Assam, Tripura and associate >member Sikkim), Hyderabad (Hyderabad, Andhra and Orissa), Delhi >(Delhi, Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh), Mohali (Haryana, Punjab, >Himachal and Jammu & Kashmir) and Jaipur (Rajasthan, Gujarat, Baroda >and Saurashtra). >78. Bangalore Royal Challengers has a 24-player squad in which 10 >players are from abroad. There are four under 22 players in the >squad. >79. Former Indian pace medium fast bowler Venkatesh Prasad is the >coach of Bangalore Royal Challengers. >80. Chennai Super Kings squad also comprises of 24 players in which >there are 7 foreign players and 6 under 22 players. >81. > >Kepler Wessels is the coach of Chennai >Super Kings in IPL 2008 tournament. >82. Deccan Chargers squad includes 20 players in total in which 8 >players are from abroad and 6 under 22 players. >83. Former Indian all rounder Robin Singh is the coach of Deccan Chargers. >84. There are 21 players in the Delhi Daredevils squad including 8 >foreign players and 5 under 22 players. >85. Greg Shipperd is the coach of Delhi Daredevils team. >86. Kings XI Punjab has a squad of 25 players in which 9 are from >abroad. There are 8 under 22 players in the squad. >87. Former coach of Sri Lanka national cricket team Tom Moody is the >coach of Kings XI Punjab. >88. Kolkata Knight Riders includes 22 players in the squad including >8 foreign players and 6 under 22 players. >89. Former Australia national cricket team coach John Buchanan has >been appointed as the coach of Kolkata Knight Riders. >90. Mumbai Indians squad consists of 27 players including 8 players >from abroad and 4 under 22 players. >91. Lalchand Rajput is the coach of Mumbai Indians team. >92. Rajasthan Royals includes 26 players in its squad in which there >are 10 foreign players and 4 under 22 players. >93. Former Australian great Shane Warne will be seen as both captain >and coach of Rajasthan Royals. >94. DLF Universal, a real estate developer from India, has become >the title sponsor of Indian Premier League (IPL) for five years for >INR 200 crore (over US$50 million). >95. Hero Honda has come under a deal of US$22.5 million to become >the associate sponsor of Indian Premier League (IPL) for five years. >96. Soft-drink company Pepsi has become the tournament's Official >Beverage for five years by signing a deal of USD 12.5 million. >97. Signing a five year deal for Rs. 106 crores (appx. US$ 26.5 >million), Kingfisher Airlines has become the IPL's umpire partner by >which the company can advertise in umpire's clothes and sponsor >third umpire's decision during the matches for next five years. >98. From all the revenues of sponsorship rights, 40% will go to IPL, >54% will be given to the eight franchises, and the remaining 6% will >be spent for prize money. >99. Indian Cricket League (IPL) has gained the approval of ICC.100. >Indian Premier League (IPL) offers a whopping Rs 12 crore prize >money. The champion team of IPL 2008 would receive a cheque of Rs >4.8 crore. The runner up side will be awarded Rs 2.4 crore. Even the >last placed team will be given Rs 40 lakh. The two losing semi >finalists can get a cheque of Rs 1.2 crore each. The fifth, sixth >and seventh placed teams, as per the points achieved in group stage >will be given Rs 80 lakh, Rs 70 lakh and Rs 50 lakh respectively. >Posted by Biplob Kishore Deb at 3:00 PM >Labels: Cricket, Indian Premier League >- Original Message >From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the >world >Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 10:15:25 AM >Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; >Outside, the Servants' Slums > >Very well analyzed Uttam. > >The example is an easily comprehensible and pervasive one. But there >are many more that are not as visible or apparent and require a >little more critical/analytical examination, even though they are >right there just underneath the surface. And it does not even take >a trained economist or political scientist to see them, if only we >keep our eyes and ears open. > >And I never cease to marvel at the thin-skinned, knee-jerk reactions >from our friends who are incapable of seeing these things in any >other light but western condescension to the Indian condition. > >Incidentally, Somini Sengupta is the daughter of an immigrant Bengali >family from Kolkata who are close friends of a close friend of ours >and is married to a Dutch indophile. She is nothing like a "India >hater" or "India-basher" as some of our friends might say, out to >make India look bad to the world. > > > > >
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ach > of Kings XI Punjab. > 88. Kolkata Knight Riders includes 22 players in the squad including 8 > foreign players and 6 under 22 players. > 89. Former Australia national cricket team coach John Buchanan has been > appointed as the coach of Kolkata Knight Riders. > 90. Mumbai Indians squad consists of 27 players including 8 players from > abroad and 4 under 22 players. > 91. Lalchand Rajput is the coach of Mumbai Indians team. > 92. Rajasthan Royals includes 26 players in its squad in which there are 10 > foreign players and 4 under 22 players. > 93. Former Australian great Shane Warne will be seen as both captain and > coach of Rajasthan Royals. > 94. DLF Universal, a real estate developer from India, has become the title > sponsor of Indian Premier League (IPL) for five years for INR 200 crore > (over US$50 million). > 95. Hero Honda has come under a deal of US$22.5 million to become the > associate sponsor of Indian Premier League (IPL) for five years. > 96. Soft-drink company Pepsi has become the tournament's Official Beverage > for five years by signing a deal of USD 12.5 million. > 97. Signing a five year deal for Rs. 106 crores (appx. US$ 26.5 million), > Kingfisher Airlines has become the IPL's umpire partner by which the company > can advertise in umpire's clothes and sponsor third umpire's decision during > the matches for next five years. > 98. From all the revenues of sponsorship rights, 40% will go to IPL, 54% > will be given to the eight franchises, and the remaining 6% will be spent > for prize money. > 99. Indian Cricket League (IPL) has gained the approval of ICC.100. Indian > Premier League (IPL) offers a whopping Rs 12 crore prize money. The champion > team of IPL 2008 would receive a cheque of Rs 4.8 crore. The runner up side > will be awarded Rs 2.4 crore. Even the last placed team will be given Rs 40 > lakh. The two losing semi finalists can get a cheque of Rs 1.2 crore each. > The fifth, sixth and seventh placed teams, as per the points achieved in > group stage will be given Rs 80 lakh, Rs 70 lakh and Rs 50 lakh > respectively. > Posted by Biplob Kishore Deb at 3:00 PM > Labels: Cricket, Indian Premier League > - Original Message > From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world < > assam@assamnet.org> > Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 10:15:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, > the Servants' Slums > > Very well analyzed Uttam. > > The example is an easily comprehensible and pervasive one. But there > are many more that are not as visible or apparent and require a > little more critical/analytical examination, even though they are > right there just underneath the surface. And it does not even take > a trained economist or political scientist to see them, if only we > keep our eyes and ears open. > > And I never cease to marvel at the thin-skinned, knee-jerk reactions > from our friends who are incapable of seeing these things in any > other light but western condescension to the Indian condition. > > Incidentally, Somini Sengupta is the daughter of an immigrant Bengali > family from Kolkata who are close friends of a close friend of ours > and is married to a Dutch indophile. She is nothing like a "India > hater" or "India-basher" as some of our friends might say, out to > make India look bad to the world. > > > > > > > > > > At 3:54 PM +0100 6/9/08, uttam borthakur wrote: > > >>>>>>>>Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is > >really private, and if so how. > > > > That's what I was pointing at by mentioning the Orwellian > >Newspeak. The term 'Globalisation' was flaunted as the end of all > >ills, as capital will flow to the peripheries from the points of > >concentration. But after all these years, it is reported that net > >flow is from periphery to concentration. The vocabulary is managed > >to end all discussion. The question is how private is the private? > >Suppose a minister has Rs.10 lakh in his pocket given by a private > >businessman who made his money by not supplying according to the > >tender. Apparently, it is private money that is in the minister's > >pocket. > > > >Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If > >>they are totally funded with private >capital and are > >>self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about > >>their being. > > > > > > Think a bi
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lothes and sponsor third umpire’s decision during the matches for next five years. 98. From all the revenues of sponsorship rights, 40% will go to IPL, 54% will be given to the eight franchises, and the remaining 6% will be spent for prize money. 99. Indian Cricket League (IPL) has gained the approval of ICC.100. Indian Premier League (IPL) offers a whopping Rs 12 crore prize money. The champion team of IPL 2008 would receive a cheque of Rs 4.8 crore. The runner up side will be awarded Rs 2.4 crore. Even the last placed team will be given Rs 40 lakh. The two losing semi finalists can get a cheque of Rs 1.2 crore each. The fifth, sixth and seventh placed teams, as per the points achieved in group stage will be given Rs 80 lakh, Rs 70 lakh and Rs 50 lakh respectively. Posted by Biplob Kishore Deb at 3:00 PM Labels: Cricket, Indian Premier League - Original Message From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 10:15:25 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums Very well analyzed Uttam. The example is an easily comprehensible and pervasive one. But there are many more that are not as visible or apparent and require a little more critical/analytical examination, even though they are right there just underneath the surface. And it does not even take a trained economist or political scientist to see them, if only we keep our eyes and ears open. And I never cease to marvel at the thin-skinned, knee-jerk reactions from our friends who are incapable of seeing these things in any other light but western condescension to the Indian condition. Incidentally, Somini Sengupta is the daughter of an immigrant Bengali family from Kolkata who are close friends of a close friend of ours and is married to a Dutch indophile. She is nothing like a "India hater" or "India-basher" as some of our friends might say, out to make India look bad to the world. At 3:54 PM +0100 6/9/08, uttam borthakur wrote: > >>>>>>>>Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is >really private, and if so how. > > That's what I was pointing at by mentioning the Orwellian >Newspeak. The term 'Globalisation' was flaunted as the end of all >ills, as capital will flow to the peripheries from the points of >concentration. But after all these years, it is reported that net >flow is from periphery to concentration. The vocabulary is managed >to end all discussion. The question is how private is the private? >Suppose a minister has Rs.10 lakh in his pocket given by a private >businessman who made his money by not supplying according to the >tender. Apparently, it is private money that is in the minister's >pocket. > >Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If >>they are totally funded with private >capital and are >>self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about >>their being. > > > Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is >really private, and if so how. > > > > > > > > >At 5:49 AM -0700 6/9/08, Dilip&Dil Deka wrote: >>We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor >>in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in >>number due to free enterprise. >>Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the >>question - are they funded from government revenue in which all >>Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark >>contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with >>private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot >>you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs >>its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the >>residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the >>problem? >>Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving >>the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. >>Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian >>entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer >>to them and cause terrorism in the cities. >>Dilip Deka >> >> >>- Original Message >>From: Jyotirmoy Sharma >>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the >>world >>Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:23:45 AM >>Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; >>Outside, the Servants' Slums >> >>
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Very well analyzed Uttam. The example is an easily comprehensible and pervasive one. But there are many more that are not as visible or apparent and require a little more critical/analytical examination, even though they are right there just underneath the surface. And it does not even take a trained economist or political scientist to see them, if only we keep our eyes and ears open. And I never cease to marvel at the thin-skinned, knee-jerk reactions from our friends who are incapable of seeing these things in any other light but western condescension to the Indian condition. Incidentally, Somini Sengupta is the daughter of an immigrant Bengali family from Kolkata who are close friends of a close friend of ours and is married to a Dutch indophile. She is nothing like a "India hater" or "India-basher" as some of our friends might say, out to make India look bad to the world. At 3:54 PM +0100 6/9/08, uttam borthakur wrote: > >>>>>>>>Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is >really private, and if so how. > > That's what I was pointing at by mentioning the Orwellian >Newspeak. The term 'Globalisation' was flaunted as the end of all >ills, as capital will flow to the peripheries from the points of >concentration. But after all these years, it is reported that net >flow is from periphery to concentration. The vocabulary is managed >to end all discussion. The question is how private is the private? >Suppose a minister has Rs.10 lakh in his pocket given by a private >businessman who made his money by not supplying according to the >tender. Apparently, it is private money that is in the minister's >pocket. > >Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If >>they are totally funded with private >capital and are >>self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about >>their being. > > > Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is >really private, and if so how. > > > > > > > > >At 5:49 AM -0700 6/9/08, Dilip&Dil Deka wrote: >>We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor >>in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in >>number due to free enterprise. >>Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the >>question - are they funded from government revenue in which all >>Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark >>contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with >>private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot >>you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs >>its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the >>residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the >>problem? >>Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving >>the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. >>Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian >>entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer >>to them and cause terrorism in the cities. >>Dilip Deka >> >> >>- Original Message >>From: Jyotirmoy Sharma >>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the >>world >>Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:23:45 AM >>Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; >>Outside, the Servants' Slums >> >>India's poverty is western media's obsession( whether good or bad is >>debatable ). >>In Aus, whenever there is anything shown on India, it will be mostly about >>slums, call centres, riots etc. There will never be any report on India's >>positives - be it the growing middle class, good progress in space >>technology etc. Maybe it is one way of telling the local population as to >>how priviledged they are. Coverage of local issues which make them look bad >>is sometimes relegated to the background. > >As an example of media bias, most of the IPL matches were shown live on free > >to air channels here. However, they cut the opening and closing ceremony. >>Maybe that would have raised the question, "How could a poor country be >>capable of such pomp and flamboyance?" >> >>JS >> >> >> >> >>On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >> >>> C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye >>> opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. >>&
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>>>>>>>>Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is really private, and if so how. That's what I was pointing at by mentioning the Orwellian Newspeak. The term 'Globalisation' was flaunted as the end of all ills, as capital will flow to the peripheries from the points of concentration. But after all these years, it is reported that net flow is from periphery to concentration. The vocabulary is managed to end all discussion. The question is how private is the private? Suppose a minister has Rs.10 lakh in his pocket given by a private businessman who made his money by not supplying according to the tender. Apparently, it is private money that is in the minister's pocket. Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If >they are totally funded with private >capital and are >self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about >their being. Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is really private, and if so how. At 5:49 AM -0700 6/9/08, Dilip&Dil Deka wrote: >We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor >in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in >number due to free enterprise. >Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the >question - are they funded from government revenue in which all >Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark >contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with >private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot >you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs >its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the >residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the >problem? >Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving >the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. >Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian >entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer >to them and cause terrorism in the cities. >Dilip Deka > > >- Original Message ---- >From: Jyotirmoy Sharma >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the >world >Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:23:45 AM >Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; >Outside, the Servants' Slums > >India's poverty is western media's obsession( whether good or bad is >debatable ). >In Aus, whenever there is anything shown on India, it will be mostly about >slums, call centres, riots etc. There will never be any report on India's >positives - be it the growing middle class, good progress in space >technology etc. Maybe it is one way of telling the local population as to >how priviledged they are. Coverage of local issues which make them look bad >is sometimes relegated to the background. >As an example of media bias, most of the IPL matches were shown live on free >to air channels here. However, they cut the opening and closing ceremony. >Maybe that would have raised the question, "How could a poor country be >capable of such pomp and flamboyance?" > >JS > > > > >On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >> C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye >> opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. >> >> One is left wondering which is worse, a country that can possibily afford >> to >> eradicate poverty within its boundaries, or a country that flaunts >> its riches that it can ill afford to. :) >> >> --Ram >> >> >> On 6/8/08, umesh sharma wrote: >> > >> > In Washington DC and New York the contrast may not be so obvious >> > but Harlem is a US slum near the riches of Manhattan. People do beg >> > in downtown DC. DC is the crime capital of the US. Does that make Bill >> > Gates or Bill Clinton apologetic or for that >> > matter Thomas Friedman or Al Gore who stay in multimillion dollar >> > homes and buy carbon credits. >> > >> > Poverty is relative -unless someone is dying of hunger. For sickness look >> > at PG county govt hospitals - 10 miles from White House which as per a >> local >> > College Park resident ( I haven't been there) where patients sit in >> > corridors for days without treatment. >> > >> > Umesh >> > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: >> >
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> They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If >they are totally funded with private >capital and are >self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about >their being. Think a bit more, and tell us if this "PRIVATE CAPITAL" is really private, and if so how. At 5:49 AM -0700 6/9/08, Dilip&Dil Deka wrote: >We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor >in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in >number due to free enterprise. >Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the >question - are they funded from government revenue in which all >Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark >contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with >private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot >you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs >its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the >residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the >problem? >Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving >the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. >Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian >entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer >to them and cause terrorism in the cities. >Dilip Deka > > >- Original Message >From: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the >world >Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:23:45 AM >Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; >Outside, the Servants' Slums > >India's poverty is western media's obsession( whether good or bad is >debatable ). >In Aus, whenever there is anything shown on India, it will be mostly about >slums, call centres, riots etc. There will never be any report on India's >positives - be it the growing middle class, good progress in space >technology etc. Maybe it is one way of telling the local population as to >how priviledged they are. Coverage of local issues which make them look bad >is sometimes relegated to the background. >As an example of media bias, most of the IPL matches were shown live on free >to air channels here. However, they cut the opening and closing ceremony. >Maybe that would have raised the question, "How could a poor country be >capable of such pomp and flamboyance?" > >JS > > > > >On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye >> opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. >> >> One is left wondering which is worse, a country that can possibily afford >> to >> eradicate poverty within its boundaries, or a country that flaunts >> its riches that it can ill afford to. :) >> >> --Ram >> >> >> On 6/8/08, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > In Washington DC and New York the contrast may not be so obvious >> > but Harlem is a US slum near the riches of Manhattan. People do beg >> > in downtown DC. DC is the crime capital of the US. Does that make Bill >> > Gates or Bill Clinton apologetic or for that >> > matter Thomas Friedman or Al Gore who stay in multimillion dollar >> > homes and buy carbon credits. >> > >> > Poverty is relative -unless someone is dying of hunger. For sickness look >> > at PG county govt hospitals - 10 miles from White House which as per a >> local >> > College Park resident ( I haven't been there) where patients sit in >> > corridors for days without treatment. >> > >> > Umesh >> > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > The Good Life of Gurgaon >> > >> > >> > INTERNATIONAL / ASIA PACIFIC | June 9, 2008 >> > Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums > > > By SOMINI SENGUPTA >> > Gated communities have emerged in India, giving its growing >> > upper-middle-class giving Western amenities, along with maids and >> chauffeurs >> > who live in nearby slums. >> > >> > >> > >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09gated.html?ex=1213588800&en=223c319279fc0dfc&ei=5070&emc=eta1 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
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We all agree that there is a vast gap between the rich and the poor in India. Slowly but surely, India's middle class is also growing in number due to free enterprise. Before we criticize the likes of Gurgaon and IPL, we need to ask the question - are they funded from government revenue in which all Indian citizens have a claim? They may be opulent and in stark contrast with the surroundings. If they are totally funded with private capital and are self-sufficient, there is not a whole lot you can complain about their being. If the Gurgaon complex installs its own generators to get UPS, why should they be criticized? If the residents manicure their lawns with their own money, where is the problem? Should the residents of Gurgaon spend time and money in improving the lives of Shephali Das and her kids? MOST DEFINITELY. Most entrepreneurs in the western world do and it is a trait Indian entrepreneurs lack. THEY NEED TO WAKE UP before Maoists move closer to them and cause terrorism in the cities. Dilip Deka - Original Message From: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:23:45 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums India's poverty is western media's obsession( whether good or bad is debatable ). In Aus, whenever there is anything shown on India, it will be mostly about slums, call centres, riots etc. There will never be any report on India's positives - be it the growing middle class, good progress in space technology etc. Maybe it is one way of telling the local population as to how priviledged they are. Coverage of local issues which make them look bad is sometimes relegated to the background. As an example of media bias, most of the IPL matches were shown live on free to air channels here. However, they cut the opening and closing ceremony. Maybe that would have raised the question, "How could a poor country be capable of such pomp and flamboyance?" JS On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye > opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. > > One is left wondering which is worse, a country that can possibily afford > to > eradicate poverty within its boundaries, or a country that flaunts > its riches that it can ill afford to. :) > > --Ram > > > On 6/8/08, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In Washington DC and New York the contrast may not be so obvious > > but Harlem is a US slum near the riches of Manhattan. People do beg > > in downtown DC. DC is the crime capital of the US. Does that make Bill > > Gates or Bill Clinton apologetic or for that > > matter Thomas Friedman or Al Gore who stay in multimillion dollar > > homes and buy carbon credits. > > > > Poverty is relative -unless someone is dying of hunger. For sickness look > > at PG county govt hospitals - 10 miles from White House which as per a > local > > College Park resident ( I haven't been there) where patients sit in > > corridors for days without treatment. > > > > Umesh > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > The Good Life of Gurgaon > > > > > > INTERNATIONAL / ASIA PACIFIC | June 9, 2008 > > Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums > > By SOMINI SENGUPTA > > Gated communities have emerged in India, giving its growing > > upper-middle-class giving Western amenities, along with maids and > chauffeurs > > who live in nearby slums. > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09gated.html?ex=1213588800&en=223c319279fc0dfc&ei=5070&emc=eta1 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ABOUT THIS E-MAIL > > This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This > > Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 > > > > Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company > > ___ > > assam mailing list > > assam@assamnet.org > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > Washington D.C. > > > > 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] > > > > Ed.M. - International Education Policy > > Harvard Graduate School of Education, >
Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
India's poverty is western media's obsession( whether good or bad is debatable ). In Aus, whenever there is anything shown on India, it will be mostly about slums, call centres, riots etc. There will never be any report on India's positives - be it the growing middle class, good progress in space technology etc. Maybe it is one way of telling the local population as to how priviledged they are. Coverage of local issues which make them look bad is sometimes relegated to the background. As an example of media bias, most of the IPL matches were shown live on free to air channels here. However, they cut the opening and closing ceremony. Maybe that would have raised the question, "How could a poor country be capable of such pomp and flamboyance?" JS On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye > opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. > > One is left wondering which is worse, a country that can possibily afford > to > eradicate poverty within its boundaries, or a country that flaunts > its riches that it can ill afford to. :) > > --Ram > > > On 6/8/08, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In Washington DC and New York the contrast may not be so obvious > > but Harlem is a US slum near the riches of Manhattan. People do beg > > in downtown DC. DC is the crime capital of the US. Does that make Bill > > Gates or Bill Clinton apologetic or for that > > matter Thomas Friedman or Al Gore who stay in multimillion dollar > > homes and buy carbon credits. > > > > Poverty is relative -unless someone is dying of hunger. For sickness look > > at PG county govt hospitals - 10 miles from White House which as per a > local > > College Park resident ( I haven't been there) where patients sit in > > corridors for days without treatment. > > > > Umesh > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > The Good Life of Gurgaon > > > > > > INTERNATIONAL / ASIA PACIFIC | June 9, 2008 > > Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums > > By SOMINI SENGUPTA > > Gated communities have emerged in India, giving its growing > > upper-middle-class giving Western amenities, along with maids and > chauffeurs > > who live in nearby slums. > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09gated.html?ex=1213588800&en=223c319279fc0dfc&ei=5070&emc=eta1 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ABOUT THIS E-MAIL > > This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This > > Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 > > > > Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company > > ___ > > assam mailing list > > assam@assamnet.org > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > Washington D.C. > > > > 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] > > > > Ed.M. - International Education Policy > > Harvard Graduate School of Education, > > Harvard University, > > Class of 2005 > > > > http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) > > > > http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) > > > > > > > > > > www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) > > http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/ > > > > > > > > http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ > > > > - > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > > A Smarter Email. > > ___ > > assam mailing list > > assam@assamnet.org > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > ___ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Chandan Da Such are the reasons why I could not agree whole-heartedly with Alpana Baideo (Alpana Sarangapani) when she opined that what is Rs.10 lakh or Rs.14 lakh for a minister when middle-class of India speak in terms of crores. Some of things that sounded theoretical at one time have become too obvious with the onward march of globalisation ( net free flow of capital from periphery to the centre than the much vaunted opposite way) and I do not know whether it augurs well for the people who sing its paen. And it is now more or less accepted fact that parallel governance run in a substantial part of India with their considerable influence in other parts aggregating to about one-third of the land area. If not otherwise, it at least indicates that all is not well in the state of Bohemia. In these days of orweliian newspaek in India, it is interesting to note that someone reported about the contrast between the gated community and the serving slums. Thanks for the link. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Good Life of Gurgaon INTERNATIONAL / ASIA PACIFIC | June 9, 2008 Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums By SOMINI SENGUPTA Gated communities have emerged in India, giving its growing upper-middle-class giving Western amenities, along with maids and chauffeurs who live in nearby slums. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09gated.html?ex=1213588800&en=223c319279fc0dfc&ei=5070&emc=eta1 -- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur - Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums
C'da thanks for the article, its a good article (though not an eye opener) and Umesh, you raise some good points. One is left wondering which is worse, a country that can possibily afford to eradicate poverty within its boundaries, or a country that flaunts its riches that it can ill afford to. :) --Ram On 6/8/08, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In Washington DC and New York the contrast may not be so obvious > but Harlem is a US slum near the riches of Manhattan. People do beg > in downtown DC. DC is the crime capital of the US. Does that make Bill > Gates or Bill Clinton apologetic or for that > matter Thomas Friedman or Al Gore who stay in multimillion dollar > homes and buy carbon credits. > > Poverty is relative -unless someone is dying of hunger. For sickness look > at PG county govt hospitals - 10 miles from White House which as per a local > College Park resident ( I haven't been there) where patients sit in > corridors for days without treatment. > > Umesh > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The Good Life of Gurgaon > > > INTERNATIONAL / ASIA PACIFIC | June 9, 2008 > Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums > By SOMINI SENGUPTA > Gated communities have emerged in India, giving its growing > upper-middle-class giving Western amenities, along with maids and chauffeurs > who live in nearby slums. > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09gated.html?ex=1213588800&en=223c319279fc0dfc&ei=5070&emc=eta1 > > > > > -- > > ABOUT THIS E-MAIL > This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This > Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 > > Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company > ___ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > Umesh Sharma > > Washington D.C. > > 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] > > Ed.M. - International Education Policy > Harvard Graduate School of Education, > Harvard University, > Class of 2005 > > http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) > > http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) > > > > > www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) > http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/ > > > > http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ > > - > Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > A Smarter Email. > ___ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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In Washington DC and New York the contrast may not be so obvious but Harlem is a US slum near the riches of Manhattan. People do beg in downtown DC. DC is the crime capital of the US. Does that make Bill Gates or Bill Clinton apologetic or for that matter Thomas Friedman or Al Gore who stay in multimillion dollar homes and buy carbon credits. Poverty is relative -unless someone is dying of hunger. For sickness look at PG county govt hospitals - 10 miles from White House which as per a local College Park resident ( I haven't been there) where patients sit in corridors for days without treatment. Umesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Good Life of Gurgaon INTERNATIONAL / ASIA PACIFIC | June 9, 2008 Inside Gate, India's Good Life; Outside, the Servants' Slums By SOMINI SENGUPTA Gated communities have emerged in India, giving its growing upper-middle-class giving Western amenities, along with maids and chauffeurs who live in nearby slums. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09gated.html?ex=1213588800&en=223c319279fc0dfc&ei=5070&emc=eta1 -- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/ http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
