Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Hi Mayur: you can give a thought to RB's suggestion. *** Which suggestion Mayur? A: Use English in the interaction with India ?. *** That is a good idea Mayur. I will keep that in mind. Rajen surely scored big with this idea. B: you should go and spend some real time in Assam to know and face the reality. *** That is a good idea too. I will think of it. And via Bangkok sounds like another good idea too. Have not been thru Thailand since 1970. But just so you folks who think I am out of touch with Assam, are up-to-date with things; I have been there three times in the last two years. That is not to suggest I am on top of the goings on in Assam, particularly when 'Assam' is not defined. The definition is important because, to most folks here in Assamnet, the image of Assam is what they grew up in---mostly middle class folks from Guwahati, or a few privileged elite and important people from the hinterland, whose image of Assam is that of a safe ,predictable environment with economic security, guaranteed mostly by a 'sorcar' running on handouts from the mai-baap from Delhi. That is a skewed view of Assam, if you asked me. And I have a far better knowledge of Assam than those I describe above. C: I am looking forward to seeing Rajen's explanations on his so-called Assamese and the short-shrift given by the ULFA to their partners who are not Assamese, or whatever else he might have alluded to. But in case Rajen cannot muster the courage to explain what he was attempting to suggest; as one who seems to be in tune with what he meant, perhaps YOU will be kind enough to enlighten us, with reference to context. cm :-) At 8:17 PM -0700 10/18/05, mayur bora wrote: Dear Mahanta da you can give a thought to RB's suggestion. May be you will bring a fresh whiff of air to this debate. I am sure you might also be keen to visit Assam. On a lighter vain, if you allow me, I want to say something. You can fly to Assam via Bangkok, not necessarily via India. Mayur Chandigarh --- Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean? Are we implying that they may not be Assamese, but are 'so-called'? Or are they perhaps something else in the guise of 'Assamese'? *** Who are those groups? Are they part of ULFA, but ULFA did not give them representation by choosing a bunch of 'so-called Assamese'? Chandan: I think instead of wasting time here in the net arguing theoritically, you should go and spend some real time in Assam to know and face the reality. Your questions simply shows your ignorance of what is going on in Assam. Rajen - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; Bartta Bistar ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India. Is the PCG all consist of so called 'Assamese'? What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean? Are we implying that they may not be Assamese, but are 'so-called'? Or are they perhaps something else in the guise of 'Assamese'? Are any of the groups who recently claimed that they are not Assamese are represented here? *** Who are those groups? Are they part of ULFA, but ULFA did not give them representation by choosing a bunch of 'so-called Assamese'? What is the thrust of the query here Rajen? c At 3:32 PM -0500 10/18/05, Rajen Barua wrote: The list disclosed by the outfit featured the names of Mukul Mahanta (Bureaucrat), Ajit Bhuyan (Editor, Aji), Hyder Hussain (Editor, Asomiya Pratidin), Brajen Gogoi (medical practitioner), Arup Borbora (Advocate, Gauhati High Court), Dilip Patgiri (president AJYCP), Lachit Bordoloi (Adviser, MASS), Diganta Konwar (Journalist) and Hiranya Saikia (Sports organizer) Is the PCG all consist of so called 'Assamese'? Are any of the groups who recently claimed that they are not Assamese are represented here? RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Bartta Bistar ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India. Mukul Mahanta (Bureaucrat), What a riot! Mukul Mahanta , a bureaucrat? Without a doubt Assam Tribune is a piece of work. cm At 7:27 AM + 10/5/05, Bartta Bistar wrote: Centre-PCG talks on Oct 25-26 http://www.assamtribune.com/ 5 October 2005 From Our Staff Correspondent NEW DELHI, Oct 4 - The much-awaited talks between the Government of India and the people's consultative group (PCG), formed by the United Liberation Front
Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Chandan: This is my sincere advise since I don't have time tp spend on debates any more. To do proper service to Assam and to your brother who is in the front and from whom you got the inspiration (It is simply beyond my imaginationhow a great person of the stature of your brother can fall for ULFA and how he can letthem exploit him for their purpose) , you should take time off from the American Arm Chair on the bank of Missouri and plan to visit and spend some time on thebank of Luit. I suggest you take a two or three months plan and tour the entire NE India, the seven sisters and Bhutan, and if you can withstand visit some places in India. May be you also take some time to meditateon the bank of Luit to get some enlightenment.In the process you will see first hand what is going on. The trip willgive you and all of us a new life and ideas, and that is the greatest contribution you can make for the cause of Assam in your entire life.Without that you seem to have exhausted your experience and ideas, and what is left in you is you simply your high intelligence and romance which will not take you any distance at all in the real world. Without that you cannot have any conviction of what you say. This time I spend about a month but felt I needed more time and visit more places, and I am planning to do that somehow in near future. Best of Luck Rajen - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "mayur bora" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India. Hi Mayur: you can give a thought to RB's suggestion. *** Which suggestion Mayur? A: "Use English in the interaction with India" ?. *** That is a good idea Mayur. I will keep that in mind. Rajen surely scored big with this idea. B: you should go and spend some real time in Assam to know and face the reality. *** That is a good idea too. I will think of it. And via Bangkok sounds like another good idea too. Have not been thru Thailand since 1970. But just so you folks who think I am out of touch with Assam, are up-to-date with things; I have been there three times in the last two years. That is not to suggest I am on top of the goings on in Assam, particularly when 'Assam' is not defined. The definition is important because, to most folks here in Assamnet, the image of Assam is what they grew up in---mostly middle class folks from Guwahati, or a few privileged elite and "important" people from the hinterland, whose image of Assam is that of a safe ,predictable environment with economic security, guaranteed mostly by a 'sorcar' running on handouts from the mai-baap from Delhi. That is a skewed view of Assam, if you asked me. And I have a far better knowledge of Assam than those I describe above. C: I am looking forward to seeing Rajen's explanations on his "so-called Assamese" and the short-shrift given by the ULFA to their partners who are not Assamese, or whatever else he might have alluded to. But in case Rajen cannot muster the courage to explain what he was attempting to suggest; as one who seems to be in tune with what he meant, perhaps YOU will be kind enough to enlighten us, with reference to context. cm :-) At 8:17 PM -0700 10/18/05, mayur bora wrote: Dear Mahanta da you can give a thought to RB's suggestion. May be you will bring a fresh whiff of air to this debate. I am sure you might also be keen to visit Assam. On a lighter vain, if you allow me, I want to say something. You can fly to Assam via Bangkok, not necessarily via India. Mayur Chandigarh --- Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean? Are we implying that they may not be Assamese, but are 'so-called'? Or are they perhaps something else in the guise of 'Assamese'? *** Who are those groups? Are they part of ULFA, but ULFA did not give them representation by choosing a bunch of 'so-called Assamese'? Chandan: I think instead of wasting time here in the net arguing theoritically, you should go and spend some real time in Assam to know and face the reality. Your questions simply shows your ignorance of what is going on in Assam. Rajen - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; Bartta Bistar ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India. Is the PCG all consist of so called 'Assamese'? What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean? Are we implying that they may not be Assamese, but are 'so-called'? Or are they perhaps so
Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Hi Mahanta da I am in tune with RB on his suggestion for to you spend more time in Assam. I am not sure what he meant by 'PCG so called Assamese issue'. PCG seems to be an intelligent but ephemeral instrument in the game of shadow boxing ULFA guys are trying to play with GoI. Call me pessimist or whatever you like. This will lead us nowhere. I would be happy if I am proved wrong in future. Kindly sprinkle your valuable knowledge about Assam on assamnet for the collective benefit of the netters. Tell us what majority of kharkhowas want back home. Uncertain future in a sovereign Assam or immediate peace within India. Rest it would be better if RB himself explains his viewpoints and clarifies your queries. Bye for now. Mayur Chandigarh --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rajen: Yours is no doubt a sound advice for me to go spend time in Assam. I will certainly consider it. But I am still curious about what you wrote in the last couple of days. I presume you are able to explain what you wrote. I am sure it is not unreasonable to expect that we should be able to explain what we say, more so when we put them down in writing, in a forum such as this. I can't help noticing your attempts to hide from what you wrote. See Rajen, I have always held YOU in high esteem for the courage of your convictions. That is why it will be terribly disappointing, if you attempt to run from your OWN statements here, unable or unwilling to explain what you mean. Finally, it is not about my brother or me or you. It is about issues. You of all people ought to know that well. But you took stabs at personalities, several times, at the PCG members. Which is fine as long as you have your reasons. But why can't you explain when challenged? I realize, few if any of us relish the prospect of shoving foot in the mouth in full public view. That is a very effective deterrence against mouthing off, something people with questionable intellect usually indulge in. Something tells me that is what is holding you back from standing behind your own mouthing off. But I will stand corrected, should you be able to rise to the occasion of explaining and standing behind what you wrote. Take care. c At 9:52 AM -0500 10/19/05, Rajen Barua wrote: Chandan: This is my sincere advise since I don't have time tp spend on debates any more. To do proper service to Assam and to your brother who is in the front and from whom you got the inspiration (It is simply beyond my imagination how a great person of the stature of your brother can fall for ULFA and how he can let them exploit him for their purpose) , you should take time off from the American Arm Chair on the bank of Missouri and plan to visit and spend some time on the bank of Luit. I suggest you take a two or three months plan and tour the entire NE India, the seven sisters and Bhutan, and if you can withstand visit some places in India. May be you also take some time to meditate on the bank of Luit to get some enlightenment. In the process you will see first hand what is going on. The trip will give you and all of us a new life and ideas, and that is the greatest contribution you can make for the cause of Assam in your entire life. Without that you seem to have exhausted your experience and ideas, and what is left in you is you simply your high intelligence and romance which will not take you any distance at all in the real world. Without that you cannot have any conviction of what you say. This time I spend about a month but felt I needed more time and visit more places, and I am planning to do that somehow in near future. Best of Luck Rajen - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mayur bora mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rajen Barua mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bartta Bistar mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailto:assam@assamnet.orgassam@assamnet.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India. Hi Mayur: you can give a thought to RB's suggestion. *** Which suggestion Mayur? A: Use English in the interaction with India ?. *** That is a good idea Mayur. I will keep that in mind. Rajen surely scored big with this idea. B: you should go and spend some real time in Assam to know and face the reality. *** That is a good idea too. I will think of it. And via Bangkok sounds like another good idea too. Have not been thru Thailand since 1970. But just so you folks who think I am out of touch with Assam, are up-to-date with things; I have been there three times in the last two years. That is not to suggest I am on top of the goings on in Assam, particularly when 'Assam
Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Dear Mahanta da
you can give a thought to RB's suggestion. May be you
will bring a fresh whiff of air to this debate. I am
sure you might also be keen to visit Assam. On a
lighter vain, if you allow me, I want to say
something. You can fly to Assam via Bangkok, not
necessarily via India.
Mayur
Chandigarh
--- Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language debacle. Use
English What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean?
Are we implying that they may not be Assamese, but
are 'so-called'? Or are they perhaps something else
in the guise of 'Assamese'?
*** Who are those groups? Are they part of ULFA,
but ULFA did not give them representation by
choosing a bunch of 'so-called Assamese'?
Chandan:
I think instead of wasting time here in the net
arguing theoritically, you should go and spend some
real time in Assam to know and face the reality.
Your questions simply shows your ignorance of what
is going on in Assam.
Rajen
- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Rajen Barua ; Bartta Bistar ;
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language
debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Is the PCG all consist of so called 'Assamese'?
What does 'so-called Assamese ' mean? Are we
implying that they may not be Assamese, but are
'so-called'? Or are they perhaps something else in
the guise of 'Assamese'?
Are any of the groups who recently claimed that
they are not Assamese are represented here?
*** Who are those groups? Are they part of ULFA,
but ULFA did not give them representation by
choosing a bunch of 'so-called Assamese'?
What is the thrust of the query here Rajen?
c
At 3:32 PM -0500 10/18/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
The list disclosed by the outfit featured the
names of Mukul Mahanta (Bureaucrat), Ajit Bhuyan
(Editor, Aji), Hyder Hussain (Editor, Asomiya
Pratidin), Brajen Gogoi (medical practitioner),
Arup Borbora (Advocate, Gauhati High Court), Dilip
Patgiri (president AJYCP), Lachit Bordoloi
(Adviser, MASS), Diganta Konwar (Journalist) and
Hiranya Saikia (Sports organizer)
Is the PCG all consist of so called
'Assamese'? Are any of the groups who recently
claimed that they are not Assamese are represented
here?
RB
- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Bartta Bistar ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] PCG, bury 1960's language
debacle. Use English in the interaction with India.
Mukul Mahanta (Bureaucrat),
What a riot!
Mukul Mahanta , a bureaucrat?
Without a doubt Assam Tribune is a piece of
work.
cm
At 7:27 AM + 10/5/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:
Centre-PCG talks on Oct 25-26
http://www.assamtribune.com/ 5 October 2005
From Our Staff Correspondent
NEW DELHI, Oct 4 - The much-awaited talks
between the Government of India and the people's
consultative group (PCG), formed by the United
Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) will be held on
October 25-26. This decision was arrived at, at a
meeting the National Security Adviser Sri NK
Narayanan had with noted litterateur Dr Mamoni
Raisom Goswami and member of the PCG, Rebati Phukan
here today.
Talking to newsmen after the meeting, Dr
Goswami said that the Chief Minister, Tarun Gogoi is
also likely to participate in the talks. The PCG
made the formal request to involve the State
Government and Narayanan accepted the same.
She described today's development as a major
breakthrough and said that it would facilitate
further interaction between the PCG and the
Government for restoration of peace in Assam.
Phukan said that for the first time in 26
years, such a move has been initiated. He said that
the PCG wanted participation of the Assam Government
in the process of talks to facilitate the movement
of the members of the PCG throughout the State. He
revealed that the PCG members would travel
throughout the state to gather public opinion on the
issue of talks between the Government of India and
the ULFA and come back to the Government with the
opinion of the masses.
He hoped that the ULFA would also respect
the opinion of the common people of the State and
asserted that there was no ambiguity on the issue of
talks.
Phukan said that there was no pre-condition
for the talks and the primary concern is to restore
a healthy atmosphere in Assam. The main aim of the
PCG is to have a cease fire between the Government
and the ULFA to facilitate talks.
Phukan thanked the Government of India for
suspending the operations in the Dibru-Saikhowa
national park
