Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: [Asterisk-Users] Large country based dialplan
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 14:12 +0800, Dinesh Nair wrote: > On 10/12/05 13:00 trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said the following: > > Where I got the data from and all is also on that page if anyone wanted > > to make their own lists. I would appreciate any updates or corrections > > that anyone happens to notice. > > a simple modification which would make this a lot more international > friendly would be the definition of a variable to hold the international > access code and then using this code instead of _011 which is US-centric. > Yup, it would, so would omiting it for your 'local' calls. But that was a quick and dirty thing, the idea is for people to actually go through it and select what they need instead of using it as-is because 1. odds are there are destinations you dont want (I did this originally for me to use with voipbuster.com, I wanted to know what was mobile so I dont call it ...) That is tirvial even if done with sed cat countrylist | sed -e s/011/00/g > somefile easy enough for now anyway ... -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Microsoft, Yahoo to link IM services
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 14:23 +0800, Dinesh Nair wrote: > On 10/12/05 13:59 trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said the following: > > quality, why many people say VoIP isnt ready for primetime all the while > > not knowing that they prolly have talked on a VoIP call and not known > > it. > > ain't that the truth ! > > a local malaysian mobile operator has a service called BudgetIDD which > offers rates much, much cheaper than normal IDD. it works trivially by just > prepending 131 to the international number you're dialling. > > what many of the users of the service dont know is that the international > leg of the call is carried over VoIP (H.323 to be specific). i usually use > this as a counterpoint when ppl say that voip is generally not ready for > primetime. > AT&T routed many calls in america via VoIP. calls that did not start nor end as voip but that was the transport method. In one instance alone, to show the scope of this, AT&T dumped calls onto SBC as local traffic that really were long distance, and paid SBC the local access charge rate for those calls. When discovered by SBC the *difference* between what was paid and what should have been was $100M (about 1 years of calls). SBC sued and won, AT&T filed SEC 10ks to reflect it would cost AT&T about $100M/year from then on. Now at pennies or less per minute it takes a whole lot of minutes to reach $100M as the difference. Yet most people that had AT&T as a long distance carrier didnt know this was going VoIP. This was a couple years ago, google has articles if you want to get them for 'proof'. I cant imagine that it would have decreased since then. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Microsoft, Yahoo to link IM services
On 10/12/05 13:59 trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said the following: quality, why many people say VoIP isnt ready for primetime all the while not knowing that they prolly have talked on a VoIP call and not known it. ain't that the truth ! a local malaysian mobile operator has a service called BudgetIDD which offers rates much, much cheaper than normal IDD. it works trivially by just prepending 131 to the international number you're dialling. what many of the users of the service dont know is that the international leg of the call is carried over VoIP (H.323 to be specific). i usually use this as a counterpoint when ppl say that voip is generally not ready for primetime. -- Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0)http://www.alphaque.com/ +==oOO--(_)--OOo==+ | for a in past present future; do| | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b." | | done; done | +=+ ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[Asterisk-biz] Re: [Asterisk-Users] Large country based dialplan
On 10/12/05 13:00 trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said the following: Where I got the data from and all is also on that page if anyone wanted to make their own lists. I would appreciate any updates or corrections that anyone happens to notice. a simple modification which would make this a lot more international friendly would be the definition of a variable to hold the international access code and then using this code instead of _011 which is US-centric. -- Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0)http://www.alphaque.com/ +==oOO--(_)--OOo==+ | for a in past present future; do| | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b." | | done; done | +=+ ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Large country based dialplan
Sure, I'll break it out in the next few days. It will be on http://www.aleph-com.net/astpp/index.php?n=Misc.LCR Darren trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 23:28 -0600, Darren Wiebe wrote: I gotcha. Thanks. Hey if you are interested in LCR code I can show you what I have. It's easy to setup but requires a running mysql install. Darren post a url if not me then maybe someone else wants it, maybe both, who knows :P ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Microsoft, Yahoo to link IM services
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 01:40 -0400, Paul wrote: > Interesting news because it mentions the google messenger and voice services. > > Microsoft, Yahoo to link IM services - Yahoo! News > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051012/bs_nm/microsoft_yahoo_dc maybe I can finally drop one, although with bitlbee it doesnt matter much. However I do see a shift towards more voice services being commonplace. Ebay and google are going to push them hard on people. Yahoo has had a voice type chat for years. As people become more comfortable with it it may see a larger market share in front of the curtain (VoIP has had a large marketshare behind the scenes for a while ...). The only problem I can see with this is that some of the people running IM type networks dont always have good servers/bandwidth to support everything they try to do. That makes an impression to many of poor quality, why many people say VoIP isnt ready for primetime all the while not knowing that they prolly have talked on a VoIP call and not known it. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 01:32 -0400, Paul wrote: > > > Funny thing is how you see patent numbers and patent pending on a lot of > simple one-piece plastic items. I look those new ice cube trays and > laundry baskets over carefully and never find anything obviously innovative. > most of those are design patents and not functional patents. Design patents are basically meaningless just means someone cant really make something look the same. > I'm sure that's the case with the salad spinner. He couldn't get a > patent on centrifugal force unless he put a microcomputer and software > into the product. :-) Sorry, but salad spinner sounds like a sex toy. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Large country based dialplan
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 23:28 -0600, Darren Wiebe wrote: > I gotcha. Thanks. Hey if you are interested in LCR code I can show you > what I have. It's easy to setup but requires a running mysql install. > > Darren post a url if not me then maybe someone else wants it, maybe both, who knows :P -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 01:25 -0400, Paul wrote: > trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: > > > > >question, thus my comments about a 3rd party writing a compliant codec) > > > > > > > Let's assume that the algorithm used really deserved a patent. If you > can come up with a different algorithm that will properly interact with > a device using their algorithm, you can patent it and then put it under > a free license. > > OTOH, maybe they really don't deserve a patent. But it is not a software > patent they are standing on. Why do you keep bringing up whether or not they deserve it? That isnt the issue I was talking about. I was only talking about jurisdictions where patents like theirs may not be enforcable. That still has nothing to do with deserving it or not, and you wont be able to convince me that laws of one nation have anything to do with deserving something. They are seperate issues. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[Asterisk-biz] Microsoft, Yahoo to link IM services
Interesting news because it mentions the google messenger and voice services. Microsoft, Yahoo to link IM services - Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051012/bs_nm/microsoft_yahoo_dc ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 01:13 -0400, Paul wrote: I really don't see how any government can afford to properly evaluate patent applications with the fees they collect. They charge the same fee for salad spinners and codecs. And you get about the same results, there are some really silly patents out there. Some as simple as 2 C instructions. Funny thing is how you see patent numbers and patent pending on a lot of simple one-piece plastic items. I look those new ice cube trays and laundry baskets over carefully and never find anything obviously innovative. I'm sure that's the case with the salad spinner. He couldn't get a patent on centrifugal force unless he put a microcomputer and software into the product. :-) ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Large country based dialplan
I gotcha. Thanks. Hey if you are interested in LCR code I can show you what I have. It's easy to setup but requires a running mysql install. Darren trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 23:04 -0600, Darren Wiebe wrote: Sorry to be dense... Why would you use this instead of an lcr script? Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said on my webpage that lcr and realtime stuff would be better for enterprise stuff. For some people, especially home users, this may be better. The reason I cross posted this to biz was becuase I provide the csv of the info as well, which can be used a variety of ways (astbill.com uses something similar as part of their billing package, and that is where I got about 1500 of the 5000 entries, they now have all of them). ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: question, thus my comments about a 3rd party writing a compliant codec) Let's assume that the algorithm used really deserved a patent. If you can come up with a different algorithm that will properly interact with a device using their algorithm, you can patent it and then put it under a free license. OTOH, maybe they really don't deserve a patent. But it is not a software patent they are standing on. ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 01:13 -0400, Paul wrote: > Suppose I discover a much better method of balancing the checkbook. It > is such a great improvement over well-known methods that I truly deserve > the patent I get for it. > > That means I can prevent you from using the method with pencil and > paper, with mechanical calculators and also with computer software. So I > don't need to patent any software, do I? > That depends on where I am located as to whether you can or cant. And that was my point, the laws dont apply uniformly across the globe, a patent doesnt mean as much in some places and in others its totally unenforcable. > I really don't see how any government can afford to properly evaluate > patent applications with the fees they collect. They charge the same fee > for salad spinners and codecs. > And you get about the same results, there are some really silly patents out there. Some as simple as 2 C instructions. > I haven't seen any strong arguments here that the g.729 algorithm itself > is not deserving of a patent. > I didnt know anyone was trying to make that argument only comments on whether its enforcable or not in certain jurisdictions. Two totally different things. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Large country based dialplan
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 23:04 -0600, Darren Wiebe wrote: > Sorry to be dense... Why would you use this instead of an lcr script? > > Darren Wiebe > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said on my webpage that lcr and realtime stuff would be better for enterprise stuff. For some people, especially home users, this may be better. The reason I cross posted this to biz was becuase I provide the csv of the info as well, which can be used a variety of ways (astbill.com uses something similar as part of their billing package, and that is where I got about 1500 of the 5000 entries, they now have all of them). -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
Matt Riddell wrote: trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: What specifically are they gonna license? That specific code or the g.729 codec itself? Were software patents in the EU recently voted to be invalid? That means that they can license a specific bit of code but not the method for that code, which means that a 3rd party can write their own g.729 codec and release that without paying the per seat patent fee. Unless that was just a dream I had a few months ago, which is just as likely. From: http://www.sipro.com/ Many companies believe that because the source code of a technology can be accessed at nearly no charge, they can integrate it within their products without considering intellectual property. They argue that since they possess the code itself they certainly have the rights to use this technology. Suppose I discover a much better method of balancing the checkbook. It is such a great improvement over well-known methods that I truly deserve the patent I get for it. That means I can prevent you from using the method with pencil and paper, with mechanical calculators and also with computer software. So I don't need to patent any software, do I? The underlying basis of a patent is new discovery of truth. The truth existed before it was discovered. Throwing a rock at an attacking beast was a new discovery of truth at one time. A method to get 50 kw of power from 100 grams of household garbage per day might win you a patent. It could be that your method will not be cost effective until long after the patent expires but if it is a new discovery of truth you can apply for a patent. Inventors do not conjure things up or create them out of thin air. The mathematical and scientific truths are what make the invention possible. The inventor is an explorer and discoverer. I really don't see how any government can afford to properly evaluate patent applications with the fees they collect. They charge the same fee for salad spinners and codecs. I haven't seen any strong arguments here that the g.729 algorithm itself is not deserving of a patent. ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Large country based dialplan
Sorry to be dense... Why would you use this instead of an lcr script? Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: I spent the last day or so gathering every country plan and listing prefixes as mobile, premium, etc. If anyone wants this I have made it available at http://www.0xdecafbad.com/Global-Numbering-Plan.html Each country has its own context, making it easy to include what you want where. Obviously this is not good for enterprise solutions, so I have also provided a csv file for easy MySQL insertion of all the same info. For country code 1 I have broken it down into each country, for the US and Canada for each region, and then made contexts that include those so it should be fairly easy to include into what you need. Cutting and pasting would be a far better solution than including this whole file as it has 5000 entries. But for those that use something like voipbuster that gives free landline calls to a few countries this may be helpful to know what you should be able to call and what you should. Where I got the data from and all is also on that page if anyone wanted to make their own lists. I would appreciate any updates or corrections that anyone happens to notice. ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[Asterisk-biz] Large country based dialplan
I spent the last day or so gathering every country plan and listing prefixes as mobile, premium, etc. If anyone wants this I have made it available at http://www.0xdecafbad.com/Global-Numbering-Plan.html Each country has its own context, making it easy to include what you want where. Obviously this is not good for enterprise solutions, so I have also provided a csv file for easy MySQL insertion of all the same info. For country code 1 I have broken it down into each country, for the US and Canada for each region, and then made contexts that include those so it should be fairly easy to include into what you need. Cutting and pasting would be a far better solution than including this whole file as it has 5000 entries. But for those that use something like voipbuster that gives free landline calls to a few countries this may be helpful to know what you should be able to call and what you should. Where I got the data from and all is also on that page if anyone wanted to make their own lists. I would appreciate any updates or corrections that anyone happens to notice. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 16:47 +1300, Matt Riddell wrote: > trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: > > What specifically are they gonna license? That specific code or the > > g.729 codec itself? Were software patents in the EU recently voted to > > be invalid? That means that they can license a specific bit of code but > > not the method for that code, which means that a 3rd party can write > > their own g.729 codec and release that without paying the per seat > > patent fee. > > > > Unless that was just a dream I had a few months ago, which is just as > > likely. > > From: http://www.sipro.com/ > > Many companies believe that because the source code of a technology can be > accessed at nearly no charge, they can integrate it within their products > without considering intellectual property. They argue that since they possess > the code itself they certainly have the rights to use this technology. > > > Yeah a company that is trying to get people to pay, should I quote sco.com about their $699/cpu linux license? Just because a company charges doesnt always mean they should. And if they are solely going off the patent (which they would have to if they didnt write the code in question, thus my comments about a 3rd party writing a compliant codec) then they may not have a leg to stand on legally speaking in certain countries, and the comments I read (again as I said before I havent read the actual statute) was that in the UK at least you cant patent an idea or methodology, but instead only a physical device, which the code isnt, even sippro calls it "intellectual property" - ie nontangible. And that was what I was commenting on. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] 3G/UMTS/H.324M to SIP/H323
Matt, If you get any info on it, please feel the urge to share ,) /Danny Matt Riddell wrote: Hi, Can anybody help with this? Or at least point me in the right direction? ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[Asterisk-biz] 3G/UMTS/H.324M to SIP/H323
Hi, Can anybody help with this? Or at least point me in the right direction? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: > What specifically are they gonna license? That specific code or the > g.729 codec itself? Were software patents in the EU recently voted to > be invalid? That means that they can license a specific bit of code but > not the method for that code, which means that a 3rd party can write > their own g.729 codec and release that without paying the per seat > patent fee. > > Unless that was just a dream I had a few months ago, which is just as > likely. From: http://www.sipro.com/ Many companies believe that because the source code of a technology can be accessed at nearly no charge, they can integrate it within their products without considering intellectual property. They argue that since they possess the code itself they certainly have the rights to use this technology. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics
Color screen, POE and 2 ports Ethernet is plan for this year. We will have stock as soon as avaible for Europe. If somebody interrested, please contact me offlist. canuck15 wrote: Not having 2 switched ports is a big minus IMHO but you can't have everything I guess. -Original Message- From: Cory Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:21 AM To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics Patrick - a few product images are available on our product page here -> http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=1057 Thanks Cory J Andrews Partner / Purchasing +++ VOIPSupply.com - Everything you need for VOIP 454 Sonwil Drive Buffalo, NY 14225 +++ tf voice - 800-398-VOIP X22 l voice - 716.630.1555 X22 f - 716.630.1548 e - [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM - b2Cory Patrick wrote: On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 13:45 -0400, BJ Weschke wrote: The phone has a look alot more like the 79XX series phones from Cisco than the old SPA-841 which I think is going to go a long way towards gaining a greater acceptance in the business markets. Any pictures? Regards, Patrick ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Arnaud Pignard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Standard : + 33 1 70 71 50 00 - Fax : +33 1 70 71 50 60 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ICQ : 20946060 Frontier Online - Opérateur Internet - http://www.frontier.fr Direct Centrex - Opérateur Télécom sur IP - http://www.directcentrex.com Direct Nom - Registrar de nom de domaine - http://www.directcnom.com ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics
There will be a dual ethernet version, it's coming, it will be the SPA-942. They are also planning PoE capable units. Cory J Andrews Partner / Purchasing +++ VOIPSupply.com - Everything you need for VOIP 454 Sonwil Drive Buffalo, NY 14225 +++ tf voice - 800-398-VOIP X22 l voice - 716.630.1555 X22 f - 716.630.1548 e - [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM - b2Cory canuck15 wrote: Not having 2 switched ports is a big minus IMHO but you can't have everything I guess. -Original Message- From: Cory Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:21 AM To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics Patrick - a few product images are available on our product page here -> http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=1057 Thanks Cory J Andrews Partner / Purchasing +++ VOIPSupply.com - Everything you need for VOIP 454 Sonwil Drive Buffalo, NY 14225 +++ tf voice - 800-398-VOIP X22 l voice - 716.630.1555 X22 f - 716.630.1548 e - [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM - b2Cory Patrick wrote: On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 13:45 -0400, BJ Weschke wrote: The phone has a look alot more like the 79XX series phones from Cisco than the old SPA-841 which I think is going to go a long way towards gaining a greater acceptance in the business markets. Any pictures? Regards, Patrick ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
RE: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics
If it's a senior executive they you would probably be using a Cisco phone. > -Original Message- > From: Dinesh Nair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:39 PM > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics > > > > On 10/10/05 23:21 Cory Andrews said the following: > > Patrick - a few product images are available on our product > page here > > -> > > http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=1057 > > uggh, no passthru ethernet port. you dont really want to tell > a senior executive that you'd be rewiring his room to put in > a new phone. > > -- > Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." > [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0)http://www.alphaque.com/ > +==oOO--(_)--OOo== > == > +==+ > | for a in past present future; do > | > | for b in clients employers associates relatives > neighbours pets; do | > | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of > my $a $b." | > | done; done > | > += > == > +==+ > > ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
RE: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics
Not having 2 switched ports is a big minus IMHO but you can't have everything I guess. > -Original Message- > From: Cory Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:21 AM > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > Subject: [Asterisk-biz] SPA-941 Pics > > Patrick - a few product images are available on our product > page here -> > http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=1057 > > Thanks > > Cory J Andrews > Partner / Purchasing > +++ > VOIPSupply.com - Everything you need for VOIP > 454 Sonwil Drive > Buffalo, NY 14225 > +++ > tf voice - 800-398-VOIP X22 > l voice - 716.630.1555 X22 > f - 716.630.1548 > e - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AIM - b2Cory > > > > Patrick wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 13:45 -0400, BJ Weschke wrote: > > > >> The phone has a look alot more like the 79XX series phones from > >> Cisco than the old SPA-841 which I think is going to go a long way > >> towards gaining a greater acceptance in the business markets. > >> > > > > Any pictures? > > > > Regards, > > Patrick > > ___ > > Asterisk-Biz mailing list > > Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > > > > > > > ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
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Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 09:29 -0500, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: > trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: > > > Yes I understand that there would need to be two versions *or* digium > > gives free licenses to people who can be verified in places where > > software patents dont exist. However becuase digium is in a place where > > they do I bet that it would be legally impossible for them to provide > > free licenses to those in say the EU (and aparently AU). > > That would only be possible if we could somehow guarantee that those > patent indemnification licenses were _always_ going to be used in the > country of purchase, which is impossible. > I would have thought it would be impossible becuase you are in a software patent country, and as such a legal argument could be made that the sale happened here and you didnt collect, thus putting you on the hook for the $10/seat. Without a deliverable the best you could do is go based on IP which with VPNs, proxies, and such you cant really verify that the person is in a different country or even for that matter a different office building. > At this time, Sipro and the consortium are operating under the belief > (right or wrong) that their patents apply worldwide because they are not > software patents. In fact, the patents themselves include no source > code, they are only algorithms, which could be implemented in a variety > of ways (software, custom silicon, abacus ). Any implementation of As I understand it at least in the UK that isnt enforcable. I havent read the specific UK law to know for sure, but its a rumor that is going around. Patents in the UK have to be something more tangible than a method, formulae, etc. I dont know if that is true of the EU in general, but its a moot point since you wouldnt be able to sell them anyway, I was just curious if you could/would. That now has been answered :) -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:46 +1300, Matt Riddell wrote: Eh?! So you think that France Telecom hasn't assigned SipPro to handle the licencing for Europe? What specifically are they gonna license? That specific code or the g.729 codec itself? Were software patents in the EU recently voted to be invalid? That means that they can license a specific bit of code but not the method for that code, which means that a 3rd party can write their own g.729 codec and release that without paying the per seat patent fee. Unless that was just a dream I had a few months ago, which is just as likely. It's not the code itself which is patented... It's the G.729 algorithms so any implementation of them requires a license. ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: Yes I understand that there would need to be two versions *or* digium gives free licenses to people who can be verified in places where software patents dont exist. However becuase digium is in a place where they do I bet that it would be legally impossible for them to provide free licenses to those in say the EU (and aparently AU). That would only be possible if we could somehow guarantee that those patent indemnification licenses were _always_ going to be used in the country of purchase, which is impossible. At this time, Sipro and the consortium are operating under the belief (right or wrong) that their patents apply worldwide because they are not software patents. In fact, the patents themselves include no source code, they are only algorithms, which could be implemented in a variety of ways (software, custom silicon, abacus ). Any implementation of the algorithm is covered by the patent, regardless of the form the implementation takes. Whether that qualifies as a 'software patent' in the eyes of the EU is open to debate... but keep in mind that every manufacturer that sells equipment containing G.729 support in the EU is still charging (and paying for) patent indemnification licenses. ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
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Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:46 +1300, Matt Riddell wrote: > Eh?! > > So you think that France Telecom hasn't assigned SipPro to handle the > licencing for Europe? > What specifically are they gonna license? That specific code or the g.729 codec itself? Were software patents in the EU recently voted to be invalid? That means that they can license a specific bit of code but not the method for that code, which means that a 3rd party can write their own g.729 codec and release that without paying the per seat patent fee. Unless that was just a dream I had a few months ago, which is just as likely. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 01:08 -0500, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: > >>I am offering, in my official capacity, a possible extension to the >>LICENSE file that would more clearly indicate the circumstances under >>which the Asterisk trademark could be used or not used. Since I posted >>that message, I have realized that any changes in that direction would >>have to be even more 'complete' than what I proposed, so I will work >>with our licensing manager and others to come up with something that is >>in everyone's best interests. >> > > God bless estoppel :) > > >>We certainly do not want to place restrictions on 'bundling' of Asterisk >>into distributions or in other forms where the intent is that the end >>product will still be 'Asterisk', but at the same time we need to >>protect (as you already pointed out in another response) our trademark >>and the license exceptions associated with it. > > > I wouldnt imagine that you would, that kinda goes against making it open > source in the first place. This is one of the problems with making > restrictions in a license, it becomes very murky very quickly. > Especially when dealing with a global marketplace. > > On a side note but vaguely related to this (licensing in general) does > digium charge EU patrons for the g.729 codec? I understand that digium > is in the US and that it can cause them problems if they dont charge, > however there is no legal requirement for anyone in the EU currently to > pay to use the codec, providing they can get it in the first place. Eh?! So you think that France Telecom hasn't assigned SipPro to handle the licencing for Europe? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On 10/11/05 14:29 Dinesh Nair said the following: will not be able to be done if the source is modified, it kinda limits significant modifications to the source when openh323 is not used. o oops, that came out wrong. i meant it ALLOWS significant modifications to the source ONLY when openh323 is NOT used. :) -- Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0)http://www.alphaque.com/ +==oOO--(_)--OOo==+ | for a in past present future; do| | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b." | | done; done | +=+ ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 14:32 +0800, Dinesh Nair wrote: > On 10/11/05 14:15 trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said the following: > > On a side note but vaguely related to this (licensing in general) does > > digium charge EU patrons for the g.729 codec? I understand that digium > > is in the US and that it can cause them problems if they dont charge, > > there may be a technical issue with that given that the codecs downloaded > from digium's site would need to check for the licensing information for > the codec. doing what you require would need two versions of the codec, and > digium may have a problem in ensuring that folk from the US do not download > the version without the check. > Yes I understand that there would need to be two versions *or* digium gives free licenses to people who can be verified in places where software patents dont exist. However becuase digium is in a place where they do I bet that it would be legally impossible for them to provide free licenses to those in say the EU (and aparently AU). > however, i believe that folk here have made the intel implementation of > g.729a to work with asterisk, and you could use that where software patents > or the g.729 license is not required.[1] > > [1] i wouldnt think it would stay this way for long, the way software > patent recognition is being grandfathered in by way of free trade agreements. > Yeah, I am suprised that someone hasnt already published the intel code with diff applied somewhere, but if they did google didnt find it. I would have thought that sometime ago (before the EU patent decision) someone would have on a russian server. But alas that was aparently not the case. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
RE: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 16:23 +1000, Mark Armstrong wrote: > Same question for Australia? > if softwre patents dont exist there, I would imagine that someone could write a codec and release that from within those countries legally. It should be on the person who downloads it to pay if required to do so, but sometimes courts are strange beasts ... Certainly the gpl'ed patch file (which isnt a valid gpl since you cant have the dependancies they do) that uses the intel code (which requires a license to get access to) shouldnt be much of a problem for people to get and use (other than the crap you have to deal with from intel to get the code and all the stuff that way ...) But if someone were to write something on their own they should be able to release it without a problem. But I know very little about legal systems outside the US so I really cant say. I would be interested however to hear digiums position on this, although I think I already know what they are going to say since they are US based. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On a side note but vaguely related to this (licensing in general) does digium charge EU patrons for the g.729 codec? I understand that digium is in the US and that it can cause them problems if they dont charge, however there is no legal requirement for anyone in the EU currently to pay to use the codec, providing they can get it in the first place. Just a side thing that popped in my head as I was writing the earlier parts of this email. I do not know whether we sell those licenses outside of the USA or not (I'm not in sales ), but I'd suspect that we would sell them to anyone with a charge card that our web site will accept, since there is no product to be shipped (and thus no export/import restrictions). Whether those people choose to purchase them or not is entirely up to them, their local government(s) and their legal counsel, I'd imagine. ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On 10/11/05 14:08 Kevin P. Fleming said the following: protect (as you already pointed out in another response) our trademark and the license exceptions associated with it. i can fully understand the need to protect the trademark, and this will go a long way towards assuaging concerns about modifications to the source which are necessary for different platforms. still however, since openh323 is needed for chan_h323, and that this will not be able to be done if the source is modified, it kinda limits significant modifications to the source when openh323 is not used. o -- Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0)http://www.alphaque.com/ +==oOO--(_)--OOo==+ | for a in past present future; do| | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b." | | done; done | +=+ ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org
On 10/11/05 14:15 trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said the following: On a side note but vaguely related to this (licensing in general) does digium charge EU patrons for the g.729 codec? I understand that digium is in the US and that it can cause them problems if they dont charge, there may be a technical issue with that given that the codecs downloaded from digium's site would need to check for the licensing information for the codec. doing what you require would need two versions of the codec, and digium may have a problem in ensuring that folk from the US do not download the version without the check. however, i believe that folk here have made the intel implementation of g.729a to work with asterisk, and you could use that where software patents or the g.729 license is not required.[1] [1] i wouldnt think it would stay this way for long, the way software patent recognition is being grandfathered in by way of free trade agreements. -- Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0)http://www.alphaque.com/ +==oOO--(_)--OOo==+ | for a in past present future; do| | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b." | | done; done | +=+ ___ Asterisk-Biz mailing list Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
