Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-11-19 Thread Mike Jagdis
Then in the hope of stopping searchers following up again:

Ssh/telnet to it, log in and type ctrl-z. That gets you a basic CLI.
Type '?' for help if you like. Now type lcli and login again when
prompted. Now you have a proper CLI with comfortingly IOS-like commands
to configure *everything*.

Mike

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:44:33PM -0700, Jesse Molina wrote:
 
 Digging up an old issue here, so please disregard.  I'm making this 
 statement for historical and searches.
 
 I own a couple of Linksys SRW series switches.  The modern/updated 
 firmwares on multiple models as of this writing are MSIE v6 compatible 
 only.  They will not work with Safari, Firefox/Seamonkey, or even MSIE 
 v7.  However, Linksys does not make firmware across models or series 
 standard in any way, so one unit might work with one browser, and 
 another mostly-similar unit may not.
 
 Please see the Linksys message boards for more info about this issue. 
 It's a fairly well known gripe from Linksys customers.
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-11-17 Thread Jesse Molina

Digging up an old issue here, so please disregard.  I'm making this 
statement for historical and searches.

I own a couple of Linksys SRW series switches.  The modern/updated 
firmwares on multiple models as of this writing are MSIE v6 compatible 
only.  They will not work with Safari, Firefox/Seamonkey, or even MSIE 
v7.  However, Linksys does not make firmware across models or series 
standard in any way, so one unit might work with one browser, and 
another mostly-similar unit may not.

Please see the Linksys message boards for more info about this issue. 
It's a fairly well known gripe from Linksys customers.



Chris Bagnall wrote:
 I recently purchased a few SRW208P switches.  They work fine.  If you
 run Windows.  Granted a lot of people run windows instead of Mac or
 Linux, but be aware (to those looking) that the SRW line of switches
 REQUIRE Internet Explorer on Windows.  The support site says it is
 recommended, but even the login page does not work properly on
 anything but IE on Windows.  For me, as a Mac user, it is enough to
 not buy any more of those ever again.
 
 That's very strange, I've used FF2 and 3 under Linux plenty of times to 
 configure the SRW224P units. I'd have thought the web interfaces would be 
 pretty similar between the models.
 
 Regards,
 
 Chris
 
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-08 Thread Sigma Networks
...and now for something completly different 

In very small situations I've been very happy with this desktop POE switch $69 
http://shop1.frys.com/product/4971591 

Jim 
www.sigma-networks.com 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:06:06 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations? 

On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:19 AM, Chris Bagnall wrote: 

 I recently purchased a few SRW208P switches. They work fine. If you 
 run Windows. Granted a lot of people run windows instead of Mac or 
 Linux, but be aware (to those looking) that the SRW line of switches 
 REQUIRE Internet Explorer on Windows. The support site says it is 
 recommended, but even the login page does not work properly on 
 anything but IE on Windows. For me, as a Mac user, it is enough to 
 not buy any more of those ever again. 
 
 That's very strange, I've used FF2 and 3 under Linux plenty of times 
 to configure the SRW224P units. I'd have thought the web interfaces 
 would be pretty similar between the models. 

I have not personally tried using FF under Linux with these, though I 
ran across a number of posts that say it doesn't work. I know FF2 and 
the latest FF3 don't work under Mac (don't work for the SRW that is) 
and I know they don't work on Windows. (Linksys' official statement is 
to use that ietab plugin that embeds IE in a firefox tab). I would 
expect FF to behave the same as far as what works and doesn't in all 3 
environments, but maybe not. I'll install FF3 on my Linux server and 
try as that would be more convenient than firing up Parallels 
everytime I need to change a config option in the switch. On Win/Mac 
it lets you log in but the main menu screen is blank, nothing to 
click on, just the background template. *shrug* Seeing as we already 
need more than the 8 ports I think I'll stick to the 24/48 port 
versions anyway. 

 Regards, 
 
 Chris 

Daniel 

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-08 Thread Michael Graves
This certainly seems better value than single port POE insertors at $40
each.

Michael

--Original Message Text---
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:27:28 -0400 (EDT)

p { margin: 0; }...and now for something completly different

In very small situations I've been very happy with this desktop POE
switch  $69 http://shop1.frys.com/product/4971591

Jim
www.sigma-networks.com

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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:19 AM, Chris Bagnall wrote:

 I recently purchased a few SRW208P switches.  They work fine.  If you
 run Windows.  Granted a lot of people run windows instead of Mac or
 Linux, but be aware (to those looking) that the SRW line of switches
 REQUIRE Internet Explorer on Windows.  The support site says it is
 recommended, but even the login page does not work properly on
 anything but IE on Windows.  For me, as a Mac user, it is enough to
 not buy any more of those ever again.

 That's very strange, I've used FF2 and 3 under Linux plenty of times  
 to configure the SRW224P units. I'd have thought the web interfaces  
 would be pretty similar between the models.

I have not personally tried using FF under Linux with these, though I  
ran across a number of posts that say it doesn't work.  I know FF2 and 

the latest FF3 don't work under Mac (don't work for the SRW that is)  
and I know they don't work on Windows. (Linksys' official statement is 

to use that ietab plugin that embeds IE in a firefox tab).  I would  
expect FF to behave the same as far as what works and doesn't in all 3 

environments, but maybe not.  I'll install FF3 on my Linux server and  
try as that would be more convenient than firing up Parallels  
everytime I need to change a config option in the switch.  On Win/Mac  
it lets you log in but the main menu screen is blank, nothing to  
click on, just the background template. *shrug*  Seeing as we already  
need more than the 8 ports I think I'll stick to the 24/48 port  
versions anyway.

 Regards,

 Chris

Daniel

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-08 Thread Drew Gibson
Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:
 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
 do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
 finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
 VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
 so long as it has Gbit uplinks.
   

We tried a Linksys SRW208P about 2 years ago but couldn't use it due to 
the noise from the fans (think jet engines)
We settled on the Netgear 16/8 port (8 PoE + 8 non-PoE) switches for the 
call centre pods, each supporting 5 phones. None have caused problems 
to date.

In the server room, we have Dell PowerConnect 3548P switches which are 
fully managed driving a mix of phones, access points cameras. They are 
excellent value, Cisco are way overpriced.

regards,

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-07 Thread Christian Victor
Hi Ken,

we are quite satisfied with Linksys SRW248G4P. 48 port PoE, 4 GB uplinks
and 2 GBIC slots. VLAN, QoS and all the like is on board. Around US$600
I guess.

Only drawback in my opinion is that they are loud like a starting
airplane. You definately don't want them next to your desk. ;-)

Christian

Ken D'Ambrosio schrieb:
 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
 do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
 finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
 VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
 so long as it has Gbit uplinks.
 
 Thanks!
 
 -Ken
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-07 Thread Chris Bagnall
 I recently purchased a few SRW208P switches.  They work fine.  If you
 run Windows.  Granted a lot of people run windows instead of Mac or
 Linux, but be aware (to those looking) that the SRW line of switches
 REQUIRE Internet Explorer on Windows.  The support site says it is
 recommended, but even the login page does not work properly on
 anything but IE on Windows.  For me, as a Mac user, it is enough to
 not buy any more of those ever again.

That's very strange, I've used FF2 and 3 under Linux plenty of times to 
configure the SRW224P units. I'd have thought the web interfaces would be 
pretty similar between the models.

Regards,

Chris



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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Hazelbaker
On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:19 AM, Chris Bagnall wrote:

 I recently purchased a few SRW208P switches.  They work fine.  If you
 run Windows.  Granted a lot of people run windows instead of Mac or
 Linux, but be aware (to those looking) that the SRW line of switches
 REQUIRE Internet Explorer on Windows.  The support site says it is
 recommended, but even the login page does not work properly on
 anything but IE on Windows.  For me, as a Mac user, it is enough to
 not buy any more of those ever again.

 That's very strange, I've used FF2 and 3 under Linux plenty of times  
 to configure the SRW224P units. I'd have thought the web interfaces  
 would be pretty similar between the models.

I have not personally tried using FF under Linux with these, though I  
ran across a number of posts that say it doesn't work.  I know FF2 and  
the latest FF3 don't work under Mac (don't work for the SRW that is)  
and I know they don't work on Windows. (Linksys' official statement is  
to use that ietab plugin that embeds IE in a firefox tab).  I would  
expect FF to behave the same as far as what works and doesn't in all 3  
environments, but maybe not.  I'll install FF3 on my Linux server and  
try as that would be more convenient than firing up Parallels  
everytime I need to change a config option in the switch.  On Win/Mac  
it lets you log in but the main menu screen is blank, nothing to  
click on, just the background template. *shrug*  Seeing as we already  
need more than the 8 ports I think I'll stick to the 24/48 port  
versions anyway.

 Regards,

 Chris

Daniel

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[asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

Thanks!

-Ken


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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Geraint Lee
Linksys SRW248P or something like that... something from linksys anyway are
quite capable of all you mentioned... maximum 24 port powered though iirc.

Geraint

2008/10/6 Ken D'Ambrosio [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
 do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
 finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
 VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
 so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

 Thanks!

 -Ken


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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Singer Wang
We've had some bad experiences with Linksys in general (prior to going
VOIP) and avoided them. We're running now fully on the NetGear FS728TP
switch (24 port 10/100 POE, 4 port 1000 uplink, and 2 slots for fiber
modules).
 

Geraint Lee wrote:
 Linksys SRW248P or something like that... something from linksys
 anyway are quite capable of all you mentioned... maximum 24 port
 powered though iirc.

 Geraint

 2008/10/6 Ken D'Ambrosio [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the
 cash and
 do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot
 down by
 finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
 VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis
 or not,
 so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

 Thanks!

 -Ken


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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Chris Bagnall
We've used Linksys SRW224P units at quite a few places without issue. For a 
little lower cost, we've also used Netgear FS726 series switches.

Personally, I prefer the Linksys ones - they have a serial port for 
administration rather than relying on you doing it over the LAN (though they 
have a pretty web interface, too). The pretty web interface is less fussy than 
the Netgear one (which seems unreliable in non-Internet Exploder browsers).

On the other hand, the Netgear is substantially less deep (an issue in some 
wallmount cabinets) and definitely a lot quieter.

Regards,

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Geraint Lee
yes, thats the one i mean, 224p, the one i mentioned isn't capable of vlans
properly (which was strange, since it said it did)... i never had any
problems with them powering phones and cisco access points.

2008/10/6 Chris Bagnall [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 We've used Linksys SRW224P units at quite a few places without issue. For a
 little lower cost, we've also used Netgear FS726 series switches.

 Personally, I prefer the Linksys ones - they have a serial port for
 administration rather than relying on you doing it over the LAN (though they
 have a pretty web interface, too). The pretty web interface is less fussy
 than the Netgear one (which seems unreliable in non-Internet Exploder
 browsers).

 On the other hand, the Netgear is substantially less deep (an issue in some
 wallmount cabinets) and definitely a lot quieter.

 Regards,

 Chris


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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Gordon Henderson
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:

 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
 do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
 finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
 VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
 so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

I'm curious as to why you want Gb uplinks on the switches?

If we assume 100Kb/sec per phone .. (gross rounding, using 100Kb/sec per 
phone, rather than ~80 - make the sums easier and builds in a margin) 10 
calls per Mb/sec.

So for a 24-port switch, 24 phones all talking to 24 extensions off that 
switch, the max the uplink port is going to be pushing out is 2.4Mb/sec.

For 200 extensions, say 9 x 24 port switches, with a single top-level (non 
PoE switch) switch with the PBX plugged in along side the 9 downlinks, 
that single PBX link will be carrying 2.4*9 = 22Mb/sec if all phones are 
in-use at the same time (and the PBX is carrying media)

Now you may not want to build the network like that, but it seems that Gb 
is overkill just for the VoIP side of things. (And with that many 
extensions, I would suggest keeping all the phones on one set of switches)

(Then again, it might not be possible to get big PoE switches without Gb 
uplinks, so it might be a moot point!)

So satisfy my curiosity - why Gb uplinks?

Cheers,

Gordon

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread David Gibbons
We've been EXTREMELY happy with the HP 5400ZL series chassis switch. Price per 
port is about 1/3 that of Cisco when it comes to POE. Price is about $100 per 
port and all ports are 1Gb with POE by default -- you can't get modules that 
don't have 1Gb and POE. 10Gb uplinks are available with other modules.

Dave

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:03 AM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

Thanks!

-Ken


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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Alexander Lopez
Your math is correct but the application is incorrect.

The OP requested a switch with solution with VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  By that 
they would be using the VLANS and QoS for separation of Data / Voice.

Gb uplinks are very useful in Data applications..

Alex


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Henderson
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:29 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?
 
 On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:
 
  Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
  recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
  equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash
 and
  do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down
 by
  finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
  VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or
 not,
  so long as it has Gbit uplinks.
 
 I'm curious as to why you want Gb uplinks on the switches?
 
 If we assume 100Kb/sec per phone .. (gross rounding, using 100Kb/sec per
 phone, rather than ~80 - make the sums easier and builds in a margin) 10
 calls per Mb/sec.
 
 So for a 24-port switch, 24 phones all talking to 24 extensions off that
 switch, the max the uplink port is going to be pushing out is 2.4Mb/sec.
 
 For 200 extensions, say 9 x 24 port switches, with a single top-level (non
 PoE switch) switch with the PBX plugged in along side the 9 downlinks,
 that single PBX link will be carrying 2.4*9 = 22Mb/sec if all phones are
 in-use at the same time (and the PBX is carrying media)
 
 Now you may not want to build the network like that, but it seems that Gb
 is overkill just for the VoIP side of things. (And with that many
 extensions, I would suggest keeping all the phones on one set of switches)
 
 (Then again, it might not be possible to get big PoE switches without Gb
 uplinks, so it might be a moot point!)
 
 So satisfy my curiosity - why Gb uplinks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Gordon
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread David Gibbons
Obviously we don't need 1Gb connections for VOIP :)

Phones support pass through to the desktop and VLAN tagging.

The need for 1Gb ports comes from wanting to have 1Gb at the desktop.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Henderson
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:29 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:

 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
 do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
 finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
 VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
 so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

I'm curious as to why you want Gb uplinks on the switches?

If we assume 100Kb/sec per phone .. (gross rounding, using 100Kb/sec per
phone, rather than ~80 - make the sums easier and builds in a margin) 10
calls per Mb/sec.

So for a 24-port switch, 24 phones all talking to 24 extensions off that
switch, the max the uplink port is going to be pushing out is 2.4Mb/sec.

For 200 extensions, say 9 x 24 port switches, with a single top-level (non
PoE switch) switch with the PBX plugged in along side the 9 downlinks,
that single PBX link will be carrying 2.4*9 = 22Mb/sec if all phones are
in-use at the same time (and the PBX is carrying media)

Now you may not want to build the network like that, but it seems that Gb
is overkill just for the VoIP side of things. (And with that many
extensions, I would suggest keeping all the phones on one set of switches)

(Then again, it might not be possible to get big PoE switches without Gb
uplinks, so it might be a moot point!)

So satisfy my curiosity - why Gb uplinks?

Cheers,

Gordon

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Robert Augustyn
Most phones support only 100M switching though  Unless you run separate
cabling for VoIP and data but then you would not need the 1G uplink. 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 David Gibbons
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:48 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?
 
 Obviously we don't need 1Gb connections for VOIP :)
 
 Phones support pass through to the desktop and VLAN tagging.
 
 The need for 1Gb ports comes from wanting to have 1Gb at the desktop.
 
 Dave
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Gordon Henderson
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:29 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?
 
 On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:
 
  Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE 
  recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our 
 current network 
  equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk 
 down the cash 
  and do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that 
 would get shot 
  down by finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port 
  solution with VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a 
  single chassis or not, so long as it has Gbit uplinks.
 
 I'm curious as to why you want Gb uplinks on the switches?
 
 If we assume 100Kb/sec per phone .. (gross rounding, using 
 100Kb/sec per phone, rather than ~80 - make the sums easier 
 and builds in a margin) 10 calls per Mb/sec.
 
 So for a 24-port switch, 24 phones all talking to 24 
 extensions off that switch, the max the uplink port is going 
 to be pushing out is 2.4Mb/sec.
 
 For 200 extensions, say 9 x 24 port switches, with a single 
 top-level (non PoE switch) switch with the PBX plugged in 
 along side the 9 downlinks, that single PBX link will be 
 carrying 2.4*9 = 22Mb/sec if all phones are in-use at the 
 same time (and the PBX is carrying media)
 
 Now you may not want to build the network like that, but it 
 seems that Gb is overkill just for the VoIP side of things. 
 (And with that many extensions, I would suggest keeping all 
 the phones on one set of switches)
 
 (Then again, it might not be possible to get big PoE switches 
 without Gb uplinks, so it might be a moot point!)
 
 So satisfy my curiosity - why Gb uplinks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Gordon
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread David Gibbons
Right, it takes some doing to find a 1Gb switching phone though we ended up 
going with a system based on the Cisco 7941G-GE. This model supports all of the 
needed features including vlan tagging and 1Gb switching.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Augustyn
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:01 PM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

Most phones support only 100M switching though  Unless you run separate
cabling for VoIP and data but then you would not need the 1G uplink.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 David Gibbons
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:48 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

 Obviously we don't need 1Gb connections for VOIP :)

 Phones support pass through to the desktop and VLAN tagging.

 The need for 1Gb ports comes from wanting to have 1Gb at the desktop.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Gordon Henderson
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:29 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

 On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:

  Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
  recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our
 current network
  equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk
 down the cash
  and do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that
 would get shot
  down by finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port
  solution with VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a
  single chassis or not, so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

 I'm curious as to why you want Gb uplinks on the switches?

 If we assume 100Kb/sec per phone .. (gross rounding, using
 100Kb/sec per phone, rather than ~80 - make the sums easier
 and builds in a margin) 10 calls per Mb/sec.

 So for a 24-port switch, 24 phones all talking to 24
 extensions off that switch, the max the uplink port is going
 to be pushing out is 2.4Mb/sec.

 For 200 extensions, say 9 x 24 port switches, with a single
 top-level (non PoE switch) switch with the PBX plugged in
 along side the 9 downlinks, that single PBX link will be
 carrying 2.4*9 = 22Mb/sec if all phones are in-use at the
 same time (and the PBX is carrying media)

 Now you may not want to build the network like that, but it
 seems that Gb is overkill just for the VoIP side of things.
 (And with that many extensions, I would suggest keeping all
 the phones on one set of switches)

 (Then again, it might not be possible to get big PoE switches
 without Gb uplinks, so it might be a moot point!)

 So satisfy my curiosity - why Gb uplinks?

 Cheers,

 Gordon

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Jonathan C. Bailey
We're using D-Link DES-3028P switches (24 10/100 + 4 gbit). They also have the 
DES-3052P which is a 48 port version of the switch. We're paying ~$500, I think 
for the 24 port version from Graybar.

-Jon


- Original Message -
From: David Gibbons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion 
asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 12:04:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

Right, it takes some doing to find a 1Gb switching phone though we ended up 
going with a system based on the Cisco 7941G-GE. This model supports all of the 
needed features including vlan tagging and 1Gb switching.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Augustyn
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:01 PM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

Most phones support only 100M switching though  Unless you run separate
cabling for VoIP and data but then you would not need the 1G uplink.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 David Gibbons
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:48 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

 Obviously we don't need 1Gb connections for VOIP :)

 Phones support pass through to the desktop and VLAN tagging.

 The need for 1Gb ports comes from wanting to have 1Gb at the desktop.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Gordon Henderson
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:29 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

 On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:

  Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
  recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our
 current network
  equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk
 down the cash
  and do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that
 would get shot
  down by finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port
  solution with VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a
  single chassis or not, so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

 I'm curious as to why you want Gb uplinks on the switches?

 If we assume 100Kb/sec per phone .. (gross rounding, using
 100Kb/sec per phone, rather than ~80 - make the sums easier
 and builds in a margin) 10 calls per Mb/sec.

 So for a 24-port switch, 24 phones all talking to 24
 extensions off that switch, the max the uplink port is going
 to be pushing out is 2.4Mb/sec.

 For 200 extensions, say 9 x 24 port switches, with a single
 top-level (non PoE switch) switch with the PBX plugged in
 along side the 9 downlinks, that single PBX link will be
 carrying 2.4*9 = 22Mb/sec if all phones are in-use at the
 same time (and the PBX is carrying media)

 Now you may not want to build the network like that, but it
 seems that Gb is overkill just for the VoIP side of things.
 (And with that many extensions, I would suggest keeping all
 the phones on one set of switches)

 (Then again, it might not be possible to get big PoE switches
 without Gb uplinks, so it might be a moot point!)

 So satisfy my curiosity - why Gb uplinks?

 Cheers,

 Gordon

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Norman Franke
On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 We've been EXTREMELY happy with the HP 5400ZL series chassis switch.


Same here. We have 4 of them and they have worked very, very well. I  
have 25 polycom phones at present doing PoE from them and everything  
is working great. They are reasonably priced, come with a lifetime  
warranty and free software updates. (Unlike with Cisco!)

Norman Franke
Answering Service for Directors, Inc.
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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Jerry Jones
The times they are a changing - or something like that.

while gb on phones is not the norm today, it s becoming more so on the  
higher end flavors and will continue to do so

since the life span of your switches will be several years, thinking  
ahead is a good thing

my only concern is having too many poe ports in a single switch,  
especially if it is a 1U model, running many with 24 ports poe I have  
had failures after a year or so. And with the new POE+ spec coming  
this will get even worse. Think adding more fans = more noise to get  
rid of the additional heat they generate


On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:04 PM, David Gibbons wrote:

 Right, it takes some doing to find a 1Gb switching phone though we  
 ended up going with a system based on the Cisco 7941G-GE. This model  
 supports all of the needed features including vlan tagging and 1Gb  
 switching.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 ] On Behalf Of Robert Augustyn
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:01 PM
 To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

 Most phones support only 100M switching though  Unless you run  
 separate
 cabling for VoIP and data but then you would not need the 1G uplink.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 David Gibbons
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:48 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

 Obviously we don't need 1Gb connections for VOIP :)

 Phones support pass through to the desktop and VLAN tagging.

 The need for 1Gb ports comes from wanting to have 1Gb at the desktop.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Gordon Henderson
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:29 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

 On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:

 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our
 current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk
 down the cash
 and do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that
 would get shot
 down by finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port
 solution with VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a
 single chassis or not, so long as it has Gbit uplinks.

 I'm curious as to why you want Gb uplinks on the switches?

 If we assume 100Kb/sec per phone .. (gross rounding, using
 100Kb/sec per phone, rather than ~80 - make the sums easier
 and builds in a margin) 10 calls per Mb/sec.

 So for a 24-port switch, 24 phones all talking to 24
 extensions off that switch, the max the uplink port is going
 to be pushing out is 2.4Mb/sec.

 For 200 extensions, say 9 x 24 port switches, with a single
 top-level (non PoE switch) switch with the PBX plugged in
 along side the 9 downlinks, that single PBX link will be
 carrying 2.4*9 = 22Mb/sec if all phones are in-use at the
 same time (and the PBX is carrying media)

 Now you may not want to build the network like that, but it
 seems that Gb is overkill just for the VoIP side of things.
 (And with that many extensions, I would suggest keeping all
 the phones on one set of switches)

 (Then again, it might not be possible to get big PoE switches
 without Gb uplinks, so it might be a moot point!)

 So satisfy my curiosity - why Gb uplinks?

 Cheers,

 Gordon

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Dave Walker
Ken D'Ambrosio wrote:
 Hey, all.  We're rolling out VoIP, and I'm wondering about PoE
 recommendations, as we're going to have to replace our current network
 equipment.  My first inclination would be to just plunk down the cash and
 do a Cisco system, but I'm relatively certain that would get shot down by
 finance.  Any recommendations for a couple-hundred-port solution with
 VLANs, PoE, and QoS?  Don't care much if it's in a single chassis or not,
 so long as it has Gbit uplinks.
   
Hi Ken,

I am rather impressed with Zyxel ES2024PWR,  I've used at least 40 of
these this year and not had any problems. I also can't recommend Zyxel's
support enough, I had initial concerns about the PoE budget and within a
couple of rings, I was through to someone who actually knew the product
inside out.

Kind Regards,
Dave Walker

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
- Singer Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We've had some bad experiences with Linksys in general (prior to
 going VOIP) and avoided them. We're running now fully on the NetGear
 FS728TP switch (24 port 10/100 POE, 4 port 1000 uplink, and 2 slots for fiber
 modules).

While I haven't worked with their PoE, let me say that every piece of NetGear
kit I have ever touched is still working, solid as a rock, including the 5 
port hub in my bag.  :-)

Cheers,
-- jra
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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Karl Fife
If you happen to be looking for a SMALL poe switch for a home or lab:

Think twice before you buy a netgear FS1xxP.  While they're great
because fanless, I've had 2 Netgear FS116p POE switches, and so far BOTH
have developed one or more 'dead' POE ports.  The manufacturer has a
LIFETIME warranty, but they have an advance-replacement charge, plus you
have to pay for your own shipping.  $60 so far this year on warranty
replacements.  According to support there is no 'Second Gen' hardware
design to fix the problem so I expect it will happen again.  Has anyone
else seen this?  

-Karl





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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Andrew Joakimsen
I've used the smaller ones, I think 8pt with 4pt PoE stuck in drop
ceilings and such to power ORiNOCO APs and never had an issue.

As for the larger switches I've used Linksys SRW224P. I have a few
running for a few years without issues. They have GB uplink but the
individual ports are 100M.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Karl Fife
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you happen to be looking for a SMALL poe switch for a home or lab:

 Think twice before you buy a netgear FS1xxP.  While they're great
 because fanless, I've had 2 Netgear FS116p POE switches, and so far BOTH
 have developed one or more 'dead' POE ports.  The manufacturer has a
 LIFETIME warranty, but they have an advance-replacement charge, plus you
 have to pay for your own shipping.  $60 so far this year on warranty
 replacements.  According to support there is no 'Second Gen' hardware
 design to fix the problem so I expect it will happen again.  Has anyone
 else seen this?

 -Karl





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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Karl Fife
 I've used the smaller ones, I think 8pt with 4pt PoE stuck in drop
 ceilings and such to power ORiNOCO APs and never had an issue.

That's a good data point.  We too have an FS108p (like yours) and it has
been reliable so far.  For us it's only been the FS116p's that have
failed.  It seems possible that the 16 port version has one or more
components that are just 'overdriven' variants of the 8 port version and
is therfore being overworked, perhaps leading to failure.  It seems
especially probable being a fanless design. 

-Karl 

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Re: [asterisk-users] PoE switch recommendations?

2008-10-06 Thread Daniel Hazelbaker
On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

 As for the larger switches I've used Linksys SRW224P. I have a few
 running for a few years without issues. They have GB uplink but the
 individual ports are 100M.

I recently purchased a few SRW208P switches.  They work fine.  If you  
run Windows.  Granted a lot of people run windows instead of Mac or  
Linux, but be aware (to those looking) that the SRW line of switches  
REQUIRE Internet Explorer on Windows.  The support site says it is  
recommended, but even the login page does not work properly on  
anything but IE on Windows.  For me, as a Mac user, it is enough to  
not buy any more of those ever again.

On the other side, We have a dozen switches in the SGE2000, SGE2000P  
and SGE2010P series that all work perfectly and with any browser I  
have tried.  Some may wonder why I would buy a 24/48-port fully  
gigabit switch.  It is because I don't want to have to think, or even  
keep track, of which port on the wall is PoE and which is Gigabit.  I  
just want to plug it in and work.  I want to be able to tell my staff  
Just plug your phone in and it will work, don't worry about trying to  
find a power adapter.  The extra money is worth not trying to keep  
track of which is which.  The SGE2000 switches we bought before the  
SGE2000P came down in price (it used to be like 4 times the non-PoE  
version).  Now, at a $220 difference ($880 verses $660) there is no  
question.

Beyond that, they work great.  VLAN setup and use is simple.  Link  
Aggregation works perfectly.  STP works like a charm (no more running  
around trying to figure out what idiot patched their wall jack into  
another wall jack).  The ability to transfer the switches  
configuration to a TFTP server (and HTTP in the 2010 version, 2000 is  
using old firmware) makes it easy to backup the configuration and  
restore it to a new switch in the event of complete failure.

Daniel

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