Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
Mark Coccimiglio wrote: Marty, Where are you paying $1000 for a 1600 series Cisco? I can get you 20% off that price on any quantity (note: Sarcasam). Its not the 1990's anymore. You can get them on eBay ($50-150) for only slightly more then the Linksys. The performance is rock solid. Three-quarters of the world have used them for decades. I know of units running 2 and 3 YEARS between reboots. The power company reboots my equipment more then I do. Ok it is true that Cisco does not support the models anymore, but you can't buy a services contract for a linksys router either. It can sometimes be a little difficult to configure without any technical knowledge but that is what most of us get paid for. It does impress the customer when you bring in the grey box labled Cisco. As for performance just try to put 50 people behind a linksys/netgear/dlink. I've used 1605R supporting +100 users. Not even a blink. Finally, untill everyone is using 10Mps FTTH the broad band link is still the slowest part of the connection. Not to shabby for antiquated technology. Mark C Martin Joseph wrote: On 2007-01-06 00:48:11 -0800, Mark Coccimiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike I'm using a Cisco 1605R [running IOS 12.3(5a)] small office router with Fair-Weight queueing enabled. Works great. The nice thing about Fair-Weight queueing is that it dynamically adapts to lower the priority of higher demand traffic (e.g. large downloads). If you want quality stick with quality stuff. Mark C Reread the subject line please. $1000 (US) isn't inexpensive by any stretch. Marty ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Mark, Do these 1600 series Cisco routers you mention that you find on eBay for $50-$150 support Layer3 routing? I have a managed switch setup on my home network with several VLANs defined. (work subnet, home subnet, VOIP subnet) I currently have to use a Linux box to route between the VLANs. I'd like to move to Gigabit routing, but I'd need to replace the Linux box(more processor power and new NICs) and that gets expensive. I'd much rather have a router or smart switch for that matter that does Gigabit Layer3 routing all in one unit. Do you have any recommendationsthat wouldn't break the bank? Thanks, Ed ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
I'd wager to say yes, it does support layer 3 routing :) That's a bit of a redundant term (though you can route above layer 3). Depending on how many interfaces you have on your router, you may be sending multiple vlans over a trunk port (I'm pretty sure the 1600 series support trunk ports -- you may want to google 'router on a stick'). Most of the layer 3 gigabit switches will still be very expensive, though Catalyst 3500's may be getting 'cheaper' -- most of the 3500 and 3700 series switch have multi-gigabit backplanes (usually 16 - 32 gigabits) and can usually route packets are wire speed, or very close to it. If you are looking for a gigabit port or two for uplink, I believe they even made a 2900G, though that won't have PoE. And now that I think about it, probably doesn't support layer 3 routing :( That's the Cisco world, I'm sure you can find other vendors that have hardware for much cheaper, though this is an advantage to using the same networking equipment most other people are using. Also, most of this is overkill for a handful of network devices. On 1/10/07, Ed Rubright - mail lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do these 1600 series Cisco routers you mention that you find on eBay for $50-$150 support Layer3 routing? I have a managed switch setup on my home network with several VLANs defined. (work subnet, home subnet, VOIP subnet) I currently have to use a Linux box to route between the VLANs. I'd like to move to Gigabit routing, but I'd need to replace the Linux box(more processor power and new NICs) and that gets expensive. I'd much rather have a router or smart switch for that matter that does Gigabit Layer3 routing all in one unit. Do you have any recommendationsthat wouldn't break the bank? Thanks, Ed ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
Mark, Do these 1600 series Cisco routers you mention that you find on eBay for $50-$150 support Layer3 routing? I have a managed switch setup on my home network with several VLANs defined. (work subnet, home subnet, VOIP subnet) I currently have to use a Linux box to route between the VLANs. I'd like to move to Gigabit routing, but I'd need to replace the Linux box(more processor power and new NICs) and that gets expensive. I'd much rather have a router or smart switch for that matter that does Gigabit Layer3 routing all in one unit. Do you have any recommendationsthat wouldn't break the bank? Thanks, Ed Ed, Layer3 routing is a fundamental function of a router which is supported by the Cisco 1600 series (1605R specifically) router. However VLAN definitations are not supported in the 1600 series. You would need to moveup to the 1700 or 2500 series for that function. As for Gigabit support the 1600 and 1700 series do not support that high speed interface. These router are designed around WAN style routing operating at ~1.5Mbps. Gigabit routing is a rather cutting edge capablity that is only seen in newer hardware. I would checkout a Cisco Catalyst 3500 series for something like that. Be carefull and look closely some systems only support 2 ports on 1000baseT and the rest are 100BaseT. Good luck and happy hunting, Mark Coccimiglio ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
Quoting Mark Coccimiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mark, Do these 1600 series Cisco routers you mention that you find on eBay for $50-$150 support Layer3 routing? I have a managed switch setup on my home network with several VLANs defined. (work subnet, home subnet, VOIP subnet) I currently have to use a Linux box to route between the VLANs. I'd like to move to Gigabit routing, but I'd need to replace the Linux box(more processor power and new NICs) and that gets expensive. I'd much rather have a router or smart switch for that matter that does Gigabit Layer3 routing all in one unit. Do you have any recommendationsthat wouldn't break the bank? Do you actually know how utilized the linux box is now ? its probably near zero and all you need is a couple cards. Routing even with complex rules takes very little cpu. Thanks, Ed Ed, Layer3 routing is a fundamental function of a router which is supported by the Cisco 1600 series (1605R specifically) router. However VLAN definitations are not supported in the 1600 series. You would need to moveup to the 1700 or 2500 series for that function. As for Gigabit support the 1600 and 1700 series do not support that high speed interface. These router are designed around WAN style routing operating at ~1.5Mbps. Gigabit routing is a rather cutting edge capablity that is only seen in newer hardware. I would checkout a Cisco Catalyst 3500 series for something like that. Be carefull and look closely some systems only support 2 ports on 1000baseT and the rest are 100BaseT. Good luck and happy hunting, Mark Coccimiglio ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
Marty, Where are you paying $1000 for a 1600 series Cisco? I can get you 20% off that price on any quantity (note: Sarcasam). Its not the 1990's anymore. You can get them on eBay ($50-150) for only slightly more then the Linksys. The performance is rock solid. Three-quarters of the world have used them for decades. I know of units running 2 and 3 YEARS between reboots. The power company reboots my equipment more then I do. Ok it is true that Cisco does not support the models anymore, but you can't buy a services contract for a linksys router either. It can sometimes be a little difficult to configure without any technical knowledge but that is what most of us get paid for. It does impress the customer when you bring in the grey box labled Cisco. As for performance just try to put 50 people behind a linksys/netgear/dlink. I've used 1605R supporting +100 users. Not even a blink. Finally, untill everyone is using 10Mps FTTH the broad band link is still the slowest part of the connection. Not to shabby for antiquated technology. Mark C Martin Joseph wrote: On 2007-01-06 00:48:11 -0800, Mark Coccimiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike I'm using a Cisco 1605R [running IOS 12.3(5a)] small office router with Fair-Weight queueing enabled. Works great. The nice thing about Fair-Weight queueing is that it dynamically adapts to lower the priority of higher demand traffic (e.g. large downloads). If you want quality stick with quality stuff. Mark C Reread the subject line please. $1000 (US) isn't inexpensive by any stretch. Marty ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
On 2007-01-07 01:23:22 -0800, Mark Coccimiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Marty, Where are you paying $1000 for a 1600 series Cisco? I can get you 20% off that price on any quantity (note: Sarcasam). Its not the 1990's anymore. You can get them on eBay ($50-150) for only slightly more then the Linksys. The performance is rock solid. Three-quarters of the world have used them for decades. I know of units running 2 and 3 YEARS between reboots. The power company reboots my equipment more then I do. Ok it is true that Cisco does not support the models anymore, but you can't buy a services contract for a linksys router either. It can sometimes be a little difficult to configure without any technical knowledge but that is what most of us get paid for. It does impress the customer when you bring in the grey box labled Cisco. As for performance just try to put 50 people behind a linksys/netgear/dlink. I've used 1605R supporting +100 users. Not even a blink. Finally, untill everyone is using 10Mps FTTH the broad band link is still the slowest part of the connection. Not to shabby for antiquated technology. Ok, Thanks for the pricing update. I am decidedly old school and sometimes get stuck with old information. I did see people selling these for $800. But I guess the web is full of antiquated pricing info also. Thanks for the idea. Marty PS Any ideas on inexpensive wireless APs? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
On 2007-01-04 09:56:58 -0800, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi, I'm looking for opinions on the best value router to use for home offices. It should work for a scenario in which there are 3 computers and 2 SIP phones, handling QoS so that the phones always have higher priority traffic than the PCs. (and not rely on the phones to do the QoS because some PCs may not be connected to the phones). QoS could be based on destination and source IP (i.e. an Asterisk server) or MAC address of the phones. Ideally with PoE, but at this point it's just a bonus. What are people on this list using? I've found that the mention QoS on a box doesn't guarantee any real QoS functionality. I am using the Zyxel X-550 which seems to be quite nice and has a pretty robust ability to to QoS. I haven't actually tested in hard cases yet, but it seems to be working all right so far. Marty PS about $30 US after rebate. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
On 2007-01-06 00:48:11 -0800, Mark Coccimiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike I'm using a Cisco 1605R [running IOS 12.3(5a)] small office router with Fair-Weight queueing enabled. Works great. The nice thing about Fair-Weight queueing is that it dynamically adapts to lower the priority of higher demand traffic (e.g. large downloads). If you want quality stick with quality stuff. Mark C Reread the subject line please. $1000 (US) isn't inexpensive by any stretch. Marty ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
As I posted yesterday, Use m0n0wall from m0n0.ch on an old pc or a little router box for the best results. I use draytek 2910 routers and they work fine. On 6/1/07 19:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
I use pfSense, which is based upon m0n0wall. It provides a lot more features than a stock m0n0wall, and I haven't had any problems with it. The RRD graphs it provides are really great informational tools, and there's a built in QoS wizard that even has Asterisk as a built-in option to prioritize. Alex On 1/6/07, Robbie Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I posted yesterday, Use m0n0wall from m0n0.ch on an old pc or a little router box for the best results. I use draytek 2910 routers and they work fine. On 6/1/07 19:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP(QoS with maybe PoE)
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 05:37:22PM -0500, Allen Casteran wrote: Mike wrote: You're quite right, I typed before thinking. Upload is the problem anyways, since it usually (in homes) uses much more limited bandwidth than downloading does. No answer to my question though: How do you people handle QoS without relying on the phones to do that? I'd like a box that can be purchased and installed easily (Linksys type of product) Mike, Unless your ISP specifically supports QOS on your internet connection there is NO QOS beyond your router. Only within your network will the QOS be effective. Once the packets go through your router all control is lost. :) This also means that you have little control over the priority of the traffic coming through the router's WAN port. The most you could do with QOS in this case is to limit outbound traffic from your PC if it would interfere with a voice call. The same is not true for the return (ie inbound) packets. True, but for many people the upstream path is the biggest, and sometimes the only bottleneck in their internet traffic, especially to a good termination provider that has not underprovisioned. So this is the one place QoS can make a difference. For downstream, it can be an issue. Though in theory a clever router can notice the amount of high-priority RTP traffic that is going through, and then cause incoming TCP traffic to back off to leave room for the RTP traffic. I don't know if the cheap boxes do this. The D-link DI-102 qos box literature seems to talk mostly about upstream so I don't think it does this. On the other hand, I tested my wrt54g with qos firmware on, and while downloading at full speed I detected no dropped packets in incoming voice, so perhaps it does that. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)
The absolute best results I have had were with m0n0wall (m0n0.ch) which worked perfectly for me to bounce voip calls over vpns with other traffic and no user any the wiser. Second after that but with lots of plus points for value come the draytek routers. A couple of years ago, their firmware used to be terrible with the boxes crashing every 10 minutes if you tried to use any of their feautures, but I now have clients on 6 of their 2900 routers, 4 of the 3300v routers and I'm trying out a 2910 (dual wan) for myself at the moment and they all work perfectly. The vpn functionality seems to be very robust as well. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router for VoIP(QoS with maybe PoE)
Mike wrote: You're quite right, I typed before thinking. Upload is the problem anyways, since it usually (in homes) uses much more limited bandwidth than downloading does. No answer to my question though: How do you people handle QoS without relying on the phones to do that? I'd like a box that can be purchased and installed easily (Linksys type of product) Mike, Unless your ISP specifically supports QOS on your internet connection there is NO QOS beyond your router. Only within your network will the QOS be effective. Once the packets go through your router all control is lost. :) This also means that you have little control over the priority of the traffic coming through the router's WAN port. The most you could do with QOS in this case is to limit outbound traffic from your PC if it would interfere with a voice call. The same is not true for the return (ie inbound) packets. Allen. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
