Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-08-10 Thread stan
On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 11:52:51AM +0100, Nick Barnes wrote:
 The reason I ask is that I installed a BRI system (Single Fritz! AVM card
 using chan_CAPI) last week which refused to work - turned out that British
 Telecom had provisioned the line as a point-to-point and not
 point-to-multipoint as requested. Accepting that BT were going to take
 several days to fix their cock-up, I tried to get the card to work in
 point-to-point mode, but failed miserably.
 
 I could really do with getting point-to-point working on these cards as
 they're cheap and in plentiful supply.
 
 Have I completely misunderstood the issue and am just being stoopid, or is
 it not possible to do this with these cards?


they work in ptp mode (not espcially well last time I tried) with the
mISDN drivers

 PS If HFC is the best way to go, does anybody have any recommendations on
 cheap HFC card suppliers in the UK?

search for billion isdn pci on ebay or other HFC-S cards listed on
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-zaptelBRI.  For new ones, i've seen them at
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=119006cks=PRL though not tried
them from here myself.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-08-09 Thread Nick Barnes
 
Robinson Tim-W10277:
 We are using the HFC card in point-to-point mode with DDI.
 
 I am using bri-stuff-0.0.2 as well.

So, reading between the lines

To enable DDI/DID/DOD, the card must be run under the ZAPHFC channel driver
and therefore must be a HFC card? Can somebody confirm this?

The reason I ask is that I installed a BRI system (Single Fritz! AVM card
using chan_CAPI) last week which refused to work - turned out that British
Telecom had provisioned the line as a point-to-point and not
point-to-multipoint as requested. Accepting that BT were going to take
several days to fix their cock-up, I tried to get the card to work in
point-to-point mode, but failed miserably.

I could really do with getting point-to-point working on these cards as
they're cheap and in plentiful supply.

Have I completely misunderstood the issue and am just being stoopid, or is
it not possible to do this with these cards?

Many thanks,

Nick.

PS If HFC is the best way to go, does anybody have any recommendations on
cheap HFC card suppliers in the UK?


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-08-09 Thread Michael Sandee
What I understood from earlier discussion is that the AVM cards do not 
support ptp mode, only in the more expensive models. (Or was that Eicon, 
but those are all expensive... mmmh) ;)

Either way, zaphfc/qozap seems to be the better choice for any application.
Nick Barnes wrote:
Robinson Tim-W10277:
 

We are using the HFC card in point-to-point mode with DDI.
I am using bri-stuff-0.0.2 as well.
   

So, reading between the lines
To enable DDI/DID/DOD, the card must be run under the ZAPHFC channel driver
and therefore must be a HFC card? Can somebody confirm this?
The reason I ask is that I installed a BRI system (Single Fritz! AVM card
using chan_CAPI) last week which refused to work - turned out that British
Telecom had provisioned the line as a point-to-point and not
point-to-multipoint as requested. Accepting that BT were going to take
several days to fix their cock-up, I tried to get the card to work in
point-to-point mode, but failed miserably.
I could really do with getting point-to-point working on these cards as
they're cheap and in plentiful supply.
Have I completely misunderstood the issue and am just being stoopid, or is
it not possible to do this with these cards?
Many thanks,
Nick.
PS If HFC is the best way to go, does anybody have any recommendations on
cheap HFC card suppliers in the UK?
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-08-09 Thread Holger Schurig
 To enable DDI/DID/DOD, the card must be run under the ZAPHFC channel
 driver and therefore must be a HFC card? Can somebody confirm this?

Basically yes, but ...

 The reason I ask is that I installed a BRI system (Single Fritz! AVM
 card using chan_CAPI) last week which refused to work

... if you are on kernel 2.6 and patch up your kernel with the mISDN 
modular isdn driver, then you might be able to run BRI P2P with 
mISDN+chan_capi.


 I could really do with getting point-to-point working on these cards as
 they're cheap and in plentiful supply.

HFC cards are cheap as well.



Check the voip-info.org wiki, as usual :-)

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-08-09 Thread Nick Barnes
 
Holger Schurig:
 Basically yes, but ...

Many thanks for your help - I'll stop playing with the AVM cards now!

 HFC cards are cheap as well.
 
 Check the voip-info.org wiki, as usual :-)

Indeed. Had a look there and found a few cards, but what I really was after
was recommendations for a good UK supplier or source of the cards.

Cheers,

Nick.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-08-09 Thread Maurizio Marini
On Monday 09 August 2004 14:06, Nick Barnes wrote:
 Holger Schurig:
  Basically yes, but ...
 
 Many thanks for your help - I'll stop playing with the AVM cards now!
but chan_capi is in sync with * cvs, hfc-s support (bri_stuff) no

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-07-05 Thread Michael Welter
Alessio Focardi wrote:
Hello Robinson,
Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 11:19:35 AM, you wrote:
RTW We are using the HFC card in point-to-point mode with DDI.
RTW I am using bri-stuff-0.0.2 as well.
Have someone got a list of bristuff compatible ISDN card ?
I have, for example, some DIGI (datafire) cards that have an HFC-S
chipset but that are not recnognized by zaphfc  some other brands,
same chipset but different revision (last number on chip, I guess is
revision code) are working ok.
Looks strange, no ? :)

RTW Rgds
RTW Tim
RTW -Original Message-
RTW From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RTW [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alessio
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RTW Sent: 30 June 2004 10:12
RTW To: Tomaz
RTW Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card :
RTW point2point  DDI
RTW Hello Tomaz,
RTW Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 10:58:56 AM, you wrote:
T hello,
T anyone has worknig ISDN hfc-pci card in DDI (DID) point2point mode?
T what kernel ?
RTW Dunno what DDI is but I'm currently using a HFC card in NT mode
RTW point2point using the package bristuff 0.0.0.2 with fedora core 1 and
RTW his out of the box kernel.

T and second question mISDN driver .. anyone has working solution with
T mISDN and maybe fritz card?
T what you suggest for DDI - point2point mode (card,kernel,chan_...,
T ...) ?
T thank you,
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You need to edit zaphfc.c and recompile.  Change constants 
PCI_VENDOR_ID_CCD and PCI_DEVICE_ID_CCD... to your card.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-07-01 Thread Holger Schurig
 It does not work with the binary only AVM Fritz card driver.

And I did not get P2P+DID working even with active AVM card. The chan_capi 
driver kept spindle a loop when I started Asterisk.

Now I'm at zaphfc, that works the best.



So, to make things simple: If you want P2P+DID (Anlagenanschluss), you 
won't go for AVM cards to save nerves (and money, the active cards are 
not cheap). Go for zaphfc.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-07-01 Thread Tomaz
Holger Schurig wrote:
It does not work with the binary only AVM Fritz card driver.
   

And I did not get P2P+DID working even with active AVM card. The chan_capi 
driver kept spindle a loop when I started Asterisk.

Now I'm at zaphfc, that works the best.

So, to make things simple: If you want P2P+DID (Anlagenanschluss), you 
won't go for AVM cards to save nerves (and money, the active cards are 
not cheap). Go for zaphfc.
 

Just one thing ... for zaphfc .. what version of kernel is best option 
2.4.26(28) or 2.6.7 ... for bri-stuff ?
what must be compiled in kernel or what modules must be selected (i mean 
isdn stuff) ? if any ..

Tomaz
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Alessio Focardi
Hello Tomaz,

Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 10:58:56 AM, you wrote:

T hello,

T anyone has worknig ISDN hfc-pci card in DDI (DID) point2point mode?
T what kernel ?

Dunno what DDI is but I'm currently using a HFC card in NT mode
point2point using the package bristuff 0.0.0.2 with fedora core 1 and
his out of the box kernel.



T and second question mISDN driver .. anyone has working solution with
T mISDN and maybe fritz card?

T what you suggest for DDI - point2point mode (card,kernel,chan_..., ...) ?

T thank you,
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Robinson Tim-W10277
We are using the HFC card in point-to-point mode with DDI.

I am using bri-stuff-0.0.2 as well.
Rgds
Tim

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point2point  DDI


Hello Tomaz,

Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 10:58:56 AM, you wrote:

T hello,

T anyone has worknig ISDN hfc-pci card in DDI (DID) point2point mode? 
T what kernel ?

Dunno what DDI is but I'm currently using a HFC card in NT mode
point2point using the package bristuff 0.0.0.2 with fedora core 1 and
his out of the box kernel.



T and second question mISDN driver .. anyone has working solution with 
T mISDN and maybe fritz card?

T what you suggest for DDI - point2point mode (card,kernel,chan_..., 
T ...) ?

T thank you,
T Tomaz
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Holger Schurig
 anyone has worknig ISDN hfc-pci card in DDI (DID) point2point mode?
 what kernel ?

I have.

I'm using Linux kernel 2.6.7. 

 what you suggest for DDI - point2point mode (card,kernel,chan_...,
 ...) ?

In the wiki there's a page where I described how I got Asterisk CVS 
working with bristuff-0.0.2 (which contains zaphfc, but is originally for 
an older Asterisk version).

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Tomaz
hi Tim,
what about winbond card ? 6692 or something like that .. this is here 
asus isdn pci adapter ..

tnx,
Tomaz

Robinson Tim-W10277 wrote:
We are using the HFC card in point-to-point mode with DDI.
I am using bri-stuff-0.0.2 as well.
Rgds
Tim
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point2point  DDI
Hello Tomaz,
Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 10:58:56 AM, you wrote:
T hello,
T anyone has worknig ISDN hfc-pci card in DDI (DID) point2point mode? 
T what kernel ?

Dunno what DDI is but I'm currently using a HFC card in NT mode
point2point using the package bristuff 0.0.0.2 with fedora core 1 and
his out of the box kernel.

T and second question mISDN driver .. anyone has working solution with 
T mISDN and maybe fritz card?

T what you suggest for DDI - point2point mode (card,kernel,chan_..., 
T ...) ?

T thank you,
T Tomaz
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Tomaz
hello Holger,
what card you have? with hfc chipset?
Tomaz
Holger Schurig wrote:
anyone has worknig ISDN hfc-pci card in DDI (DID) point2point mode?
what kernel ?
   

I have.
I'm using Linux kernel 2.6.7. 

 

what you suggest for DDI - point2point mode (card,kernel,chan_...,
...) ?
   

In the wiki there's a page where I described how I got Asterisk CVS 
working with bristuff-0.0.2 (which contains zaphfc, but is originally for 
an older Asterisk version).

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Tomaz
hi Tim,
what you think this card will work with bri-stuff ?  DDI  P2P ?
ASUS HN 100 ST D 128K (i think it has winbond chip)
tnx,
tomaz
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Robinson Tim-W10277 wrote:
There are several cards that use the chipset, and we had to modify the
code to get it to recognise the cards.  I have spoken to kapejod and the
next release 0.0.3 of the drivers (due out this week!!) will support
detection of the chipset itself rather than the card ID, so you should
find that the new version will fix this.
If you want I will send you the patch we made to pick up Asustec cards
as well as Billion cards.
Rgds
Tim
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Subject: Re[2]: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card :
point2point  DDI
Hello Robinson,
Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 11:19:35 AM, you wrote:
RTW We are using the HFC card in point-to-point mode with DDI.
RTW I am using bri-stuff-0.0.2 as well.
Have someone got a list of bristuff compatible ISDN card ?
I have, for example, some DIGI (datafire) cards that have an HFC-S
chipset but that are not recnognized by zaphfc  some other brands,
same chipset but different revision (last number on chip, I guess is
revision code) are working ok.
Looks strange, no ? :)

RTW Rgds
RTW Tim
RTW -Original Message-
RTW From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RTW [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alessio
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RTW Sent: 30 June 2004 10:12
RTW To: Tomaz
RTW Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : 
RTW point2point  DDI

RTW Hello Tomaz,
RTW Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 10:58:56 AM, you wrote:
T hello,
T anyone has worknig ISDN hfc-pci card in DDI (DID) point2point mode? 
T what kernel ?

RTW Dunno what DDI is but I'm currently using a HFC card in NT mode 
RTW point2point using the package bristuff 0.0.0.2 with fedora core 1 
RTW and his out of the box kernel.


T and second question mISDN driver .. anyone has working solution with
T mISDN and maybe fritz card?
T what you suggest for DDI - point2point mode (card,kernel,chan_...,
T ...) ?
T thank you,
T Tomaz
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Holger Schurig
 what card you have? with hfc chipset?

Two D-Link LCS-8051 cards.

Of course with HFC chipset, otherwise I wouldn't use zaphfc ...

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Holger Schurig
 ASUS HN 100 ST D 128K (i think it has winbond chip)

If you think then probably no one can say something for sure.

Use lspci and post the output for this card.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Gary Pigott
I'm taking a slight tangent here, but stay with me.
It looks like there are three methods of using HFC-S based ISDN BRI cards
with *. Capi (via capi.conf), zaphfc (via zapata.conf), and isdn4linux (via
modem.conf). Why, and which one is better and for which reasons?

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Klaus-Peter Junghanns
 I'm taking a slight tangent here, but stay with me.
 It looks like there are three methods of using HFC-S based ISDN BRI cards
 with *. Capi (via capi.conf), zaphfc (via zapata.conf), and isdn4linux (via
 modem.conf). Why, and which one is better and for which reasons?
 

zaphfc is the best solution, because you get a zaptel timing source, 
NT mode support and echo cancelation!

capi would be the next option, but then you would need to use mISDN
which is not as stable.

isdn4linux shouldnt be used at all. It is good for data application
but unusable for voice (you will enjoy lots of echo and an increasing
latency).

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Klaus-Peter Junghanns

Am Mi, 2004-06-30 um 12.29 schrieb Holger Schurig:
  ASUS HN 100 ST D 128K (i think it has winbond chip)
 
 If you think then probably no one can say something for sure.
 
 Use lspci and post the output for this card.

Just read what it says on the chipset. If it is a Winbond 6692 then
just wait a little. A zaptel driver for that one is already in
the works

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Philipp von Klitzing
Hi!

 It looks like there are three methods of using HFC-S based ISDN BRI
 cards with *. Capi (via capi.conf), zaphfc (via zapata.conf), and
 isdn4linux (via modem.conf). Why, and which one is better and for which
 reasons? 

i4l: Trouble with outgoing DTMF (not working), less ISDN features than 
chan_capi, known to be not very stable/reliable (?works only with HiSax 
cards?), reportedly messy code, issues with echo and latency

chan_capi: more features (early dial, call deflection, ISDN hold  
retrieve etc), stable, comes with echosquelch, works only with cards that 
have CAPI driver support; far more popular among Asterisk users compared 
to isdn4linux; can't detect if another application outside Asterisk is 
already using a specific ISDN channel (?)

zaphfc: works only with HFC cards, can also be used in NT mode (so that 
you can connect an ISDN PBX or an ISDN phone to Asterisk), works as ZAP 
channel and thus comes along with all the usual ZAP features (echo 
cancellation, ZAP timer, but also ZapBarge etc)

chan_misdn: very new; needs misdn kernel module or kernel 2.6.x; not 
widely used (yet)

Cheers, Philipp


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Tomaz
ok,
here is something to add .. correct me if I'm wrong!
tomaz
Philipp von Klitzing wrote:
Hi!
 

It looks like there are three methods of using HFC-S based ISDN BRI
cards with *. Capi (via capi.conf), zaphfc (via zapata.conf), and
isdn4linux (via modem.conf). Why, and which one is better and for which
reasons? 
   

-
 

---
i4l: Trouble with outgoing DTMF (not working), less ISDN features than 
chan_capi, known to be not very stable/reliable (?works only with HiSax 
cards?), reportedly messy code, issues with echo and latency

 


chan_capi: more features (early dial, call deflection, ISDN hold  
retrieve etc), stable, comes with echosquelch, works only with cards that 
have CAPI driver support; far more popular among Asterisk users compared 
to isdn4linux; can't detect if another application outside Asterisk is 
already using a specific ISDN channel (?)
 

-DDI - p2p point2 point is NOT working
--
zaphfc: works only with HFC cards, can also be used in NT mode (so that 
you can connect an ISDN PBX or an ISDN phone to Asterisk), works as ZAP 
channel and thus comes along with all the usual ZAP features (echo 
cancellation, ZAP timer, but also ZapBarge etc)

 

DDI -p2p point2point is working
--
chan_misdn: very new; needs misdn kernel module or kernel 2.6.x; not 
widely used (yet)

 


Cheers, Philipp
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaphfc - hfc pci based ISDN card : point2point DDI

2004-06-30 Thread Klaus-Peter Junghanns
Am Mi, 2004-06-30 um 17.21 schrieb Tomaz:
 ok,
 
  here is something to add .. correct me if I'm wrong!
 
ok, i will! ;-)

 chan_capi: more features (early dial, call deflection, ISDN hold  
 retrieve etc), stable, comes with echosquelch, works only with cards that 
 have CAPI driver support; far more popular among Asterisk users compared 
 to isdn4linux; can't detect if another application outside Asterisk is 
 already using a specific ISDN channel (?)
   
 
 -DDI - p2p point2 point is NOT working

It does not work with the binary only AVM Fritz card driver. A pure
software limitation to sell their active cards
All other capi cards support point-to-point (even the AVM Fritz
card with mISDN's capi layer).

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Klaus
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