RE: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Hahahahaha |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell (NZ) |Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:13 PM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 | |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | |Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote: |> Anton Krall wrote: |>> This is exactly one of the things that Steve and I discussed a bit ago... |>> when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good |>> developers |>> into a business that only focuses in $$$? |> |> I imagine that happened around the time they sold their soul to the |> venture capitalists. 8-) |> |> Oddly, I download and install Asterisk for free all the time. | |Oh, you must be using the warez version then. | |31337 then aren't you! | |:D | |- -- |Cheers, | |Matt Riddell |___ | |http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) |http://wap.sineapps.com (Daily Asterisk News for your cellphone) |http://feeds.feedburner.com/AsteriskNews (Daily Asterisk News - rss) |-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- |Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) |Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org | |iD8DBQFFoWJbS6d5vy0jeVcRArCpAJ9nJUq1NHzN/X8DrCMe7yB8LtNXkwCcCRfj |2KojUWrXmmJ/x55GMwvYZoI= |=tUpw |-END PGP SIGNATURE- |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote: > Anton Krall wrote: >> This is exactly one of the things that Steve and I discussed a bit ago... >> when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good >> developers >> into a business that only focuses in $$$? > > I imagine that happened around the time they sold their soul to the > venture capitalists. 8-) > > Oddly, I download and install Asterisk for free all the time. Oh, you must be using the warez version then. 31337 then aren't you! :D - -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://wap.sineapps.com (Daily Asterisk News for your cellphone) http://feeds.feedburner.com/AsteriskNews (Daily Asterisk News - rss) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoWJbS6d5vy0jeVcRArCpAJ9nJUq1NHzN/X8DrCMe7yB8LtNXkwCcCRfj 2KojUWrXmmJ/x55GMwvYZoI= =tUpw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
On 6 Jan 2007, at 19:37, Anton Krall wrote: Anyway, we are drifting from the initial point which was to hope and support further development of R2MFC on the asterisk community so I propose a bounty to get Steve (sheesh, that's sounded like a hit bounty :)) I meant, a bounty to convince Steve to help the community that still uses R2 what do you say? I'm not sure that Steve is likely to be bribed into contributing I didn't get the impression that it was a matter of money, more to do with commit access and technical design. Put a bounty up by all means, but leave it open to anyone who has the time/skills to maintain the unicall<-> asterisk channel driver - or perhaps write a new one. Tim Panton www.mexuar.net www.westhawk.co.uk/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
On 1/6/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyway, we are drifting from the initial point which was to hope and support further development of R2MFC on the asterisk community Yeah, you are right :) so I propose a bounty to get Steve (sheesh, that's sounded like a hit bounty :)) I meant, a bounty to convince Steve to help the community that still uses R2 what do you say? I think is a very good Idea. I suggest you doing something like this: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk%20bounty%20bluetooth%20cell-phone%20support So Anyone can keep adding money to the bounty. You need to put the requirements you are looking for, status etc. Kind Regards -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Hi All, good? In that I will be able to collaborate with the community of asterisk and channel of the Steve Underwood, that really made and makes an excellent work, I can count on me. I am ready in that will be necessary. Best Regards Josue 2007/1/6, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I agree with your last argument, exactly how it should be, Digium's free asterisk version has no warranties, as it should be, if you want support, you have to buy ... that's the way it works and should work. My complain is regarding the issue that all related asterisk projects like unicall were too spread around and usually no updated info is available, you can find bits and pieces of info around about new releases (like in voip-info) but like what happened with unicall and 1.4, nobody knew Steve was droping support for it ... hell, even somebody just saw the news and asked about it... that's what sometimes worries me, the owner of the project has the social responsibility of updating the news and keeping the community in touch with whats new, etc. for example SugarCRM, you can find everything on their page, news, etc. in the case of Digium and Asterisk, information is scattered around and sometimes its hard to find news about certain stuff, like unicall and this case. Anyway, we are drifting from the initial point which was to hope and support further development of R2MFC on the asterisk community so I propose a bounty to get Steve (sheesh, that's sounded like a hit bounty :)) I meant, a bounty to convince Steve to help the community that still uses R2 what do you say? |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva |Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:58 PM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 | |On 1/5/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> I think you are misunderstanding several points here Moises. |May be | |> I do give Digium a break like you said, that's why you have options |I dont understand this. How is related that you give Digium a break, |with the fact |that I have the option of use sangoma, Digium or clone hardware? | |> But from the programmers perspective, if some open source software gets too |> controlled by a company, then the synergy of open source is kind of broken, |MySQL is open source, but it is mainly ( only ) developed by the |company itself, so please dont contribute to the widely missuse of the |"open source" concept. Open Source does not mean free, Open Source |does not mean anyone is welcomed to contribute code. | |> all projects have rules and what I meant is that Digium right now is too |> controlling and that's why some programmers have decided to leave asterisk |Once again, the rules are not the main problem ( important factor |though ), the main problem are the technical differences. | |> and pursue other projects in which they fell more comfortable and can |> provide code in an easier manner. |Good for them!, more options for everyone. | |> What I really have never liked is cases like what happened to unicall, there |> was no news or announcements, simply , in 1.4 it's not there anymore :) |Anton, honestly, this is the part that "rings" into my head. Digium |NEVER supported formally the development of Unicall, Unicall was NEVER |part of the formal Asterisk release or addons, so it was NEVER there!. |Unicall was only Steves project that happens to work with Asterisk. If |I write a channel driver, as long as I dont sign and fax a disclaimer |to Digium and is accepted, Digium does not have ANY responsibility |about my code, in this case Steve's code. Even AFTER this, please |execute this: | |asterisk -vvvr |show warranty | |and if you have the free edition as I suppose you will see a BIG | |NO WARRANTY | |If you want more support BUY ( if you havent done already ) Asterisk |bussiness/enterprise edition. | |Kind Regards and Good Look! | |Moises | |-- |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
I agree with your last argument, exactly how it should be, Digium's free asterisk version has no warranties, as it should be, if you want support, you have to buy ... that's the way it works and should work. My complain is regarding the issue that all related asterisk projects like unicall were too spread around and usually no updated info is available, you can find bits and pieces of info around about new releases (like in voip-info) but like what happened with unicall and 1.4, nobody knew Steve was droping support for it ... hell, even somebody just saw the news and asked about it... that's what sometimes worries me, the owner of the project has the social responsibility of updating the news and keeping the community in touch with whats new, etc. for example SugarCRM, you can find everything on their page, news, etc. in the case of Digium and Asterisk, information is scattered around and sometimes its hard to find news about certain stuff, like unicall and this case. Anyway, we are drifting from the initial point which was to hope and support further development of R2MFC on the asterisk community so I propose a bounty to get Steve (sheesh, that's sounded like a hit bounty :)) I meant, a bounty to convince Steve to help the community that still uses R2 what do you say? |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva |Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:58 PM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 | |On 1/5/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> I think you are misunderstanding several points here Moises. |May be | |> I do give Digium a break like you said, that's why you have options |I dont understand this. How is related that you give Digium a break, |with the fact |that I have the option of use sangoma, Digium or clone hardware? | |> But from the programmers perspective, if some open source software gets too |> controlled by a company, then the synergy of open source is kind of broken, |MySQL is open source, but it is mainly ( only ) developed by the |company itself, so please dont contribute to the widely missuse of the |"open source" concept. Open Source does not mean free, Open Source |does not mean anyone is welcomed to contribute code. | |> all projects have rules and what I meant is that Digium right now is too |> controlling and that's why some programmers have decided to leave asterisk |Once again, the rules are not the main problem ( important factor |though ), the main problem are the technical differences. | |> and pursue other projects in which they fell more comfortable and can |> provide code in an easier manner. |Good for them!, more options for everyone. | |> What I really have never liked is cases like what happened to unicall, there |> was no news or announcements, simply , in 1.4 it's not there anymore :) |Anton, honestly, this is the part that "rings" into my head. Digium |NEVER supported formally the development of Unicall, Unicall was NEVER |part of the formal Asterisk release or addons, so it was NEVER there!. |Unicall was only Steves project that happens to work with Asterisk. If |I write a channel driver, as long as I dont sign and fax a disclaimer |to Digium and is accepted, Digium does not have ANY responsibility |about my code, in this case Steve's code. Even AFTER this, please |execute this: | |asterisk -vvvr |show warranty | |and if you have the free edition as I suppose you will see a BIG | |NO WARRANTY | |If you want more support BUY ( if you havent done already ) Asterisk |bussiness/enterprise edition. | |Kind Regards and Good Look! | |Moises | |-- |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
On 1/5/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think you are misunderstanding several points here Moises. May be I do give Digium a break like you said, that's why you have options I dont understand this. How is related that you give Digium a break, with the fact that I have the option of use sangoma, Digium or clone hardware? But from the programmers perspective, if some open source software gets too controlled by a company, then the synergy of open source is kind of broken, MySQL is open source, but it is mainly ( only ) developed by the company itself, so please dont contribute to the widely missuse of the "open source" concept. Open Source does not mean free, Open Source does not mean anyone is welcomed to contribute code. all projects have rules and what I meant is that Digium right now is too controlling and that's why some programmers have decided to leave asterisk Once again, the rules are not the main problem ( important factor though ), the main problem are the technical differences. and pursue other projects in which they fell more comfortable and can provide code in an easier manner. Good for them!, more options for everyone. What I really have never liked is cases like what happened to unicall, there was no news or announcements, simply , in 1.4 it's not there anymore :) Anton, honestly, this is the part that "rings" into my head. Digium NEVER supported formally the development of Unicall, Unicall was NEVER part of the formal Asterisk release or addons, so it was NEVER there!. Unicall was only Steves project that happens to work with Asterisk. If I write a channel driver, as long as I dont sign and fax a disclaimer to Digium and is accepted, Digium does not have ANY responsibility about my code, in this case Steve's code. Even AFTER this, please execute this: asterisk -vvvr show warranty and if you have the free edition as I suppose you will see a BIG NO WARRANTY If you want more support BUY ( if you havent done already ) Asterisk bussiness/enterprise edition. Kind Regards and Good Look! Moises -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...)
Hi Anton, thank's will be its reply. It would be good for asking for to the Steve that did not abandon this project (unicall and asterisk-1.4.x), in the versions 1.0.9 and 1.2.x when I had problems and always I referred it, aiming at the improvement of channel. It would be a great loss for all. We can make something to help it in the project? I am the disposal to collaborate in that she will be necessary. Best Regards Josué 2007/1/5, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi Josue, as of today at least, Steve Underwood is focusing his efforts into making unicall be the basis for openpbx so will not be devoting more time into unicall and asterisk. This could change maybe but that's what he told me a few days ago. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josué Conti Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:33 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...) Hi All,as good? Steve Underwood will not work more with channel Unicall for the Asterisk? It will be discontinued? Best Regards Josué 2007/1/4, Moises Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 1.2, Zap and Unicall work fine 1.4 Only Zap working, Unicall is broken On 1/4/07, Erick Perez < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question: > So for people using E1 with R2 or PRI as signaling, what are my > options in asterisk 1.4 and 1.2? > > > On 1/4/07, Anton Krall < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well Moises, if you do, please drop me a line and I will gladly test it. > > > > I was mentioning digium because AFAIK, the guys at digium are in touch with > > the programmers and contributors so I thought maybe they would have an > > insight on whats going to happen with unicall on 1.4, I mean, somebody at > > the source should know right? Many people still use unicall so I thought > > somebody would pick up the ball, maybe that's going to be you hopefuly. > > > > Let me know how it goes. > > > > > > > > > > |-Original Message- > > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > > |bounces@ lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Moises Silva > > |Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:22 PM > > |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call > > Announcement...) > > | > > |On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > |> And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now > > supporting > > |openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 > > |> > > |> Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? > > | > > |This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting > > |to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and > > |Digium never distributed Unicall driver. > > | > > |Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this > > |month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make > > |it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. > > | > > |Regards. > > | > > |-- > > |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en > > http://www.gnu.org"; > > |___ > > |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > | > > |asterisk-users mailing list > > |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > > > ___ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > > asterisk-users mailing list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > -- > > Erick Perez > Panama Sistemas > Integradores de Telefonia IP y Soluciones Para Centros de Datos > Panama, Republica de Panama > Cel Panama. +(507) 6694-4780 > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Anton Krall wrote: after all, like you said, it is open source.. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva |At the end, is open source/freesoftware, if you dont like it, nobody |is stopping you from change it. One of the beauties of the open-source development method is certainly the ability for the user to modify the source code independently. Realize, however, that the essense of that independent code modification is also termed as a code fork - particularly if the modified code is maintained long-term and especially if it is redistributed. While I do believe that a light amount of user-experimentation-forking is normally to be expected and is healthy (because it generally will help in getting increased exposure and, in turn, flushing out bugs and such), if you hear the "Don't like it? Fork." mantra too much or too frequently I believe that it is a sign of an unhealthy situation. I hear it all of the time around here - way, way too much, I would think. I think that a healthier scenario would be where the developers (who should actually be listening and care about what users feel, think, and want) would work with the users to find possible avenues to solutions... and if, indeed, a fork is the best way forward - then to do it in a way that is as collaborative as possible. Lee. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
I think you are misunderstanding several points here Moises. I do give Digium a break like you said, thats why you have options, you can use digium cards or sangoma cards, it's up to you, I use digium cards from time to time because I like to support digium in what they are doing. But from the programmers perspective, if some open source software gets too controlled by a company, then the synergy of open source is kind of broken, all projects have rules and what I meant is that Digium right now is too controlling and thats why some programmers have decided to leave asterisk and pursue other projects in which they fell more comfortable and can provide code in an easier manner. What I really have never liked is cases like what happened to unicall, there was no news or announcements, simply , in 1.4 it's not there anymore :) and you had to find out for yourself so, in one hand we have a lot of code control and on the other a lack of communication from programmers, to digium (which controls the code) to us... this also applies for documentation and changes, I know there is a change file but to be honest, sometimes it's not clear enough and you have to go into the code and take a look at what was changed... but this I can live with, after all, like you said, it is open source.. And I just want to say this again, I (and probably some others) am willing to pay some $$ to Steve Underwood if he would consider porting unicall to 1.4 Steve, please come back! :) |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva |Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:41 AM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 | |On 1/5/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good developers |> nto a business that only focuses in $$$? |They are not mutually exclusive. | |> That's why openpbx was born I guess |I dont think so. I think is more because of technical disagreements. | |> For example, samba is still free, and people are making a profit from it by |When does Asterisk stoped being free, sorry but I missed something? :) | |> In any case, I (and maybe some other folks) would definitely pay some $$ to |> Steve is he would consider supporting unicall for 1.4... I've always |> believed that if you make money with something, why not give some to the |> good programmers that made it happen... |Of course. What many buissiness people dont get is that programmers |have to eat ;) |And companies like Intruder and Office Connect are selling services |based on software created by people for free, the least think those |companies can do is support the programmers with money, the same thing |you are getting, right? | | |> probably Digium will end up hiring their own programmers... |There are several programmers that work for Digium, but that does not mean |the project stops being open source ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source ) | |> what is Digium doing 100% right? HW? No, software, used to, but maybe not now, |so? |Sangoma has a much bigger background in electronics, give Digium a |break, they keep working hard on software, and I dont think they are |going to quit, soon or later the software and hardware will get |better. | |> come on guys at Digium, focus... |> open source software was about making something by the community for the |> community, not getting XXX million USD in VC while losing your best |> programmers, the community and the R2MFC market :) |Actually you need to read a little more about the open source term, |and dont use it loosely. | |I think critics are good, eventually will push Digium to do better |software, but Digium is still a company that needs to make money: |money != evil. | |At the end, is open source/freesoftware, if you dont like it, nobody |is stopping you from change it. | |Kind Regards | |-- |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N;LANGUAGE=en-us:Krall;Anton FN:Anton Krall ORG:Intruder Consulting TITLE:A Division of IntruderEnterprises S.A. de C.V. TEL;WORK;VOICE:+52 (55) 5781-5112 x 201 TEL;WORK;VOICE:+52 (55) 5985-2430 x 201 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:0 URL;WORK:http://www.intruder.com.mx EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PHOTO;TYPE=JPEG;ENCODING=BASE64: /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQY GBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYa KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
On 1/5/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good developers nto a business that only focuses in $$$? They are not mutually exclusive. That's why openpbx was born I guess I dont think so. I think is more because of technical disagreements. For example, samba is still free, and people are making a profit from it by When does Asterisk stoped being free, sorry but I missed something? :) In any case, I (and maybe some other folks) would definitely pay some $$ to Steve is he would consider supporting unicall for 1.4... I've always believed that if you make money with something, why not give some to the good programmers that made it happen... Of course. What many buissiness people dont get is that programmers have to eat ;) And companies like Intruder and Office Connect are selling services based on software created by people for free, the least think those companies can do is support the programmers with money, the same thing you are getting, right? probably Digium will end up hiring their own programmers... There are several programmers that work for Digium, but that does not mean the project stops being open source ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source ) what is Digium doing 100% right? HW? No, software, used to, but maybe not now, so? Sangoma has a much bigger background in electronics, give Digium a break, they keep working hard on software, and I dont think they are going to quit, soon or later the software and hardware will get better. come on guys at Digium, focus... open source software was about making something by the community for the community, not getting XXX million USD in VC while losing your best programmers, the community and the R2MFC market :) Actually you need to read a little more about the open source term, and dont use it loosely. I think critics are good, eventually will push Digium to do better software, but Digium is still a company that needs to make money: money != evil. At the end, is open source/freesoftware, if you dont like it, nobody is stopping you from change it. Kind Regards -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...)
Hi Josue, as of today at least, Steve Underwood is focusing his efforts into making unicall be the basis for openpbx so will not be devoting more time into unicall and asterisk. This could change maybe but thats what he told me a few days ago. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josué Conti Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:33 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...) Hi All,as good? Steve Underwood will not work more with channel Unicall for the Asterisk? It will be discontinued? Best Regards Josué 2007/1/4, Moises Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 1.2, Zap and Unicall work fine 1.4 Only Zap working, Unicall is broken On 1/4/07, Erick Perez < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question: > So for people using E1 with R2 or PRI as signaling, what are my > options in asterisk 1.4 and 1.2? > > > On 1/4/07, Anton Krall < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well Moises, if you do, please drop me a line and I will gladly test it. > > > > I was mentioning digium because AFAIK, the guys at digium are in touch with > > the programmers and contributors so I thought maybe they would have an > > insight on whats going to happen with unicall on 1.4, I mean, somebody at > > the source should know right? Many people still use unicall so I thought > > somebody would pick up the ball, maybe that's going to be you hopefuly. > > > > Let me know how it goes. > > > > > > > > > > |-Original Message- > > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > > |bounces@ lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Moises Silva > > |Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:22 PM > > |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call > > Announcement...) > > | > > |On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > |> And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now > > supporting > > |openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 > > |> > > |> Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? > > | > > |This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting > > |to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and > > |Digium never distributed Unicall driver. > > | > > |Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this > > |month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make > > |it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. > > | > > |Regards. > > | > > |-- > > |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en > > http://www.gnu.org"; > > |___ > > |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > | > > |asterisk-users mailing list > > |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > > > ___ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > > asterisk-users mailing list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > -- > > Erick Perez > Panama Sistemas > Integradores de Telefonia IP y Soluciones Para Centros de Datos > Panama, Republica de Panama > Cel Panama. +(507) 6694-4780 > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Couldnt agree with you more Lee. I think its very difficult for a software company to be able to stay focused on developing the software while been profitable, thats why many companies turn to consulting services (Sun), other develop hardware (IBM and OS/2 :)) Digium has been doing a great job with asterisk but like you said, access to the code without hassle was a plus for developers, now, well, they are probably going to turn to some other open source project like openpbx and probably Digium will end up hiring their own programmers and in time, asterisk could stop been an open source project and become a commercial only software. One thing thats interesting is how Digium turned to hardware like the TDM cards for getting money but as of now, Sangoma for example offers a better product (to me at least due to my experience with Digium hardware, timing sources, HW compatibility, etc.) so let me ask the awkward question: what is Digium doing 100% right? HW? No, software, used to, but maybe not now, so? Dont get me wrong, I love asterisk and will stick with 1.2 until something comes along (openpbx goes stable, etc.) but come on guys at Digium, focus... open source software was about making something by the community for the community, not getting XXX million USD in VC while losing your best programmers, the community and the R2MFC market :) |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Howard |Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:14 PM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 | |Anton Krall wrote: | |>This is exactly one of the things that Steve and I discussed a bit ago... |>when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good developers |>into a business that only focuses in $$$? |> |> | |Well, I think that there can be no doubt that there still are some very |good developers working on Asterisk, but yes, I do understand what |you're saying, and I think that we're not the only ones that have |noticed it. In particular I've noticed how the disclaimer requirement is |a sore spot, and as well how impossibly difficult it is for Digium |competitors to get their patches applied to the code base: | |http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=7742 | |>Thats why openpbx was born I guess |> |> | |In part, yes. I think that some of these things are like lead weights to |the Asterisk development process - I think that Steve Underwood |appreciated the unfettered CVS commit access to the OpenPBX repository. |That's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that Asterisk may have been able |to have, itself, possibly. I see Steve's participation in OpenPBX as a |big selling point (i.e. real T.38 gatewaying and actual spandsp |integration). However, there's a lot of momentum behind Asterisk, and |that's compensated somewhat for its lead weights up until now, and |OpenPBX can't seem to get a public release out. | |At Cluecon last year in Chicago anthm told the conference how it was his |belief that it would be better to start from scratch than to fix up all |of the problems with Asterisk like OpenPBX is attempting - and thus we |have FreeSWITCH. | |So there are lots of possibilities out there, and I can only think that |the lead weights in the Asterisk development process will eventually |lead to more issues than with chan_unicall. | |>For example, samba is still free, and people are making a profit from it by |>giving out consulting services for deploying samba.. that is a good working |>scenario asterisk used to be the same can you spell greedy :)? |> |> | |Well, when you sell consulting services for deploying Samba your |business focus is still on the software. If they were selling |Samba-related hardware or were heavily involved in selling Samba-related |things like books and tee-shirts, etc., instead of actually working the |software itself... well, then I think you'd see the same kinds of |problems that you're frustrated with now. It's all too easy for that |business activity to become a conflict of interest when it's not |directly related to the user-experienced software itself. | |Lee. | |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N;LANGUAGE=en-us:Krall;Anton FN:Anton Krall ORG:Intruder Consulting TITLE:A Division of IntruderEnterprises S.A. de C.V. TEL;WORK;VOICE:+52 (55) 5781-5112 x 201 TEL;WORK;VOICE:+52 (55) 5985-2430 x 201 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:0 URL;WORK:http://www.intruder.com.mx EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PHOTO;TYPE=JPEG;ENCODING=BASE64: /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQY
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...)
Hi All,as good? Steve Underwood will not work more with channel Unicall for the Asterisk? It will be discontinued? Best Regards Josué 2007/1/4, Moises Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 1.2, Zap and Unicall work fine 1.4 Only Zap working, Unicall is broken On 1/4/07, Erick Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question: > So for people using E1 with R2 or PRI as signaling, what are my > options in asterisk 1.4 and 1.2? > > > On 1/4/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well Moises, if you do, please drop me a line and I will gladly test it. > > > > I was mentioning digium because AFAIK, the guys at digium are in touch with > > the programmers and contributors so I thought maybe they would have an > > insight on whats going to happen with unicall on 1.4, I mean, somebody at > > the source should know right? Many people still use unicall so I thought > > somebody would pick up the ball, maybe that's going to be you hopefuly. > > > > Let me know how it goes. > > > > > > > > > > |-Original Message- > > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > > |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva > > |Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:22 PM > > |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call > > Announcement...) > > | > > |On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > |> And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now > > supporting > > |openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 > > |> > > |> Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? > > | > > |This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting > > |to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and > > |Digium never distributed Unicall driver. > > | > > |Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this > > |month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make > > |it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. > > | > > |Regards. > > | > > |-- > > |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en > > http://www.gnu.org"; > > |___ > > |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > | > > |asterisk-users mailing list > > |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > > > ___ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > > asterisk-users mailing list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > -- > > Erick Perez > Panama Sistemas > Integradores de Telefonia IP y Soluciones Para Centros de Datos > Panama, Republica de Panama > Cel Panama. +(507) 6694-4780 > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Anton Krall wrote: This is exactly one of the things that Steve and I discussed a bit ago... when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good developers into a business that only focuses in $$$? I imagine that happened around the time they sold their soul to the venture capitalists. 8-) Oddly, I download and install Asterisk for free all the time. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Anton Krall wrote: This is exactly one of the things that Steve and I discussed a bit ago... when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good developers into a business that only focuses in $$$? Well, I think that there can be no doubt that there still are some very good developers working on Asterisk, but yes, I do understand what you're saying, and I think that we're not the only ones that have noticed it. In particular I've noticed how the disclaimer requirement is a sore spot, and as well how impossibly difficult it is for Digium competitors to get their patches applied to the code base: http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=7742 That’s why openpbx was born I guess In part, yes. I think that some of these things are like lead weights to the Asterisk development process - I think that Steve Underwood appreciated the unfettered CVS commit access to the OpenPBX repository. That's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that Asterisk may have been able to have, itself, possibly. I see Steve's participation in OpenPBX as a big selling point (i.e. real T.38 gatewaying and actual spandsp integration). However, there's a lot of momentum behind Asterisk, and that's compensated somewhat for its lead weights up until now, and OpenPBX can't seem to get a public release out. At Cluecon last year in Chicago anthm told the conference how it was his belief that it would be better to start from scratch than to fix up all of the problems with Asterisk like OpenPBX is attempting - and thus we have FreeSWITCH. So there are lots of possibilities out there, and I can only think that the lead weights in the Asterisk development process will eventually lead to more issues than with chan_unicall. For example, samba is still free, and people are making a profit from it by giving out consulting services for deploying samba.. that is a good working scenario asterisk used to be the same can you spell greedy :)? Well, when you sell consulting services for deploying Samba your business focus is still on the software. If they were selling Samba-related hardware or were heavily involved in selling Samba-related things like books and tee-shirts, etc., instead of actually working the software itself... well, then I think you'd see the same kinds of problems that you're frustrated with now. It's all too easy for that business activity to become a conflict of interest when it's not directly related to the user-experienced software itself. Lee. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
This is exactly one of the things that Steve and I discussed a bit ago... when did asterisk turn from an open source project with very good developers into a business that only focuses in $$$? Thats why openpbx was born I guess For example, samba is still free, and people are making a profit from it by giving out consulting services for deploying samba.. that is a good working scenario asterisk used to be the same can you spell greedy :)? In any case, I (and maybe some other folks) would definitely pay some $$ to Steve is he would consider supporting unicall for 1.4... I've always believed that if you make money with something, why not give some to the good programmers that made it happen... Just my $0.02 |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Howard |Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:48 PM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 | |Barzilai Spinak wrote: | |> 2) Why is it that Digium never gave a damn about E1/MFC/R2... | | |My guess would be because they don't have any E1/MFC/R2 hardware |products to market. | |Lee. |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N;LANGUAGE=en-us:Krall;Anton FN:Anton Krall ORG:Intruder Consulting TITLE:A Division of IntruderEnterprises S.A. de C.V. TEL;WORK;VOICE:+52 (55) 5781-5112 x 201 TEL;WORK;VOICE:+52 (55) 5985-2430 x 201 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:0 URL;WORK:http://www.intruder.com.mx EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PHOTO;TYPE=JPEG;ENCODING=BASE64: /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQY GBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYa KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCj/wAAR CAAXAEgDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk NOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6goOE hYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4uPk 5ebn6Onq8vP09fb3+Pn6/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwDI8HeCb3xFHJclhb2MY+adumfQDua62b4Q iBGluNWEcOPlZreQZJ/4DXS/DAXn/CBxS6fArXscc5gbPOflGfrgmun8NNfr4dt5vESs2oG2 lRNxy7ZZcYHryfwzXo4nGVouTi0knY+ew+CoyhHmV21e58/XvhaWz1XWLGZpC+n27TkxoGBw QOckYHPXn6VFdeDdftbV7i4050iRFkbMiblRsYYrnIXkc4xXWeJNRFp408Xosc9217YyW6mF d20llO5vQDFUdQ8TxT6pr2pi0vBaalpqafCzLwHEcanJzjGUbpXoxqVGk/66HnzpUU2n3f6/ 8D7zO1D4f67bao9lbQJdukEdw7xyKFRXAPJJ4wTjJ9M9Kxl0DVHu7a1Wzcz3MJuIUBHzxgMS w56YVj+FdnrevxXMesW8FjqaX2oaba27RPDjyzDsBPXJUhOuO9LpPijRoDo+p3UOp/bNP017 ARxxqYmyroH3k5/j6Y696FUqct2v6t/mEqNFysnZf8H07amJ4Z8CarrU1o0sRtbK4jeVZmZS 2xVJ3CMsGKkjGcY5rNs/CutXmmrfW1i727Kzod6hnVfvMqE7mA55ANdvYa7psOraXq9/b6ol /YW/9lNBEiGFpVRkBD7hjg5K4696bpnjOC30XSrqSC9huNNtjZqYrOFkkYbtpEzAsn3uQAf1 pOpVvov61/4BSo0LJN/1p/wdNzg9Q0DU9P0221C9tWhtLkBoXZl+cEZBAznGO+KKveM9Qa/b Rw1vcQfZtOhtsTLt3Fc5ZfbNFdEG2rs46qjGVo7Gh4Z8e3uhaetpHbW9wiZ8syru2Z64BrRn +KmqPaslva2ttcFCnnxIFYA9en86KKyeGpSlzOKuaRxdaK5VLQ4qHVLiOaeRisrTDD+YM8g5 B+oIpG1KdtPSzITy0xhsfMQCzAfTLMfxoorblRjzPuWItevY74XeY2l2svK8EM5c5APPzMeO nY8VX/tGb+zjZbY/LJ+9t+bGc4z6Zooo5UHPLuOOq3JnMx2eYbn7Xnb0fOfyqP8AtCf7IbbK +Ue2OfvBv5iiijlQcz7ljXNUGqSwuIBDsVt2GzuZmLM34k0UUU0klZClJyd2f//Z X-MS-OL-DESIGN;CHARSET=utf-8:http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/outlook/12/electronicbusinesscards"; ver="1.0" layout="top" bgcolor="ff">WorkWorkEmail & MSN: Web: REV:20061218T091156Z END:VCARD ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
> 2) Why is it that Digium never gave a damn about E1/MFC/R2... Hu? then I must have been hallucinating the last 2 years working E1 with Digiums hardware? My guess would be because they don't have any E1/MFC/R2 hardware products to market. Lee. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Barzilai Spinak wrote: 2) Why is it that Digium never gave a damn about E1/MFC/R2... My guess would be because they don't have any E1/MFC/R2 hardware products to market. Lee. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
On 1/4/07, Barzilai Spinak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: libmfcr2 depends on spandsp (DSP processing), and libunicall (call management). The part that *actually* interfaces with Asterisk is the "chan_unicall". Right, Unicall aims to be abstract from the telephony engine and signaling, so actually you can use unicall with other telephony engine, like YATE or FreeSwitch, just writting the proper top layer, in this case, chan_unicall. And you can use a different signaling writting the proper signaling driver ( like libmfcr2 ) So, *I think* there's no need to maintain and adapt the full stack, but only the "chan_unicall" because MAYBE the Asterisk channel API changed (a little, a lot???) from 1.2.x to 1.4.x. Once again, right, the channel API changed so I guess is not difficult to port it, just nobody has had the time/skills Maybe a little debugging of libmfcr2 also... libmfcr2 never knows a thing about Asterisk, so were ok here. With enough time I could help, but I'm trying to move away from telephony right now... I have other projects and areas of interest... Me too. So, I suggest to the interested parties to wait for someone with enough time, or place a bounty on voip-info.org and notify asterisk-dev and asterisk-users about the bounty, money tends to bring interested developers :) Now, the two unanswered questions: 1) Why is Steve stopping support for Asterisk? I understand he may be fed up with Asterisk... but probably he can fix it or half-fix it for 1.4 in a couple of days, then the rest of us can debug it. Once again, he is doing this for FREE and many people is making profit from it. Place a nice bounty, and may be you can get stever underwood ( or someone else) fixing this 2) Why is it that Digium never gave a damn about E1/MFC/R2 and we have to use these hybrid combinations of libraries? Im just guessing, but may be most of Digium clients are in USA so they focus on libpri. Regards Moises Silva BarZ Moises Silva wrote: > On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is >> now supporting openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on >> asterisk 1.4 >> >> Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? > > This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting > to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and > Digium never distributed Unicall driver. > > Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this > month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make > it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. > > Regards. > ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
Last week I spent a couple of nights understanding and modifying libmfcr2. After a few hours, the almost comment-free code starts to make sense (although I would have done many things differently). As far as I understand it, most (affected/complaining) people are mostly interested in the MFC/R2 aspect of Underwood's libraries so they can have their R2 E1 cards working under Asterisk. This is most of the world (not just third world countries). libmfcr2 depends on spandsp (DSP processing), and libunicall (call management). The part that *actually* interfaces with Asterisk is the "chan_unicall". So, *I think* there's no need to maintain and adapt the full stack, but only the "chan_unicall" because MAYBE the Asterisk channel API changed (a little, a lot???) from 1.2.x to 1.4.x. Maybe a little debugging of libmfcr2 also... With enough time I could help, but I'm trying to move away from telephony right now... I have other projects and areas of interest... Now, the two unanswered questions: 1) Why is Steve stopping support for Asterisk? I understand he may be fed up with Asterisk... but probably he can fix it or half-fix it for 1.4 in a couple of days, then the rest of us can debug it. 2) Why is it that Digium never gave a damn about E1/MFC/R2 and we have to use these hybrid combinations of libraries? BarZ Moises Silva wrote: On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now supporting openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and Digium never distributed Unicall driver. Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. Regards. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...)
1.2, Zap and Unicall work fine 1.4 Only Zap working, Unicall is broken On 1/4/07, Erick Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Question: So for people using E1 with R2 or PRI as signaling, what are my options in asterisk 1.4 and 1.2? On 1/4/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well Moises, if you do, please drop me a line and I will gladly test it. > > I was mentioning digium because AFAIK, the guys at digium are in touch with > the programmers and contributors so I thought maybe they would have an > insight on whats going to happen with unicall on 1.4, I mean, somebody at > the source should know right? Many people still use unicall so I thought > somebody would pick up the ball, maybe that's going to be you hopefuly. > > Let me know how it goes. > > > > > |-Original Message- > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva > |Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:22 PM > |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call > Announcement...) > | > |On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > |> And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now > supporting > |openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 > |> > |> Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? > | > |This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting > |to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and > |Digium never distributed Unicall driver. > | > |Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this > |month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make > |it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. > | > |Regards. > | > |-- > |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en > http://www.gnu.org"; > |___ > |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > | > |asterisk-users mailing list > |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- Erick Perez Panama Sistemas Integradores de Telefonia IP y Soluciones Para Centros de Datos Panama, Republica de Panama Cel Panama. +(507) 6694-4780 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4
On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 17:20 -0500, Erick Perez wrote: > Question: > So for people using E1 with R2 or PRI as signaling, what are my > options in asterisk 1.4 and 1.2? > > Basically, you can use R2 in any 1.2.X release. At this moment there is no way to use R2 with Asterisk 1.4 unless you are willing to buy an R2 Converter for around $2,500 USD. This means the Asterisk market in most third world nations will shrink and maybe disappear because you will only be able to use analog trunks. I am not a programmer and do not know what it would take to get Unicall working on 1.4 so unless some really bright guy (like Steve Underwood) decides to take it up again we are screwed. -- Telecomunicaciones Abiertas de Mexico S.A. de C.V. Carlos Chàvez Prats Director de Tecnologìa +52-55-91169161 ext 2001 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...)
Question: So for people using E1 with R2 or PRI as signaling, what are my options in asterisk 1.4 and 1.2? On 1/4/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well Moises, if you do, please drop me a line and I will gladly test it. I was mentioning digium because AFAIK, the guys at digium are in touch with the programmers and contributors so I thought maybe they would have an insight on whats going to happen with unicall on 1.4, I mean, somebody at the source should know right? Many people still use unicall so I thought somebody would pick up the ball, maybe that's going to be you hopefuly. Let me know how it goes. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva |Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:22 PM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...) | |On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now supporting |openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 |> |> Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? | |This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting |to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and |Digium never distributed Unicall driver. | |Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this |month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make |it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. | |Regards. | |-- |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Erick Perez Panama Sistemas Integradores de Telefonia IP y Soluciones Para Centros de Datos Panama, Republica de Panama Cel Panama. +(507) 6694-4780 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...)
Well Moises, if you do, please drop me a line and I will gladly test it. I was mentioning digium because AFAIK, the guys at digium are in touch with the programmers and contributors so I thought maybe they would have an insight on whats going to happen with unicall on 1.4, I mean, somebody at the source should know right? Many people still use unicall so I thought somebody would pick up the ball, maybe thats going to be you hopefuly. Let me know how it goes. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moises Silva |Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:22 PM |To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion |Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...) | |On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now supporting |openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 |> |> Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? | |This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting |to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and |Digium never distributed Unicall driver. | |Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this |month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make |it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. | |Regards. | |-- |"Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; |___ |--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- | |asterisk-users mailing list |To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: | http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] no unicall on 1.4 (was: OnHook Call Announcement...)
On 1/3/07, Anton Krall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And probably wont be as Steve Underwood explained to me that he is now supporting openpbx and has stopped support for unicall on asterisk 1.4 Can anybody at digium confirm? Is unicall going to be left out of 1.4? This has nothing to do with Digium, it has to do with anybody wanting to code the version for 1.4, AFAIK Steve never worked for Digium and Digium never distributed Unicall driver. Porting Unicall to 1.4 is in my TODO since 1 month ago, may be this month I will have the time to give a look at the code and try to make it work on 1.4, if somebody else cant do it before. Regards. -- "Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org"; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
