Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi hey, have you tried eloquence brittish english?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147431#p147431 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Yes Ive heard eloquences attempt at an english accent, but it just sounds totally false with the way it pronounces vowels and ends words, that combined with the robotic nature of the thing really puts me off elouqence as a synth generally, although I will agree at higher speeds it is one of the synths that can remain clear.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147435#p147435 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi @Dark [[wow]]! Good thing weve got choices, eh? The natural Orpheus voices always pained me; they sounded like the speaker was being horribly spliced together, which made me feel very uncomfortable, sort of like because they must have a permanent air passage obstruction or something. Ugh.Can I take it this means you really, really dislike eSpeak? It has by far the fastest response time of any of them, I find. Youre definitely right that Orpheus was very good on English pronunciation and, being natively British, were less annoyingly constrained by American English language rules.Also as a general point, we learn that JAWS 15 includes Vocaliser Expressive. These are of course locked to JAWS, but are apparently not that much more snappy than RealSpeak Direct. The cynic in me is tempted to conclude that this is not true, but that this was the only way to justify the JAWS 14 upgrade of the time, because not to do so would be a clear indication that FS voice locking provided absolutely no benefits whatsoever. But its a moot point anyway, because its not optional for JAWS 15; the new Vocaliser voices are required if you want RealSpeak.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147437#p147437 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Well Sebby all this is preference of course to a greater or lesser extent. For me as I said, orphius human voices, and alan in particular was always the best compromise between the various needed factors, pronunciation, speed, comprehensive speech and not grating on the ear, which should likely say why I am not an espeak fan . Im can sort of see what you mean about the speaker mangling when applied to carrol, which is a little high and squeaky, but Alan I never had a problem with and indeed would be using it now if orphius hadnt crashed on me for some reason.I hope supernova doesnt switch to the upgraded vocaliser, since with orphius buggered all my choices would be bad at that point. And at least while the vocalizer version of Daniel isnt quite as quick as orphius, it is quick enough to actually keep up with the speed I type. In terms of english, it seemed the eloquence english accent fell fowl of the same sort of trouble that americans often fall into when trying to immitate English accents, over long and far too naisal vowls that dont use resonance, dipthongs not properly ended, consonants far too sharp, plus the weerd alteration in tone after each word.Btw, a couple of years ago at music school when i was singing through why god why from miss Sigon, I got the chance to do this the other way, though I was quite pleased that after some coaching from a very experienced American alto I got my accent right, particularly on the word vietnam which has a very specific military pronunciation.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147442#p147442 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi I had a previous version of Speechhub on my Dell laptop under NVDA, and those voices are not bad at all according to my tastebuds. Some of them do stutter a bit and tend to lock up from time to time, but other than that theyre pretty good. It says on the Speechhub website that the Speech Platform voices from Microsoft are now available in Speechhub on Windows 7 and above. I actually installed individual copies of the Speech Platform voices though, and theyre great. Sometimes the punctuation is a bit off but still I liked them.crashmaster wrote:Hi.I aggree with tom.the cheapest sapi synths out there are the dectalk 5 sapi which is basically the old dectalk/ eloquence system and the orpheus 3 system which is argued to be quite bad.I am not sure about other voices but I know for a fact that somewhere on nvaccess.org is a link to get ivona.true its 30 or so for a voice, and about 100 for a language pack but you do donate a percentage to nvda and they are supposed to be good.It all depends what you want sapi for.for reading and games maybe some high quality voices.I was fortunate to aquire the jaws8 sapi disk from a friend who sent me the disk image and there is a 64 installer patch tom made for the realspeak system.otherwise I wouldnt have bought any sapi voices really.I think its something like 50 bucks to get vocaliser for nvda if thats all you want.You can buy voices for jaws well I think some of those are locked to jaws and are free to download.hal sertainly uses vocaliser 5 and all you need to do is download all demos you want extract them and copy the right folders over however they are locked to the readers.Eventually I will probably buy some, however the only time I use any high quality voices for anything, is when I game.I have grown up on the robotic keynote gold then eloquence then orpheus1.S o for me espeak is not much of a jump from eloquence really or maybe I get used to it who knows.Its better than it used to be and for a free voice bar its roboticness its quite clear.Actually not that I have tried it but if you install sapi4 in win7 you can run the sapi4 voices but thats really old.the old ms voice engines were the only really good ones that and the lh3000 uk english the us one sucks.if you can get an old version of home page reader it is possible to run the viavoice installers.and these are full, however thats sapi4 and the routeens to uninstall and sometimes install are not always functioning right.Finally there is a way to get eloquence for sapi4 legally well semi legally.you need a cd of window eyes or an image of one.there are eloquence folders and once you load the coman module, and any language modules you want then in theory you should get speech but thats strictly sapi4.window eyes is the only reader I k now which is not serial or activation locked which is why you can actively just either get or download a disk image presuming you know where to get it.every other person has locked their software.Its a pitty that you cant get just voices though dolphin who make supernova have on their price lists extra voices 2 for 85 bucks a disk but then who knows if they are actually locked or not.Since I have a friends disk backed up all over my offline storage thats all I have really needed.If you are wanting to buy Id try ivona and accapella first, accapella is linked to bookshare so its possible you could get donations to them that way who knows.ivona is nvda and klango supported, and I plan to either get ivona or accapella at some point pluss ivona is supposed to be 64 bit but then everyone else should be able to.Finally there are low quality lh voices that come with office xp and higher I assume.however they are quite small about t hemselves.However, moving slightly away from sapi maybe its time games should support the speech platform system.I am not sure about others but win8 has it 7 and xp have ports though some voices do stutter.speech platform is the sapi replacement and ms have good quality voices for that.these are free and may be the way foreward for someone that wants a free voice.the only other freeish sapi voice is the modeltalker app though outside of the app the sapi voice is slightly machined, its your own voice you need to make it yourself upload it and get it converted and sent back to you but I have not tried to even do this.at least not for ages and I mean ages.If its readers you are wanting like nvda, you may want to just avoid sapi all together and get speech platform, or speechhub.speechhub is an opensource engine using many speech engines at once, so I guess you could concider it a speech engine frontend interface.its supposed t o be good but I have not bothered with addons for a couple years mainly because my admin work means I need to run the base stable builds of nvda all the time without the extra aids and there are other things to.The issue I have with espeak is that most of the voices in particularly the female voices sound like someone is
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi I believe the best voices can be found at:http://www.cereproc.com/storeI like them so much that I do everything with the one I bought (Ive only bought one so far). I use it with jaws, books, gaming, everything.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147212#p147212 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Moderation! this isnt directly about games so Im moving it to the offtopic room. Myself, ive never been an eloquence fan, mostly because i have always used orphius voices. Their synthetic ones are very horrible, but the human sounding voices released in orphius two such as alan, carrol, Brad and lcy I was always a fan of since to me they always seemed the ideal bridge between speed and functionality, and reasonably clear sound quality. Orphius pronunciationalso always seemed pretty spot on, indeed orphius is the only synth I know that can pronounce Middle earth names like Theoden or karadhras correctly. Sadly though, orphius and sapi have never cooperated very well, so originally when i started on jim kitchins games I was stuck with microsoft sam, which was hilarious! I tried mike and mary, but just couldnt get them to install correctly for a while, though it did lead to a point when my friends and I, after playing jims game of life kept saying but you dnt! to emulate the wonderfully robotic way that ms sam used to say you can play the markit if you own stock, but you daaant! . Microsoft mike was something of a releaf after that, (for some reason Im not a fan of female synths, so mike was always my choice over mary). then in about 2008 I acquired a copy of scansoft daniel which Ive used since then I like daniel as a voice, its easy to listen to and works well, the only thing that narks me is the stupidity with abreviations, since I dont particularly like playing a mud and being told I have 100 hp, 50 mp, and 30 street because daniel is too stupid to know that st means staminer points, similarly, what the heck is manuscript sapi? I dont find daniels pronunciation of unusual words or fant asy names half up to that of orphius, but in place of the various robotic alternatives from microsoft I dont mind, and it is great on rythm for reading descriptions in interactive fiction games, gamebooks etc.having used daniel in sapi games and if for years, I had no problem with using him on the iphone, which is good since the iphone doesnt have a choice :d.The only problem Ive got at the moment is that orphius has conked out on me completely, so that I cant even select it with supernova. This is very annoying, since it leaves me with the alternatives of either vocalizer, aka, supernovas proprietary scansoft daniel, or eloquence. Thankfully, the rather nasty lag in speech time and responsiveness that supernova once had with scansoft daniel seems to have been nicely ironed out, so now it can! keep up with my typing speed. The only irritating thing is that this means I have Daniel on everything! my phone, Hal and sapi, and while this isnt a bad thing as such, I would like supernova and Sapi to have different voices since on the occasions when both need to speak at the same time, like say when Im playing an audio game and flick out of the window and lip hal on to check my mail, but the game speaks, it can b a trifle confusing, still, since the alternatives Ive got are either using eloquence with supernova, or sam, mike or mary with sapi, I dont really have a choice unless I want to shell out for another high quality sapi voice, failing being able to fix orphius and have alan back of course.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147233#p147233 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Moderation! this isnt directly about games so Im moving it to the offtopic room. Myself, ive never been an eloquence fan, mostly because i have always used orphius voices. Their synthetic ones are very horrible, but the human sounding voices released in orphius two such as alan, carrol, Brad and lcy I was always a fan of since to me they always seemed the ideal bridge between speed and functionality, and reasonably clear sound quality. Orphius pronunciationalso always seemed pretty spot on, indeed orphius is the only synth I know that can pronounce Middle earth names like Theoden or karadhras correctly. Sadly though, orphius and sapi have never cooperated very well, so originally when i started on jim kitchins games I was stuck with microsoft sam, which was hilarious! I tried mike and mary, but just couldnt get them to install correctly for a while, though it did lead to a point when my friends and I, after playing jims game of life kept saying but you dnt! to emulate the wonderfully robotic way that ms sam used to say you can play the markit if you own stock, but you daaant! . Microsoft mike was something of a releaf after that, (for some reason Im not a fan of female synths, so mike was always my choice over mary). then in about 2008 I acquired a copy of scansoft daniel which Ive used since then I like daniel as a voice, its easy to listen to and works well, the only thing that narks me is the stupidity with abreviations, since I dont particularly like playing a mud and being told I have 100 hp, 50 mp, and 30 street because daniel is too stupid to know that st means staminer points, similarly, what the heck is manuscript sapi? I dont find daniels pronunciation of unusual words or fant asy names half up to that of orphius, but in place of the various robotic alternatives from microsoft I dont mind, and it is great on rythm for reading descriptions in interactive fiction games, gamebooks etc.having used daniel in sapi games and if for years, I had no problem with using him on the iphone, which is good since the iphone doesnt have a choice :d.The only problem Ive got at the moment is that orphius has conked out on me completely, so that I cant even select it with supernova. This is very annoying, since it leaves me with the alternatives of either vocalizer, aka, supernovas proprietary scansoft daniel, or eloquence. Thankfully, the rather nasty lag in speech time and responsiveness that supernova once had with scansoft daniel seems to have been nicely ironed out, so now it can! keep up with my typing speed. The only irritating thing is that this means I have Daniel on everything! my phone, Hal and sapi, and while this isnt a bad thing as such, I would like supernova and Sapi to have different voices since on the occasions when both need to speak at the same time, like say when Im playing an audio game and flick out of the window and lip hal on to check my mail, but the game speaks, it can b a trifle confusing, still, since the alternatives Ive got are either using eloquence with supernova, or sam, mike or mary with sapi, I dont really have a choice unless I want to shell out for another high quality sapi voice, failing being able to fix orphius and have alan back of course.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147233#p147233 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Herrylst, Ive purchased a couple of the Cereproc voices and while they sound good I have found them to be too choppy for general use. Plus the last time I looked they didnt have a 64-bit version which is a drawback if a person is running a new 64-bit PC and OS.Dark, I know what you mean by the Vocalizer version of Daniel etc, and while it bums me out they are now locked to screen readers I recently got the Vocalizer voices for NVDA 2013.2, and I can say they are fairly responsive. Especially, if you dont use the ultra high quality version. They are more responsive than the SAPI 5 version I got with Jaws 8 or 9. Although, I do have Daniel I am rather partial to female voices and really like Vocalizer Allison which is one of the best female voices I have ever used with a screen reader. When I am not using Espeak I generally use Vocalizer Allison.URL: http://forum.audiogames.n et/viewtopic.php?pid=147237#p147237 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi they work on my windows 7 64bit machine.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147242#p147242 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Dark: interesting, the human voices in Orpheus 2 always killed me. Perhaps I just need to get used to them, but the synthetic voices were more fluid for me. As Ive said though, Orpheus 1 provided the inflection I really craved for.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147264#p147264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Whoa, wait a minute. Thats a massive infodump.You say DECTalk and Eloquence are available, yes? Eloquence I can agree with; I have Window-Eyes and hence the SAPI 4 synthesisers, but not SAPI5.The AGRIP project provides working SAPI4 synthesisers for XP and up of all the old Microsoft voices. Sadly Microsofts licenses mean that you have to figure out how to install these yourself. (Its not hard )Whats this wrapper for RealSpeak of which you speak? I have the voices from JAWS 8 which I purchased.Im always delighted by the progress of Natural-sounding voices, but the obsession pisses me off. So what if its natural-sounding? If it isnt accurate, its a dead loss, and thats the end of it. It is, indeed, one of the less fortunate things about moving over to the Mac.Speaking of which, it ;s probably not such a great idea to actually distribute anything you dont have the rights to. So advising people to pirate is, er, dodgy, unless you know someone trustworthy. My advice is generally dont do it, obviously.I miss Keynote Gold, but HumanWare are still evil, as PulseData before. Im sorry but I dont believe eSpeak compares to either Keynote or Eloquence, good though it is.Orpheus isnt free. The SAPI bridge isnt the best, but it works. But, IMO, Orpheus 1 was better than Orpheus 2 anyway, so never mind. I have both; fortunately I still have Hal 5 lying around somewhere to install Orpheus 1, which later versions of Hal will then work with, via SAM. But this is not SAPI.I actually dont like Ivona and cant understand what the fuss is all about.Nextup will sell you some questionable stuff. Check carefully to make sure you arent getting locked voices.A source of Neospeech was Kurzweil 1000 , if you had that. Some magic is required to make the second disc install without the first. I remember reverse-engineering it once; you had to set a registry keep that pointed to a copy of the K1000 executable, which had to be of the correct size even if it wasnt actually the K1000 executable. Fun times. Cheers,SabahattinURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147099#p147099 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Hi.keynote gold? Yuck, keynote gold is terrible. Its worse than ESpeak or eloquence. As for SAPI voices, you can use sapi 4, though it will only work with screen readers really now.I wonder if the SAPI voices for Windows 8 can be downloaded for older windows? I actually want David, Hazel, and Zera on Windows XP as SAPI 5 versions. I dont see why they wouldnt distribute it, as Ive got ANNA on XP. Oh, Anna, a total piece of crap.Anyway yeah if it is possible to get the Windows 8 voices as sapi 5 for older windows where can I get them?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147104#p147104 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi @Chris: each to his own, I guess. eSpeak irritates me way more than Keynote; I can actually play IF with the latter, whereas the former is just never in character no matter what you do with it. The other great thing about Keynote is that it helps you avoid many typos; I think this is because it has many words, including many exotic wordw with unusual pronunciation rules, in a built-in dictionary. This probably explains why the Language Master uses speech technology from which Keynote derives (Berkeley TTS).URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147106#p147106 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi @Chris: each to his own, I guess. eSpeak irritates me way more than Keynote; I can actually play IF with the latter, whereas the former is just never in character no matter what you do with it. The other great thing about Keynote is that it helps you avoid many typos; I think this is because it has many words, including many exotic words with unusual pronunciation rules, in a built-in dictionary. This probably explains why the Language Master uses speech technology from which Keynote derives (Berkeley TTS).URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147106#p147106 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Hi.keynote gold? Yuck, keynote gold is terrible. Its worse than ESpeak or eloquence. As for SAPI voices, you can use sapi 4, though it will only work with screen readers really now.I wonder if the SAPI voices for Windows 8 can be downloaded for older windows? I actually want David, Hazel, and Zera on Windows XP as SAPI 5 versions. I dont see why they wouldnt distribute it, as Ive got ANNA on XP. Oh, Anna, a total piece of crap.Anyway yeah if it is possible to get the Windows 8 voices as sapi 5 for older windows where can I get them?edit: Yes, you can get LH Michael and Michelle if you have Office 2003. Im not sure if office 2003 works on Windows 7 or not but yeah if you do the full install you will get the SAPI Voices which arent the greatest but sound better than AnnaURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147104#p147104 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi @Sebby, a while back I created a 64-bit setup-installer which allows you to install the Realspeak voices from your Jaws 8 CD on a newer Windows 7 and Windows 8 64-bit machine. I created the new setup, because I purchased those voices as part of a Jaws and Openbook upgrade, but their installer would bomb out on 64-bit systems. So I fixed it by creating a new one and passed it out on the Audyssey list for people in a similar situation. However, I did so in a way that does not violate the license, because my installer is only a patch for the CD and doesnt actually contain the voices in the setup files.@Chris, none of the voices that come with Windows 8 and SAPI 5.5 are available for Windows 7 as far as I am aware of unless they are in the Windows 8 Platform SDK. I am afraid to say if you want David, Hazel, etc then you need to pay for them buy upgrading to Windows 8 which in some respects is a good thing. The voices are really and truly better.@Chrashmaster, AKA Shaun, again this is a case of very poorly bad research. The Vocalizer voices for NVDA, which do not work with games, is $99. Last time I checked the Ivona voices are $45 per voice unless you buy them together in a language pack. For the love of heaven would you actually check your facts before blabbing your utter garbage on list. I am not saying this to be rude, but you dont sound very intelligent to me or anyone else when you spew such false and baseless information on the forum and everywhere else you go.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147111#p147111 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi One question, how do you get espeak to work with sapi 5? Im thinking of using it for reading my textbooks which can only be done with sapi at this point.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147117#p147117 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi You can grab the latest stable from:http://espeak.sourceforge.net/download.htmlAnd read the read me inside the archive.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147119#p147119 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi @Singing Butterfly, not really. Thing you need to understand is there arent all that many totally free Sapi voices out there for Windows 7, and the few that are out there such as ESpeak are very robotic. The fact of the matter is if you want something superior to Anna such as the Ivona voices or something like that you are going to have to pay for them. There are no really good free Sapi voices for Windows 7.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147036#p147036 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] Sapi
Re: Sapi Hi.I aggree with tom.the cheapest sapi synths out there are the dectalk 5 sapi which is basically the old dectalk/ eloquence system and the orpheus 3 system which is argued to be quite bad.I am not sure about other voices but I know for a fact that somewhere on nvaccess.org is a link to get ivona.true its 30 or so for a voice, and about 100 for a language pack but you do donate a percentage to nvda and they are supposed to be good.It all depends what you want sapi for.for reading and games maybe some high quality voices.I was fortunate to aquire the jaws8 sapi disk from a friend who sent me the disk image and there is a 64 installer patch tom made for the realspeak system.otherwise I wouldnt have bought any sapi voices really.I think its something like 50 bucks to get vocaliser for nvda if thats all you want.You can buy voices for jaws well I think some of those are locked to jaws and are free to download.hal sertainly uses vocaliser 5 and all you need to do is download all demos you want extract them and copy the right folders over however they are locked to the readers.Eventually I will probably buy some, however the only time I use any high quality voices for anything, is when I game.I have grown up on the robotic keynote gold then eloquence then orpheus1.So for me espeak is not much of a jump from eloquence really or maybe I get used to it who knows.Its better than it used to be and for a free voice bar its roboticness its quite clear.Actually not that I have tried it but if you install sapi4 in win7 you can run the sapi4 voices but thats really old.the old ms voice engines were the only really good ones that and the lh3000 uk english the us one sucks.if you can get an old version of home page reader it is possible to run the viavoice installers.and these are full, however thats sapi4 and the routeens to uninstall and sometimes in stall are not always functioning right.Finally there is a way to get eloquence for sapi4 legally well semi legally.you need a cd of window eyes or an image of one.there are eloquence folders and once you load the coman module, and any language modules you want then in theory you should get speech but thats strictly sapi4.window eyes is the only reader I know which is not serial or activation locked which is why you can actively just either get or download a disk image presuming you know where to get it.every other person has locked their software.Its a pitty that you cant get just voices though dolphin who make supernova have on their price lists extra voices 2 for 85 bucks a disk but then who knows if they are actually locked or not.Since I have a friends disk backed up all over my offline storage thats all I have really needed.If you are wanting to buy Id try ivona and accapella first, accapella is linked to booksha re so its possible you could get donations to them that way who knows.ivona is nvda and klango supported, and I plan to either get ivona or accapella at some point pluss ivona is supposed to be 64 bit but then everyone else should be able to.Finally there are low quality lh voices that come with office xp and higher I assume.however they are quite small about themselves.However, moving slightly away from sapi maybe its time games should support the speech platform system.I am not sure about others but win8 has it 7 and xp have ports though some voices do stutter.speech platform is the sapi replacement and ms have good quality voices for that.these are free and may be the way foreward for someone that wants a free voice.the only other freeish sapi voice is the modeltalker app though outside of the app the sapi voice is slightly machined, its your own voice you need to make it yourself upload it and get it converted and sent back t o you but I have not tried to even do this.at least not for ages and I mean ages.If its readers you are wanting like nvda, you may want to just avoid sapi all together and get speech platform, or speechhub.speechhub is an opensource engine using many speech engines at once, so I guess you could concider it a speech engine frontend interface.its supposed to be good but I have not bothered with addons for a couple years mainly because my admin work means I need to run the base stable builds of nvda all the time without the extra aids and there are other things to.The issue I have with espeak is that most of the voices in particularly the female voices sound like someone is talking down a nose cold through a lead pipe but the male voices the default one especially are not to bad.neither is male3 which is almost eloquence.One thing with espeak is that its mainly designed for headphones and or big speakers.if you have small speakers then fo rget it.if you are a user that reads plays a lot etc then this is not worth your wile.its crappy robotic and quite stupid.If you are an admin like myself the voice especially in the nvda system is small lightweight and needs no external files bar its own data and library.I can even run it
