Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @78 BAck to what I said about "shit does happen." Its not your fault to the degree where no one should give a shit and by all means you should defend yourself and prove that you were jacked without permission. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554181/#p554181 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I mean, I could be talking out of my ass here, but if I don't get an LLC for my music business, even if I have the name first, and someone else copies it and gets an LLC after I had the name but didn't get one, I can't really do jack and shit about it, rite? I didn't register the LLC, or register for copyright.Why does using someone else's code have to equal stolen 100% of the time. If I don't want my shit stolen, I won't let it leak. Yeah I get shit happens but with the amount of times the phrase "stolen code" gets thrown around on here, either people are just looking to get up in arms about shit (probably some of it), or people really need to up their security for real.IF someone puts their code out there and I borrow from it, we're supposed to be a community, I'd give them credit for part of the code. I think that's fair. Even if there's no monetary compensation we both still benefit. But unless it can be proven that code was stolen, all this "stolen code" shit is just people shooting at imaginary targets because they're mad that some kid is eager to get feedback and writes an admittedly generic game.We all start somewhere, don't we?I'm not a programmer, I do music, Hip-Hop music at that, and anyone who knows Hip-Hop knows that taking pieces of other recordings and re-arranging them into new compositions is a key aspect of the culture. Same with dance music. Even outside of sample-based music, I don't think there's any such thing as 100% original, because everyone's inspired by something. The trick is to take bits of your inspirations, and take what you took from them to the next level, which is innovation.But if I was a dev on here, and I was trying to do a serious project, a game that I'm gonna put hours upon hours of effort into and release to the general public, first and foremost, it would be a paid game (not $60 AAA paid but still), and I would get the business rite. And I hate business, I hate politics. But its necessary. Its necessary to avoid getting screwed,Alright, rant over.Another quick point. If we encouraged people to learn from others than people wouldn't feel the need to hide the fact that they may have borrowed from someone else's code. If you do that here, now its like you get thrown down a flight of spiked stairs. Lots of the people on here are kids. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554179/#p554179 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I mean, if i lock my door 9 days out of 10, but forget to on the 10th day, does that mean you can walk right in and take whatever you want? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554180/#p554180 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I mean, I could be talking out of my ass here, but if I don't get an LLC for my music business, even if I have the name first, and someone else copies it and gets an LLC after I had the name but didn't get one, I can't really do jack and shit about it, rite? I didn't register the LLC, or register for copyright.Why does using someone else's code have to equal stolen 100% of the time. If I don't want my shit stolen, I won't let it leak. Yeah I get shit happens but with the amount of times the phrase "stolen code" gets thrown around on here, either people are just looking to get up in arms about shit (probably some of it), or people really need to up their security for real.IF someone puts their code out there and I borrow from it, we're supposed to be a community, I'd give them credit for part of the code. I think that's fair. Even if there's no monetary compensation we both still benefit. But unless it can be proven that code was stolen, all this "stolen code" shit is just people shooting at imaginary targets because they're mad that some kid is eager to get feedback and writes an admittedly generic game.We all start somewhere, don't we?I'm not a programmer, I do music, Hip-Hop music at that, and anyone who knows Hip-Hop knows that taking pieces of other recordings and re-arranging them into new compositions is a key aspect of the culture. Same with dance music. Even outside of sample-based music, I don't think there's any such thing as 100% original, because everyone's inspired by something. The trick is to take bits of your inspirations, and take what you took from them to the next level, which is innovation.But if I was a dev on here, and I was trying to do a serious project, a game that I'm gonna put hours upon hours of effort into and release to the general public, first and foremost, it would be a paid game (not $60 AAA paid but still), and I would get the business rite. And I hate business, I hate politics. But its necessary. Its necessary to avoid getting screwed,Alright, rant over. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554179/#p554179 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @CamlernEven quote unquote basic ethics are a matter of opinion and there are plenty of adults who would have no problem with what The Swamp Gamer is doing as well.But I totally agree that a community needs to have consistent and consistently enforced morals in order to work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554157/#p554157 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @CamlernEven quote unquote basic ethics are a matter of opinion and there are plenty of adults who would have no problem with what The Swamp Gamer is doing as well.But I totally agree that a community needs to have consistent and consistently enforced basics in order to work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554157/#p554157 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others The problem with that topic is that it's not outright said, thus the controversy fuel if anything is done. I think the implication is clear and it stops just this side of not saying enough (see posts 5 and 6) but part of my point is that there's not enough agreement around "stolen code is bad" for anyone to touch this further without drama. Will get the "but these games were abandoned" contingent, the "but they're kids" contingent, the "but it's a good way to learn" club. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554147/#p554147 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Hi Jayde.Here was the topic, although it was not stated in the first post.https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/3543 … -recomend/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554135/#p554135 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Hold on. Who said what where about using stolen code to learn?Nobody reported this, which actually just reinforces Canlorn's point. I didn't see it, but if someone could give me a nod in the direction of whatever it was, and if it's actually objectionable enough, I'll deal with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554115/#p554115 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others no i was refering to piracy where the mods could only provide incomplete or wrong prove it was actually piracy, not the stolen codes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554109/#p554109 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I also think there's a clash of morals on here because there are a lot of children on here. Let's be real. We have no idea what these kids may go through in their home lives that shapes their moral compass, and this is why a general consensus isn't really able to be made here. Do I think they should be banned, or not allowed to post? Nah. They should be allowed to fuckup, and be idiots like we all used to be, but they should be handled the same way as their older counterparts. Meaning, they should get the same punishment. Explain what they did wrong,why it was wrong, and warn or ban them. Don't be biased or feel bad for them because of their age, at least to the point where they're allowed to cause problems and drama. And a ban doesn't have to be perma either, I was a dumbass when I was younger, Ive grown since then.Not all kids are like this, either. Even if they do come from shittier backgrounds. Lots of smart ones out there that are really headstrong and they should be acknowledged for it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553966/#p553966 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @68They said it in developer's room. Wasn't even implied. But I don't care about that instance, save that it just means I won't work with or help them in future. I also don't care that the mods didn't do anything. The mods can't be everywhere. But I do care that whether stealing code is okay isn't a very easy answer.That NVDA glitcher program becomes much less funny with maturity. Even Rory is going to look back on that in a few years and cringe. Fortunately that kind of thing indeed doesn't happen often. But again, my problem isn't with what was done, my problem is that this community has a problem with basic ethics.I think the mods, which I guess mostly means Jayde right now, do fine. It's too late for mods to steer the community. That needed to happen a long time ago if it was going to happen. It's not exactly anyone's fault either. Emergent factors are hard to predict save in hindsight, and frankly this forum being primarily kids definitely doesn't help.I have no idea what's up with the webmasters, so if that part is aimed at me no comment. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553967/#p553967 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others i'm guessing the web masters are the people who made this forum? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553964/#p553964 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Hmm. To be fair he did say he was going to rewrite it, and he didn't post about it here, so there isn't much the mods could have done.With regards to the NVDA glitcher thing, that was the first time I actually saw someone sharing that around on the forums, but I've only been here for like a year proper. There was also that guy who distributed, like, an actual virus? and he was quickly dealt with. In reference to the webmasters, I noticed you said that they probably don't come around because of bashing and so on. WWell, you don't think its kinda jerky to leave the fire, and put the moderation pannel in front to collect all the bullets while they sliip away? I know they have lives and so on, but how difficult is it to come round and check the forum that you created? Its like if you raised a kid for the first 5 years, then dropped it over at your neighbour's bobby's house, and never came back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553956/#p553956 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @66I'm 28. I've been programming since I was 12. I know about software licensing and piracy. And that particular thread isn't the first time someone's made stupid joke programs or tried to distribute viruses or whatever for fun, just the most recent.People like TheTrueSwampGamer can flat out admit they have and are learning from stolen code and nothing is done. And if something had been done it would have sparked a controversy about how mods are dictators or something. This community has trouble with something as simple as stolen code is bad. There are moral gray areas with piracy, but this community isn't in them. Tell me I'm missing something with piracy when we can all agree that stolen code is bad and support the mods if they do something about it, not before, and maybe I'll listen. I'll even agree with some of it. I know the long list of "but piracy isn't evil" points already.But irregardless that doesn't change whether it's legal, which with respect to what we can and can't discuss on a public forum is the more important factor. And it's not like there aren't other issues.I find it sort of telling that me pointing out these particular issues has made you angry, honestly. You need to grow up some. If you go further down this road, you're just going to make my point for me. You kind of already are, and you kind of have in the past.If you want another issue, we have a homophobic and transphobic contingent and a "The coronavirus isn't real and all the news is fake" contingent. If I went down off-topic or general games discussion I could probably find a few more. But I was sticking to the stuff that should definitely not be controversial, that we should all be able to agree is bad without even thinking about it. But apparently we, or at least you, can't, so have a couple more things I consider bad lest you decide that I'm 1-dimensional and don't care about things beyond piracy and virus distribution. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553952/#p553952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @65 don't aggree about you calling critic bashing, but that is another story. Also you are missing some stuff in piracy matters, and the virus joke program you probs refer to nvda glitcher, i don't hope that tthough.@63 thee thing is i justt go to fakenamegenerator.com and done. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553936/#p553936 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @63To my knowledge that's legal, but there's no way to actually implement it. You can arguably get the data, but it takes days and it costs a lot of money. Background checks are $30 or more. Credit cards can only be validated if you get a payment processor and try charging it, and I don't believe that validation actually comes back with names or addresses, and just matching the zip code is enough to pass. The sorts of things you're discussing, if you got all of them, would be upwards of $50 per user. Maybe much more.Also I'm on a couple of those X-rated sites and they definitely don't background check in the U.S. Just name, date of birth, here's my credit card if it's paid, and you're in. I won't say which ones for a variety of reasons, but giving young minds ideas is certainly at the top of that list.The UK tries to do better here, but this problem isn't solvable without redoing the internet from the ground up in the kinds of ways that would give a government like China full control over every word you posted online. I'm being 100% literal. That's what it would take.The real problem with this community is that it's tolerant of too much, and it's too late to take a lot of it back. There aren't any adults, things like virus joke programs and piracy are debated as to whether or not it's bad, you can't even flat out say "We shouldn't talk about x because it's illegal" without one faction or another being outraged and then bringing up every other thread that got missed. I think part of why mods aren't around is that this community has a culture of bashing them every time they make an even slightly unpopular decision. When a community is able to sort of shift the ethical center around, what's allowed changes and you can't put it back, but no one stopped it at the beginning of the current problems developing.And there's too few people to change any of this. Even if we had an age verifier or whatever else, audiogames haven't been important beyond audiogames.net in a long time. If we had a quality community we'd have quality games. If we had quality games we'd have a quality community. But we have neither, and if you knock out over half the people with whatever, then we have nothing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553926/#p553926 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I really dont want such thing to hapin, and it actually wont since the webmasters are gon URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553920/#p553920 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
2020-07-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I thought of implementing some kind of internet verification system, but I don't know if this would violate any statutory, constitutional, or common legal opinions.I don't know if this is true, but some dating and X-rated sites may verify your age with a public records consumer company, like the credit bureaus in the United States.And I think it's easy for anyone to create a prepaid debit card under an assumed name if you were to make the forum paid.What I was thinking was that, upon registration, users may be randomly selected to do a background check, which requires you to release your name, age, address, DOB, and probably a few other things.Such an idea may be useful, but I think it would also be expensive, as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553914/#p553914 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @61 Yeah same here. My parents gave me an FB account at 10 and they said I was born in 1995 rather than my actual birth year which is 2001 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553843/#p553843 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @60 very true. Thats how i was on facebook and registered on google when i was like 9/10 years old URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553787/#p553787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Age restriction wouldn't solve anything actually. All an individual has to do is lie about their age to get into the forum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553723/#p553723 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others hmm, well just in kase, i'm 11 and i'm not gonna do anything like that, i promis smilyface URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553719/#p553719 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Yeah guys like it or not it's mostly the kids. The adults still cause problems but they usually calm down faster and can admit when they are wrong after some time.It's only natural, and as Alireza said there are certainly some kids that you'd have no idea were that young.But age restriction would be pretty much impossible to enforce anyway even if we did want it so what ever. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553693/#p553693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Sorry if , I came off as wanting age restriction. I really don't want that at all. I'm just saying that a lot of the drama has been caused by certain kids. This topic was spicifically to stop further drama so I'll stop here. I know that this is one of my least thought out posts and I'm sorry if I offend someone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553598/#p553598 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others i talked to electro about this and he means kids like urh and rory URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553593/#p553593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others We all know age is just a number, won't name, but there are some people in this forum who are younger than most of the members and act cool (in my opinion at least), I (Won't use the word mature, because in my opinion it shouldn't exist) while there are also people who are older and have been a large part of this thing you call drama on the forum. Did you know that if the forum was age restricted most of the games we enjoy wouldn't exist? but I don't think this forum will be age restricted anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553591/#p553591 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others We all know age is just a number, won't name, but there are some people in this forum who are younger than most of the members and act cool (in my opinion at least), I (Won't use the word mature, because in my opinion it shouldn't exist) while there are also people who are older and have been a large part of this thing you call drama on the forum. Did you know that if the forum was age restricted most of the games we enjoy wouldn't exist? Of course, what I think isn't that important, and I know this forum will not be age restricted anyway but I have nothing else to do so why not write this? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553591/#p553591 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others We all know age is just a number, won't name, but there are some people in this forum who are younger than most of the members and act cool (in my opinion at least), I (Won't use the word mature, because in my opinion it shouldn't exist) while there are also people who are older and have been a large part of this thing you call drama on the forum. Did you know that if the forum was age restricted most of the games we enjoy wouldn't exist? Of course, no one will give a damn about what I think, and I know this forum will not be age restricted anyway but I have nothing else to do so why not write this? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553591/#p553591 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Lmao. Only kids cause drama on the forum, because yeh know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553578/#p553578 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @51 No I think what electro meant was that kids often act uhh, imiturely. It has given kids a reputation of getting banned and the creation of drama topics often revolve around kids. I don't think that there should be an age restriction or anything I just think something should be done. I may even be a kid... who knows. Sorry I know this post is messy but I'm writing on my phone so sorry about that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553511/#p553511 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
2020-07-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : ilyas booneehee via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others hello guys.sorry for saying this guys, i don't want to be rude but electro wrotethat's an other reason why i don't want kids in the forumi am also a kid, does that meen i can't be in the forum regardless of what i do? huh? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553509/#p553509 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Plus being banned doesn't primarily mean inability to read forums, so such temp banned people can read the forum after all, then after theyr ban just act normally, or get another ban if they so desire lol.So, unless your life depends on posting, you dont need to create alts and patiently wait out your temp ban, unless you're perma banned which means you've fucked up URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553239/#p553239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Plus being banned doesn't primarily mean inability to read forums, so such temp banned people can read the forum after all, then after theyr ban just act normally, or get another ban if they so desire lol.So, unless your life depends on posting, you dont need to create acts and patiently wait out your temp ban, unless you're perma banned which means you've fucked up URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553239/#p553239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Thank you. That is an important distinction.The reason some people have what amounts to lifetime bans is because they started out with normal ones, decided they couldn't cope with that, and broke more rules by trying to sneak around with alts. As soon as you start doing that, especially if you continue the behaviour that got you kicked out in the first place, you're saying one thing loud and clear. You aren't going to follow the rules of the forum, so you don't deserve to be here. It's really that straightforward. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553139/#p553139 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others LOL. His ban was originally for 3 months, but because, alts, it was extended, and extended. and extended. and extended. and extended. and extended. and extended. And you get the idea. Same with fighter.Also, if you want to come back, you can probably email the mods, and ask for a chance again. You're not garenteed, but its a start URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553102/#p553102 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @47This forum and everything to do with audiogames gives out plenty of chances. You flat out admitted in developers that you were trying to reimplement stolen code and you're still here. You have no room to talk.Bans aren't about whether or not people changed. Bans are about having a good community. A ban isn't your chance to become a better person and come back in a few years. If you get banned multiple times, then you didn't get the message. if we keep reevaluating your for inclusion by giving you temporary bans, that's a courtesy, not a right.Obviously a community with arbitrary rules which jumps straight to permabans isn't going to last, but audiogames.net is neither. If anything audiogames.net is much more tolerant than most of the rest of the world. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553099/#p553099 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
2020-07-16
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : TheTrueSwampGamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @46 i'm not sayikng he has or that he doesn't deserve what he's gotten, but i'm just saying that maybe lifetime bans shouldn't exactly be, erm, perminent? Like maybe a year, 2 years, something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553097/#p553097 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Erm. @45 does urh2006 actk like a civilised human beeing?Not for me, not for jaydon, not for jayde and not for many others.He gets permanend bans, probably because he tried to bypass a few months ban. Thats most likely what happened. And he got involved in a few not so nice things as you saw, and i believe rory and jayden and others. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553085/#p553085 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
2020-07-16
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : TheTrueSwampGamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I don't get why perminent bans exist, i can get a few months for a ban, but you can't just 3 years later ban someone because they changed, admitted that its then, survived, acted completely different, but oh no, ban them because its an alt! oh no! how dare they want to participate in this forum while they act like a completely civilized human being! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/553082/#p553082 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others yeah, this is more a disscussion than drama.Honestly i was a cloner too, but i never got banned from the forum, probably because i have never done anything that i would deserve a ban for.I've not shared clones, i've not accused anyone publicly here, and generally i am trying to be as good as i can be to anyone, unless they are as dump as urh.If i would get banned here, i'd rather not come back with an alt, guess why?Because i'd know i deserved it and would feal guilty URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552918/#p552918 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I mean, it was kind of a jab at posts 2 and 35. To tell you how drama filled the topic is, it was like the second to last topic on the page. The I want to get banned, or the urgent warning topic had much more drama than this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552900/#p552900 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @23 no comment at all. To the rest i belive rory as well, cause i have also talked to him in private afterwards and he said the same stuff. I kind of doupt urh or bran would be smart enough to setup a working keylogger that doesn't crash when the connection dies or a key it doesn't know is pressed, but who knows. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552895/#p552895 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others As far as I can tell there is no drama here. It is just debated discussion, that's all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552887/#p552887 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Exactly. I was being sarcastic, but i suck lemons at doing that through text. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552861/#p552861 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others hmm, drama? , where?, i see only discussion going on here on this topic URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552855/#p552855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others There was no drama at all URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552851/#p552851 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Honestly, were you expecting anything different? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552842/#p552842 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Well, I guess a lot of drama came out of this topic... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552821/#p552821 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Agreed with 2 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552601/#p552601 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @33. Yup. You get what you paid for indeed. On the subject of free VPNs, windscribe is a good one. You get 20GB/month for free if you use EXPAND20 as a promo code. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552517/#p552517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others No need for that, it looks like TechRadar has already done the work, and it doesn't look too good for Urban VPN.Let's just say, you get what you pay for.https://www.techradar.com/reviews/urban-vpn URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552493/#p552493 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others let me look at this vpn i will check and then report back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552492/#p552492 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I can't remember who sent the logs because this is way later in the post, but I assure you Bloodstorm players that we will be keeping a very close eye on him. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552416/#p552416 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Thanks for the catch. Thought I'd updated that, but I guess I forgot. It's done now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552402/#p552402 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Sorry for the double post, but @jayde, the diciplinary topic hasn't been updated with the ban URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552396/#p552396 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I think the longest lasting alt of Urh was that Mike0916 one that he was using URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552394/#p552394 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @26Report them for what? Nothing can come of that. ISPs don't care unless there's legal proceedings.I don't know the full story, but unless someone wants to get lawyers involved all that can reasonably be done has been done, far as I can tell. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552387/#p552387 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Urh had to come onto this forum at one point or other without a VPN. Admins see IP addresses in the post header, so I feel some digging needs to be done and have them report his ass to his ISP. Not that I think that anything will come of it, but that seems to be the next step. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552378/#p552378 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
2020-07-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Ok so question: why is it harder for game developers to make an account here and be able to post than it is for this hacker who keeps popping back on to start trouble? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552364/#p552364 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @22I would like to see a source w.r.t. ip sharing being illegal. If they tell you that's what you're doing they totally can, so far as I know. Even if it's borrowing your home internet, though for that they have to tell you and there's probably issues between you and your ISP (but said issues wouldn't affect the VPN provider, because they didn't enter into a EULA with the ISP).There's only 4 billion IPV4 addresses. Much of them are already allocated to various companies. We all share all the time already in one way or another. I'm not aware of any VPN provider that doesn't share. In fact, part of the anonymity comes from that sharing (except, there's no real anonymity, but that's another discussion).The real answer to cases like this is to make it painful to be banned. For instance you only get access to communication with an e-mail, or after a mod approves you. Instead of banning being the worst punishment, set accounts back to level 1. But honestly, apart from recouping the costs, this whole thing is part of why I would make any online game I made paid. Can't just get credit cars on file with false names all day long, and even if you can you're not going to want to keep paying for accounts. It's amazing how fast a little bit of money being involved can cut down on the trolling, then you can turn some of that money around and pay a mod as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552353/#p552353 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Yeah, I also heard his accounts are supplied by Simter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552349/#p552349 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @21 raises some very good points. Lets do some looking into this, "VPN", shall we? From the official website (urban-vpn.com)...OK, this looks just like any normal VPN site at first look, 100 percent fast, 100 percent free, etc. However...Protect your data, identity and internet connection with encryption & DNS/IPv6 leak protection. While your Data is safely encrypted, your real IP is replaced with a truly anonymous IP from our servers.OK, normal. But...If we look at the blerb below the website in Google search...UrbanVPN is the biggest global network for anonymous web users. Through IP sharing we deliver premium-level VPN speed & safety for totally free...IP sharing. How, interesting.This product, from the looks of it, does, in fact, share IP's with other people, which, yes, is illegal. This could also cause issues for new users trying to register if it just happens to use one of their IP's.Edit: Also did some looking into the P2P part, which from what I know stands for peer to peer.Google wrote:Urban VPN is powered by the Urban VPNr's community (Peer-to-Peer) VPN. All our users help each other unblock the internet, by sharing their network resources. We take great care to protect your privacy, security and personal information, check out our privacy policy.This is very...Fishy.I don't have a lot of time at the moment, or I would take a look at the privacy policy but I will do that later, or if someone beats me to it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552345/#p552345 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @21 raises some very good points. Lets do some looking into this, "VPN", shall we? From the official website (urban-vpn.com)...OK, this looks just like any normal VPN site at first look, 100 percent fast, 100 percent free, etc. However...Protect your data, identity and internet connection with encryption & DNS/IPv6 leak protection. While your Data is safely encrypted, your real IP is replaced with a truly anonymous IP from our servers.OK, normal. But...If we look at the blerb below the website in Google search...UrbanVPN is the biggest global network for anonymous web users. Through IP sharing we deliver premium-level VPN speed & safety for totally free...IP sharing. How, interesting.This product, from the looks of it, does, in fact, share IP's with other people, which, yes, is illegal. This could also cause issues for new users trying to register if it just happens to use one of their IP's. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552345/#p552345 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Theres something which I don't get; however might be cause for worrying. From what Er said,Private urior: you can get a vm, first connect thrue a vpn, then use urban vpn, which is p2p so you get a real i p of someone, and make an account and get unrestricted, how easy!Does this mean that urban vpn steels people's ips? If this is the case... This app should be by all intents and purposes, illegal. Vpns change your IP sure, but not by steeling someone elses IP. And what is p2p anyway? Sounds familiar... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552340/#p552340 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Theres something which I don't get; however might be cause for worrying. From what Er said,Private urior: you can get a vm, first connect thrue a vpn, then use urban vpn, which is p2p so you get a real i p of someone, and make an account and get unrestricted, how easy!Does this mean that urban vpn steels people's ips? If this is the case... This app should be by all intents and purposes, illegal. Vpns change your IP sure, but not by steeling someone elses IP. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552340/#p552340 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others That's also the reason why I don't want kids on the forum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552332/#p552332 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others I don’t wanna be rude or anything but it gets slightly annoying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552319/#p552319 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Some people just are never taught to be any better, to strive to cultivate themselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552318/#p552318 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others @13 what do you mean? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552316/#p552316 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Right, but his attitude and writing style never really changes so he gets found out quite quickly and never actually seems to get much done in the space between.It's like he's barely even trying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552314/#p552314 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others Well, considering that it takes him 5 minutes to create an account, and that it takes days or weeks to ban him, the forum isn't very likely to get rid of that user anytime soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552310/#p552310 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others It's strange to me that he keeps wasting his time doing this when he's just going to get banned again anyway. Like how is it even fun at this point as compared to doing so many other things.Ah well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552303/#p552303 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others
Re: Here's Why I'm Inclined to Believe Rory and Others and I was really thinking we already had enough with the whole character assassination from 8 months back Who would tell, mmmthings definitely changed way too much URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552300/#p552300 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
