Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Hey, thanks to all of you for the plentyful infos.i am currently searching a laptop, I told the guys at our local computer store what I needed, they already informed me that they have an acer laptop which would fit my needs, I am still waiting for the data sheet, and then I can look at it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245705#p245705 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Thanks for the very informative post in post 2. A thumps up for that.I can confirm that an SSD disk runs much faster than a normal HD. I have been using a SSD disk since 2011, and I love it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245701#p245701 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives I don't like hybrid drives. You don't know what's inside them because the manufacturer is generally set on price--that's the whole point, after all. Then the drives themselves have firmware which performs background relocation of data that is essentially invisible to your OS and to you.If you want to save money, grab an SSD and an HDD and do it yourself, micromanaging your data according to your uses. Realise that, contrary to all intuitiveness, media files do not in fact require great disk throughput, neither for network (125 MB/s) nor the much slower rendering speeds. Something like OS X's Fusion Drive is better for the user, because there's no caching and the user sees one big filesystem, but it's not off the hook because it's fundamentally more unsafe than a single filesystem on a single drive.These are my thoughts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245617#p245617 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives SSD's generally last longer, but I think the point that was being made was that they give out with no prior warning that might give you time to back things up, which is generally true; and while I don't know much about the science behind it, I do know that it's because of how optical flash memory works opposed to actual magnetic writing.HDD's tend to give you more leeway, because you usually notice a slow decrease in responsiveness, while at the same time you can hear the drive working harder physically, and you sometimes even get read/write, access, and Windows full stop errors along the way.Still, as a user it isn't that hard to avoid these problems with a bit of common sense, if you take into account how often and for how long the drive is used, how large the typical load of written data is, and weather it's average temperature is close to the upper or lower limits of the stated minimum and maximum from the manufacturer.The average user's SSD is probably going to last a good 7 to 10 years, as long as it isn't a cheap piece of crap from an off brand, and using it longer than that is a personally undertaken risk.Also, in terms of speed, it's all about the IOPS baby, or KIOPS if your going by thousands, which stands for input output operations per second, in other words, how fast your drive can read and write the tiny, 4KB and under files that your system is constantly passing back and forth to run it's self, weather it's loading the system, opening programs, or even just flipping rapidly through the pages of a large document.Anything over 4 IOPS, 40 KIOPS Read and Write is going to give the user a far snappier experience all around.Of course, if we're talking strictly about how fast you can move files from 1 part of the drive to another, or on and off of the drive via the internet or removable media, it's about sequential Read/Write, limited by the interface between it and your motherboard, weather it be Serial ATA 3.0, M2, or PCE 3.0.Anything over 150MBPS is probably going to make most people happy, especially those still using USB2.0, since most external HDD's are also limited to that speed do to being mechanical, even if using USB3.0. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245582#p245582 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives SSD's generally last longer, but I think the point that was being made was that they give out with no prior warning that might give you time to back things up, which is generally true; and while I don't know much about the science behind it, I do know that it's because of how optical flash memory works opposed to actual magnetic writing.HDD's tend to give you more leeway, because you usually notice a slow decrease in responsiveness, while at the same time you can hear the drive working harder physically, and you sometimes even get read/write, access, and Windows full stop errors along the way.Still, as a user it isn't that hard to avoid these problems with a bit of common sense, if you take into account how often and for how long the drive is used, how large the typical load of written data is, and weather it's average temperature is close to the upper or lower limits of the stated minimum and maximum from the manufacturer.The average user's SSD is probably going to last a good 7 to 10 years, as long as it isn't a cheap piece of crap from an off brand, and using it longer than that is a personally undertaken risk.Also, in terms of speed, it's all about the IOPS baby, or KIOPS if your going by thousands, which stands for input output operations per second, in other words, how fast your drive can read and write the tiny, 4KB and under files that your system is constantly passing back and forth to run it's self, weather it's loading the system, opening programs, or even just flipping rapidly through the pages of a large document.Anything over 4 IOPS Read and Write is going to give the user a far snappier experience all around.Of course, if we're talking strictly about how fast you can move files from 1 part of the drive to another, or on and off of the drive via the internet or removable media, it's about sequential Read/Write, limited b y the interface between it and your motherboard, weather it be Serial ATA 3.0, M2, or PCE 3.0.Anything over 150MBPS is probably going to make most people happy, especially those still using USB2.0, since most external HDD's are also limited to that speed do to being mechanical, even if using USB3.0. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245582#p245582 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Reports of how much less reliable SSD's are compared to mechanical drives are definitely exadurated. Look onthis site. The takeaway from this is quite simple, you'd have to write a rediculous amount of data before the drive would fail. If you decide to go for a setup with an SSD for the OS and your most used programs and a mechanical drive for the rest, this will be even less of an issue, and the performance definitely feels better. I use both a computer that has a mechanical drive and one with an SSD daily, both with very good processors and I can definitely feel that the SSD runs much faster. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245576#p245576 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Bare in mind all: SSD's are not meant to last forever. The upside to these types of drives is faster access to data found on the drive; however, the drive does indeed have a life cycle which inevitably will end with no warning of its (for lack of better words) death.I bring this up because you could save money now and purchase a hybrid or even just an HDD. If you aren't set on faster speeds of data retrieval, then I highly suggest you save your wallet and buy an HDD. My opinion, of course.Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245558#p245558 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Hi.AAh so thats how he did it then.the cd drive is back in the machine but hmmm ok. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245084#p245084 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Hi.So, I got that right? There are laptops with two harddrive bays available so I can just put in a normal harddrive, lets say of 1 tb and an ssd drive? That would be super awesome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=245062#p245062 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives He probably put the SSD in an empty disk drive bay after taking the optical out, with a mounting bracket, it's apparently not that hard, especially with the new 7MM high 2.5 inch drives.Usually that's called MSata.You can also accomplish the same thing with an express card 54 slot, or M2 on the motherboard it's self.Yeah, I was looking at external drives just yesterday, and even though the 3TB portables will be out in a month or two, they'll be pretty expensive at first, so you could grab a Seagate backup plus Slim or a Western Digital My Passport Ultra Metal Addition.Both will last you a while, though I'd go with the Seagate based on reviews... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=244971#p244971 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Well one reason I didn't go for ssd was just that storage.You need to carry round an external if you want to run things all the time.I do have 2 externals so I guess that wouldn't be a problem since all are portable however I don't need them up all the time and to be honest I still like internal drives.I had a 120gb hdd in an older laptop and 99% of all my data was on an external drive, which I ran all day long eventually it died and I almost lost everything.Unless I have sfx to play I don't need the external drives plugged my music etc is on the main one.I do agree with that though.Now a family member of ours an uncle of mine actually got a hybred hard drive with a 32 gb ssd on it.He was able to buy a 250gb ssd from amazon for 80 dollars and then put this instead of the 32 gb drive and so had a system drive and a 1tb hard drive for data in his laptop and it worked a treat.I don't know how he got that w orking though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=244915#p244915 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives Hi, thanks for the info.i will try if i can get a model with just a larger ssd in it and put all the other things like music, movies and such stuff on an external harddrive, that should actualy work when I can install programs on that thing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=244869#p244869 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives It depends, if the one with the separate SSD has one that's under 64GB or so, it's because the most commonly used system programs, windows core files, and windows updates will stay on that one, so that the experience as a user will be super snappy as if the computer only had 1 large SSD, but the actual transfer speeds to and from the standard drive, which is where all of your personal programs, files, and settings would go, will be quite average.This gives you sort of the best of both worlds, but it's still not as good as just 1 SSD, since that would give you both high transfer speeds and snappy operation.If it's bigger than 64GB, say, 128GB or so, then that will let you as a user choose where things go, so windows will be installed by the manufacturer on the SSD, but you can also put your most commonly used personal programs and files, like games, word processors, and web browsers there your self, and then decide to put larger, lesser used f iles like movies, TV Series, music libraries, and large audio books on the standard HDD, which has more space available.This will make the HDD last allot longer since it isn't being accessed nearly as much, but for most users, it will feel like you have a full sized standard SSD instead of 2 drives.A hybrid drive is just a standard HDD that has it's small cash, think of an index for a library, usually 32 to 64MB, replaced with a miniature, embedded 4 to 32GB SSD running at relatively low speeds, which gives you a small performance increase over a standard HDD without having to pay extra for a hole other drive as well.You won't notice much of an improvement with this compared to a primary SSD or an SSD boot drive, but it's much less expensive most of the time as well, and still better than a plain HDD. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=244865#p244865 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives
Re: A question about ssd and harddrives It depends, if the one with the separate SSD has one that's under 64GB or so, it's because the most commonly used system programs, windows core files, and windows updates will stay on that one, so that the experience as a user will be super snappy as if the computer only had 1 large SSD, but the actual transfer speeds to and from the standard drive, which is where all of your personal programs, files, and settings would go, will be quite average.This gives you sort of the best of both worlds, but it's still not as good as just 1 SSD, since that would give you both high transfer speeds and snappy operation.If it's bigger than 64GB, say, 128GB or so, then that will let you as a user choose where things go, so windows will be installed by the manufacturer on the SSD, but you can also put your most commonly used personal programs and files, like games, word processors, and web browsers there your self, and then decide to put larger, lesser used f iles like movies, TV Series, music libraries, and large audio books on the standard HDD, which has more space available.This will make the HDD last allot longer since it isn't being accessed nearly as much, but for most users, it will feel like you have a full sized standard SSD instead fo 2 drives.A hybrid drive is just a standard HDD that has it's small cash, think of an index for a library, usually 32 to 64MB, replaced with a miniature, embedded 4 to 32GB SSD running at relatively low speeds, which gives you a small performance increase over a standard HDD without having to pay extra for a hole other drive as well.You won't notice much of an improvement with this compared to a primary SSD or an SSD boot drive, but it's much less expensive most of the time as well, and still better than a plain HDD. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=244865#p244865 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
