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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @982 and 983, answers:1. Practically speaking, pretty important. Not just for self-defense but for other sports like hunting. People use guns for self-defense more often than you realize; we just don't hear about it because its not usually reported.2. Rarely, and that's been "rarely" since the last American civil war. Given the tension that's arose this year, however, that may change.3. Against the government? Answer to 2 was purely a guess -- I have no statistical numbers.4. Whether they succeed would entirely depend on the size of the force and how well-trained and coordinated it was. The force wouldn't need to be a full frontal assault; there are many kinds of warfair, and the sneakiest of kinds can cripple any authority in power given the right circumstances.However, the above four questions focused on governmental usage of guns. What about non-governmental usage of self-defense with guns? I did briefly touch on that, and a quick search indicates that this happens far more often than we think. Its hard to come to any justifiable answer because both sides claim different things.Do I think that we need more gun control? Yes, I do. Do I think that we should do what 981 said? Hell no. To address the other points in 982: I don't feel that getting rid of guns will make America less American at all. I feel that getting rid of guns completely -- or making it somehow a privilege -- will endanger far more people than it would if we didn't get rid of guns or make it some kind of special privilege. Its difficult, I think, for anyone to be completely objective on a matter like this, and no matter who does the research your going to find contradictory information all over the place. I am in favor of better background checks, and better regulation and legislation. What I am not in favor of is tampering with the bill of rights, particular because I can see repealing one amendment leading to the repealing of the first amendment and so on. I just feel that tampering with the constitution like that will lead us down a very dangerous path, and you know what they all say -- the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And though making gun ownership a privilege might be a 'good intention', you just know all the politicians are going to abuse the hell out of it.I've found some sources in favor and some not, though this just goes to prove the division and the fact that its unlikely we'll reach any kind of satisfactory answer. Some sources in favor include:https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 … lf-defensehttps://www.heritage.org/firearms/comme … t-skepticshttps://fee.org/articles/more-people-us … accidents/https://americangunfacts.comAnd some sources not in favor include:https://www.wyff4.com/article/how-often … s/10033021https://vpc.org/revealing-the-impacts-o … e-gun-use/There are others, too; I read an analogy of sorts that asked why we weren't taking away all the vehicles in the nation because they cause a lot of deaths just like guns do, but I don't remember where that was. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558088/#p558088 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Jayde, allow me to add one additional question to yours.5. Hypothetically speaking, if a part of the populis would actually take up arms against the government, what good would it do? Would they even stand a 0.1% chance? Do you have any idea of the weapons the US military has access to, not to mention there are probably many more ones that aren't known. Can a sane person actually say they stand any sort of chance at all? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558080/#p558080 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ethin, I think I see why you're resistant, and I understand that as an American, you're very used to the idea that your country in part defines itself by allowing citizens to carry firearms.But ask yourself this:1. Practically speaking, how great is the need for a gun for your average citizen?2. Practically speaking, how likely are citizens to need guns to defend themselves from the government?3. Following from that, how likely is it, practically speaking, that a citizen actually uses their firearms to defend themselves against the government?As has been pointed out, this part of the constitution was written during an entirely different point in history. If there was ever a period in history where it made sense to own firearms and to carry them about, I believe that time has long passed. I feel that you might be resistant to change purely because some part of you feels that to get rid of the freedom to walk around with a gun will somehow make America less American. If that is, in fact, the way you feel, I urge you to probe the problem from a different angle. The only real tangible result of American gun legislation and the second amendment, in this case, are things like school shootings, hate-crimes, and mentally ill individuals committing mass homicide because weapons that can kill whole groups of people are far too easy to get hold of. I don't hear of nearly enough gun-owning Americans doing good in the world because they have the right to bear arms. Where were well-meaning armed Americans when riots broke out and police started using tear gas on innocents? Where were they when george Floyd and countless others died? Hell, Brionna Taylor's boyfriend owned a gun, and all it resulted in was Taylor herself being shot and killed following a no-knock warrant and entry into her home.This is not a shining example of what it means to be American; if it is, I think your problem runs far deeper than the gun violence itself, as I'd be pretty disgusted to be proud of a country whose main selling point was "hey, if you're American, you can walk around with a gun". That's...not really a thing anybody needs to be proud of, especially when so few people actually do anything meaningful with that freedom. I promise you that most other countries that have stricter gun control - stricter by far, I might add - don't foster an atmosphere where your average person cowers behind seven locks and bullet-proof glass because they don't have a gun. Oh, there's crime, sure, you'll get no argument there, and guns do exist. People get shot. It happens. But because guns aren't all over the place, it's not nearly the sort of numbers we're talking about in the States. So I say if we can do it, so can you. And resistance, to me at least, simply boils down to an unreasoned aversion to change. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558073/#p558073 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ok guys, call me radical and whatnot, but I seriously think that the second amendment should be abolished, as in, owning a gun should not be a right, but a privilidge. Only people in specific professions, or who are in specific conditions should be able to own one. For example, FBI agents, military officers, lawyers, etc, professions who are likely to be targeted. Again, it should not be a godgiven right, to have a gun. Someone should need to proove they need one, and that they are capable of managing one, and have the mental faculties to not go crazy. Also, stockpiling should be banned too. Remember Steven Pattic? He had over 20 asault rifles when he did the las vegas mandalay Bay shooting. He had never had any felonies in his life, Ethin, by your terms, he was a good guy, but that didn't stop him hording thousands of rounds of ammo, stockpiling his rifles, converting them into full auto, and shooting at people at a concert from a hotel window. If these types of weapons were banned, this wouldn't have happened period. Alsso, I heard you could walk into sporting good stores in some states and casually pick up 50 calibur rifles like the Barrett m82. Who the fuck needs a 50 calibur rifle? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558070/#p558070 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @976 yes you can buy asault rifles in the US. you can walk in to a store in florida and buy an A R 15 with no checks at all. they are limited to single shot semi automatic but they can very easily be converted as was shown in a school shooting there a year or 2 back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558068/#p558068 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I don't think people are saying guns should be banned completely. I don't know how it works in America and other countries, but in South Africa to get a firearm licence you need to write a test proving you understand gun safety rules etc, and you can only own a limited number of guns each which has to be registered with their intended purpose. And self-defence is a valid reason. I'm curious how other countries do this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558058/#p558058 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @977, I understand that the US has a very bad gun problem. And I acknowledge that and am not going to just hide under a rock and deny its existence. However, there is a line to be drawn, and I'd like to be able to carry a weapon with me if I feel that its necessary. I should have the option of not relying completely upon the police to save my ass if I find myself in a sticky situation, using what weapon I am most comfortable with. Of course, that would exclude assault rifles, because I've no need for one. But working out the gun problem will take decades, if the US does choose to work towards that way, and it should not involve the complete and utter abolition of the second amendment. That's a bit too far, don't you think? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558055/#p558055 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ethin, I tell you what. I'd be in favour of drastically tightening firearm legislation first, see if that actually changes the per-capita gun violence statistics. I have a feeling that the drop would not be too noticeable, and you'd still see alarmingly high numbers in America because I don't have too much faith in your country's ability to manage its gun problem. That said, I might be wrong, and would be happy to admit it if I were. I hope, though, that if tighter legislation did not lead to a considerable drop in gun violence, you'd be willing to accept the existence of the elephant in the living room that nobody wants to really stare directly in the face. Your country has an enormous gun problem, and you don't fix it by being soft on it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558052/#p558052 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? You can't buy assault rifles in the US though, otherwise everyone would be running about with m-16s and ak-47s. The types of people that do this are your criminal/gang member types that wouldn't give a shit about gun laws anyway.You absolutely don't want to end up like the UK though, if some tooled up asshole kicks off here, he or she can do whatever the hell they like until the police armed response unit gets their fingers out their arses and turns up to neutralize the threat. Carrying something as harmless as a folding pocket knife with a locking mechanism will get you arrested, so I guess you could sing god save the queen at them really loudly or something. I'm still waiting on the categorization of narwhal body parts as dangerous weapons myself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558048/#p558048 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @974, banning certain types of guns is understandable to a degree. I don't think assault rifles should be banned on the premise of their name having the word "assault" in them, as politicians have done before, or on the amount of gun violence they've produced (which is less than 1 percent of all gun violence cases). If your going to ban a gun, do it for actually good reasons. But the stance of 'ban all the guns' is just stupid. Make better legislation, make background checks better, and so on, sure. But don't ban all the guns. There's no need for that.I agree that the attitude can come across as entitled, but I'm definitely not ignoring gun violence statistics. Yes, guns create gun violence. But people should still have the right to carry guns. From what my research has indicated, gun violence usually occurs because of mental instability or insanity, and that's where I support the idea of more health checks with gun acquisition. But banning entire classes of guns (e.g.: handguns) is stupid to me... especially because it seems like everyone who proliferates this "ban all the guns" mantra fails to consider the consequences of that. (Also, if memory serves, every politician that's proliferated that mantra is a hypocrite because they own a gun themselves.) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558041/#p558041 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @974, banning certain types of guns is understandable to a degree. I don't think assault rifles should be banned on the premise of their name having the word "assault" in them, as politicians have done before, or on the amount of gun violence they've produced (which is less than 1 percent of all gun violence cases). If your going to ban a gun, do it for actually good reasons. But the stance of 'ban all the guns' is just stupid. Make better legislation, make background checks better, and so on, sure. But don't ban all the guns. There's no need for that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558041/#p558041 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @974, banning certain types of guns is understandable to a degree. I don't think assault rifles should be banned on the premise of their name having the word "assault" in them, as politicians have done before, or on the amount of gun violence they've produced (which is less than 1 percent of all gun violence cases). If your going to ban a gun, do it for actually good reasons. And I'm sorry if 975 was a bit unrealistic or was too harsh -- I hope my point was made though. But the stance of 'ban all the guns' is just stupid. Make better legislation, make background checks better, and so on, sure. But don't ban all the guns. There's no need for that.Anyway, I think we've dragged this topic way off course. Can we return to coronavirus now? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558042/#p558042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @974, banning certain types of guns is understandable to a degree. I don't think assault rifles should be banned on the premise of their name having the word "assault" in them, as politicians have done before, or on the amount of gun violence they've produced (which is less than 1 percent of all gun violence cases). If your going to ban a gun, do it for actually good reasons. And I'm sorry if 975 was a bit unrealistic or was too harsh -- I hope my point was made though. But the stance of 'ban all the guns' is just stupid. Make better legislation, make background checks better, and so on, sure. But don't ban all the guns. There's no need for that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558042/#p558042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @974, banning certain types of guns is understandable to a degree. I don't think assault rifles should be banned on the premise of their name having the word "assault" in them, as politicians have done before, or on the amount of gun violence they've produced (which is less than 1 percent of all gun violence cases). If your going to ban a gun, do it for actually good reasons. And I'm sorry if 975 was a bit unrealistic or was too harsh -- I hope my point was made though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558042/#p558042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @972, you do know that a mandatory gun buyback law won't work. Think logically, Enes. Your literally asking every citizen in the nation -- that's 324 million people as of the 2017 estimate -- to turn in their guns. There are over 500 million guns in the nation. Out of those 324 million people, approximately 686,665 people (0.21 percent) work for the police, and 1.3 million (0.40 percent) work for the military. Your further asking those approximately 70 people to go, door-to-door, to every building in the country that may have a gun to confiscate those guns. Your then asking all of those guns to be registered in a database (operated by the federal government). Do you really think that someone who really wants a gun will not be able to hide it from the police? Do you really not think that would start a civil war if such a law passed (because it would most likely be a violation of the fourth amendment on a supermassive scale)? And what about people who know how to craft guns? What about those criminals who don't give a damn about your supposed 'law'? What if the database gets breached and wiped? And where the hell are you going to store those 500 million plus guns, anyway? Do you know of a building large enough to store 500 million firearms safely, plus all the ammunition? I certainly don't.As for the other weapons thing, yeah, right... just because a club, or a fork, doesn't have the range to kill someone like a gun can doesn't mean it can't be done. Its just harder to do. Also, people can make homemade missiles or homemade projectile launchers. Finally, what about the case where someone is at home and a criminal breaks in? If whomever lived there had a gun, they could defend themselves -- as they have the right to do. Are you just expecting them to call the police and happily sit around and wait? The police can't be everywhere, you know. Its better to give people the ability to defend themselves with a gun than to take it away and just expect all your problems to go away. And as I said before, criminals could care less about your law.As for the government thing, yes, it does seem laughable. But that was, actually, the original intent, along with granting the people the right to form militias. It doesn't just apply to the federal government, either; it applies to state governments as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558041/#p558041 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I feel that attitude is entitled and somewhat defeatist. Entitled because you have the freedom to ignore that America has some freakishly high rates of per-capita gun violence. Defeatist because the implication is that changing gun laws won't actually change rates of gun violence. But if that's true, why do so many countries with better gun control have much better per-capita gun-violence numbers?No, obviously, you aren't going to be able to get rid of 100% of all guns, ever, across America. That's not realistic. But if you made it much more difficult to carry a gun, if you made the possession of certain types of guns straight-up illegal (seriously, who needs an assault rifle for home defense?), if you actually increased the efficacy of background checks, if there was just better legislation, registration and oversight across the board, then maybe you'd see fewer guns falling easily into the hands of folks who would misuse them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558036/#p558036 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @960 the point of masks isn't to stop people catching the virus, it's to stop people who have it spreading it so people that deliberately don't wear them aren't risking catchihng it, they are risking spreading it and being selfish. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558035/#p558035 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The idea that guns prevent crime is bullshit. The fact of the matter is, gun control works This is not my opinion, but an objective fact. Look at Canada, the UK, Australia etc, countries where gun ownership is highly regulated. They have nowhere near the number of gun deaths that the US has. Guns could be collected by repeeling the ammendment entirely, and making a manditory firearm surrender law. Every legal gun is tracked in government databases, and police could visit everyone's home to collect the weapons, and use force if necesary to get them. Also, the idea that people will find other ways to kill each other is bullshit too. Knives, clubs, rocks etc, have no where the accuracy or range of guns,. Fully automatic rifles are basicly murder machines. Also, you need to be seriously out of touch with reality if you think anyone stands a chance at all against the government. The government is aware of the weapons people have, and definately would have weapons that are much more powerful than those that the public has. And additionally, such a large number of people having weapons is a destabilizing force as I said. What if a portion of the public says, lets kill african americans, or lets get rid of the blind? Do you really want to be caught in the middle of that or other mass histeria? This would be much more successful due to guns, compared to if people didn't have any at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558026/#p558026 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @969, hey, I wasn't the one who came up with that, the founders did. But remember that when the constitution was founded times were very, very different. That doesn't mean that I think the 2A should be completely and utterly repealed, though. It wouldn't accomplish anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558016/#p558016 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I am fine with the second amendment. People have every right to protect themselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558015/#p558015 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ethin, I think it's fair to say that the second amendment is basically bullshit. The American government has done some atrocious things, and how many of them have been shot by citizens in the last six months? This argument is just not a good one. Americans need guns in case their government mistreats them? Get real. Their government mistreats most of them every day, and no one is getting shot.Now, I'm not advocating that every pissed-off American go on a shooting spree. Far from it. I just think the justification for this part of the constitution rings awfully fucking hollow, that's all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558010/#p558010 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @966, one of the reasons why the death count by guns is so high is because of gun control. Gun control is nice to a point, but California is the strictest state with gun control laws, and yet its also the state with the highest amount of shootings in America. See a correlation there? And to address your other point, the reason that people can create a civil war with the amount of weapons we have is if we need to overthrow the federal government for some reason. Of course, you could start a civil war over anything else (re: the civil war in the 1860s) but the original intention was that, should we need to, we can remove the government in power and replace it with a new one should it be necessary. I really hope to god that that never happens, given the weapons that humanity has today, but that was the intent. Repealing the second amendment won't change either of those points. People will still attain guns. And don't even tell me you can "take away all the guns" either because you can't -- unless you have some magical device that can somehow locate and transport over a billion guns to somewhere you can store all those guns -- and that's assuming that such a place even exists. Trust me, your idea sounds nice in theory: prevent criminals from getting the guns! Lower the death count! But... well... its kinda impossible in practice. Just consider the logistics of doing the following, then reevaluate where that idea sounds nice:Get congress to approve a bill to repeal the second amendment.Get 37 out of the 51 states (or more) to agree on the repeal.Prevent a civil war just by getting all of those states to agree in the first place (yes, that's bound to happen if you do that).And that's just the beginning. Again, your idea sounds nice in theory, but there's far too much to consider to actually make it work, some of which isn't practical to even implement, and your idea discounts the fact that should you take away guns people will just find some other way of killing each other. Not to mention you'll be removing peoples ability to defend themselves and their homes using the most effective means available. There are better ways of solving gun crime in America, and banning classes of guns because of their name (and ignoring the facts about said guns), taking away peoples right to carry weapons with them, and/or taking away all the guns are not any of those better ideas. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558007/#p558007 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @966, one of the reasons why the death count by guns is so high is because of gun control. Gun control is nice to a point, but California is the strictest state with gun control laws, and yet its also the state with the highest amount of shootings in America. See a correlation there? And to address your other point, the reason that people can create a civil war with the amount of weapons we have is if we need to overthrow the federal government for some reason. Of course, you could start a civil war over anything else (re: the civil war in the 1860s) but the original intention was that, should we need to, we can remove the government in power and replace it with a new one should it be necessary. I really hope to god that that never happens, given the weapons that humanity has today, but that was the intent. Repealing the second amendment won't change either of those points. People will still attain guns. And don't even tell me you can "take away all the guns" either because you can't -- unless you have some magical device that can somehow locate and transport over a billion guns to somewhere you can store all those guns -- and that's assuming that such a place even exists. Trust me, your idea sounds nice in theory: prevent criminals from getting the guns! Lower the death count! But... well... its kinda impossible in practice. Just consider the logistics of doing the following, then reevaluate where that idea sounds nice:Get congress to approve a bill to repeal the second amendment.Get 37 out of the 51 states (or more) to agree on the repeal.Prevent a civil war just by getting all of those states to agree in the first place (yes, that's bound to happen if you do that).If your so inclined...And that's just the beginning. Again, your idea sounds nice in theory, but there's far too much to consider to actually make it work, some of which isn't practical to even implement, and your idea discounts the fact that should you take away guns people will just find some other way of killing each other. Not to mention you'll be removing peoples ability to defend themselves and their homes using the most effective means available. There are better ways of solving gun crime in America, and banning classes of guns because of their name (and ignoring the facts about said guns), taking away peoples right to carry weapons with them, and/or taking away all the guns are not any of those better ideas. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558007/#p558007 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @966, one of the reasons why the death count by guns is so high is because of gun control. Gun control is nice to a point, but California is the strictest state with gun control laws, and yet its also the state with the highest amount of shootings in America. See a correlation there? And to address your other point, the reason that people can create a civil war with the amount of weapons we have is if we need to overthrow the federal government for some reason. Of course, you could start a civil war over anything else (re: the civil war in the 1860s) but the original intention was that, should we need to, we can remove the government in power and replace it with a new one should it be necessary. I really hope to god that that never happens, given the weapons that humanity has today, but that was the intent. Repealing the second amendment won't change either of those points. People will still attain guns. And don't even tell me you can "take away all the guns" either because you can't -- unless you have some magical device that can somehow locate and transport over a billion guns to somewhere you can store all those guns -- and that's assuming that such a place even exists. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558007/#p558007 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Just gonna leave this here. It's a long read, but it's an extremely nice companion piece to the Atlantic article I mentioned a few weeks back:https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar … re/614191/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/558002/#p558002 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ethin, note the other points I made regarding the amendment. Even if you ignore the mass purchase of guns, the sheer number of weapons in the hands of the public can basicly insure bloody civil unrest happens with scarcity of resources, or a possible civil war, or any other destabilizing event. And the United States has one of the highest firearm related death counts in the world too, which exceed even countries where there are wars going on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557870/#p557870 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @964 you are correct as far as banning guns is not going to happen and I think everyone should know how to use a gun and learn to defend them selfs if they need to do so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557827/#p557827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @961, I really don't think that coronavirus -- or the higher amount of weapon stockpiling -- is a good reason for revoking the second amendment, or any part of it. The possibility you stated may happen or it may not, but that's no reason to go "Hey, lets revoke peoples rights to carry weapons on their persons." URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557826/#p557826 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @961, I think your fear-mongering here. Your saying that guns should be banned just because of a bunch of probabilities that you can't prove will actually happen. Here's the truth: banning weapons has absolutely no effect, at all. There are more than 500 million guns in the country -- probably a lot more than that, even. You can't ban a particular class of gun, or a particular class of weaponry, period. People will still attain it. All you do is make it harder for law-abiding citizens to acquire weaponry. But your criminal won't give a damn about those supposed "bans". Your criminal, if they can't buy it from the store, will import it, get it off the black market or any number of other things. Revoking the second amendment (any part of it) because (1) COVID, (2) the amount of purcahses of weaponry has been higher than usual this year, and (3) there's this possibility that those gun owners could start killing random people for no reason is stupid. And it won't do anything. Its not actually enforceable, and its been shown that the more you try to control weaponry, the more bad things happen as a result. And if you go on the path of take away all the guns... well, your just opening the door for a bloodbath. My point is: banning guns -- or any kind of weapon -- doesn't do anything and only increases criminal activity as a result because the criminals know they can get away with more. Ultimately, if you do that, you force the citizens to rely on the police to solve all their problems with criminals. And though most people in the nation do that, many also have guns. If you take away the second amendment, you've just made it illegal for anyone in the nation to defend themselves from attackers in public -- or even at home -- using the most effective means that are available to them, and forced them to always call the police. By the time the police get there, a conflict could be over with the criminals victorious and everyone there dead. If you allowed everyone the opportunity to own a gun, and a few did, then the outcome could be a lot more favorable; by the time the police got there at least there'd be people alive trying to defend everyone else. I've seen all sorts of arguments against the second amendment and most of its just the same nonsense over and over again. And I haven't even mentioned how un-successful you'd be trying to get 3/4 of the states to agree to do it either.I don't want to politicize this topic about guns, but I had to take the bate regarding this particular problem. Back to coronavirus. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557826/#p557826 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Turtlepower, I won't chase this, but I want to say it once, and I implore you to read it and really, really give it a think.You say that you hate the electoral college, and thus you refuse to vote. What it sounds like you're saying is that your opinion doesn't matter, so why bother?You know what? I used to be almost exactly the same way. I was politically apathetic until about 2014. I was the dude who'd go, "Why bother? They're all out to screw us one way or the other". And to some extent, it's true. When you are only one of millions upon millions of votes, or if you're in an area where your vote cannot possibly make a statistical difference, then I guess I see your point.But speaking for myself, at least, I started to feel a bit better about things when I started going out to vote. for one thing, even if my vote was statistically insignificant, I began to feel like I was doing something to try and upset things I didn't like. For another thing, it's sometimes difficult to tell what might happen in a particular area. It's extremely rare that one vote makes a difference, but it's technically possible.One day a few years back, I had to stare down one cold fact, and it's this. If you try and you fail, that sucks, but if you don't try, you fail by default. If you try, you may only have a 0.0001% chance of doing something meaningful, but not trying means that chance is a hard 0. So for me, personally, I decided that even if it was terribly unlikely that I could make a difference by voting, I should do it anyway. After all, there might be another few million of us out there who couldn't be bothered, and if we can get those folks mobilized in the right direction, change might actually happen.I'm not trying to guilt you or browbeat you into doing something you don't want to do here. I recognize that you have every right to ignore what I say. But you seem like the sort of person who's gotten pretty tired of the status quo in some ways, and if you want to try and do some meaningful good, voting might be one way to do it. Your feeling of powerlessness is precisely what the Trumps of the world want. They want the helpless to feel even more helpless. They want the impoverished to be paralyzed. They want those who would rise up against them to ask how their one solitary vote could make a difference; they want you to conclude it won't, and stay silent on voting day. This is how good people can stand by and watch bad things happen at the hands of bad people. It happens everywhere, all the time, and it's even encouraged to happen by things like false reports of voting times, deliberate miscounts, and ID snags that target virtually everyone except able-bodied white men in some form or other. I know I personally started feeling better when I realized that I could be a part of the solution - or could try to be - and perhaps you'll find some of the same meaning there one day.Whatever you do decide on that score, I won't badger you on this point. I won't bring this back up unless you engage it. And I have all kinds of sympathy for the cruel wake-up call you received. That can't have been easy to deal with, but my advice is to learn from your early complacency. Take it as a mistake you made rather than one you still have to pay someone for. You made it. Learn from it (which it seems you've already done). Move on. Be more aware in the future. I'm sure you can do that. You're an intelligent woman, by all accounts, and don't seem like you'd need telling the same lesson twice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557817/#p557817 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @953. lol. another conspiracy theorist? really? Why do they have to exist? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557816/#p557816 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, if you don't want to wear one, then you should not enter any public space, or be forcibly thrown out of any such space. As for guns, literally the only other country on earth that has guns as a right as opposed to a privilidge is yemen. I really think it should be rethought whether it should be a right, to own guns. In coronavirus time, record number of guns were purchased. In a time of shortage or famine, those guns could come out, and murders could be commonplace. Everyone owning guns, or a portion of the populis owning guns presents a very powerful destabilizing force. At least there should be very strict limits. People shouldn't be able to own fucking cannons, miniguns, mortars, flamethrowers, full auto asault rifles, extended magazines etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557808/#p557808 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @959 some but not all you are saying I agree with for one Guns are a good thing to have. and if some don't want to use a mask then don't fucking force them to wear one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557800/#p557800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Unfortunatly the wear a mask or else language is the only kind understood by the vast majority of people, and therefore I hold that that should be the policy going forward. I don't think everyone is automatically deserving of respect regardless of their political beliefs. I refuse to respect people who want to revive or revear confederate symbols, people who want to hand out trillions in interest free lones to banks and corperations, and don't give a shit whether ordinary people get thrown out because they are unemployed through no fault of their own. I refuse to respect people who hold that anyone should have a fundemental right to buy, own and carry any sort of weapon. I refuse to respect a president who touted an unproven and dangerous drug, and disinfectants as coronavirus cures, and caused people to overdose and kill themselves, a president who steadfast refuses to wear a mask. etc the examples go on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557795/#p557795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Unemployment is designed to supplliment your income until you do find a job again. So the republicans do sort of have a point about the mentality. Why not look for jobs. We live in a land of opportunity and yet some people do feel they can make more by not working. You have to admit that's a problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557794/#p557794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? you all should have a look at this.https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-07- … aring-maskThey update every few hour and some governors are big time idiots for forcing what food can be bought or jail time or even attacking others who were eating food out side. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557791/#p557791 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Definitely. But, the unemployment has ended, because as usual, the government can't agree on anything because everything just *has* to be political. Nothing can be agreeable to both sides. America divides. And, woefully, neither side is right, and those who are trapped on one side or the other, just shout and ring their hands at each other and nothing gets done, while China and Russia just laugh. They don't even have to do much to get us all riled up. Just ship over a few bricks, some seeds to see how we do, and we're all up in arms at each others' throats again.I mean, even on the masks thing, there's the side that says they won't wear a mask because ma freedom, and there's the side that says you must obey, wear a mask or else. We can't just be peaceable and quiet about it and just not fight. As we become more and more lonely because of being physically apart, as we become more depressed, we should be working together, looking hard at each other's viewpoints and viewing each other as humans, as fellow people deserving of respect, not shooting down each other and treating one another like we're some lower life form. That's how Nazism took off, because to them the Jews were just about animals. And neither the Trump supporter or the Alt-Left liberal are animals. They both are humans, and should be equally treated with care and respect and warmth. Maybe with that outlook we can understand each other, smile at each other with kindness even if we vote differently and think that either justice or mercy should be emphasized in government. Do we really want to live in a world where one must hold certain believfs or be outcast? Because that will be a world in which more and more and more types of people are outcast, and I dare say that there would be a time when all of us wouldn't be left, or right, enough to be acceptable to the "more holy than thou" crowd. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557789/#p557789 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The most disgusting part about this is how republicans are trying to push the myth that people are sitting on their asses refusing to return to work because the 600 dollars in unemployment pays them more. Firstly, those people on unemployment were fired, they didn't quit. Second, it is shameful to the billion dollar companies that would pay such pitiful wages that someone would actually get more on unemployment, and third, if someone refused to return to work, the employer would notify the state and they would lose their benefits. Its ironic how they will ask where the money comes from when it comes to sending money to ordinary citizens, or people affected by the pandemic, but they will never ask that for the trillions in bailouts for the corperations, banks, the airlines etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557786/#p557786 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I think we're seeing, more and more, that the government isn't some machine full of Investiture and can just make everything better. The government is full of people, and people can be greedy, uncaring, mean-spirited, and just plain useless as a worker. Trump just makes it look all the worse, a highlight to the corruption. Eventually, we're going to have to demystify it all: the government, media, science, all the "experts" and such. It's not magic, and I hope that one day we as a people demand answers and to actually be a part of being governed. Right now, from at least my point of view, so much of all this is just a "black box" of oats to many people. They've not been raised to check facts, do research, or anything, so they let whichever side of politics they're on guide them. Fox News, CNN, all have their slants and biases. I don't think that, as humans, we can be without bias when talking about a subject we really care about, unless we're doing technical writing, and even then we choose words based on how we feel about the subject. It's just how it is.I've so far met two people who personally have lost their jobs due to Covid. And both of them aren't well supported by the community, and definitely not by the government. It makes my formerly very conservative, stony heart break apart just imagining going without feel for days, or not having enough to feed children, and knowing that I have so much: a home, Instacart for food, steady pay from a government job. So I help them how I can, probably more than I need to, but shoot, I don't even use that much money, so it's well worth it helping at least a few people continue to freaking live while the government prances around asking Facebook and Google if they sensor conservatives, while not even giving Apple a slap on the wrist for not officially allowing side loading of apps, and not giving people the money they need to buy food, or shoot just even sending food directly. But of course, the right have their talking points, and the left have their's. Just like freaking robots, sticking to their script, predictably growling at each other but just for show.I hope that at some point, the people realize that it doesn't take a scientist, or a genius, or any of that to be President. Really, all it takes is a person with a good heart, who wants to actually freaking help instead of putting on a show. Because Republicans are stone cold with their supposed facts and rage at Democrats, and Democrats are all about passion, but they aim it at those they disagree with instead of aiming it at helping people, most of the time. Sometimes they manage to get something done, and they finally have something they can crow about for a while. But both parties are bullcrap, and I can't wait to see someone come in who actually cares. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557785/#p557785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I believe they no more than they say. It's all red tape and burocracy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557746/#p557746 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @950, no, when scientists say they don't know much about Covid they literally are telling you the truth -- they don't. We still don't know a lot about this virus, that's for sure. Yes, we have computers researching it but it will still take time. But as 951 said that doesn't mean we should take a laid-back policy to it, especially given that since we don't know much about it its more of a threat to us than it would be if we did know everything about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557744/#p557744 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Just because you don't know everything doesn't mean you should take a really lax laid back attitude. It should be the opposit in fact, especially when you have millions of lives on your hands. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557728/#p557728 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The media around where I live certainly never downplayed anything. They wanted people to be locked in fear. And when these so called scientists are saying "oh, we don't understand this thing" they're full of it. We understand all viruses and creating the shot for it is the same. The synthesis and analysis has only gotten better thanks to research provided by computing power. Something bad is afoot. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557722/#p557722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @948I wouldn't oversimplify socialism. Everything I've seen suggests that it doesn't scale up like you'd think. It can be done at scale, but it doesn't seem to work out as $x per citizen no matter how many citizens you have.Also cost of housing is complicated too, being as what happens with that is that it's about how many people want to live somewhere more than anything.You're an oil and natural gas producer. This makes fuel cheap, but at the cost of what is likely to be some rather big problems over the next 30 to 40 years. There are other countries--I believe Norway is one--that are able to pull socialism-like policies off because of oil, and it will be interesting as in interesting times over the next while, being as oil is now at a place where it is going to become fundamentally devalued.I think the U.S. could use some socialistic policies, but just, it's not so simple as waving a magic wand and saying hey U.S. get your shit together and decide you want it. Deciding we wanted it as a country would go a good way toward it, but not as far as it needs to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557532/#p557532 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I think in the earlies the media here tried to promote fear into people, because they basically went ahead and say that 32000 people would die, and half a million would be infected. Sounds like small numbers compared to the states, right? Well keep in mind our population is around 1.5 million, so they basicallly said a third of our population would be down, and around .5 of our population would die. Again, sounds small, right? But again. Take iinto account the number of people who wouldn't take the time to do that math, or the ignorant over scared people. Even as cases start springing back up, they're trying to promote an Anti-Venezuelan agenda, as it is believed that illegal migrants are bringing the virus here. I agree its a threat, but I think the media here is trying to scare everyone.Oh, and in reality, only 8 people died, and its questionable whether or not the virus caused it, as most of them had sevear pre-existing conditions.Now, elections are just around the corner, and I'm worried. You see, currently, the PNM, or People's National Movement is in power, but I'm worried, that if the Opposition party, the United National Congress comes into office, the virus would run rampant. You see, the opposition leader, is a mini-Trump, to summarise. She demanded we open the borders, 2 months ago, she said that the sun is the reason the virus didn't thrive, and neglected our Prime Minister's measures, and in the earlies, she voted no to the Prime Minister's request to talk to the people in the parliiment about the virus. So with those things considered, I'm just pretty worried that I won't have the ability to go to KFC if she comes back into play. Mind you, she has decent views about other issues. Her party is more left than the current PNM administration, so she's all into big spending. She had a land for the landless programme, she gave away free laptops and she wants to bring those programmes back. I forgot to mention she was Prime minister from twenty ten to 15.Oh, that also ties into how socialism can work. We only have a GDP of around 35 Billion US dollars, and god forbids the priice of oil tanks its down to 15 Billion, and we have free primary, secondary and post secondary education. Free healthcare, we have cheap ass water and electriiciity. I think its around 2 US cents per litre or so, could be more, but its still dog cheap. We have housing, for as low as a hundred TT dollars. You can convert that if you want, oh, and that house is in a suburban neighbourhood mind you, and many more programmes, including the afformentioned free laptops to all students, which is around 12 thousand laptops per year, there's free land, there's small business grants, etc etc. So America that spends a trilliion dollars on defense alone can more than damn well afford to take care of their people. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557508/#p557508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @943For what it's worth, we know for 100% certainty that immunity lasts at least 5 months, and every day that goes by without definitely documented second infections is one more day on that number. Everything so far w.r.t. reinfection has been attributed to errors in testing and such a small case number that it's safe to disregard it as not real. It's almost certainly going to last much longer than that anyhow, when scientists say "we don't know", they don't mean "We don't know and it's bad", they literally just mean we don't know. Everything reputable I've seen suggests that it will be long lasting immunity once the vaccine exists, but they can't say that because the cost of being wrong if that turns out not to be the case is stupendously bad.@945The media has been downplaying it consistently. Every time the media says "Experts say it can't get this bad" it goes ahead and gets that bad. Being as most of the media coverage until very recently has been continuously "It can't get worse, we promise" followed by it getting worse, I'm not sure how that's pumping fear into anything.Of course the worst part is, the media has been repeating experts. And those experts were right, and if this had been literally any other developed country we'd not be where we are now. But Trump fucked it up repeatedly, and even now that he's following the script somewhat he can't actually just follow the script for more than a few days at a time. SO, welcome to 2020, your real life reality tv show as government. Worked out so well for all of us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557504/#p557504 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Noone is pumping fear into anyone. People are glossing over it and underestimating it if anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557497/#p557497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? indeed, I don't know what I would do if I was in that situation. This virus is for real but I just don't like how the media has to pump fear into everyone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557493/#p557493 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @943 *hugs if you want them* I'm sorry. That's super heavy, and I don't know what to say other than I'm sorry and I don't judge you. That's heavy, and you're only human like the rest of us. Everyone fucks up. The good ones among us aren't the ones who don't, they're the ones who learn. That's what I tell myself, anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557236/#p557236 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The electoral college and its power is the reason I flat out refuse to vote. people give me shit about it sometimes, but I'm not going to check a box when it doesn't matter what my opinion is.Re: worrying about a significant other becoming infected and/or hospitalized, been there, done that, and it actually happened. I have alluded to this quite a few times, and the aftermath is still really raw for me. Not in terms of my partner's recovery, which, thankfully, was relatively good, all things considered, but in terms of the fact that I worry that he could potentially get it again. While it's possible that your immune system would at least be a bit more equipped to deal with a second infection, it's also possible that it would leave you more vulnerable, since we don't entirely know what the long-term effects are. So, yeah, that shit keeps me up at night too. And having the potential to lose someone you love, not just in the abstract, but as an immediate threat, that doesn't leave you when the threat passes. Maybe it would if I were a stronger person, but I simply am not. I blame myself for the fact that it happened. I was a fucking idiot, and didn't take the virus seriously when the lockdowns were starting to occur. I'm not a super religious person, but I was definitely raised to emphasize all the hellfire and brimstone bits of Christianity over all else, so I tend to believe that God is quick to punish, much like a domineering parent. I wouldn't know anything about that, either, but I digress. Anyway, I truly believe that I was given a wake up call, and that's my cross to bear. At least the whole thing about God not giving one more than they can handle in their life must be true, because I wouldn't fucking be here if anything worse had happened. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557228/#p557228 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Yes definately. SSI also counts non-cash assistance a recepient gets, such as food, or rent etc. SSDI only will look at work related income, not other forms of income, or assets. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557212/#p557212 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @940I'm not saying it's great. But compared to SSI it's amazing, and if I understand things properly they count way less of your assets, i.e. the value of your possessions isn't held against you, and it's just generally closer to "here is some money". URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557208/#p557208 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Actually Camlorn, even SSDI, though much better than SSI in terms of restrictions and requirements, is terrible compared to the payout of disability insurance in most developed countries. Also, the defenition of disability social security uses is the strictest in the world according to my research. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557200/#p557200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Supposedly Florida as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557014/#p557014 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? That actually happened in Guatemala a while ago. With all the corona virus going on, some jackass decides to throw a party... Just, bad idea. If I remember correctly he ended up getting arrested. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557008/#p557008 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Here's one of several examples of what fuckers in my neck of the woods are doing. Also, lest some of you conservatives throw down and claim "Austin media, liberal!" I actually disagree with many of the stories this channel publishes, so don't dismiss it because it's from Texas' pseudo-liberal enclave:https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/1 … e-support/TLDR: Folks didn't think Corona was a big deal, had a party to flaunt that. 14 family members sick, one dead. They can't even morn the dead family member because they can't attend the funeral. This is some shit, and to those of you who refuse to mask up, fuck you brutally with a red-hot spike. Pre-emptively issuing myself a warning while not giving a fuck. I just don't get how anyone could not care about this. And I'm not saying that as a democrat wanting you to vote for my candidate, because I'm not. I'm saying that as a human being wanting you to keep the human race alive so, hopefully, we can actually do some good to make up for all the bad we've already done. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/557001/#p557001 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Yeah. I wish that were possible as well. I'd say the same for you; if you're ever up this way, hit me up or something.The good news is that statistically, most people who get sick do get better and don't die, but it's still pretty terrifying to think you or someone you love might get sick. After all, complications are semi-common, and when you can't even have faith in your own country, that's straight-up got to suck. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556989/#p556989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @934 It is, quite literally, terrifying. My girlfriend uses a wheelchair. So even though she isn't high-risk in terms of her immune system, she *is* high-risk in terms of wheelchair + hospital = all sorts of ableist complications we want to avoid. I've volunteered to take care of her should she get sick, because we don't want to infect any of her attendants. Essentially, I've volunteered to take a bullet for her.Realistically, I'll probably be OK. I'm late 30s, work out regularly, eat a reasonably healthy diet. But I'm still volunteering to roll the dice for her, because me taking care of her probably means I'll get sick.And we have an Idiot In Chief doing idiotic things. We have a dumbfuck governor doing dumb-fuck governor things. And, TBH, we have dumbfucks in this thread doing dumbfuck things. I am, quite literally, having nightmares about losing my girlfriend, her ending up in the hospital and me having to fight for her, *me* ending up in the hospital...all because so many of us, from the president down to individuals, are being fucking idiots. The infection rates both in the US and Texas are staggering, and I wish we were anywhere else. I'd love nothing more than for my girlfriend and I to get the fuck out of Texas and America, and let the idiots who want to run around without masks run around without masks until they all fall down. But that's a lot easier said than done.Anyhow, welcome to the late afternoon panic. whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com is pretty much my only source of political news these days, and I've stopped reading the ticker they headline each post with because it freaks me the hell out. I hate borders. Wish I could move to Canada, or pretty much anywhere else at this point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556985/#p556985 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I just did a really basic comparison between Canada and the United States, and it's actually sort of mind-blowing.Canada's population is roughly 37 million, and it has had approximately 118000 Covid-19 cases.The United States has a population around 331 million, and its number of cases is nearing the 5-million mark.So even if you multiplied Canada's population by 10 and used the same math to scale up its infection rate, it would be something like 37% of the American infection rate. I find that both telling and ominous.In major-league baseball, the Miami Marlins have been especially hard-hit, with eleven players and two staff (as of the writing of this post) testing positive. It's gotten so that the Marlins have effectively paused their season, and the Phillies, who played against them, have postponed two games with the New York Yankees, and have recently announced the postponement of the series with the Blue Jays they were supposed to play over the weekend.At this rate, two weeks from now I bet that the MLB 2020 season will simply be terminated. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556977/#p556977 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @932I've been monitoring the real estate market. It hasn't gone down. It probably will, soon, in my opinion. But it has so far been all right. The $600 unemployment stuff has kept things afloat, but that probably won't go on forever. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556963/#p556963 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @930, agreed. Its something like "You can only save $2000 and then we'll cut your benefits". Which is completely unrealistic because if I go and rent an apartment, its going to cost me way more than $2000.00 just to ensure that I can live reasonably comfortably -- and that's not living rich or anything either. A one-bedroom apartment is at least $600.00-$700.00 here or something like that, and that's discounting all the other bills, plus money for shopping, and then money for casual expense. My price for apartments and such might be a bit dated due to the pandemic, but still, they're pretty high. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556960/#p556960 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? aThat's why there's also the Disabled Adult Child Programme, but you only get it if one or both of your parents have died, retired, or become disabled after they've had a long-standing work history. In addition, there is the plan to achieve self-support, which I'm actually signing up for because I want to set aside some money when I start a potential business I'm working with through VR and Avita.Interestingly, my attorney said to me once that American Society has always been grossly unfair, and I don't think even a pandemic would make it fair, unless it meant the end of human civilisation as we knew it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556946/#p556946 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @928yeah, but it has weird restrictions around when/how you can get money out and you had to be blind or disabled before you turned 26 if I recall. Plus you probably need an accountant to help you figure out the withdrawals. It's better than nothing and definitely very good compared to what it used to be, but it doesn't really affect my point and they should have just raised the asset limit rather than try to monitor how you're spending your money. Plus "We are the government and you can only have money for this specific subset of things and we are watching you" is also one of the things that pushes people into angry minority groups, and with good reason.I wouldn't support infinite money to the blind or something. Due to practical reasons, not moral ones--in general I would support infinite money to everyone, UBI, etc. But it's the perfect example of what i mean about privilege. If you did work you get put in a special bucket called SSDI that's actually really good. If you didn't you get put in a bucket called SSI that sucks, told that you should get a job, and by the way if you do we're going to cut your benefits almost immediately and leave you out to dry because something something something freeloaders. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556944/#p556944 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Heh... If you think the popular vote is going to fix things, Scotland would like to know your location. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556940/#p556940 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @926 and 927, that is so very true indeed. In fact, I created a list on my blog that I am constantly updating as events take place.Also, I don't know if you know this, but the Achieve a Better Life Experience allows you to save up to a hundred thousand dollars without penalty from Social Security. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556925/#p556925 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @926 and 927, that is so very true indeed. In fact, I created a list on my blog that I am constantly updating as events take place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556925/#p556925 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @926, true. However most, people who are in power sadly don't or won't give a shit because... the way things are now, benefits them. There would have to be a complete reformation of all the systems, and only put people who didn't care for power, but for improvement. Until this happens, its highly unlikely things can start moving forward; not as long as power hungry / greedy people are in those positions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556924/#p556924 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @921I have an answer to this, actually. I don't think socialism is bad either. You can't say that in the U.S. really, because in the U.S. socialism means China or Russia, not any of the other places that are currently doing it without a problem, for example Canada, and no one here looks beyond the first two. But I'll bite, since my answer to this isn't "socialism all the way". we need the following, however we can get them:People in power who don't pick outgroups. Trump called Mexicans rapists. Republicans think that gay people should just go away and would rather this whole racism thing just vanish as well. Healthcare is considered a privilege for the working. A roof is considered a privilege for the working. If you're blind and need benefits you can't save money because wondering where your meal comes from tomorrow is also a privilege for the working. We do this all over. Maybe fixing some of it is socialism, but when everyone in power says "group x doesn't matter" or "Group y sins against god" or "Group z would be able to deal with their problems, but they're not trying hard enough", that's a good way to make people really angry and anti-establishment. If you're anything but a white christian male, there's loud and outspoken voices working hard to dismiss you all the time.Fair elections. Register people to vote automatically. Make elections national holidays. Better vote-by-mail. Get rid of the electoral college. Stop people in power from fiddling with the maps to make sure that people will vote for them by getting rid of our system where your vote matters more or less depending on where you live. Tellingly, Trump and the entire Republican party are against all of this, or at least they are by enough that even noncontroversial things like national holidays for election day which could be pushed through and universally praised don't get the time of day. Until some or all of this happens there's no consequence for being unpopular as long as you're not unpopular in 6 or 7 states and you can just ignore most of the country.Judge term limits. The U.S. is supposed to be 3 equal branches of government, but in practice it's almost a dictatorship. Whoever gets all the judicial seats wins well beyond their turn in congress, by something like 50 years. This should be reformed. Rather than deciding on how things will be for the next 5-10 years, every election that involves the supreme court decides how it will be for the next 30-40 years at least, if not longer. And everyone forgets about all the other lifetime judges that never come up that just quietly get nominated. The judicial branch has more power than anyone else now, because that's where the buck stops. That puts a hell of a lot of consequence in something that shouldn't have that much consequence in it, if we're all going to say "You voted for the opposite party, but we can still be friends", votes need to not count for literally the rest of your life if they're made in the wrong election. At the moment some elections count on the order of electing a king, and there's no way to go oops we made a mistake as a country and go back on it later unless we can decide to flat out amend the constitution.Finally, figure out how to do projects that take longer than 4 years. When congress flips, everything gets thrown out. Fixing health caer for example is probably a 10 year initiative. But you only get 4 years to do it in, 8 if you're super super lucky, then the next group comes in and tears it all down. Other things, for example investing in infrastructure, are 20 to 30 year projects and you see no benefit until they're done. Police reform without throwing things out and starting over is also probably longer than 4 years. Until we start fixing this one, we'll keep having protests and direct action and such, only to take a couple steps forward and then stop because the political will isn't there to finish it. I don't know how to fix this one. I suspect it's more procedural than anything, for instance making bills only be about one topic, so that you can pass all the things everyone agrees on.But I don't think it's reasonable to start from "there is no answer". There's a lot of answers. If everyone in power all said "It's time to fix politics, never mind my personal power", it could be done really, really quickly. The problem with these answers, though, is that we're stuck in a place where the only thing that gets you voters is big and flashy social signalling. Facts don't even matter anymore. Hell, look at this thread. You get to just pick whatever supposed facts you like. We don't teach critical thinking anymore really. People, now, don't seem to understand that the world is a material place, and it's debatable whether there are even absolute truths. So I doubt any of this will happen, at least, not until it's too late and the U.S. is a giant dumpster fire. It's a
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? According to a Bloomberg article I read this morning, approximately thirty million Americans went without food last week. For a country as supposedly developed and on the cutting edge as America is supposed to be, that's insane. To put this in perspective, that's approximately nine to ten percent of the population. Isn't that nuts?I mean, yeah, we're going through a pandemic here, but when you have literally thousands of tons of food being wasted because it rots, that's just disgusting. Don't let anybody tell you there isn't enough food. There simply isn't enough infrastructure to get it where it needs to go.Source:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … W0oIWGHRxc URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556848/#p556848 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? According to a Forbes article I read this morning, approximately thirty million Americans went without food last week. For a country as supposedly developed and on the cutting edge as America is supposed to be, that's insane. To put this in perspective, that's approximately nine to ten percent of the population. Isn't that nuts? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556848/#p556848 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @921 Right, you're not going to get an answer that you like. For my part, I don't identify with a party. Rather, I think our systems are so fundamentally broken that we'll need to see a fundamental shift or we'll be forced through one. I won't argue that point--I'm content to let Corona do that for me (as content as anyone can be with a global pandemic, at least.) When you've got crops rotting on the vine because the infrastructure to sell them is crumbling, and hungry people who can't get food for lack of green paper, that's not a problem a Democrat (or any party in the current system) will fix. That's going to involve a lot of pain on all sides, a lot of hand-wringing, and maybe some unrest before folks realize they've had enough and start coming up with their own solutions.For my part, I do what I can to adopt and encourage those solutions wherever possible, even when it isn't convenient for me. Right now I live in a cooperatively-run apartment complex. While local slumlords are doing awful things to their tenants, who are only spared eviction by local moratoriums, we're actively seeking and distributing funds for rent relief. I have a mailing list of neighbors I can reach out to whenever I need help with something. It's been annoying as hell to live here in the past--imagine having the kinds of drama you sometimes get here in your own front yard--but I know dozens of my neighbors and we're all trying to run this thing well together. My alternative is that we collectively make these types of choices. If we don't, Corona is just going to wipe many or most of us out. And nothing anyone can say will change that in the slightest. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556846/#p556846 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? That's the thing. You won't get an answer that suits you. Because I'm a democratic socialist. I think this is exactly what we need. I'd take a center-leaning-left democrat if no other alternative came up. My own prime minister is a bit left of center, as a liberal, and Biden is a bit left of center as a democrat. These aren't ideal.Because here's the thing. We've been bouncing between center and right for years uncounted. Things just keep getting worse. We need a change. And I think a leftward swing - a slow one, not an extreme one - needs to happen.Look at countries like Sweden and Denmark. No, they aren't perfect, but they offer a lot of things that frankly should be universal and aren't. They're still technically capitalist, but they are fairly left-leaning in most ways, and I think it's time we gave that a try.Remember: socialism isn't a dirty word, not on its own. When you have authoritarian socialism - that's where information is suppressed, rights are still ignored and everyone except the ruling elite gets the shaft)...that's, not actually socialism, folks. Not really. It's the premise of socialism twisted by greed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556840/#p556840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I ask those of you who have so many complaints the following question. What is your alternative solution? I for one am right smack dab in the middle be it a little left leaning. I don't want a bunch of crazy conservatives running things and I don't want socialism. So over to you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556839/#p556839 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? To be perfectly fair, there were republicans who might have been willing to go through with it, and there were democrats who wanted Trump gone by any means. Those groups weren't the norm, but they did exist.The general situation was that most republicans felt that they couldn't very well kick Trump out without severely damaging their party, so they were unwilling to commit. And most democrats felt that while any one of Trump's choices might not have been bad enough to call fnr an impeachment, the whole picture was more than justified.But because there were more republicans than democrats in the picture, all it took was the republicans standing together to essentially deny legal precedent.We need an impeachment process that is as neutral as it can get. No rabid "get him out now!" from democrats, no "we must protect the party" from republicans. Just an honest assessment and processing of facts, and a decision rendered. But American politics is really, really broken.Ditto Canadian politics, by the way. Ours might be a -little better, but it's still pretty fucked up. The whole idea of first-past-the-post is antiquated and just serves to prop up entrenched power structures. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556830/#p556830 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? No, there was evidence. The process was just partisan to the extreme. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556829/#p556829 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I always thought the impeachment didn't go through because of lack of evidence... The fact the government can be above the law, as it were... scary indeed. Then again i'm not a US citizen so... but it is scary nonetheless. I mean the implications of this... but yeah. I always thought the impeachment of trump failed because of lack of evidence. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556821/#p556821 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Hillary wasn't great. Trump was fucking dangerous. I'm not saying Hillary would've been a great choice - hammer and anvil indeed - but I daresay she would have been way better than Trump. It's silly to claim that Hillary is corrupt when Trump has been far, far worse, and showed signs even early on.Hell, just look at what happened when they tried to impeach Trump. It failed. It didn't fail because there was no good grounds. It failed because republicans supported their president, and there were enough of them to block it. Basically proves that the government can effectively thwart the law, which scares the hell out of me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556804/#p556804 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? And that's kind of a problem. If the electoral college is the one who makes the final decision, or counts the votes; they could always resort to doing what they did last election, shifting the votes so that, so and so wun, and the public would be... kind of, none the wiser. Just goes to show that supposed, freedom, to vote, etc, is nothing more than a illusion. If the ones who count the votes, or the system that does said task is manipulated, etc... The scales of who wun or lost can be turned in any direction they wish. We saw it happen in 2016; it happened once; who's to say it won't happen again; public voting be dammed? I mean, if they didn't fully trust democracy and they put the electoral college to balance things out... You do realise that despite your vote, in this instance, the final decision rests, on the shoulders of, a: a group of individuals who can shift things around to suit their own interest, despite what people's votes might say to the contrary, or, b: a system that can be tweeked to suit one or the other? It just seems... To me at least, untrustworthy, but that's just me. anyway. As far as the comment that mentioned the president having imunity and passing through scrutiny... In my country we did overthrow a president, and yes, he had immunity from the start, as all presidents. Its a long story, but he got over-throne for corruption, amung other stuff. So yes, even though a president has imunity and is typically above scrutiny; it can and has, happened before. I mean, if, we where to go by statistics in the last election, Hilary would've won. That's going by statistics. Troubles is, or was, between hilary and trump... that's beeing between the anvil and hammer; both choices where, let's be honest, bad. Granted one worse than the other, the worse beeing hilary, as the clinton administration was... corrupt, for lack of a better word, but that asside, neither of the options was good. Not even decent for that matter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556738/#p556738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? And that's kind of a problem. If the electoral college is the one who makes the final decision, or counts the votes; they could always resort to doing what they did last election, shifting the votes so that, so and so wun, and the public would be... kind of, none the wiser. Just goes to show that supposed, freedom, to vote, etc, is nothing more than a illusion. If the ones who count the votes, or the system that does said task is manipulated, etc... The scales of who wun or lost can be turned in any direction they wish. We saw it happen in 2016; it happened once; who's to say it won't happen again; public voting be dammed? I mean, if they didn't fully trust democracy and they put the electoral college to balance things out... You do realise that despite your vote, in this instance, the final decision rests, on the shoulders of, a: a group of individuals who can shift things around to suit their own interest, despite what people's votes might say to the contrary, or, b: a system that can be tweeked to suit one or the other? It just seems... To me at least, untrustworthy, but that's just me. anyway. As far as the comment that mentioned the president having imunity and passing through scrutiny... In my country we did overthrow a president, and yes, he had immunity from the start, as all presidents. Its a long story, but he got over-throne for corruption, amung other stuff. So yes, even though a president has imunity and is typically above scrutiny; it can and has, happened before. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556738/#p556738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? And that's kind of a problem. If the electoral college is the one who makes the final decision, or counts the votes; they could always resort to doing what they did last election, shifting the votes so that, so and so wun, and the public would be... kind of, none the wiser. Just goes to show that supposed, freedom, to vote, etc, is nothing more than a illusion. If the ones who count the votes, or the system that does said task is manipulated, etc... The scales of who wun or lost can be turned in any direction they wish. We saw it happen in 2016; it happened once; who's to say it won't happen again; public voting be dammed? I mean, if they didn't fully trust democracy and they put the electoral college to balance things out... You do realise that despite your vote, in this instance, the final decision rests, on the shoulders of, a: a group of individuals, or, b: a system that can be tweeked to suit one or the other? It just seems... anyway. As far as the comment that mentioned the president having imunity and passing through scrutiny... In my country we did overthrow a president, and yes, he had immunity from the start, as all presidents. Its a long story, but he got over-throne for corruption, amung other stuff. So yes, even though a president has imunity and is typically above scrutiny; it can and has, happened before. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556738/#p556738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? And that's kind of a problem. If the electoral college is the one who makes the final decision, or counts the votes; they could always resort to doing what they did last election, shifting the votes so that, so and so wun, and the public would be... kind of, none the wiser. Just goes to show that supposed, freedom, to vote, etc, is nothing more than a illusion. If the ones who count the votes, or the system that does said task is manipulated, etc... The scales of who wun or lost can be turned in any direction they wish. We saw it happen in 2016; it happened once; who's to say it won't happen again; public voting be dammed? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556738/#p556738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @912 Wait, I assumed that was required viewing for any moderators here. My mistake. *ducks and runs* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556736/#p556736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @913, the answer is simple: the framers of the constitution didn't trust a full democracy. You can find more info here: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-r … al-college URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556733/#p556733 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ok, so trump did lose the popular vote by a large margin. But why does the Unıted States have an electoral college? No other country has such a system in the elections. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556730/#p556730 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Idiocracy, eh? Now you have me curious.Edited to say that I looked it up and laughed. Hard. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556724/#p556724 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Idiocracy, eh? Now you have me curious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556724/#p556724 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Christ, I couldn't ever bring myself to watch Idiocracy. Maybe that's because at some level, I recognized that it was a horror and not a comedy.It is for similar reasons that, perhaps, I should stay away from this topic.No more elaboration on this post ever shall be given. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556721/#p556721 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I would not trust any state during a pandemic because they have every reason to hide the truth and keep everyone working for as long as possible. FYI. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556716/#p556716 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @906Criticizing people in office is how they end up not getting re-elected. If we didn't they'd always just get all the votes.Also he lost the popular vote by millions and only got in because of the electoral college, so any legitimacy you might give him is really only based on technicalities. Which to be honest is even more embarrassing for him given that if the fake voters he likes to claim exists actually existed they could have made sure Clinton won the electoral college hands down just by shifting a fraction of the millions of fraudulent votes to the right states and not bothering with the rest. So, sigh. Here we are. Thank you to our forefathers for not understanding the internet and thinking that lifetime appointments can't be a problem because everyone dies at 50. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556715/#p556715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Kjsisco, I don't believe that being in the White House, or in any other office for that matter, guarantees you respect or makes you immune to criticism, scrutiny or even sanction, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556710/#p556710 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? kjsisco, I disagree. By standing with such a man or helping to further any of his endeavors, you are supporting what he stands for. It's that simple. And is the stuff you read about Emmanuel just not enough to convince you this isn’t a person we want in the fight to stop the coronavirus? You should go back and read the last few posts as well as the links from Jade. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556701/#p556701 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? kjsisco, I disagree. By standing with such a man or helping to further any of his endeavors, you are supporting what he stands for. It's that simple. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556701/#p556701 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? First of all, it's okay not to like Trump but don't you think it is a tiny bit foolish to attack people who he backs or that back him. I'm not a trump fan but I believe in fareness. Now that that's out of the way I will address the don't need masks thing. Trump isn't pushing this really. Yes, he did say it in passing but nobody really seemed to take that seriously so who did his stupid comment hurt? It's a shame that people are using these harsh times as a way to bash the president. Who else would you have put in his place at this point? Trump is in the Whitehouse. I don't like it but I sure as hell can't change it. When it comes down to voting, just don't vote for him. I sure won't be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556697/#p556697 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Let me trot out some reasons.1. Trump is right wing; America's Frontline Doctors is directly funded by the Tea-Party Patriots, who are also right-wing.2. Immanuel is touting the "don't wear masks, everybody will be fine" line, which is something Trump has tried really hard to get folks to believe (you know, by wearing masks something like two whole times since this got going).3. Immanuel is arguing in favour of the very same drug Trump was trying very hard to lobby for. The one where the FDA gave emergency authorization to use, then rescinded that authorization when multiple studies proved that the drug was not worth its risks.Because it's Trump, any one of those ideas all by itself would probably be enough to get his support. Since she rang the cherries three times, the man was just about salivating to sing her praises...then very comically ended up with his foot buried so deep in his mouth that he had to leave a press conference. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556686/#p556686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Trump is digging his own grave. I thought before that his chances for reelection were, and are; slim at best, but who knows, really. We'll have to wait and see...@ jayde. Even if she sort of, has trump's backing, one has to wonder, why. Why is she beeing backed by trump. Granted not a lot; but still. That's a question which would be worth finding out, I mean, if trump is backing her, it is because of one reason or another, its not just, because, i'm backing her because. There is a reason behind this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556655/#p556655 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Trump is digging his own grave. I thought before that his chances for reelection were, and are; slim at best, but who knows, really. We'll have to wait and see... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556655/#p556655 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Trump is digging his own grave. I thought before that his chances for reelection were, and are; slim at best, but who knows, really. We'll have to wait and see. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556655/#p556655 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? He's hung either way.Either he knew exactly who she was, and is now just trying to cover his ass by lying. Or, he really didn't know who she was, didn't really watch the video but merely shared it because of where it came from, and he's a moron for lending support to someone whose bonna fides he didn't even attempt to verify.There is no good outcome for Donald Trump on this...except one. If the American people decide, for the hundred and forty-second time or so, that the truth is just too damned inconvenient, they can ignore it, and can pretend that their president is doing an admirable job at representing his office. If that happens, of course, Mr. Trump will once again prove that the office of the president is virtually immune to scrutiny. And let me tell you, that's fucking terrifying to me. Sounds a whole lot like some other fascists I could name, actually. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556649/#p556649 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Trump has claimed on a few occasions that he has never heard of a person when asked about them. And on many of these occasions, it has been revealed that he indeed knew of the person. So it’s a possibility that he did know who she is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/556645/#p556645 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
