Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @41: Yeah, it works well in Powerpoint, but netter seem to be able to do this in Word. Well, NVDA couldn't even see the images. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519432/#p519432 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I've recently found that on my MacBook Pro 2016 with it's AMD Radeon Graphics card, with JAWS installed on a bootcamp drive, performance is severely, severely degraded thanks to it's graphics driver it uses. Uninstalling JAWS, and the performance goes right back to how it should. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519226/#p519226 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @Munawar I only ask because I'm writing PHP in NP++ and again, I wasn't getting those announcements while it may have actually been working or other equivalents to NP++ have it working out of the box. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519090/#p519090 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts devinprater wrote:So, I got the free sponsored version of JAWS, active until June 30th or so, and found that yes, JAWS could tell where the pictures are. It couldn't tell me if the pictures overlap with text, but at least I got my work done.could you provide a bit more detail into this? it can come in handy when setting a document signature for example.In regards to this, I have never had to do such work and doubt I will... but I remember when doing some slideshows a few years back when using powerpoint, NVDA did tell you if you were overlapping with text and so on, but of course visual help was the best because there were cases in which what NVDA reported was just totally wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518917/#p518917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts Hi DJEPIC,I've never played around with the formatting options in NVDA since I find them to be annoying without the message voice that JAWS has.The only things I use Notepad++ for are _javascript_ and Python. I rely on the compilers or runtime environments to give me syntax error messages, so I've never had the benefit of syntax highlighting to really say if it's useful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518823/#p518823 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @Munawar, I realise this is a little off-topic but I figured I could ask this here anyway. When coding with NP++, does NVDA read syntax highlighting info? This is assuming that this works out of the box with a saved file in a supported format. I've adjusted NVDA preferences so that things like face, size and colour announce automatically upon the navigation of the document and I haven't adjusted any NP++ settings but formatting isn't being read. This is also assuming that this would be useful as a blind coder in the first place as I have only worked with sighted coders in the past. Is syntax highlighting really that useful? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518765/#p518765 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I like that we're actually having a civil discussion about this for once, instead of this deteriorating into a flame war that results in the topic's closing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518548/#p518548 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts So, I had to use JAWS a few days ago because PDF's are awful but everyone uses them and I was asked to make them read better. So, after buying Adobe whatever Pro to convert them with the "standard" tools and not just free software that obviously doesn't know as much about PDF as Adobe, converting them to word format, and opening them in Word, I found that NVDA did not know where the images in the file are.In my line of work, and indeed, in life, I'm finding that I don't have time for sentimental loyalty to one brand, or even one ideology when it comes to software. So, I gritted my teeth and felt sorry for the pain I would inflict upon my poor $500 computer which, even though it does have 8 GB of RAM, I suspect its CPU isn't as well endowed. Perhaps I could get Endowment (https://coppermind.net/wiki/Endowment) to give a breath or two to it? So, I got the free sponsored version of JAWS, active until June 30th or so, and found that yes, JAWS could tell where the pictures are. It couldn't tell me if the pictures overlap with text, but at least I got my work done.I am not, of course, abandoning NVDA. I will just about always use that. But goodness, especially in document editing, JAWS simply works better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518376/#p518376 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts Hi.I'm an NVDA user and have been for quite a few years now but I think JAWS is more customisable in the options you can change.However; it's expencive and over here in the UK; we don't have that pay each month for JAWS thing.I will say this about NVDA, it does all I need it to do and the only way I'd go back to JAWS is if I had to for testing a site for some reason or it was free/cost a lot less than it does. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518029/#p518029 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts And being able to go to the top or bottom with control plus 1 or 7, for someone wth more severe Cerebral Palsy or something similar, is very handy. As not all people can do control plus FN and their arrow keys. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518026/#p518026 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @18,Unfortunately, not all computers have a home key, but may have a numpad.And you can't do for example, control plus numpad 7 to go to the top, or control numpad 1 to go to the bottom. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518024/#p518024 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts And being able to go to the top or bottom with control plus 1 or 7, for someone wth more severe Cerebral Palsy or something similar, is very handy. As not all people can do control plus capslock and their arrow keys. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518026/#p518026 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @18,Unfortunately, not all computers have a home key, but may have a numpad.And you can't do for example, control plus numpad 7 to go to the top, or control numpad 1 togo to the bottom. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/518024/#p518024 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts Once golden cursor was a thing, I never went back to jaws. Hotspot clicker was very cool though.BTW, does anyone know why NVDA does not read the sheets toolbar in excel, when you press f6? It's annoying, and they never fix it for some reason, URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517988/#p517988 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @29: notepad++, not notepad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517960/#p517960 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I use both screen readers at equal levels. Nor JAWS nor NVDA crash on my computer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517903/#p517903 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts funny, I could never have a grasp on window eyes and had to use it for about a year. It seemed so odd that I ended up putting NVDA in a USB stick and use that. This was when version 0.5 alfa was released, way back in 2007 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517881/#p517881 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I write all of my assignments for college in notepad first, because it's an old habit and notepad is extremely lightweight. I then transfer over to Word when I want to make a final copy.I have never, not even once, had the Jaws issue you mention in notepad. When it crashes, it's usually on a website. Notepad works like a dream. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517855/#p517855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts i used jaws as my very first screen reader back in the old days when i was learning about computers and stuf, whenever i had a new computer or reformatted i installed both nvda and jaws because each of them has it's uses for me, i haven't payed a single doller for this program, 1000 sdollers here is enough to buy something 50 times worth then a jaws activation license, i've always used nvda but i never, never prefered any of them obove the other because i like them bothin the past, i used to see jaws a little bit slow and unresponsive, but i changed my mind 3 years ago, now nvda became somehow slow in windows startup, and slow in some of my friends computers here in algeria wich i happened to install it for them, although there computers are perfectly fine and in agood shapei never honestly experienced this problem before until 2 years ago URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517835/#p517835 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
2020-04-09
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts If you don't have a home and end key, you can use FN and the left and right arrow keys as home and end respectively. They also work fine on both documents and webpages. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517828/#p517828 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @ post 13:I did meant to say that it did works during my normal offline use, but the command does not work within the web browser. but really, I think I ate the word "Not" somewhere in that line. sorry for the confusion.Also, I am using a laptop, so in this case the numpad keys 1 and 7 become end and home keys respectively. But it still doesn't work for me.For anyone wondering: I am using chrome as my browser. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517825/#p517825 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I've actually never used that or Super Nova. How are they? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517791/#p517791 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @23 that should seriously be adopted by all screen readers. The actual Braille symbols exist, so why not use them?And also, true point. Had I not been given JAWS for free from my Vocational Rehabilitation center (good computer notwithstanding), I would have deffinitely gone with NVDA had that been my only option. I agree with your sentiment about it sort of being down to preference, Jaidon.A little off topic, but I did not like using the PC when I was in elementary school. On those computers, they had Window Eyes, and it never seemed to work well at all. I just didn't like it. I would like to know if my child perceptions were getting in the way of it being a good screenreader, or if it was actually bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517779/#p517779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts When using JAWS, I agree that it is slightly more efficient navigating Microsoft Word documents than NVDA, but there are a number of things that JAWS does within its braille support that are very poor supports indeed (in my opinion). Some of these are indications of formatting. No matter if something is bolded, underlined or italicized, JAWS uses dots 7 and 8 (dots that are not normally used, especially in the United States) to indicate all those types of formatting. Even though you may put dots 4-5 followed by 2 to indicate bold, they intermingle with dots 7 and 8, and therefore make it very hard to discern what’s going on with a block of formatted text. You could press Jaws key+f of course, but it is much faster to read a formatting change in Braille. Also, when it comes to mathematical content, JAWS is woefully inadequate for reading high-level mathematical and scientific equations. I am currently a college student taking intro-level Chemistry, and the reading of these equations by a screen-reader is required since my textbook is online. NVDA, however, reads math content smoothly and flawlessly, even displaying it as Nemeth content on my braille display.So in short, I think JAWS should stay around for some things, but I definitely only use it as a secondary screen-reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517773/#p517773 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @21, you're correct: JAWS hardly ever crashes. But what me and @20 are referring to is that JAWS will stop reading certain windows. For example, I see this problem in Notepad++ a lot.JAWS will read the editor fine in one instant, then suddenly when you switch back to Notepad++ the arrow keys do nothing.You have to restart JAWS to get it to read the window again.So it's not necessarily that it's crashing--it hardly ever does--but that it's functionality is neither consistent nor reliable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517733/#p517733 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I've been using Jaws 2018 since, well, 2018. I've had it crash a couple of times - four or five - but I just restart it and it's fine. The screenreader, not the entire machine.But that's...literally about it. I'm one of the lucky ones, I guess. Jaws doesn't regularly crash on me, and it doesn't lag, either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517726/#p517726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts Some responses:@10,Yes I have the add on installed, but braille input still seems clunky. It could just be me experiencing that. @14,I have started noticing JAWS stop speaking as well. I don't think JAWS is quite as reliable as it used to be.To be honest, if I couldn't pick up JAWS for $90 a year, I would use NVDA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517711/#p517711 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @Chris, Yes, that is definitely an option. I've seen it in a what's new document before.@Jaidon Of the Caribbean, I'm not sure what you mean in regards to Android users not taking advantage of Android's options. You may have seen forums wheree this takes place, but thankfullly, I haven't. Not yet at least. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517694/#p517694 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts Oh and NVDA works fine when reeading code. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517691/#p517691 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.Freedom Scientific is a monopolist?Jeez leweez. I had to use jaws the other day to clean up my NVDAremote, and personally I found it less responsive than NVDA. In fact, I haven't used jaws in such a long time I forgot all the commands. People who say things like NVDA's top to bottom gesture doesn't work are people who doesn't know about NVDA. I actually laughed when I heard that one, because I use that feature a hel of a lot on this forum. Personally, I think it truly comes down to preference. Because they're basically the same. I have a friend whose loaded. I mean loaded with cash. The guy spent close to 50K TT in accessibiity from FS. I told him about NVDA and he was like, "really? Hmmm-hmmm. How very interesting"RReading one of the posts in this topic made me think of Apple Vs. Android. You know how people say, "with android I have so much options!" And they usualy don''t do anything with those features? Its the opposite here. People actually uses NVDA's feature to their advantage URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517690/#p517690 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts The changes to the way NVDA handles speech in 2019.3 should allow for these kinds of changes in the near future. I refuse to use JAWS as a manner of principle and because I despise Vispero and their business practices. Purchasing and merging with all their commercial competition in the United States is not cool at all! They have a lovely monopoly going because of it. I'd much rather use NVDA and support the life-changing work going on rather than dealing with activation issues and supporting a company that cares more about their bottom line than the users they claim to want to help. Where's the JAWS annual program for people outside of the United States? Where's a more affordable JAWS annual plan for some of the business features like Remote Desktop and Tandem Direct support?Jayde, the blank line thing might be a JAWS setting. As I understand it, JAWS has an option to eliminate blank lines from web content. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517686/#p517686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts The changes to the way NVDA handles speech in 2019.3 should allow for these kinds of changes in the near future. I refuse to use JAWS out of principle and because I despise Vispero and their business practices. Purchasing and merging with all their commercial competition in the United States is not cool at all! They have a lovely monopoly going because of it. I'd much rather use NVDA and support the life-changing work going on rather than dealing with activation issues and supporting a company that cares more about their bottom line than the users they claim to want to help. Where's the JAWS annual program for people outside of the United States? Where's a more affordable JAWS annual plan for some of the business features like Remote Desktop and Tandem Direct support? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517686/#p517686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts The changes to the way NVDA handles speech in 2019.3 should allow for these kinds of changes in the near future. I refuse to use JAWS out of principle and because I despise Vispero and their business practices. Purchasing and merging with all their commercial competition in the United States is not cool at all! They have a lovely monopoly going because of it. I'd much rather use NVDA and support them rather than dealing with activation issues and supporting a company that cares more about their bottom line than the users they claim to want to help. Where's the JAWS annual program for people outside of the United States? Where's a more affordable JAWS annual plan for some of the business features like Remote Desktop and Tandem Direct support? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517686/#p517686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts The changes to the way NVDA handles speech in 2019.3 should allow for these kinds of changes in the near future. I refuse to use JAWS out of principle and because I despise Vispero and their business practices. Buying all their commercial competition in the United States is not cool! I'd much rather use NVDA and support them rather than dealing with activation issues and supporting a company that cares more about their bottom line than the users they claim to want to help. Where's the JAWS annual program for people outside of the United States? Where's a more affordable JAWS annual plan for some of the business features like Remote Desktop support? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517686/#p517686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts How difficult would it be to theoretically have add-ons compiled for JAWS features that NVDA doesn't have? Things like different voice for events. We've already got profiles, so why don't we take that to the next level? I only ask because I have no idea what it's like to develop and support an NVDA add-on. In terms of performance, is there something that NV Access can work on to improve this? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517671/#p517671 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I agree with op re: message voice. It's one of the features I miss ever since I switched to NVDA a few years ago. It makes it so easy to tell what's on screen and what is extra screen-reader feedback. It helps in programs like Excel. With NVDA you'll hear something like "test a1," whereas in JAWS you'll hear "test [messageVoice:a1]".Other than that, NVDA is great, far better than it used to be. I've tried playing with JAWS recently and found that it will randomly stop speaking things (how annoying is it to have Notepad++ suddenly stop reading?) And in my line of work I don't have time for these types of annoyances. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517621/#p517621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @11 what? Ctrl home and ctrl end move you to the top or bottom of the web page. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517617/#p517617 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I use JAWS as my primary screenreader because its nice, fast, snappy, logical and efficient. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517587/#p517587 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts The reason why I use JAWS is because the command to move at the top or bottum of a page works within a web browser.Meanwhile, this command does work within NVDA, but not within web pages.But I would say one thing: NVDA is more certainly more customizable than JAWS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517582/#p517582 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I totally agree about the Jaws and word processing thing. Question though.If I alt-tab out of a webpage then back again later, Jaws seems to be at the top of the webpage. Is there a way to have it remember where you were? I'm so used to NVDA doing this, so when I used Jaws again recently for the first time in probably a decade, it totally through me off. Also that skim reading feature in Jaws is kinda neat too. I'm amazed there isn't some sort of addon for this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517555/#p517555 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts swigjr23 wrote:I use JAWS as my main screen reader, and I keep NVDA around as a backup. The main thing that keeps me using JAWS, is the braille support. NVDA's braille support is good, but typing in braille in JAWS is just so smooth. NVDA feels kind of clunky.Have you tried while using the BrailleExtender NVDA add-on?https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ … er.en.html URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517535/#p517535 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I didn't realize the spell check set it to cuter; that's rather amusing. I'm having trouble hearing properly at the moment, so I heard tutor instead of what it actually put down. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517533/#p517533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts Okay. I'll look into it.Don't have a Focus display, but I would think controlling it from a BrailleNote shouldn't be *mch* different. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517531/#p517531 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @5I would take a look at the help in JAWS. Take a look at the section called BrailleIn. It talks about how to control your computer using one of the Focus displays. Also, just turning on keyboard help and pressing keys on the display can help. I don't know why they don't have a training book on it. I can help with if you have spacific questions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517525/#p517525 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @5I would take a look at the help in JAWS. Take a look at the section call Braille In. It talks about how to control your computer using one of the Focus displays. Also, just turning on keyboard help and pressing keys on the display can help. I don't know why they don't have a training book on it. I can help with if you have spacific questions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517525/#p517525 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts It's "tutor and message voice", not "cuter and message voice".Sorry, that actually made me laugh.My main issue, and the one which has me not switching to NVDA as a more primary screenreader, is that in a lot of websites I use, I prefer the way Jaws lays things out. In the game I'm developing, for instance, Jaws and chrome go together beautifully, while if you use NVDA there is blank space everywhere, and I don't know why, and I don't know how to fix it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517504/#p517504 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts @4 could you reccomend any good tutorial for braille support in JAWS? As much as I'd like to use it, I'm not sure if there's a tutorial for it. I consulted the training but couldn't find it there.Same honestly with VoiceOver on Mac regarding Braille support for me. I would use it, but the pan keys aren't set to the thumb keys like on IOS, so I'm not sure how easy and efficient it can be to getting around the system. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517496/#p517496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I use JAWS as my main screen reader, and I keep NVDA around as a backup. The main thing that keeps me using JAWS, is the braille support. NVDA's braille support is good, but typing in braille in JAWS is just so smooth. NVDA feels kind of clunky. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517493/#p517493 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts I dunno. I used NVDA for like a year (by that I'm saying that I'm a novice), and while I prefer NVDA for games and OCR and other cwithtain things, I honestly find word processing to be much smoother with JAWS, especially with Notepad and writing code. Maybe it's also because of Elloquence, so there could be that I like that better than the OneCore voices, but these are JUST MY OPINIONS, meaning that they are by no means objective. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517486/#p517486 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts its been too long since i had used jaws, a few considerations:Get a program called process lasso and please try to optimize your pc too, because switching sr's for the reason that your pc is slow really is just too unrelated of a thing, I bet at least 30% of these processes you don't need anyway. My impression with jaws before is that it did reserve a chunk of your total CPU availability to simulate a faster performance and that it did not crash, except that the very sad problem really was, or maybe still is, that ram management was quite ugly, and so was intercepting the drivers every single time. That actually screws up many things, everything from screens suddenly not being showing any kind of information, and all kinds of weird stuff with the jaws cursor and many welcome crashes.The settings you are talking about I think are part of the Speech and Sounds Schemes found in the settings center. Its nifty and all, but remember that the more sounds and stuff you have, probably the more ram jaws will use, and the more reading and fetching from disk that has to be done... in a situation like yours, where you say that you have a lot running, that might just lag unpleasantly, at least at start up or when jaws needs a sound for the first time, but that all depends on internal workings and things that its makers will never reveal. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517475/#p517475 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts
Re: I Have to Use Jaws For a Few Hours, and Here Are My Thoughts its been too long since i had used jaws, a few considerations:Get a program called process lasso and please try to optimize your pc too, because switching sr's for the reason that your pc is slow really is just too unrelated of a thing, I bet at least 30% of these processes you don't need anyway. My impression with jaws before is that it did reserve a chunk of your total CPU availability to simulate a faster performance and that it did not crash, except that the very sad problem really was, or maybe still is, that ram management was quite ugly, and so was intercepting the drivers every single time. That actually screws up many things, everything from screens suddenly not being showing any kind of information, and all kinds of weird stuff with the jaws cursor and many welcome crashes.The settings you are talking about I think are part of the Speech and Sounds Schemes found in the settings center. Its nifty and all, but remember that the more sounds and stuff you have, probably the more ram jaws will use, and the more reading and fetching from disk that has to be done... in a situation like yours, where you say that you have a lot running, that might just lag unpleasantly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/517475/#p517475 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
