Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux OK, thanks for all answers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/525024/#p525024 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux You can't. That's a limitation of the system as a hole though -- not any particular OS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524643/#p524643 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux So, those shortcuts are similar to bindings used in windows, interesting...One more question, how can i make grub talking to me via orca or speakup? My netbook is not supporting beeps made by pc speakers, and i don't no when i can select the system. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524593/#p524593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux New Key-bindingsDirect from the Ubuntu Mate 20.04 Release Notes:We updated the application launcher key-bindings, some of these have existed in Ubuntu MATE for a while:• Cycle external displays:Super + P• Lock Screen:Super + L• Screenshot a rectangle:Shift + PrintScr• Open File Manager:Super + e• Open Terminal:Super + T• Open Control Center:Super + I• Open Search:Super + S• Open Task Manager:Control + Shift + Escape• Open System Information:Super + PauseThe key-bindings compliment existing well established alternatives. So if Ctrl + Alt + T (Terminal) and Ctrl + Alt + L (Lock Screen) are ingrained in your muscle memory they are still available too. You can find all the keyboard shortcuts documented in the Getting Started section of Ubuntu MATE Welcome. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524573/#p524573 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Direct from the Ubuntu Mate 20.04 Release Notes:We updated the application launcher key-bindings, some of these have existed in Ubuntu MATE for a while:• Cycle external displays:Super + P• Lock Screen:Super + L• Screenshot a rectangle:Shift + PrintScr• Open File Manager:Super + e• Open Terminal:Super + T• Open Control Center:Super + I• Open Search:Super + S• Open Task Manager:Control + Shift + Escape• Open System Information:Super + PauseThe key-bindings compliment existing well established alternatives. So if Ctrl + Alt + T (Terminal) and Ctrl + Alt + L (Lock Screen) are ingrained in your muscle memory they are still available too. You can find all the keyboard shortcuts documented in the Getting Started section of Ubuntu MATE Welcome. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524573/#p524573 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux @23I love the Redmond layout as well. It's quite stylish! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524567/#p524567 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux @nsoft15 long time no see XD.Anyways, if it comes to linux, i personally allmost allways use mate and gnome.Have used unity, but as far as i know from sighted people its just bload.I made a manjaro talking images with a text based architect installer, so i can hand you that if you want, but you need to have atleast a little knowledge how to enable speech dispatcher with systemd and manually install orca, as the architect installer wil not doo that for you.A little offtop, but time flies so fast.Are you 18 now?Last time i remember talking with you you was 14. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524556/#p524556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Thanks, this command really helped me. Can i disable something yet related to visual effects? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524375/#p524375 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Try thisOpen a terminal and type this and hit entermate-panel --reset --layout netbookThat will get you on the netbook layout. I personally use the Redmond layout myself but I'm on a fairly good spec machine URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524371/#p524371 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux So, hay again, tripple posting, sorry for that.I used sighted assistance to move between tabs in mate tweak, cause it's not accessible, or maybe i don't no about something?How to use mouse with orca like in nvda?Or how to move between those tabs in tweak mate?Regards. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524358/#p524358 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux #18 So i opened mate tweak, and i have this:Mate tweak frame, desktop icons panelThere is only show desktop icons checkbox, and close button, nothing else.When i press arrow down twice, i am on the close push button.Regards URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524347/#p524347 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux I'll try installing newest mint and tell ya.Thanks for those info, kali is based on debian, so it should work.Mate tweak's accessibility is not perfect, cause when i am using orca i can only access icons on desktop settings.Regards. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524323/#p524323 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux I myself would like to know, has Linux Mint had any accessibility improvements with any of its distro spins at all? Last I remember, installing with Orca works, though after that was done, accessibility was broken. The above was when I tried it last year though... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524260/#p524260 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux @15To change the panel that Ubuntu Mate uses, open the MATE Tweak tool, arrow down Twice, tab till you find the combo box that lists all of the different panel desktop layouts ya can choose from, then space on it. Netbook is among those.After choosing the layout you want from the dropdown, hit space on your choice, then press OKay to save the changes when the dialog for confirming pops up. Finally, hit Alt-C to close the dialog.For most distros (if not all of them), you can technically change the desktop to your liking.@EveryoneAs for the LXDE desktop (besides using it with ADRIANE Knoppix and possibly Debian), I have never used it with any other distro. My favorite lightweight desktop, is XFCE. Now that, has a nice interface!I've installed it using Ubuntu proper and Debian, though I have not tried it with any other distro. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524259/#p524259 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux I tried pressing alt f2 and then typing orca and enter but nothing happens.And i must have kali linux in my daily work, but ubuntu can be in another partition.What do you thing about lubuntu and it's accessibility?How to run it while and after installation?Regards. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524248/#p524248 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux I tried pressing alt f2 and then typing orca and enter but nothing happens.And i must have kali linux in my dily work, but ubuntu can be in another partition.What do you thing about lubuntu and it's accessibility?How to run it while and after installation?Regards. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524248/#p524248 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux LXDE is probably a better option given your netbooks low memory. LXDE is fully accessible, excluding the panel widgets (calendar and such) which Orca tends to get stuck on. I use LXDE on my Arch Linux box (which is this computer -- which also has Windows) and when running nothing super intensive I can get by with under 500 MB of RAM. You can start Orca in LXDE by hitting alt+f2 and just typing orca and pressing enter. You also do *not* need to install Debian; Ubuntu should have LXDE and it should work flawlessly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524226/#p524226 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux I thing KDE plasma needs more resources than my netbook has to offer. Mate is working on it very slowly, so gnome or Kde wis very bad idea for this kind of computers.I can't find this netbook style in mate tweaks and appearance settings, i disabled window positioning and some other related stuff, but don't no how to disable all visual efects to make it more responsible.On what combination of distributions and desktop environments i can experiment yet? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524188/#p524188 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux You would edit the file using either Pluma (if among the Mate environment) or Gedit (if among the GNOME Environment.)As for KDE and Orca, there has been some progress with it:https://userbase.kde.org/Accessibility/PlasmaAlso seehttps://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-accessibilityfor an email group. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524177/#p524177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux #12 On debian wiki is the following:"LXDE and LXQTFor now, orca does not start automatically. The simple workaround is to just drop the "?OnlyShowIn" line in /etc/xdg/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop. Alternatively, LXDE or LXQT can be added at the end of this line."I wanted to do it, but how? I can't force orca to run either on debian or kali, on those 2 systems i have lxde, or maybe i need to install mate on those two distros?And how i can edit this orca-autostart.desktop if i don't have any speech output? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524099/#p524099 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux @11 Among the Mate Tweak Tool or Appearance Settings (I forget which area at the moment), you can change the theme to a Netbook style theme. Alternatively, your best way of getting either LXDE/LXQT or XFCE up and running with Orca speech, is downloading Debian (where the above link takes you to the Debian Accessibility wiki page for installation of the operating system.Alternatively, check out the Slint Distrobution (which also has accessibility out of the box.) See above page for more details. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524089/#p524089 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux @11 Among the Mate Tweak Tool or Appearance Settings (I forget which area at the moment), you can change the theme to a Netbook style theme. Alternatively, your best way of getting either LXDE/LXQT or XFCE up and running with Orca speech, is downloading Debian (where the above link takes you to the Debian Accessibility wiki page for installation of the operating system. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524089/#p524089 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Can i optimize ubuntu mate somehow? this netbook can handle mate environment, but for example, logging in takes lots of time. And that's why i asked about how to turn on accessibility in lxde, cause it only neeeds 196 mb of ram. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524079/#p524079 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Hi there,@8: which installation step do you mean?I have installed Ubuntu 20 just few days ago, and it was completely accessible, no sighted assistance required.There was just one problematic step, with the gnome setup, appearing right after installation, I guess that's what you're writing about.The first screen, with options for logging in to various services such as Google, Microsoft, etc. is quite messed, or at least Orca sees it that way.But after clicking on one of options, it somehow snaps out of it, and everything is just fine, it is not just possible to skip logging in, but also select one of the services, if you want them.I did the clicking part using Nvda's ocr, but random clicking should do the job as well, because there isn't really much other to click on than that dialog. Although even if someone missed this solution, I think missing it isn't actually that bad. Infact, the only things this set up did was offering logging in to those cloud services, what I don't want, then it offered some updating tool if I remember right, which required an account, so I didn't want that either and offered some theme setup.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524013/#p524013 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Thanks, i'll try it as well, now i have 4 systems installed, and they are: lubuntu, debian, kali, and ubuntu mate. And that's true, mate is so easy to use, thanks again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523961/#p523961 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux I would second ubuntu mate.Anything which is mate is accessible.I would recommend mint for being quite accessible.Note I haven't got all of these working but the following desktops should work.With the exception of kde which is not accessible and gnome3 which has a lot of inaccessible stuff in it the following things should work.Mate is the best but xfce lxde and lxqt are supposed to work.Gnome shell, gnome2 classic which is old and unity.A small warning about ubuntu though.There is an iinaccessible installation post step which will need sighted help to get through after that it may just work.Another note.If people want to doodle gnom3 is mostly accessible, but the settings app aint and maybe other stuff won't work.Potentially accessible is ciniman but I never got that started though when I used it with a distro that had it it seemed to have accessability support.For the beginner, mate is easy to install and use, its just like windows, except it has an xp like menu and a windows 7 style search box and menu as well as run etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523957/#p523957 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Some questions about linux Thanks! But... the last thing, How i can run orca in lxde? because i wanna test this environment too but after logging in i can't run it with shortcut and from terminal, i installed debian 10.3 with lxde, cause my netbook has only 1gb ram and intel atom n270, so it can't handle gnome.Reards. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523956/#p523956 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux For those who need additional help from the Ubuntu Mate community staff, seehttps://ubuntu-mate.community/Also seehttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list, for the official Orca screen reader mailing list. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523946/#p523946 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux press alt f2, and write orca URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523943/#p523943 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux How to run accessible installer in ubuntu mate? The standart procedure s and enter is not working, super alt s also. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523941/#p523941 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Thanks :-) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523782/#p523782 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Some questions about linux
Re: Some questions about linux Pretty much Ubuntu Mate for beginners. 1.24 is super easy to use as well, and has a lot of apps as well and comes with easy to use apps URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/523779/#p523779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
