Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover i thot so. that would be nice if/when we get their URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579752/#p579752 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @87that can't happen. Anything putting off enough electromagnetic radiation to make that possible will take out your wi-fi and also pacemakers just for starters.@90The range is effectively a few inches. The idea is that you eventually just buy a desk and you plug the desk in and then everything on the desk can charge, but we're not there yet. But in 10 years, maybe you go to the restaurant and all the tables have power and there's no more cords in your suitcase because the hotel just has magic wireless desks, who knows. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579716/#p579716 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover is that actualy possible though? i have never herd of it. wireless charging yes because its basicly sitting on the thing but what would the range be for that URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579705/#p579705 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover They should just make Bluetooth charging. Just have a Bluetooth docking station, and when you hook up your phone to the dock via Bluetooth, your phone starts charging. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579609/#p579609 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Other phones that folks may wish to check out, are ones from bluproducts.com/, based in Florida. Flossy Carter reviewed the BLU G90 Pro, for around 219 USD. Talkback is on bord, running Android 10. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579606/#p579606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover i'll think about wireless charging when it comes really wireless. for example i walk across the room and my phone is still charging wirelessly URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579604/#p579604 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Seriously, Standard charging is more convinient anyways. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579596/#p579596 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Wireless charging. Yawn. Who needs wireless charging. Use the charger. LOL URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579592/#p579592 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I wouldn't want a plastic phone. No wireless charging URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579465/#p579465 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I've got a Google Pixel 4A on its way, its going to arrive in a few days. Hopefully I like it, I've never used Android before, and I've been with Apple for about 7 years now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579430/#p579430 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I've goto a Google Pixel 4A on its way, its going to arrive in a few days. Hopefully I like it, I've never used Android before, and I've been with Apple for about 7 years now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579430/#p579430 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @81 I even have 256 GB sd card, and I still have no slow down. I do install all of my apps on the internal sd card and use the card for data URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579397/#p579397 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @78, I have a 100 dollar Motorola somewhere that is snappy, but storage will be a real problem, since it is only 32 gb which will be a pain for me having now 128 and adding my 64 gb card will slow the thing down.I can't afford to buy something new either since my android is only 1 year old and I've also upgraded the iPhone in May, admited that was needed from the 6. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579389/#p579389 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @76I've had the same iPhone for almost 5 years now and it still lasts fine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579385/#p579385 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @78Hearing reviews on that phone, it's quite neat! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579379/#p579379 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover hahaha I have a $300 phone and no lag or heat problems here. I am using a Moto G Stylus. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579371/#p579371 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover My phone doesn't even have high performance mode, don't know why.I have a case, but when you don't or it just overheats because of it and you take it off, it scratches soo bad and it is even easy to bend, not like a proper glass phone.I don't know about the a50 s, but when I got mine it could go through 2 days without a problem, now it is a year old and I can charge it 3 times a day with no actual use.Brightness is always at 0, I close apps, I use CSR and what else. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579346/#p579346 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover i bought my phone since a year for $500 and until now it still could carry on for a complete day the all new iphone se 2020 won't be able to last half a day in a year URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579329/#p579329 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I don't understand, my a50s is just fine here though, not sure what you are up to that could cause that much over heating and battery consumtion. my phone could stay around 1 day and a half through normal usage. make sure it's user error first, not the phone itself. having brightness at like 100 percent, 30 running background apps, performence heavy mode, yes, defenatly not the phone's fault. just go with gaming phone if you would like to push that much. agree about the design though, I hate plastic, but I like how smooth the back is. you could also grab a glass case if you want to make it feels like holding an iphone, lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579326/#p579326 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover The Galaxy S10 Lite, the Galaxy S20 FE, and the Galaxy A71, are the Samsung phones I'd go for if you wish not to to spend so much.If you have Amazon Prime, their Alexa Built In Phones lineup may be a good choice to go after. Also, if you're looking for phones with "Adoptable Storage", this XDA Thread hopefully will give ya some phones to look for. NB. Adoptable Storage, is not supported on LG, Samsung, and Pixel/stock Android phones.Also, here's an Android Headlines article which may be of interest. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579293/#p579293 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover The Galaxy S10 Lite, the Galaxy S20 FE, and the Galaxy A71, are the Samsung phones I'd go for if you wish not to to spend so much.If you have Amazon Prime, their Alexa Built In Phones lineup may be a good choice to go after. Also, if you're looking for phones with "Adoptable Storage", this XDA Thread hopefully will give ya some phones to look for. NB. Adoptable Storage, is not supported on LG, Samsung, and Pixel/stock Android phones. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579293/#p579293 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover God lets not even get started on Samsung's new ringtones. I miss my old J6 just because Ice Cream and Over the Horizon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579284/#p579284 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover If you ask me, in the speaker department my mom's s10 plus beats my XR to hell and back, having proper bass at louder volumes and it just doesn't do that screeking or what ever you wanna call it an iPhone does when you turn it up to high.Also, I had midranges before that were great, but now they really seem to go down hil, plastic construction, trash speaker, stupid touch that works if it wants to, overheating and more.Talking about the a series from Samsung that became from a great solution untill the 2019 variants that felt and looked promising and now they disapoint like nothing else.I don't know about other midrange androids since I didn't have anything else, except my Motorola that for 100 dollars can beat my Samsung, except Storage ways and spek ways, but it feels soo much snapier for some reason, well it is easy to find it, the stupid Exinos processor.Even the j4 plus had a Snapdragon, a cheap one, but still could do it's work with no battery drain and no stupid overheating.It was a slow device, but that is the way it was intended, it wasn't advertised as a great phone to begin with. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579276/#p579276 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Hi everyone.I Agree with peoples Idea about the poor quality of android phones. Personally, this is the only thing that made me change my choice for the next phone I'm going to buy. Most android phones in the mid-range price are trash; overheating, lag, sluggish touch screens, stupid speakers, the list goes on. As for flagships, I've used most of samsungs "s" series up to S10, and had experience working with some other high-end devices here and there; non of them felt as snappy as an IPhone to me. I've never owned an IPhone before and my experience with IOS isn't that much, But I've heard about It's limitations and Still I'm gonna try it out. I know I went off topic, but what I want to say is that not all the sluggishness of android phones is because of talkback, sometimes it's the phone itself. Commentary helps make it somewhat better, but not many people know about it and It's a third party app, meaning that fewer people have the chance to use it. Now If huawei, xiaomi or any other Chinese manufacturer could offer CSR pre-installed, it'd be something else.an other thing I don't like in most android phones is their speakers, I haven't been able to find an android phone with decent audio quality yet, the best I've heard was a high-end phone from "LG" and still it wasn't as good as an Iphone 8, or anything higher than that. I might be wrong in this, so I appreciate any other Ideas. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579266/#p579266 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover At least Google TTS can actually pronounce my name correctly, in addition to other words. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579220/#p579220 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover For Natural TTS voices on Android, check out the Vocalizer, Ceroproc, and ReadSpeaker voices on Google Play. Yep? Can't forget good old ESpeak NG and RH Voice.NB. That oice called Eloquence, is no longer on the Play Store do to Code Factory not wishing to update it to 64-bit. If you already purchased it (like myself), it's still available to you and to members in your Google Play Family Library.If Acapela TTS Voices hve "finally" ben fixed (as of September 2020), that my also be a great option. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579195/#p579195 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover For Natural TTS voices on Android, check out the Vocalizer, Ceroproc, and ReadSpeaker voices on Google Play. Yep? Can't forget good old ESpeak NG and RH Voice.NB. That oice called Eloquence, is no longer on the Play Store do to Code Factory not wishing to update it to 64-bit. If you already purchased it (like myself), it's still available to you and to members in your Google Play Family Library.If Acapela TTS Voices hve "finally" ben fixed (s of September 2020), that my also be a great option. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579195/#p579195 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover For Natural TTS voices on Android, check out the Vocalizer, Ceroproc, and ReadSpeaker voices on Google Play. Yep? Can't forget good old ESpeak NG and RH Voice.NB. That oice called Eloquence, is no longer on the Play Store do to Code Factory not wishing to update it to 64-bit. If you already purchased it (like myself), it's still available to you and to members in your Google Play Family Library. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579195/#p579195 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Because that's Google TTS for you. That's how much Google cares. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579196/#p579196 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover For Natural TTS voices on Android, check out the Vocalizer, Ceroproc, and ReadSpeaker voices on Google Play. Yep? Can't forget good old ESpeak NG and RH Voice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579195/#p579195 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover For Natural TTS voices on Android, check out the Vocalizer, Ceroproc, and ReadSpeaker on Google Play. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579195/#p579195 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover iOS just has better synthesizers. But frankly if I had Android I'd start by installing Espeak or Eloquence on it in a hurry, so I'd not say that sounding robotic is necessarily a disadvantage, and third party voices are available at any rate. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579191/#p579191 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover The thing I can't understand is why talkback is robotic, where as voiceover sounds more natural, why is this? Also, which phones would be best for android? I tried my girlfriend's, and it constantly crashes on me and I try the shortcut to activate it, and there are times where it makes a sound like talkback is on, but nothing happens. It would be annoying if talkback crashes and I can't turn it back on in an emergency. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579187/#p579187 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @60 You're welcome!@EveryoneConsidering that you can't even access the Shared Media section on iOS with Telegram? Yeah. People are talking about an IOS app called Nicegram, though even that app's not as good as the Android one. Bright Guide's extremely limiting. There's also BlindGram on Android too, though you'll have to look for the APK. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579147/#p579147 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
2020-10-10
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Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I do love the freedom that comes from moving stuff on an android. I remember bagk on ios I had to do a search for an accessible file transfer program, find another one for my pc, link them both to the same network, make sure everything was going into a folder I could find, transfer everything over and hope that the connection doesn't time out. On my current phone, I just plug it into my pc and drag and drop stuff both ways with no restrictions. As often as ivtransfer data around, android is just tons more convenient for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579131/#p579131 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @60 to be honnest, realibility depends on the phone.When I had my previous android phones, I could count on them all the time comparred to previous iPhones, if I had an important call to do at the end of the day, I would do it on my android since I surely had some battery left, comparred to the iPhones where I most likely had to charge them up in the noon or best case in the evening.I could always be sure I had reception on my Samsungs, no matter which where on my iPhones I didn't and some more stuff I won't continue with since I might make everyone that loves apple jump down my troath.But in the recent days, I can say I counted more on my XR than on my Galaxy a50, just because this phone is pure trash.The battery sucks, the phone heats up all the time, well, 250 apps have to say something about that comparred to my 40 or so on the iPhone, it can get slow when ever it feels like and more than that, it just feels like it could break in my hands because the construction is so poor.If I had a better android, I would count more on it than on my iPhone since they always served me well, but I guess it depends on what we choose because of our budget.I will always have both of these worlds now since it is hard to drop one or the other, but with a decent android phone I know that would always be my main. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579130/#p579130 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover bright guide? the one that you have to pay to send voice messeges? lols. the official telegram app on android has problem too though, not gonna lie, and also I prefer what's app on iphone then on android. still don't see what's the problem of webviews though. I think I could still access web just fine here, in fact I am typing this on my android now. I do agree productivity is better with iphone, but how IOS works really limiting the experience. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579115/#p579115 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @60: I agree. I mean, if my laptop were more portable... I know I know but it's like a 17 inch or something, but I don't know but definitely not like my MacBook, 13 inches, it's just so big! But if it were more portable I'd use it a lot more. I mean, give me Windows 10 on a phone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579112/#p579112 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @58Ah ya beauty! Thank you so much.@59I agree, Android might not be as productive as an iPhone. I can't really explain why I like it more, but tell you what! My Pixel 3 is way more reliable than my wife's iPhone XR. Also, I don't much like using any phone. Give me a computer any day haha. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579094/#p579094 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Of course. And on iOS we have that... Bright Guide... thing. And I seriously hope TalkBack gets a rotor type thing. No freaking menus! That really slows me down, when swiping down or up is essentially a menu and I don't have to then find the menu on screen, find an option and double tap, or swipe left or right and then double tap, hoping focus is moved to the menu and touching the screen doesn't unfocus it. It's a productivity thing for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579072/#p579072 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover For those wanting to find the Talkback Multi-Finger gestures. at this time you need to enable them within Talkback's Developer section.Also, Talkback and Commentary still have the better experience with Telegram (especially when it comes to administering groups.) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579070/#p579070 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover For those wanting to find the Talkback Multi-Finger gestures. at this time you need to enable them within Talkback's Developer section. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579070/#p579070 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover You know, it's because they let the developer of Emacspeak, who has drank his own coolade for too long and doesn't see anything wrong with just using a keyboard or track pad and a bunch of "eyes free" apps, then angle gestures to get around the Accessibility API's and is way too programmer-ish to see that it's crap, handle TalkBack for too long. Then you had Victor and his folks bumble through Android 5 through 10, and now they're getting to the real stuff, the actual changes needed to make things good. So while iOS 14 adds actual AI to VoiceOver to allow it to try its best to understand inaccessible apps, TalkBack is now, supposedly, getting the ability for users to configure multi-finger gestures. I don't think Google have gotten as far as "oh let's define a good set of gestures from the start," yet, but they're doing the best they can guys, I mean it's Google and these underdog developers are doing the best they can and we should all feel so sorry for them and just use Android because it's good enough and if you don't agree you're an Apple employee or something!Look, I care about accessibility from its roots. i care about the correct implementation of things. And TalkBack pausing speech to wait for an angle gesture, and the fact that we've had these limitations on Android, Android itself, not just TalkBack, for Android, shows that Android is simply going to be behind, for a long time, in actual, correct accessibility. I don't care that you can access apps. yeah. Even Ubuntu Touch can do that with whatever it works with, and some one could probably hook up ESpeak to some touch events and make a pseudo screen reader, but that wouldn't be tue accessibility would it? The same thing, to a much lesser extend, could be said about TalkBack and Android's API's. Yes TalkBack allows you to read the screen. Yes, Android Accessibility even has a thing where non-native controls, like QT, or SDL2, or whatever can be made accessible by defining stuff. That's according to [This PPSSPP issue](https://github.com/hrydgard/ppsspp/issues/11696), so maybe that's an advantage. But the screen reader's interaction model determines how productive I can be on a phone. That's what users see when they use the screen reader. And for TalkBack, it's really much slower than with VoiceOver. Could it be better in Android 12, when they have the multi-finger gestures by default? Sure. And maybe that'll fix a lot of the issues we have with TalkBack. But then you have the web view issues talked about plentiffully on the Anatad email list. And people are just like, numb to it. Like they feel like Android is their only option or something. It's really sad. And I'm not saying iOS, or VoiceOver, is perfect. I'm not an Apple fanboy, I just agree with their approaches in mobile accessibility. I'm typing this post on a Windows computer, and I've not touched my MacBook pro in weeks. And do y'all know how much easier it'd be to have an Android phone right now? To get texts, calls, and notifications on my PC? Shoot yeah! I'd love to love Android, as I've said *countless* times on here and elsewhere. But because of my commitment to actual accessibility with a *strong* foundation, I will not choose an Android phone until Google takes it seriously throughout Android. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579063/#p579063 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Supposedly android11's talkback should have multi finger gestures like VO and VA. I'm kinda happy now since i've discovered huawei is pushing MUI11 to P30Lite which is a phone i currently use as my main driver. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579056/#p579056 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @51I honestly don't know what people are talking about with Multi-finger gestures... I've got a pixel 3, and hunting through the possible gestures yields nothing. I'm on Android 11, with the latest security patch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579038/#p579038 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @51Funny you should mention a "recording":https://coolblindtech.com/galaxy-talkba … galaxy-s6/PS. I didn't record that one... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578881/#p578881 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @50, I did. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578860/#p578860 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover VA is based on talkback.. so it's essentially a screen reader that works the same way, just with multifinger gestres because it was specifically made for samsung devices. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578854/#p578854 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover God damn why didn't i pick a pixel3 when i had a chance to. Now i'm stuck on android10 and no multi touch talkback for me i'm going to cry! jLOL. Can someone record how VA works though? I've never heard it in action really. How much differend is it from TB? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578841/#p578841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
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Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover No one has mentioned that you can now swipe between letters on android like on apple devices. You couldn't do that until recently this year. It's useless to me though since I got used to single tap typing, but I would have really loved it after coming off of my ipod. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578831/#p578831 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @48 I know. I'd have Voice Assistant with the Samsung shortcut, and TalkBack would have the standard Droid shortcut URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578827/#p578827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @47 you will have to turn off one screen reader to get the other one working. About Google's own TTS it is a lot faster then using others I have on my phone. For those who have a 64Bit device you have 8 options for voices to use for US english. Google is adding another accessibility feature like apple's sound detection. for more info https://blog.google/products/android/ne … on-android URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578822/#p578822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I've never used it, but I've seen that Voice Assistant rotor. I personally prefer it to TalkBack's system. If I got a Samsung and was able to get Voice Assistant, I'd use that primarily, and just enable TalkBack whenever I needed the braille keyboard URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578807/#p578807 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @haily's indeed correct here. To bring up the control panel, you would press the "Windows" key. As for Commentary's similar control panel, you would press "Alt+M" (as mentioned in post 5). By default, the menu is an up/down style. To make it look more like a control panel, visit Main Menu>Program Settings>Advenace>Collumn Menu. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578791/#p578791 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Oh that URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578772/#p578772 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover no no, we were talking about shine +. Voice assistant doesn't have, nor does it have any need for, a command panel like that of shine, those were different times. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578770/#p578770 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover There is. There's a kinda roter thingy where you swipe up or down with 3 fingers to get navigational shortcuts, and 3 to the left or right to get quick Voice assistant settings like adjusting the speechrate, and turrning on the darkmode, AKA screen curtain. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578769/#p578769 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Perhaps you can still sideload the APK? Of course it doesn't work on non samsung devices but...Angel, I actually did try to do this as well. The kicker for me was the, basically non existent web support. No ability to jump by heading, really clunky command panel... I really don't know how people used this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578743/#p578743 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Now that, is highly weird.Hmmm... Won't know for sure what happens until my S10E gets Android 11. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578657/#p578657 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Hi.So, as I've said, people's decisions to avoid Android were with good reason. However, ever since Android 8, accessibility has come a long way. And someone I talked to on TT said they were on Android 11 but they had Voice Assistant URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578653/#p578653 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Probably wouldn't bank on Harmony OS being accessible beyond providing the open source talkback, if it is even Android-based. Pure OS on the Libre M5 won't be seeing any accessibility untily build touch support into Orca, which, owing to Orca's progress or lack thereof, isn't happening any time soon. IOS and Android it is, for the time being. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578613/#p578613 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I think no need to buy samsung's phones anymore, since voice assistant going away, and we are knowing samsung's exynos loves overheating, and battery drainingwell, this post for europian usersWe know thatSamsung flagships and mid-range come with two processors. a Snapdragon chipset for US versions and Exynoschipsets for the global variants. Samsung has been proud of its capability to manufacture its ownchipsets. Still, it seems that customers aren’t entirely satisfied with these products, and they have already started to sign a petition to stop the company from shipping flagships with different processors in different markets.The reason for this is that some users believe that Samsung devices with Exynoschipsets are “inferior” to the Snapdragon-powered phones. In just a day, nearly 2,300 people signedthe petition, and by the time this post published, the petition had almost reached 7,400 signaturesYou bought a flagship from samsung, 8 month past, battery percentage drops quick? yes, cheaper battery materials, no matter what you do to avoidI used 3 years samsung phones, always experienced with in a half year battery cannot hold charge, so i just tired of their cheap battery quality.and using iphone for my daily driver for nowxiaomi promises 800 battery cycle for their redmi mid-range phones can holdsamsung knows perfect advertizing, I am not going to open here a flame war, go read instead!https://pocketnow.com/apparently-some-u … martphonessigning the petitionhttps://www.change.org/p/samsung-stop-s … nos-phones URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578611/#p578611 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Hmmm...No details about a screen reader yet, unfortunately. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578586/#p578586 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Even in late 2018 or so it was signiicantly better than Talkback in 2014 or so. IMO, Google did a much better job with making TB a usable screenreader, as apposed to something that just made me say fuck it and depend on my eyes and memoryAlso, its quite sad VA will be going away. Probably Samsung's only successful attempt to beat Google software wise. Also off topic, but do you guys think if Harmony OS is released it will be good accessability wise? I'm curious URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578582/#p578582 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Just curious, does anyone still use SHine plus as their daily driver?I've installed it on my android 6 tablet and I can say that it works well, I kinda missed it, even that I still prefer CSR.Also, yeah, talk back is bad and it makes your phone a snail if you don't have stock, but VA or CSR are good alternatives to VO, VA not so much anymore since it is going away, but CSR can even beat it in lots of things, in my opinion.Thinking about it, CSR is made in a way that you can actually experience the way a phone was meant to work since it doesn't delay it on purpose, so if you try an android with CSR you know how snappy, or not it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578581/#p578581 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Even in late 2018 or so it was signiicantly better than Talkback in 2014 or so. IMO, Google did a much better job with making TB a usable screenreader, as apposed to something that just made me say fuck it and depend on my eyes and memory URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578582/#p578582 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover You can always get the latest version of the Commentary screen reader at http://t.me/jieshuochat/under the "Files" section. Sadly, if want to just get updates without joining the group? Either myself or one of us here will need to be grabbed from there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578578/#p578578 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Hi,I'll stop derailing momentarily, I promise. I'm new to Android so love topics like this. I receive my Galaxy Tab S7 Plus today. Any details on that one?And how does one get this commentary screen Reader? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578573/#p578573 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Depending on the device you have, it'll come between Late October/Early December URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578572/#p578572 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Hi,Off-topic slightly, but does anyone know when Android 11 comes to Samsung?Thanks! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578571/#p578571 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover i take back my statement about csr. i was doing what i hate which is judging the program by my previous experiences which are outdated by now. i'm sorry, now that i just downloaded it and started using it it's certainly better than talk back URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578557/#p578557 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover People think Android is less accessible because let's face it. If you aren't tech savvy, 15 minutes on IOS is a lot easier to get into and a lot more pleasant than 15 minutes on an Android device. The fact that Android devices generally have more sensative screens and actually require more precision is a negative to some who see the controls as clunky or not too solid. But spend enough time with both, and you quickly come to realize that they are both equally as good, they simply require a different approach. Right out of the box IOS is set up more accessibly, where Android requires some tweeking to get it the way you like it. It's 2020, people. We aren't back in the early days when Android lagged behind. Even in 2017, the distance was much smaller than some people made it out to be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578549/#p578549 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @27 I do use them quite a bit when navagating around to different areas around the user interface URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578545/#p578545 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Meatbag,Talkback does, in fact, lag far behind commentary, intentionally so. Basically, when you perform a gesture with talkback, it gives you about 150 ms or so of lag to account for the angular gestures, which, btw, is actually rather unnecessary for people like me who are quick with our fingers. Shine + has a similar thing, the difference being that you can disable it.Oh and, btw, you clearly know next to nothing about TTS if you think that that argument made even a little bit of logical sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578539/#p578539 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Meatbag,Talkback does, in fact, lag far behind commentary, intentionally so. Basically, when you perform a gesture with talkback, it gives you about 150 ms or so of lag to account for the angular gestures, which, btw, is actually rather unnecessary for people like me who are quick with our fingers. Shine + has a similar thing, the difference being that you can disable it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578539/#p578539 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover android's accessibility is quickly improving. people are judging android by their views from 2017 or 2018. i am not generalizing so if you are not doing that i am sorry and this post not meant to you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578534/#p578534 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover that is proof for you URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578532/#p578532 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover CommentaryThe following below keyboard shortcuts, are from the custom hot key settings section of the actions menu of the program settings menu in the latest commentary screen reader program. These keyboard commands, or available in both free and premium versions.CTRL+DPAD_UP: Previous focusable elementCTRL+DPAD_DOWN: Next focusable elementCTRL+DPAD_LEFT: Left shortcutCTRL+DPAD_RIGHT: Right shortcutCTRL+PAGE_UP: Scroll upCTRL+PAGE_DOWN: Scroll downCTRL+H: Home screenCTRL+N: Notification cneterCTRL+P: Recent applicationsCTRL+SPACE: ClickCTRL+L: ClickCTRL+Q: Quick settingsALT+M: Global menuALT+A: Action menuALT+P: ExtensionsALT+T: ToolsALT+V: Voice assistantALT+S: Split editingALT+L: List browsingThe Deal With Voice Assistant And Android 11From https://www.xda-developers.com/one-ui-3 … 11-update/ :"Voice Assistant has been replaced by Talkback to provide a better experience. You can perform the actions like improved Quick menu using multi-finger gestures with Talkback." URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578527/#p578527 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @Haily Merry.To add to things that was recently added, Remember how you always hear people compaining about typing on android devices? Well, now, on the samsung keyyboard, you can swipe to the next and previous charactor, like on an iPhone, and it still has one-tap functionality. And 13, have you picked up an android device within the last year oor so? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578508/#p578508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Better queston: Why do people think that Android is an inaccessible shitdump and why Apple is the best when it comes to accessability? Sure droid has its kinks, but its not nearly as bad as people paint it out to be. BTW, I woldn't compare TB/Voice assistant to narrartor. That would be an insult to TB And VA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578505/#p578505 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @17Everyone tries to give Google a pass on this, but their rate of progress is literally 10 times slower than it should be, and we still have really bad dumpster fires like Google Docs, that are almost universally hated.Just because someone is advancing doesn't mean they care. There is a minimum that you have to do. Google does that minimum. Mind you, these days, Apple also seems to have decided to do the minimum as well, being as Voiceover is going slowly downhill, sure, but that doesn't invalidate the point about Google. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578496/#p578496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover no, I am not saying give us a free reader, I said that you can not compare a free screanreader with a one that you have to pay to be better, I will actually pay for csr some days later URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578483/#p578483 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover So apparently I'm behind the times... Googling seems to indicate that Jieshuo and CSR (Commentary Screen Reader) are the same thing. The play store seems to think it's not installable from the playstore.What's with all of that? If it's better than Talkback (and sorry Meatbag, the fact that you personally don't want to shell out cash doesn't convince me otherwise), I'd like to at least give it a go. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578480/#p578480 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover no, csr is not faster than talkback, it gives you the empretion it is because it do not silents the speech when you start a gestuir but instead it overwrites the current speech with the new speech when it comes, talkback silents the speech as soon as you start a gestuir so you think that csr is almost instentanioce, and no, csr is not the NVDA of android, we said that to shine+ and... it dont have keybord shortcuts URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578474/#p578474 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover no, csr is not faster than talkback, it gives you the empretion it is because it do not silents the speech when you start a gestuir but instead it overwrites the current speech with the new speech when it comes, talkback silents the speech as soon as you start a gestuir so you think that csr is almost instentanioce, and no, csr is not the NVDA of android, we said that to shine+ and... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578474/#p578474 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Uh, no. No they're really not.Commentary is way faster. Commentary allows customisation of pretty much everything, even without premium, with a few exceptions such as TTS voices. CSR allows you to create your own sound themes. CSR can be used along side, say, SBK or some other braille keyboard, without having to be disabled or suspended first. CSR has a far, far more advanced rotor, with far more options. Apparently, the premium version of CSR also has multi finger gestures, though I've certainly not found them.With the premium version you have OCR, the ability to have commentary use a separate TTS engine than the system default, and also have a secondary TTS engine for notifications, and probably a lot more I'm forgetting.So no, even if you use the free version of CSR, it still has a lot of advantages over talkback.I'd say the screenreader landscape now is almost identical to that of windows. CSR is, in my eyes, very much the rising NVDA of the android world. It has a long way to go, sure, but it's getting there.. And it has a lot of potential.As for google not caring about accessibility? Yeah no. In the past year alone we've gotten integrated braille screen input and multi finger gestures, with, apparently, a lot more on the way. Google just have a lot of other priorities, much like microsoft.Oh, and please, don't play the drinking game with how many times I said CSR in this post. Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578462/#p578462 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover CSR as long as it's paid for this high price won't actually be a competition. because the free version of CSR have pretty much the same functionality as TalkBack so unless you want to pay, CSR and talkback are the same URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578439/#p578439 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover CSR as long as it's paid for this high price won't actually be a competition. because the free version of CSR have pretty much the same functionality as TalkBack so unless you want to pay, CSR and talkback are the same URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578438/#p578438 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover What? They’re going to replace voice assistant? No! That’s freaking bullshit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578426/#p578426 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Well? Let's clear up a few things.The first touch screen software, was Mobile Speak Pocket from Code Factory, sometime around 2003. Among that time there was also the PacMate from Freedomscientific.As of Android 11, Voice Assistant (formally called Galaxy Talkback in its early days) from Samsung will be replaced by Google's own Talkback (because of said new Multi-Finger Gestures.) Search around in Samsung's OneUI 3.0 changelog if you're curious.Need I forget, Mobile Accessibility from Code Factory? Nah, not the original one from 2001 (which was a basic screen reader for Nokia phones), but the one from 2011 on Android devices.Many AT podcasts are still around as archives from back in the day... The Code Factory podcast is still here for example, thanks to Apple Music for keeping it up since its last episode from long ago. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578423/#p578423 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover google dont cares about accessibility.they just doing that because USA lafs, they dont want just pay for dont making accessibility URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578407/#p578407 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Yet there is Jieshuo on Android. Now we have a situation like Narrator V.S> JAWS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578401/#p578401 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I would like to point out that Talkback is beata testing multy finger gestures so yes it is improving. It comes down to the device you want. Voiceover isn't flawless either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578385/#p578385 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover no. i found a phone for the blind. something like the capcsmartvision 2 or something like that. not a market but that phone is a thing URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578378/#p578378 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover I suspect one reason for Apple putting more in to it is the use of IPads in education. though I'm unsure how often they are still used vS. Chromebooks. Anyone got any data on that? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578367/#p578367 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover @7There is no blind market. Our preferences in phones make zero difference to anyone from the perspective of money. What there is is a "we need to meet legal regulations" market. Those people don't care if we like it, they only care if it meets the regulations, and after that the primary consideration is cost. Google has gone exactly as far as they have to to satisfy those people across all of their projects, and now doesn't need to really try to improve.This has nothing to do with Voiceover being first and cornering the market. It's us getting lucky and Apple deciding to put effort in for no reason other than them wanting to. Nothing less, nothing more, and they could very well stop tomorrow. Neither Apple nor Google cares if blind people buy their phones. It just boils down to if whoever is in charge of "this is the thing that doesn't make us money, how much resources should it get" likes us, and whether or not they got lucky and got people who cared/have talent/get it on the right team. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578366/#p578366 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover It comes down to three things; maturity, popularity and attitude. VoiceOver was first out the gate on a touch screen phone, so they cornered the blind market from an early period in time. They therefore have had more time to improve and add features as well. They, being iOS, have also garnered more feedback as a result of having more users and more apps are created with the blind in mind on the platform. The big thing though is attitude. You get the feeling that Google created Talkback as a response rather than a need, and it shows in its design and implimentation. It's not treated as importantly as the other features of the operating system, and to me feels like something separate. On iOS, VoiceOver feels less of an afterthought and more of something considered while development takes place...although that has decreased in the last two versions of iOS in my view. With Talkback, it feels as if it's just there and they don't really care much about it. I would add that I use both Android and iOS, so I feel I have no biased view. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578355/#p578355 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover their is a phone for the blind if you realy realy realy need it. idk what it is but its a thing URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578349/#p578349 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
2020-10-07
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Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Yeah, its really not as simple as that. I'm not using tb right now because typing is a pain with it, but samsung's voice assistance woeks great. However i think samsung's tts is not as great and it has crashed on me once this year, so i use google's tts, which is crisp, clear and reliable.I think the ptoblem with global acccessibulity is that one OS update has the potential to break everything, and there is no third party solution to use as a workaround. For example, iOS 14 came out and then i saw a bunch of whining from kids on dice world on how it vroke the game for them. When the recent release of android made typing clunky with talkback, i switched to voice assistant. Had to learn a new system, but the problem was solved, and i still switch between the 2 depending on my needs. Unfortunately, you cannot get that kind of experience from a 15 minute hands on session, so i hope you find this perspective helpful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578336/#p578336 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover
Re: Why isn't talkback improved, or as good as voiceover Google doesn't make all Android devices, so the experience is going to be a little different depending on the maker and how good the device is. I can tell you that if you use Google's TTS instead of the default one that comes on Samsung devices and use a good device, then they are equal. Talkback is better at some things, Voice Over better at some others. Try the experience on a Pixel for the most one to one comparison, since Google controls the hardware and operating system in that case. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578326/#p578326 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
