[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Toslink cable test
rajacat;152597 Wrote: I studied Classical guitar for 10 years and definitely agree that there is a clear difference between a rosewood sound box, such as my Ramirez had, and the spruce used in most flamenco guitars. I doubt that any luthiers use measurements and numbers to predetermine what SQ would emanate from the end product. They use their ears for the final judgment. Various woods are also used in speaker construction and will very subtly influence SQ. Ultimately most speaker builders also use their ears because numbers don't tell all. Stradivarius violins are still the best despite being built before there were any accurate measuring instruments. Harbeth speakers use tuned cabinets and I imagine the builders use trial and error to determine the final product. It would be hard to come up with measurements subtle enough to predict exactly how the end product will sound. ABX testing puts an unnatural stress on the participants thereby influencing their mood and hearing. I think that you have to live with almost any upgrade before you can accurately judge it. Another fallacy with A/B or ABX is that if more than a very short time passes (less than a second?) we are about as likely to be unable to compare A to B as if we did long live with tests. However the live with test enables us to discover things that no quick A/B can reveal, such as stress induced by distortion (which might even sound nice and flattering to the recording in a quick A/B). I believe that only portions of our auditory processing is available for consious analysis, which is why we often fail to judge quality when we switch our critical analytical mind into gear. Music and its quality affects us much more emotionally and subconsiously. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29353 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Just back from the London What HiFi Show
There is an inevitable convergance of video and audio. However, One way to think of the value of video out is not just to play DVD rips and other video material but simply to output the already GOOD display to an LCD or plasma (that many people also have in their listening rooms) = a GREAT display of useful information. This has been done with SlimRoku but requires wired in my experience and then not 100% successfully. For those pure audiophiles who hate video, as you know, many high end AV products go to great lengths to seperate or isolate to video processing to avoid audio degredation. Please look at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=16361highlight=slimroku before deciding video output is useless. If you really believe all visual material is redundant are you petitioning SD to remove the displays from SB3 and transporters? No. My point is some visual material is good, the OPTION of more is likely to be even better for SOME users. -- ajmitchell Last FM: http://www.last.fm/user/ajmitchell/ ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29378 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Yet another amplifier question.
Hi guys, This is my first post to the forum so go easy. I'm looking for an amp to complete my setup. I'm using a SD Transporter (playing FLAC) as the source with a pair of Paradigm Reference 100 V.3 speakers. I was going to go with a Lavry DA10, but apparently the onboard DAC of the Trasnporter is decent. Any suggestions for an amp would be much appreciated. My budget is around $2500 for the amp. The room is about 800 sq. ft. When is or isn't a preamp necessary? Thanks guys, Sam Berkeley, CA -- sam500 sam500's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29411 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Digital loop-through on Transporter?
Yes, I had presumed digital switching and passthrough would have been included. I wanted to convert an optical input to coaxial digital out as part of a whole house digital distrubtion. As it happens I can do this already with an ancient audiolab DAC, but I needed another unit. Oh well, hope this gets added soon if at all possible. -- ajmitchell Check out my other hobby http://ajmitchell.shutterpoint.com ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29056 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Yet another amplifier question.
There are literally hundreds (thousands?) of amps out there, and what is best for you is very depenent on your personal tastes. So I would recommend that you hit a few local audio stores and listen to a few different setups (or better yet, if you have friends who are into this stuff, listen to their systems)...then ask this question again after giving some thoughts as to what you liked and what you didn't like. Some basic questions: - Are you interested in tubes (and all the accompanying costs and maintenance)? Or just solid state/class D? - What kind of music do you like? - What kind of volume to you usually listen? Preamps are necessary if you have more than one non-digital source (eg. a tuner or a turntable) where you can't use the Transporter to select sources, or if you get an amp that has a low input sensitivity (and need the preamp gain to really drive the amp the way it was designed to be driven). -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29411 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Yet another amplifier question.
I will be hitting the local shops, but there I'll be restricted to the amps they have available to listen to. Any amps generally considered to be outstanding in my price range will give me a good place to start listening looking. Any suggestions? In answer to your points: Tubes don't particularly interest me. From what I've read it seems to get a really good quality tube amp, in general, costs bigger bucks than the solid state. I listen to loud hard rock/heavy metal music (80's hair metal mostly) and not-so-loud clssical. I guess that's two extremes. :) -- sam500 sam500's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29411 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Yet another amplifier question.
I would go for the flying moles (yes, that's their name!). I recently heard a setup with SB3 fed into a Benchmark DAC1 driving the amps directly. Incredible accurate and natural sounding. If my Goldmund Mimesis 6 was not in so good a condition I would be tempted to go for those moles. http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue17/flyingmoledadm100.htm -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29411 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Yet another amplifier question.
PaulB;152643 Wrote: My take on preamps is different from that of Phil (see above). I used to think the same about preamps: just a switching device and a volume control, even though more than once I heard about the need for matching impedance between amps and sources. For the record, this is not what I think of preamps. My comment above was regarding when a preamp is necessary...for me personally, I am solidly in the camp that strongly prefers a good preamp in a system because of how it affects the sound. In my personal experience, I have found that with only minor exception, adding a good preamp to a system adds a great deal to the spacial-cues in a system's sonic presentation, and more often than not, adds a level of refinement to the sound that I strongly prefer. This has been true in my own system, where my Blue Circle amp's low input sensitivity really likes the higher output of a preamp, as well as in my experiences with systems using amps with higher sensitivity, such as Bryston, Pass Labs, Odessey, and my own Bel Canto-based system. Having said that, I know more than one person who has heard my system using the Transporter directly to my amps that prefers it without a preamp...so it's very much a personal taste thing... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29411 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Will Transporter support video?
Mark Wrote: Personally I have no idea why the whole world is fascinated with video. Well. Wasn't it nice to have music stream from a different room and get the best quality from the CD ripping? Now, isn't it also good to have video streaming from a different and get the best quality picture from the same box? -- ackcheng ackcheng's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29362 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Codec Question: Which is Better Apple or LAME = 320kbs
Why don't you just listen for yourself? Do you really need other people to tell you which sounds better, when you have the ability to do this test for yourself? FWIW, just go with lossless, whether it's Apple, FLAC, WAV, doesn't matter. You'll sleep better knowing that your files are bit perfect (as people love to say around here). -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 vs Rotel rcd 1072
Compared my totally unmodified SB2 to a Rotel rcd 1072: http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rcd1072.htm. The Rotel sounds real nice, mid/high is much more open, transparent. The SB2 sounds kind of muddy compared to the Rotel. So the question is... What should I do with the SB2 to bring it up to or past the level of the Rotel? I've been looking at the Bolder mods, which ones would make sense? I'm thinking about the analog only mods, or should I do the digital mods too, just in case? There's a range of mods, going up in price from $200 to $465, which ones make sense? http://www.boldercables.com/servlet/Detail?no=300 Or should I just go for a Transporter? hints, tips, suggestions, flames are welcomed ;-) jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can CD quality be achieved with Internet Radio and SB3?
Can anyone help with what I am sure is quite a basic question? I recently bought an SB3 purely to take advantage of the vast array of content available on Internet radio, particularly for Jazz which has very little to offer on DAB or FM. I was impressed by the quality of sound that could be achieved via Internet radio when I tried it through my computer recording audio interface and studio monitors, and bought SD3 to use with my hi fi system. I have to say I am disappointed with SB3 through my HiFi system and wonder what else could be done to improve it. I realise that the DAC in SB3 is not going to be as good as my CD player but how do the internet radio streams that are sent to a DAC compare with what a CD transport would send, that is, if the Internet radio is streamed at 128KBps, what will the CD transport 'stream' it at?? Thanks. -- marco1 marco1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Toslink cable test
tomjtx;152691 Wrote: I think there is a fallacy in that reasoning. A study of the effectiveness of a drug doesn't rely on the psychological state of the subject(excluding drugs for depression etc.) That's not true - the placebo effect is important in all trials, not just those for psychoactive drugs, which is the reason they must always be controlled with placebo as well as double-blinded. Nor is it a test where the subject himself has to choose the drug which works best according to how the subject perceives the effects of said drug. To question ABX applied to audio does not mean questioning ABX in medical testing. Let's compare apples to apples. The subjects of those trials know they are being subjected to a blind test. If blinditis existed it would mean we couldn't trust the results of those trials, since people might react differently when taking the drug under non-trial conditions. It's your logic, not mine. Anyway, you didn't respond to any of my other points... the fact is, it's a pretty silly hypothesis that there could be some psychological effect which only exists during blind trials, and if it is the case, it means we should expect many other such effects which would make any comparison or test useless. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29353 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 vs Rotel rcd 1072
I will be auditioning a fully modded SB with WAyne's 750.00 PSU. I should get it around Nov. 17th and wil have it at least a week to compare it to my TP(1 month old by then) I've already compared my SB3/modded elpac to the TP and found the TP to be better by a pretty significant margin. I'll post my impressions of the full Bolder mods/UltimatePSU around the end of Nov -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 vs Rotel rcd 1072
Cool, I'm looking forward to that! I would never consider the $750 PSU though...jan ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Toslink cable test
opaqueice;152697 Wrote: That's not true - the placebo effect is important in all trials, not just those for psychoactive drugs, which is the reason they must always be controlled with placebo as well as double-blinded. The subjects of those trials know they are being subjected to a blind test. If blinditis existed it would mean we couldn't trust the results of those trials, since people might react differently when taking the drug under non-trial conditions. It's your logic, not mine. No, that wasn't my logic, see below Anyway, you didn't respond to any of my other points... the fact is, it's a pretty silly hypothesis that there could be some psychological effect which only exists during blind trials, and if it is the case, it means we should expect many other such effects which would make any comparison or test useless. OK, i was refering to a test of antibiotics or cholesterol drugs , for example. The results can be determined by blood tests, the cholesterol is lower or not, the infection is gone or not. It is irrelevant if the subject says he feels better(the placebo effect) in these tests. So blinditis would not invalidate those tests. I never said that there would only be a psychological effect in blind trials. Any number of factors could affect the hearing performance of the testee. The pressure of the test itself can affect listener performance, and that does not repudiate medical testing which doesn't rely on the subjects subjective assessment. I will ask some colleagues if there are any studies on ear training tests. ie. whether a graded test gives different scores than an ungraded test. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29353 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Will Transporter support video?
ackcheng;152681 Wrote: Now, isn't it also good to have video streaming from a different and get the best quality picture from the same box? Not really. I don't play video on my PC. Well, low-quality snippets of stuff, but that's it. I suppose the need might be there if I downloaded or ripped movies, but I don't. Note I said personally. A lot of others like yourself seem to want it/like it, and I guess I can see the interest in doing for video what the Squeezebox/Transporter does for audio. But for what I use my PC for, it doesn't fit. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29362 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Can CD quality be achieved with Internet Radio and SB3?
marco1;152687 Wrote: I realise that the DAC in SB3 is not going to be as good as my CD player Actually that's probably not the case unless your CD player costs over $500. What's more likely happened is that the Squeezebox and your stereo system are more revealing than your computer audio setup and you suddenly are aware of the shortcomings of 128 kbps compressed, streamed audio. but how do the internet radio streams that are sent to a DAC compare with what a CD transport would send, that is, if the Internet radio is streamed at 128KBps, what will the CD transport 'stream' it at?? CD quality is a fuzzy term marketers use because it can mean anything. A standard CD contains data encoded at 1440 kilobits per second. So when you hear a 128 kbps stream, it cannot possibly be comparable to CD quality at 1440 kbps as over 90% of the bits have been discarded. True CD quality is either achieved with WAV playback, which is both lossless and uncompressed at 1440 kbps, or lossless compressed like FLAC at around 1000 kbps. With a lossy format like MP3, you've lost data which you may be able to perceive. It's harder to notice at higher bitrates like 320 kbps or 256 kbps than at lower bitrates like 128 kbps. So, try ripping a CD or two into WAV or FLAC, see here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToRipping WAV or FLAC should be comparable to sound coming out of your CD player. Most people find that the Squeezebox is better. But if it still sounds bad to you, come back here because something is wrong. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Toslink cable test
opaqueice;152710 Wrote: Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure there is *always* a placebo control, even in those tests. Don't underestimate the power of psychology - taking a sugar pill and believing it is a cholsterol lowering drug may actually lower your cholesterol... and even if it doesn't, it's better to remove the possibility by controlling for it. I'm sure if you feel under pressure it will affect your performance, although I'm not sure whether it will decrease it or actually enhance it. It would be interesting to find out. Suppose we ran a blind trial on digital cables and got a null result (no significant differences). I think I can summarize things like this: Hypothesis 1: there is a condition, blinditis, which affects people only while they undergo blind tests, which causes them to think they can hear the same difference they heard while not being tested, when in fact they can't, and therefore they fail (meaning their choices are consistent with random) the test. Hypothesis 2: the differences between cables are too small to be perceptible. Occam's razor applies in this situation, I think... I can't really disagree. I think I have to claim agnosticism in this situation(the ultimate cop-out? :-) I really only wanted to point to the possbilty that blind tests might possibly have some flaws with regard to audio testing: that they might not provide us with a definitive answer as to what gear we are going to enjoy the most or think is better. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29353 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Can CD quality be achieved with Internet Radio and SB3?
Internet radio will not approach CD quality but many stations give you choice of encoding. The quality of a stream depends not just on speed but also how it is encoded. Supposedly a 48kbps/sec AACplus stream is as good as FM and 128kbit/sec MP3 - so speed isn't everything but it helps. Usually higher speed streams have an associated subscription. Picks a station with multiple streams and do a comparison test of the different formats say with a www.Sky.FM or a www.Somafm.com station. You can get AACplus to work by having Slimserver transcode (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AACplus) and there are a few higher speed AACplus which say their 96kbit/s or 128Kbits stream is CD quality. The web site www.tuner2.com has -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Codec Question: Which is Better Apple or LAME = 320kbs
Well thanks for the opinion that I should rip lossless, I did not feel I had to launch into a long explanation of why I keep TWO servers one with lossless for home audio and a second synched with ipod which also serves as a multiperson server and this has many time more tracks and hence need to be lossy. Yes I know lossless sounds better, I have posted this myself many times, but that was not my question if you re-read it carefully. The opinion that I should decide for myself is fine except there is clearly a vary narrow difference, but if the overall opinion is that one is superior for this or other reasons I would tend to favour that.especially as this difference may becomne more pronounced with time. -- ajmitchell Check out my other hobby http://ajmitchell.shutterpoint.com ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Codec Question: Which is Better Apple or LAME = 320kbs
The point is that if you care enough to worry about .01% differences, then you should be using lossless anyway. As time goes on, memory only gets cheaper, and bandwidth faster, so the arguments for lossy diminish even further. If you want a lossy format, I'd go with LAME. It's the best, period. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29409 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Digital Inputs
Its in the main menu in the transporter but not on the remote -- ajmitchell Check out my other hobby http://ajmitchell.shutterpoint.com ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28625 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Digital Inputs
Its in the main menu in the transporter but not on the remote (main menu digital input 1 of 4) -- ajmitchell Check out my other hobby http://ajmitchell.shutterpoint.com ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28625 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Toslink cable test
Differences between digital cables of varying quality/type are very easily discernible. I dont know with what 'coax/toslink' opaqueice did not find differences. The forum also needs to know his/her setup. If you cannot hear differences in jitter in a digital playback setup. One will be unnecessarily chasing after other things in the chain to improve bass/treble etc. In my experience, jitter is what separates digital playback from analog. Note, I only have an 'ordinary' analog setup and it is not my primary means of playback. But I can easily tell that analog playback is superior to 'run-of-the-mill' digital playback systems. After hearing the low jitter SB3 compared to my previous CD player. I can now believe when people with high-end digital playback systems claim that digital is equal or even better than analog. I ran a MSB Link Dac for 2 years with a cheap toslink, because as a CS/EE I thought digital is digital and cannot make a difference. My chance, I tried a different digital cable and heard a difference. Later, I read about jitter and found the explanation. First, recognize a phenomenon and then look for an explanation. Ofcourse, you can try ABX and all that, but this jitter differences between cables should be too obvious. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29353 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Toslink cable test
In my opinion cables can make a difference especially in a system capable of hight resolution. Last night I substituted some pure silver speaker jumpers in my Omega Super 3 Bipoles for the stock copper wire jumpers in my continual quest for even better sound quality. Much to my surprise I preferred the stock copper wire jumpers to the silver ones. The difference in SQ was not subtle. The silver jumpers were detailed in the extreme and the high frequencies were very harsh and unnatural to my ears. I did not conduct a blind test but I'm sure that anyone would perceive the difference because it was like listening to two different speakers. -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29353 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Toslink cable test
The contacts were very clean. Contacts do make a difference but following the same logic, if contacts can make a difference so should cables especially if they are of different metals. It's easy to turn that logic around. BTW have you tried any of the contact enhancers such as http://www.xtremecables.com/quicksilver.php?PHPSESSID=94137ee0f3eb71a5b525eca7a3799f77 Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29353 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 vs Rotel rcd 1072
jmourik;152690 Wrote: The Rotel sounds real nice, mid/high is much more open, transparent. The SB2 sounds kind of muddy compared to the Rotel. I'm having the same issues. I've had my SB3 for a month now, and it is leagues behind my Shanling - not really suitable for critical listening. Great for the kitchen system. (That's not an insult - it's a nice kitchen system!) I'll be getting it installed into my mains conditioning system - a surprisingly complex task for reasons too long to go into here :) It may be part of the problem that it is being fed by a different mains source; not sure but I'll eliminate it soon. I am toying with getting a Derek Shek DAC (the d2), to see if this helps. Any other ideas people come up with would be welcome! Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Can CD quality be achieved with Internet Radio and SB3?
marco1;152687 Wrote: Can anyone help with what I am sure is quite a basic question? I recently bought an SB3 purely to take advantage of the vast array of content available on Internet radio, particularly for Jazz which has very little to offer on DAB or FM. I was impressed by the quality of sound that could be achieved via Internet radio when I tried it through my computer recording audio interface and studio monitors, and bought SD3 to use with my hi fi system. I have to say I am disappointed with SB3 through my HiFi system and wonder what else could be done to improve it. I realise that the DAC in SB3 is not going to be as good as my CD player but how do the internet radio streams that are sent to a DAC compare with what a CD transport would send, that is, if the Internet radio is streamed at 128KBps, what will the CD transport 'stream' it at?? Thanks. Do a search on SB3 volume ctrl either digital or analog mode and how you hookup to your hifi, this will greatly affect sound quality. In my setup SB3ext DAC Internet radio @ 128k sounds great -- empty99 empty99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3488 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29416 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)
Have you listened to a fully modded SB? -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Just back from the London What HiFi Show
NigelC;152766 Wrote: Did you get the free SB3 with the Transporter? The free SB3 offer was still in force. Paul said that it would stay until the end of the week. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29378 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)
rplert;152787 Wrote: The Transporter, however, is another matter. I have to listen very carefully to discern any difference between it and my physical players and even then I can't be sure if it is me or the players. And while I certainly haven't heard them all I have not heard a $2000 CD player that competes with the Transporter. I agree, *Tranporter* is the way to go if it comes to sound quality. It beats my Opera Droplet CD player, no doubt. -- Manelus Manelus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)
I recently put together a very nice system around ARC tube electronics and the SB3+custom linear PS with a DAC-60 tube DAC sounds very good indeed. So good, I decided not to invest in a transporter and get a VPI Scout with a Benz Glider instead. I got rid of my SACD player and will soon put all my high-rez discs up for sale. +---+ |Filename: new system for sb forums.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1948| +---+ -- crooner crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Here is my latest bedroom system :-) SB3 with custom linear power supply. Lite Audio DAC-60 tube output 24 bit DAC. VPI Scout with Benz Glider M2 cartridge Audio Research PH3 phono preamp Audio Research SP16L tube preamp Audio Research VS110 tube power amp Vandersteen 2Ce signatures Vandersteen 2W powered sub +---+ |Filename: new system sb3 forums 2.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1949| +---+ -- crooner crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any fellows SB3er using Icepower class D w/ BW speakers ?
And which amps before the switch? Much appreciated. -- empty99 empty99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3488 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
